Originally by: CCP Atropos

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THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

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Originally by: Nila Talluc

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Just can't wait for this! This is exactly what we mission runners need to both save time and money (if we look away from the price of the BPO).

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Primae Noctis?

Right of the first night?

Really?

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Originally by: Dacil Arandur

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Primae Noctis?

Right of the first night?

Really?

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That's what it feels like for hard core mission runners to get their wrecks salvaged right out from under them... like an english noble coming to steal away their new bride.

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Originally by: Gartanus

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Love it! When can we expect it to be on the market? Or did I miss that answer?

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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We'll be seeding the new skill and blueprint in ORE stations everywhere (ie, Outer Ring) in the next expansion, retailing for 1,600,000 and 390,000,000 respectively. Aaaaand... that's about it, really. Hope you find it useful!

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Originally by: CCP Tuxford

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my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.

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Originally by: Gartanus

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Thanks Krispy Dingo. Cheers :P

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Originally by: Zilabeth Vomarr

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I usually carry my salvage ship (hurricane) around in the Orca, which is our squadron's mobile base of operations. I hope the Noctis will be more BC sized and still fit in an Orca for transport to mission sites.

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Originally by: Helena Troy

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àMany new ships are ORE ships that only get seeded in far away placesà

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Originally by: Veliria

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To qoute someone famous..."Hell, it's about time!"

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Originally by: Aelana Anais

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Edited by: Aelana Anais on 17/09/2010 19:24:02
WOO +1 CCP!

Originally by: Nila Talluc

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Just can't wait for this! This is exactly what we mission runners need to both save time and money (if we look away from the price of the BPO).

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Actually 390m seems a little on the low end compared to covetors and orca.

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Originally by: Aelana Anais

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Actually 390m seems a little on the low end compared to covetors and orca.

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Originally by: Sgt Blade

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Very awesome, although if these BPO's are only in Outer Ring then I expect those stations to be camped like hell for a few days after release

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Zilabeth Vomarr

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I usually carry my salvage ship (hurricane) around in the Orca, which is our squadron's mobile base of operations. I hope the Noctis will be more BC sized and still fit in an Orca for transport to mission sites.

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Since it's based on the Primae hull, I'll assume it will be BC-sized ù 270k m¦ assembled.

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Originally by: zcar300

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Very cool. I was a upset that the primae was so useless. It's a very nice looking ship. I'm a little surprised there isn't a bonus to salvager effectiveness. Although I guess you can fit it with plenty of rigs...

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Originally by: Tonto Auri

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Reduce all numbers ten times and it MAY BE became useful.
60 mil build cost for a damned salvager - my destroyer overthrow it by a huge margin.
There's just no field for such unproportionally overexpensive otherwise-useless boat.
It should cost no more than a Covetor to build.

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Originally by: Tonto Auri

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Reduce all numbers ten times and it MAY BE became useful.
60 mil build cost for a damned salvager - my destroyer overthrow it by a huge margin.
There's just no field for such unproportionally overexpensive othervise-useless boat.
It should cost no more than a Covetor to build.

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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Originally by: Tonto Auri

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Reduce all numbers ten times and it MAY BE became useful.
60 mil build cost for a damned salvager - my destroyer overthrow it by a huge margin.
There's just no field for such unproportionally overexpensive othervise-useless boat.
It should cost no more than a Covetor to build.

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considering many people consider the hurricane to be the best salvage ship it really isn't that much more expensive.

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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considering many people consider the hurricane to be the best salvage ship it really isn't that much more expensive.

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Originally by: Tonto Auri

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Comparing backwardly, you are?

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Originally by: Shandir

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60m is a steal for what this boat does.

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Quote:

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Your math above is flawed

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Originally by: Tippia

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It's a special-purpose battlecruiser — being as cheap to build as a normal BC is entirely reasonable due to its limitations.

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Originally by: Tonto Auri

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Originally by: Shandir

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60m is a steal for what this boat does.

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Nothing my destroyer can't do 2 times slower for 1/150 of that cost. compare 2 and 150 now.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Edited by: Tippia on 17/09/2010 21:07:59

Originally by: Tonto Auri

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Originally by: Shandir

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60m is a steal for what this boat does.

