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Goose99	Posted - 2010.09.13 19:52:00 - [91] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 13/09/2010 19:34:21 Originally by: Goose99 This whine is weak. From "RP perspective," Concord wouldn't be all powerful, but at the same time, you'd be refused docking from all highsec stations, all your assets in station seized, your wallet account frozen, services such as insurance and market cut off, jumpgates locked, concord hunting you until you're podded, and then you're gone for good because they locked out your clone in their station. This ridiculous "RP perspective" doesn't work in a viable game. Supporting some minor Concord fixes aimed at filling loopholes in order to restore existing intended game mechanics back into working order. Unless we do 90% of the work in empires internal wars and piracy control, meaning we are a neccesity. you also asume Concord has any control over stations not owned by their corp or Empire Stargates. Pirates and NPC Pirates seem to get in just fine where is that jump gate locking ability! Concord has no control over our clones if we move clones to null sec stations or even Lo sec stations. That is why they keep us in fighting through kill rights, agression timers and wars. You over estimate there influence, go read some cronicles to see how much power they really have. If they have no control over gates or anything else, how does timer work? And what about concord-sov systems? In any case, enough of this rp rubbish, it's silly. Clearly, rp is ample justification to make mechanics for your own amusement, right? Internet spaceships is not a game, it doesn't need viable game mechanics.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.13 19:58:00 - [92] Originally by: Goose99 If they have no control over gates or anything else, how does timer work? And what about concord-sov systems? In any case, enough of this rp rubbish, it's silly. Clearly, rp is ample justification to make mechanics for your own amusement, right? Internet spaceships is not a game, it doesn't need viable game mechanics. Then who cares. They destroy the ship shooting at you so where is the arguement, that you don't get your stuff back? You know what game you get your stuff back in... WOW! you shoud gb2 it! -- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist
Jones Bones Heretic Army	Posted - 2010.09.13 20:43:00 - [93] Tengu Loss Cause I'm bored at work.... That fit has 17k ehp...with no mods fit. The highest alpha I can get out of that Apoc is 12k. So in theory, I guess it could work. 1. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. 2. Refer to step 1.
Goose99	Posted - 2010.09.13 20:45:00 - [94] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Goose99 If they have no control over gates or anything else, how does timer work? And what about concord-sov systems? In any case, enough of this rp rubbish, it's silly. Clearly, rp is ample justification to make mechanics for your own amusement, right? Internet spaceships is not a game, it doesn't need viable game mechanics. Then who cares. They destroy the ship shooting at you so where is the arguement, that you don't get your stuff back? You know what game you get your stuff back in... WOW! you shoud gb2 it! Because it's highsec. No reason to go to lowsec when you can shoot in insured ships with no isk loss in highsec. Game mechanics designed to restricting pew-pew to wardecs and low/null sec should have its loophole filled to restore its original intended function.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.13 20:47:00 - [95] Originally by: Goose99 Because it's highsec. No reason to go to lowsec when you can shoot in insured ships with no isk loss in highsec. Game mechanics designed to restricting pew-pew to wardecs and low/null sec should have its loophole filled to restore its original intended function. Umm CCP is fine with suicide ganks! Don't fly what you can not afford to loose mods included! -- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.09.14 00:57:00 - [96] Originally by: Goose99 The reason suicide ganking is considered broken is because you can't just shoot the gankers first Wait wot?? Suicide ganking is considered broken because you cant kill people before they do anything?? Did you really just write that? You are correct, if you wish to shoot people first then go to lowsec or 0.0, if you wish to shoot people first in highsec then guess what, you are a suicide ganker. Replying to threads without reading them since 2008