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Nothing my destroyer can't do 2 times slower for 1/150 of that cost. compare 2 and 150 now.

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It's not just going to be 2 times slowerà

àfor one, this thing covers 64+ the volume in the exact same amount of time. For another, it's base capacity beats the tar out of your destroyer, thus beating your destroyer at more than 2:1 on travel alone.

Oh, and the build price is at worst 50% higher than a BCà it's the bargain of the century for what it does.

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Originally by: Dr Fighter

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"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"

Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.

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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists

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A salvaging ship fills a role that no other ship or class had before, good idea and also well balanced.

Maybe also a good opportunity to look at the quite few t1 frigs and cruisers that either lack a role or cannot fulfill theirs due to weak fittings or attributes. As example the "Condor" is supposed to be a tackler but cannot mwdand warp disrupt due to cap, if ab and warp disrupt the merlin is better if mwd and warp scram the merlin is still better.

There are alot of ships in eve that are rarely if ever used or could simply do with a slight buff - since the Paper-Stone-Scissors lives through variety and is eves biggest pvp appeal, it would only make sense to spend time on this, to me atleast :)

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Originally by: Jade Tranquility

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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists

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A salvaging ship fills a role that no other ship or class had before, good idea and also well balanced.

Maybe also a good opportunity to look at the quite few t1 frigs and cruisers that either lack a role or cannot fulfill theirs due to weak fittings or attributes. As example the "Condor" is supposed to be a tackler but cannot mwdand warp disrupt due to cap, if ab and warp disrupt the merlin is better if mwd and warp scram the merlin is still better.

There are alot of ships in eve that are rarely if ever used or could simply do with a slight buff - since the Paper-Stone-Scissors lives through variety and is eves biggest pvp appeal, it would only make sense to spend time on this, to me atleast :)

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Look at what I bolded. Condors are never used as a tackler, merlins and rifters are

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Originally by: Gil Danastre

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For anyone who can do the math, with bonuses at level 5, what is the speed/range of a tractor beam?

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Originally by: Tonto Auri

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Reduce all numbers ten times and it MAY BE became useful.
60 mil build cost for a damned salvager - my destroyer overthrow it by a huge margin.

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Originally by: Jade Tranquility

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Edited by: Jade Tranquility on 17/09/2010 21:32:10
I certainly won't be abandoning my salvage destroyers for this overpriced, useless ship. And until you decide to seed these things in hisec, I'm not sure how many people are going to be dumb enough to go die trying to get it from where you will be offering it. Please start seeding these in hisec, and stop feeding the asshats who live down in outer ring easy kills

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Originally by: Tonto Auri

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Edited by: Tonto Auri on 17/09/2010 20:54:57

Originally by: Shandir

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60m is a steal for what this boat does.

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Nothing my destroyer can't do 2 times slower for 1/150 of that cost. compare 2 and 150 now.

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Your math above is flawed

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No. I'm comparing potential of one hull to potential of another hull.
Not comparing certain fittings (where, yes, you should compare what it does).

Originally by: Tippia

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It's a special-purpose battlecruiser ù being as cheap to build as a normal BC is entirely reasonable due to its limitations.

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Aww, sorry my noobness, which of the non-special-purpose battlecruisers cost 60mil to build?
I'm seeing only those around 20-25mil.

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Edited by: Krispy Dingo on 17/09/2010 23:16:05

Originally by: Jade Tranquility

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Edited by: Jade Tranquility on 17/09/2010 21:32:10
I certainly won't be abandoning my salvage destroyers for this overpriced, useless ship. And until you decide to seed these things in hisec, I'm not sure how many people are going to be dumb enough to go die trying to get it from where you will be offering it. Please start seeding these in hisec, and stop feeding the asshats who live down in outer ring easy kills

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Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.

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Originally by: Star P'ergish

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Ok it is my understanding everyone and his cousin will buy one and not only mission runners but 0.0 guys too (salvaging/looting a battlefield will be piece of cake).

My question is what will I use my Marauder for since getting a faction BS and Noctis will be a must from now on?

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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Originally by: Tonto Auri

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Reduce all numbers ten times and it MAY BE became useful.
60 mil build cost for a damned salvager - my destroyer overthrow it by a huge margin.
There's just no field for such unproportionally overexpensive othervise-useless boat.
It should cost no more than a Covetor to build.

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considering many people consider the hurricane to be the best salvage ship it really isn't that much more expensive.

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àin fact, considering how it's become increasingly common for people to use T3 ships to get to similar bonuses, it's downright dirt cheap.

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Originally by: Shosuro Ayame

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Edited by: Krispy Dingo on 17/09/2010 23:16:05

Originally by: Jade Tranquility

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Edited by: Jade Tranquility on 17/09/2010 21:32:10
I certainly won't be abandoning my salvage destroyers for this overpriced, useless ship. And until you decide to seed these things in hisec, I'm not sure how many people are going to be dumb enough to go die trying to get it from where you will be offering it. Please start seeding these in hisec, and stop feeding the asshats who live down in outer ring easy kills

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Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.

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You missed the point. Getting said books and BPO's are going to be an utter pain in the ass. It's nullsec. It's going to be camped to hell because it's funny making people lose 390mil for every BPO they're trying to get out.

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Originally by: Shosuro Ayame

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Edited by: Krispy Dingo on 17/09/2010 23:16:05

Originally by: Jade Tranquility

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Edited by: Jade Tranquility on 17/09/2010 21:32:10
I certainly won't be abandoning my salvage destroyers for this overpriced, useless ship. And until you decide to seed these things in hisec, I'm not sure how many people are going to be dumb enough to go die trying to get it from where you will be offering it. Please start seeding these in hisec, and stop feeding the asshats who live down in outer ring easy kills

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Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.

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You missed the point. Getting said books and BPO's are going to be an utter pain in the ass. It's nullsec. It's going to be camped to hell because it's funny making people lose 390mil for every BPO they're trying to get out.

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Please tell me you're joking. EVE players must be total pansies now.

Let's see, Hulk, now it did come out before my time, but it is an ORE ship. That means it was seeded in the Outer Rings, right? Bought one for my mining alt in Jita.

Orca, came out after I started playing, and I know or damn sure it was seeded in the Outer Rings. Bought one of those in Jita as well.

So people are going to camp gates, BFD, if you're that worried take a T3 with cloak and bubble invulnerability and go get some. If you're worth your salt, all you need is a cov ops, though. Books and BPOs are pretty damn small, afterall.

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Originally by: Shosuro Ayame

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Edited by: Krispy Dingo on 17/09/2010 23:16:05

Originally by: Jade Tranquility

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Edited by: Jade Tranquility on 17/09/2010 21:32:10
I certainly won't be abandoning my salvage destroyers for this overpriced, useless ship. And until you decide to seed these things in hisec, I'm not sure how many people are going to be dumb enough to go die trying to get it from where you will be offering it. Please start seeding these in hisec, and stop feeding the asshats who live down in outer ring easy kills

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Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.

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You missed the point. Getting said books and BPO's are going to be an utter pain in the ass. It's nullsec. It's going to be camped to hell because it's funny making people lose 390mil for every BPO they're trying to get out.

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Please tell me you're joking. EVE players must be total pansies now.

Let's see, Hulk, now it did come out before my time, but it is an ORE ship. That means it was seeded in the Outer Rings, right? Bought one for my mining alt in Jita.

Orca, came out after I started playing, and I know or damn sure it was seeded in the Outer Rings. Bought one of those in Jita as well.

So people are going to camp gates, BFD, if you're that worried take a T3 with cloak and bubble invulnerability and go get some. If you're worth your salt, all you need is a cov ops, though. Books and BPOs are pretty damn small, afterall.

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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So people are going to camp gates, BFD, if you're that worried take a T3 with cloak and bubble invulnerability and go get some.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Edited by: Tippia on 17/09/2010 22:26:58

Originally by: Gil Danastre

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For anyone who can do the math, with bonuses at level 5, what is the speed/range of a tractor beam?

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80kmà

àat 2km/sà

(At a far more reasonable lvl IV, you get 68km @á1700m/s)

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.