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2010.09.14 03:20:00 - [97] As best I can tell, here is the followup lossmail on the Artillerypoc that did the ganking. 8x 1400mm Howitzer IIs, 4 Sebos with scan resolution scripts, 4 gyrostabs, 3 tracking enhancers, and 2 targeting rigs. Assuming all V skills and Republic Fleet Emp L ammo, it has an alpha strike of ~11600 damage. My guess would be things actually went something more like this: OP did a mission in the neighboring system to Motsu. Upon conclusion he didn't rep his shields to full, and returned to Motsu. Once through the gate he hit the button for "Dock at..." and actually wound up dropping about 2km short of the station, with shield damage still lingering and all hardeners off. EFT shows that fit as having just under 14k EHP against EMP ammo, so it was probably a good hit; the Apoc has plenty of tracking for it, and the pilot likely has implants. I seriously doubt the ganker got a second shot off with artillery. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Helmh0ltz	Posted - 2010.09.14 06:14:00 - [98] Originally by: Niccolo Paganini Originally by: Helmh0ltz Originally by: RentableMuffin Originally by: Sharbaraz Linkage guessing this was yours? nope, he was posting with his main http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11287942 on that note I have 2x well skilled arty characters why am I not doing this lol @ rigors+HAMS It's a mission running ship and it did an excellent job. No, no, you don't understand. I was mocking you because rigors don't work with HAMs, the rigors were completely useless. From the 'Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I' description: "This ship modification is designed to decrease the signature radius factor for missile explosions at the expense of increased CPU requirements for launchers. Note: only works on guided missiles, that is light missiles, heavy missiles and cruise missiles. " ====== Your signature is freakishly huge for this forum. Please resize according to the forum rules, thanks. Shadow.
RasaelWolf Caldari Black Rabbits	Posted - 2010.09.14 07:06:00 - [99] Originally by: Niccolo Paganini ... What doesn't make sense is that Concord then does nothing to defend the wreckage of the illaglly destroyed ship, which is, in effect, a crime scene. Concord should therefore protect that wreckage from collection by the pilot who destroyed the ship illegally or any other pilot looking to scavenge - Otherwise it is, through inaction encouraging illegal destruction of missions runner's ships. When the profits of crime are taken by police in raids they are stored, destroyed, auctioned or given back to their rightful owner. Perhaps this is something Concord could think about... Dude, your hilarious, love you carebears. Keep 'em coming \o/
Gistatis Tribunus The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2010.09.14 07:22:00 - [100] This was originally in features and ideas, so I'm going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt. Why are you missioning in Motsu? Why are you missioning CN? There are a ton of other corps you can run for that have well placed agents. Also, why are you using a tengu with ridiculously overpriced crap on it? A raven works just fine for l4's. The OP does sound trollish, but still botd. --------- "The." -Oceano da Cruz

Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.09.14 09:21:00 - [101] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/09/2010 09:22:03 lol? onevolleyd an uber faction fitted T3 solo with a poc in a 0.9 highsec. Gz, good job dude :-DD
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.09.14 09:59:00 - [102] Originally by: Gistatis Tribunus Also, why are you using a tengu with ridiculously overpriced crap on it? A raven works just fine for l4's. The OP does sound trollish, but still botd. I rather fly an overpriced 790dps HML Tengu than a cheap as chips Raven in L4's.
Niccolo Paganini	Posted - 2010.09.14 10:24:00 - [103] I used a Raven for a long time, then a CNR for a little while, then the Tengu The Tengu was the best Is CCP ever going to get decent insurance on tech 2/3 ships? There was talk about it a while ago?
Sendraks The Spice Weasels Must Flow	Posted - 2010.09.14 10:28:00 - [104] Originally by: Niccolo Paganini Is CCP ever going to get decent insurance on tech 2/3 ships? The insurance on T2 has been the way it is pretty much forever and isn't likely to change anytime soon.
Nitric Oxide	Posted - 2010.09.14 11:45:00 - [105] Ass kicked and violin broken.
Aerion Va'rr Dead Pilots Society	Posted - 2010.09.14 12:04:00 - [106] Originally by: RasaelWolf Originally by: Niccolo Paganini ... What doesn't make sense is that Concord then does nothing to defend the wreckage of the illaglly destroyed ship, which is, in effect, a crime scene. Concord should therefore protect that wreckage from collection by the pilot who destroyed the ship illegally or any other pilot looking to scavenge - Otherwise it is, through inaction encouraging illegal destruction of missions runner's ships. When the profits of crime are taken by police in raids they are stored, destroyed, auctioned or given back to their rightful owner. Perhaps this is something Concord could think about... Dude, your hilarious, love you carebears. Keep 'em coming \o/ Yeah.. you know the people that "Broke the Law" or whatever are going to stop once looting a wreck would be made illegal (not that it would ever be), its still stealing from you, and you have a 15 minute aggression time to go shoot them, but isn't that giving them what they want anyway? For the last time, Concord isn't here to protect you, its here to Avenge you. Sorry you lost 500M or so for 14M Decision.
SkwisgaarSkwigelf Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.09.14 13:13:00 - [107] tl;dr but I heard rl police are always there right after a crime to cordon off a crime scene and noone has ever stole anything ever wooooo the world is awesome guys
Bernard Schuyler	Posted - 2010.09.14 14:51:00 - [108] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Goose99 The reason suicide ganking is considered broken is because you can't just shoot the gankers first Wait wot?? Suicide ganking is considered broken because you cant kill people before they do anything?? Did you really just write that? You are correct, if you wish to shoot people first then go to lowsec or 0.0, if you wish to shoot people first in highsec then guess what, you are a suicide ganker. I agree that things as is are reasonably OK, but I think the point he was trying to make is that because of the way the rules work in high sec, the Ganker tends to have a significant advantage in high sec that they would not have in other areas. However, that being said, so what? The game is the way it is and that is fine.
Niccolo Paganini	Posted - 2010.09.14 18:18:00 - [109] Suicide ganking is fine until it happens to you and, for the record, I hated ganking before I lost my Tengu Its a cheap trick, and they dont deserve the rewards they get from it
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.09.14 18:25:00 - [110] Originally by: Niccolo Paganini ...they dont deserve the rewards they get from it Why not? It's more effective than running dumb pve content for hours to get the same isk reward. Seems perfectly fine to me. It's only your ethics that makes it wrong. Way to go imposing your vision on everyone that plays the game. If everyone thought like you this game would be dead years ago. ~_~

Niccolo Paganini	Posted - 2010.09.14 19:33:00 - [111] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Niccolo Paganini ...they dont deserve the rewards they get from it Why not? It's more effective than running dumb pve content for hours to get the same isk reward. Seems perfectly fine to me. It's only your ethics that makes it wrong. Way to go imposing your vision on everyone that plays the game. If everyone thought like you this game would be dead years ago. So you are saying the only reason the game works is because you're a ****? Not really much that one can say to that.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.09.14 19:36:00 - [112] I didn't say I'm a **, you are handing out judgement on everyone that does something you disapprove of. It's not your game and you should know these kind of activities are perfectly normal within the confines of CCP's vision. If you don't like it there are other games with a hand-holding approach to its customers. ~_~**
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.09.14 21:52:00 - [113] Originally by: Valoche Mrehl Your attacker got killed for his offense. If only that could be true. His attacker didn't get killed. If He did, he would have woken up in a new clone, wouldn't he? He lost a gank ship. No biggie. Concord needs to HTFU and start podding these criminal scum. Like Judge Dredd, they need to be judge jury and executioner all in one. It annoys me the way concord kiss criminal ass like that. Do the nasty...bye bye pod. Make EVE the cold, harsh, dark, etc., universe that it claims to be. Mr Epeen
100milisk	Posted - 2010.09.14 22:14:00 - [114] Originally by: Niccolo Paganini Suicide ganking is fine until it happens to you and, for the record, I hated ganking before I lost my Tengu Its a cheap trick, and they dont deserve the rewards they get from it All your crying aside you do have a month to kill your ganker. Next time you see him, just jump his ass in a pvp ship, avenge your tengu and mock him in local. Doing so you'd save his next victim, become a hero, buddy!