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Exactly. Unless the ORE industrial skillbook is available outside of ORE stations the problem will not be getting the hull, a couple of weeks and we will get it in Jita at bargain cost (lacking the ME research, granted), but the skillbooks.

If those need to be imported from Outer Ring the overhead will be fairly large.

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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.

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Exactly. Unless the ORE industrial skillbook is available outside of ORE stations the problem will not be getting the hull, a couple of weeks and we will get it in Jita at bargain cost (lacking the ME research, granted), but the skillbooks.

If those need to be imported from Outer Ring the overhead will be fairly large.

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Why would that be the case? Skill books have the same low volume as BPOs, so if you can easily get one of the items to highsec you can get the other the same way.

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Originally by: Ela Hako

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If you want to play with it in EFT:

http://eve-files.com/dl/229665 Backup your eft\Data\Skills.dat and Ships.dat file and overwrite them with the contents of this file

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Originally by: Sgt Blade

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Very awesome, although if these BPO's are only in Outer Ring then I expect those stations to be camped like hell for a few days after release

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Yeah, I'm kinda assuming that anyone with 390m to spend will be able to work out for themselves that OR will be gank city on day 1

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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Originally by: Sgt Blade

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Very awesome, although if these BPO's are only in Outer Ring then I expect those stations to be camped like hell for a few days after release

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Yeah, I'm kinda assuming that anyone with 390m to spend will be able to work out for themselves that OR will be gank city on day 1

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Quotes like this proves how out-of-touch the developers are with the playerbase...

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Originally by: T'san Manaan

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Wow, I made the exact opposite conclusion from that statement. If you canÆt figure out how to get through a few gate camps hauling some BPOs and Skillbooks you don't deserve the profit anyways. Wait a few weeks until the high-sec market is flooded and stabilizes then you can get your risk free BPO and skills at a slightly higher price.

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 18/09/2010 06:41:35

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Originally by: Krispy Dingo

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Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.

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Exactly. Unless the ORE industrial skillbook is available outside of ORE stations the problem will not be getting the hull, a couple of weeks and we will get it in Jita at bargain cost (lacking the ME research, granted), but the skillbooks.

If those need to be imported from Outer Ring the overhead will be fairly large.

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Why would that be the case? Skill books have the same low volume as BPOs, so if you can easily get one of the items to highsec you can get the other the same way.

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1 BPO can produce infinite amounts of ships, at the speed of 7,2/day with a unresearched BPO and a character with no PE. As soon as some hundred are in high sec and producing market will be saturated.

1 skill book can be used by 1 character. Period.

Seem fairly easy to grasp why the ship will have a small surcharge and the book a large one.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Originally by: Zilabeth Vomarr

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I usually carry my salvage ship (hurricane) around in the Orca, which is our squadron's mobile base of operations. I hope the Noctis will be more BC sized and still fit in an Orca for transport to mission sites.

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Confirming this, forgot this wasn't in the fitting info. It's BC-like in many respects (including volume), but it's treated as an Industrial by the code, same as the Primae (overview group, acceleration gate restrictions etc).

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Originally by: Shigawahhhhh

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Roughly 40m worth of minerals for this? really?
I like the idea but the price tag seems a bit steep.

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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash

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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 18/09/2010 08:23:19
10 max locked targets... better train that Multitasking skill now!

Originally by: Ela Hako

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If you want to play with it in EFT:

http://eve-files.com/dl/229665 Backup your eft\Data\Skills.dat and Ships.dat file and overwrite them with the contents of this file

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Doesn't work for me, EFT says "Invalid floating point operation" when I try to create a new setup, and then shows no slots.

How is it with cap stability? The 5% bonus to cycle time will also make tractors eat more cap over time. 155 m/s unmodified speed seems kinda low, that's about battleship level. This will be especially annoying in missions or plexes with several gates. Could it run a MWD for a reasonable period of time?

Also, last point, remove the stupid tractor beam restrictions. I want to loot the battlefield!

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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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1 BPO can produce infinite amounts of ships, at the speed of 7,2/day with a unresearched BPO and a character with no PE. As soon as some hundred are in high sec and producing market will be saturated.

1 skill book can be used by 1 character. Period.

Seem fairly easy to grasp why the ship will have a small surcharge and the book a large one.

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I can see what you mean, but the way I see things it doesn't make much difference, as in cause it to be a "problem" as you said it. Skillbooks will be relatively easy to get to the market in large quantaties by even small operators. This ensures there will be enough competition, that no one operator can keep the prices inflated for long periods of time.

I'm sure the prices are outrageously inflated at first, but I don't see anything that would drive the prices to levels the average player can't easily afford. It will propably be a good source of profits in percentages for the people with easy access to the seed stations, but since the initial NPC cost is so low, the cost for the consumer should stabilize at an acceptable level after the initial profiteering. So what I don't get is how the situation could become a real problem.

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Originally by: Antoda Sul

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NOOOO, that was the idea for my ship to DA's EVE contest!!! ... well but i love the Primae design and the idea of a salvage ship, too.
What would you guys think of a specialized exploration ship? (destroyer sized, cloak, bonus to salvage/hacking/analyzing, maybe NPC dont target it, but its made of paper and has no offensive) ... i have to rethink, mew.

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Originally by: Ela Hako

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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash

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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 18/09/2010 08:23:19
10 max locked targets... better train that Multitasking skill now!

Originally by: Ela Hako

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If you want to play with it in EFT:

http://eve-files.com/dl/229665 Backup your eft\Data\Skills.dat and Ships.dat file and overwrite them with the contents of this file

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Doesn't work for me, EFT says "Invalid floating point operation" when I try to create a new setup, and then shows no slots.

How is it with cap stability? The 5% bonus to cycle time will also make tractors eat more cap over time. 155 m/s unmodified speed seems kinda low, that's about battleship level. This will be especially annoying in missions or plexes with several gates. Could it run a MWD for a reasonable period of time?

Also, last point, remove the stupid tractor beam restrictions. I want to loot the battlefield!

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Are you using version 2.12.4 of EFT?

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Originally by: Ela Hako

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How is it with cap stability? The 5% bonus to cycle time will also make tractors eat more cap over time. 155 m/s unmodified speed seems kinda low, that's about battleship level. This will be especially annoying in missions or plexes with several gates. Could it run a MWD for a reasonable period of time?

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Originally by: BeanBagKing

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Originally by: Ela Hako

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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash

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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 18/09/2010 08:23:19
10 max locked targets... better train that Multitasking skill now!

Originally by: Ela Hako

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If you want to play with it in EFT:

http://eve-files.com/dl/229665 Backup your eft\Data\Skills.dat and Ships.dat file and overwrite them with the contents of this file

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Doesn't work for me, EFT says "Invalid floating point operation" when I try to create a new setup, and then shows no slots.

How is it with cap stability? The 5% bonus to cycle time will also make tractors eat more cap over time. 155 m/s unmodified speed seems kinda low, that's about battleship level. This will be especially annoying in missions or plexes with several gates. Could it run a MWD for a reasonable period of time?

Also, last point, remove the stupid tractor beam restrictions. I want to loot the battlefield!

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Are you using version 2.12.4 of EFT?

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Works for me, also, you are awesome Ela, thank you! How did you make that?

/me can't wait to get his hands on this ship

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Originally by: Deliceous

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would this make an awesome gas harvesting Ship?

Able to pop this into a Rorqual. Set up boosting bonuses and Clone jumping miners/harvesters to those ladar site.

Or is my newbness to Gas Harvesting that apparent?

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Originally by: Khoard

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so has anybody figured out the cargo amounts for this ship with expanders and cargo rigs?

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Originally by: Deliceous

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would this make an awesome gas harvesting Ship?

Able to pop this into a Rorqual. Set up boosting bonuses and Clone jumping miners/harvesters to those ladar site.

Or is my newbness to Gas Harvesting that apparent?

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Originally by: Buale

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also basic math says that tractor range would be 60km, but people in this thread and EFT states 80km.
whats the formula to come up with 80km?

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Originally by: Ela Hako

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.6*5 = 300%, +0% of 20 is 20, +100% of 20 is 40, +300% of 20 is 80 (4x)

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Originally by: Avectus

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i think it sucks,i really think they could do ALOT better i mean its ccp COME ON,we spend all our time on this game,and for what? crappy ships with no real thought or ingenuity? wth?