Doddy The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.14 23:45:00 - [115] wtb single sub-cap suicide ship that can lock and destroy tengu in 3 seconds .... If you are going to troll at least make it believable. (even an unfitted terribad tengu has more ehp than any single sub-capital ship can give out in 3 seconds, as for the lag thats what you get for missioning in motsu)
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.15 00:10:00 - [116] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 15/09/2010 00:11:32 Originally by: Mr Epeen If only that could be true. His attacker didn't get killed. If He did, he would have woken up in a new clone, wouldn't he? He lost a gank ship. No biggie. Concord needs to HTFU and start podding these criminal scum. Like Judge Dredd, they need to be judge jury and executioner all in one. It annoys me the way concord kiss criminal ass like that. Do the nasty...bye bye pod. Make EVE the cold, harsh, dark, etc., universe that it claims to be. Mr Epeen Oh no I lost all the implants in my suicide jump clone... Oh Wait! -- Alara's Law! As an online discussion on EVE ships grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Dominix approaches 1
Goose99	Posted - 2010.09.15 00:17:00 - [117] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 15/09/2010 00:11:32 Originally by: Mr Epeen If only that could be true. His attacker didn't get killed. If He did, he would have woken up in a new clone, wouldn't he? He lost a gank ship. No biggie. Concord needs to HTFU and start podding these criminal scum. Like Judge Dredd, they need to be judge jury and executioner all in one. It annoys me the way concord kiss criminal ass like that. Do the nasty...bye bye pod. Make EVE the cold, harsh, dark, etc., universe that it claims to be. Mr Epeen Oh no I lost all the implants in my suicide jump clone... Oh Wait! That would actually work very well, by limiting how often you can suicide gank from 15 minutes to jc limit, and adding cost of clone update to ganking costs.
Tinfoy Lat	Posted - 2010.09.15 00:48:00 - [118] Originally by: Niccolo Paganini Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Niccolo Paganini ...they dont deserve the rewards they get from it Why not? It's more effective than running dumb pve content for hours to get the same isk reward. Seems perfectly fine to me. It's only your ethics that makes it wrong. Way to go imposing your vision on everyone that plays the game. If everyone thought like you this game would be dead years ago. So you are saying the only reason the game works is because you're a **? Not really much that one can say to that. No, the game works because CCP leaves the possibility of being a ** in the game. Removing the suicide gankers and scammers from it turns high sec into farmville in space. Take a moment and admire the setup here. As a missioner do you read eve-survival or a forum post somewhere telling you what resists and damage to use in missions? Well these guys from darkside have taken the same approach. They're attacking with 2 gank fit battleships most times although only one makes the killmail often due to it's alpha being enough. They rarely if ever (haven't checked all the killmails yet) lose more than one of the bs to concord. Looking through some pve setups for lvl 4 tengus on battleclinic i see they get pretty insulting to anyone not using mission specific resists or someone fitting any kind of buffer on the active shield tank setups for lvl 4s. That means they have a huge EM hole when setup for guristas. Doubt most of you have all the skills at level 5, so you're running around with 9 or 10k ehp vs EM most of the time. They did their research and found juicy targets (one earlier today dropped 2b in mods for them) who have a large hole in their defense. Not much different than what the mission runners are doing to run the missions faster. I don't much like the idea of suicide ganking myself, but come on you have to appreciate what they did.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.09.15 00:55:00 - [119] On the question of insurance: As you will be aware, CCP recently re-wrote how insurance works. In the devblogs it was SPECIFICALLY STATED T2 insurance would never be more then 10-15% of the ships value and T3 even less. This is listed as one of the down sides of T2 and T3 ships and should remain that way. Replying to threads without reading them since 2008
Gistatis Tribunus The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2010.09.15 03:27:00 - [120] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Gistatis Tribunus Also, why are you using a tengu with ridiculously overpriced crap on it? A raven works just fine for l4's. The OP does sound trollish, but still botd. I rather fly an overpriced 790dps HML Tengu than a cheap as chips Raven in L4's. But why, when you can spend all that money on divine opium and multiple copies of 17 Successful Torture Techniques and The Little Pirate who Could? --------- "The." -Oceano da Cruz



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