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We'll be seeding the new skill and blueprint in ORE stations everywhere (ie, right next to Goonswarm) in the next expansion, retailing for 1,600,000 and 390,000,000 respectively. Aaaaand... that's about it, really. Hope you find it useful!

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Originally by: Garden Shovel

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CCP when are you going to stop wasting time with worthless stuff like this and actualy fix some stuff in this game.... technetium is rigged for the north 60,000 pu, whats going on there does anyone do math?, and what about the whole PI thing that has to be the worst gameplay i have ever seen yeah, we love to click buttons 5000 times a day to make isk... fun fun.. this game is going downhill fast :( it used to be a top game a few years back.

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Originally by: Garden Shovel

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CCP when are you going to stop wasting time with worthless stuff like this and actualy fix some stuff in this game.... technetium is rigged for the north 60,000 pu, whats going on there does anyone do math?, and what about the whole PI thing that has to be the worst gameplay i have ever seen yeah, we love to click buttons 5000 times a day to make isk... fun fun.. this game is going downhill fast :( it used to be a top game a few years back.

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Originally by: Sub Prime

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I'll echo what a couple of other posters have said:

Great addition to Eve, but a shame it doesn't have the extra midslot to enable it to run a propulsion mod, codebreaker & analyzer.

Codebreaking & hacking seem to have been forgotten arts and this could have boosted them somewhat (the cycle time reduction too for those mods would be great :) ).

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Originally by: Camios

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Originally by: Sub Prime

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I'll echo what a couple of other posters have said:

Great addition to Eve, but a shame it doesn't have the extra midslot to enable it to run a propulsion mod, codebreaker & analyzer.

Codebreaking & hacking seem to have been forgotten arts and this could have boosted them somewhat (the cycle time reduction too for those mods would be great :) ).

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Well this is a salvage specific ship, and what makes salvaging more interesting is that there is a huge market for it.

I don't understand why people say that it will cost 60 millions, with current mineral prices I see less than 37mil on an unresearched blueprint with an unskilled character.
This means that the production cost can be as low as 26mil.

The ability to use tractor beam with 68km range means that salvaging a field full of wrecks will be far faster, and this means that salvage and rig costs will drop even more.

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Originally by: Shawshanke

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Originally by: Camios

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Originally by: Sub Prime

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I'll echo what a couple of other posters have said:

Great addition to Eve, but a shame it doesn't have the extra midslot to enable it to run a propulsion mod, codebreaker & analyzer.

Codebreaking & hacking seem to have been forgotten arts and this could have boosted them somewhat (the cycle time reduction too for those mods would be great :) ).

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Well this is a salvage specific ship, and what makes salvaging more interesting is that there is a huge market for it.

I don't understand why people say that it will cost 60 millions, with current mineral prices I see less than 37mil on an unresearched blueprint with an unskilled character.
This means that the production cost can be as low as 26mil.

The ability to use tractor beam with 68km range means that salvaging a field full of wrecks will be far faster, and this means that salvage and rig costs will drop even more.

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390,000,000 for a 15 run copy. That's 26,000,000 for each run before minerals even get involved.

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Originally by: k'nah Manaan

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Wasn't it 390mill for a BPO?

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Originally by: Shawshanke

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http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=797

Scroll down and look at it, its a 15 run copy. As far as I know there wasn't a BPO for the Orca so there probably isn't going to be one for the Noctis.

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Originally by: Apple Boy

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CCP made a ship just for me! \o/

Thank you Greyscale!

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Quote:

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Aedun Sole > flying with lyk is like flying a bus filled with 5 year old children

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Originally by: Makko Gray

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Originally by: Shawshanke

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http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=797

Scroll down and look at it, its a 15 run copy. As far as I know there wasn't a BPO for the Orca so there probably isn't going to be one for the Noctis.

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No that means if you copy if the maximum runs you can get on the copy is 15 runs. All BPO's have that.

Also the Orca was also release as a BPO - I believe the Orca was seeded in high sec for a time before now only being seeded in the ORE stations in the outer ring.

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Originally by: Sub Prime

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I'll echo what a couple of other posters have said:

Great addition to Eve, but a shame it doesn't have the extra midslot to enable it to run a propulsion mod, codebreaker & analyzer.

Codebreaking & hacking seem to have been forgotten arts and this could have boosted them somewhat (the cycle time reduction too for those mods would be great :) ).

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Originally by: Shawshanke

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humm looks like we are both wrong, that blueprint is neither a copy or original. Right above the "Produces Noctis [1]" is where it should either say "Original Blueprint" or "Blueprint Copy" but its blank.

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Originally by: ChataJohn

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Well, nice I guess. However, if its an "ancient" ship design (being a mod on the Primae) - you've inappropriately priced the bpo that's for sure.

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Originally by: Jada Maroo

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THANK YOU for not wasting this hull CCP! Thumbs up!

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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On the subject of midslots and drone bays:

We talked about this internally just now, and for now we're going to stick with the current stats. We fully agree that a third mid and some drones would make the ship much more useful, but that's not the same thing as more balanced. In particular, as soon as we start giving it non-comedy offensive capabilities, the task of balancing the ship becomes a lot more involved, and one of the things that's enabled such a quick turnaround on the Noctis is that it really doesn't have any serious combat potential so we can stat it up much more quickly.

All in all, we think the ship as it stands now already justifies itself, and trying to make ships more awesome than they really need to be has historically been a source of considerable imbalance. We'd rather not take that risk again in this case

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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All in all, we think the ship as it stands now already justifies itself, and trying to make ships more awesome than they really need to be has historically been a source of considerable imbalance. We'd rather not take that risk again in this case

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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On the subject of midslots and drone bays:

We talked about this internally just now, and for now we're going to stick with the current stats. We fully agree that a third mid and some drones would make the ship much more useful, but that's not the same thing as more balanced. In particular, as soon as we start giving it non-comedy offensive capabilities, the task of balancing the ship becomes a lot more involved, and one of the things that's enabled such a quick turnaround on the Noctis is that it really doesn't have any serious combat potential so we can stat it up much more quickly.

All in all, we think the ship as it stands now already justifies itself, and trying to make ships more awesome than they really need to be has historically been a source of considerable imbalance. We'd rather not take that risk again in this case

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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On the subject of midslots and drone bays:

We talked about this internally just now, and for now we're going to stick with the current stats. We fully agree that a third mid and some drones would make the ship much more useful, but that's not the same thing as more balanced. In particular, as soon as we start giving it non-comedy offensive capabilities, the task of balancing the ship becomes a lot more involved, and one of the things that's enabled such a quick turnaround on the Noctis is that it really doesn't have any serious combat potential so we can stat it up much more quickly.

All in all, we think the ship as it stands now already justifies itself, and trying to make ships more awesome than they really need to be has historically been a source of considerable imbalance. We'd rather not take that risk again in this case

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Also my bad, I did show info on the Platonic form of the blueprint rather than creating one in cargo and doing show info on that. It is in fact a blueprint original when you buy it.

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Originally by: Xessej

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While I understand that caution is usually best this would be the only completely offenceless non shuttle non freighter ever. No matter how lol worthy the fact is all indsutrials have a turret and all ORE ships have a drone bay.

A 25 m3 bay and bandwidth for a flight of light scouts will in now way make this thing an offensive power house. It will let it deal with hisec belt rats if it encounters a spawn while salvaging wrecks in a belt (with no ability to scandown wrecks this is the only souce of wrecks for a salvager uninterested in ninjaing or running missions).

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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On the subject of midslots and drone bays:

We talked about this internally just now, and for now we're going to stick with the current stats. We fully agree that a third mid and some drones would make the ship much more useful, but that's not the same thing as more balanced.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Small clarification: the ORE Industrial skillbook will be available everywhere that the Mining Barge skillbook is currently available. This should include all school stations in empire. Should've been clearer about that, my bad.

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Originally by: Sanne Allows

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How about a bomus to salvege chance, even if small, since it IS a dedicated salveger?

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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All in all, we think the ship as it stands now already justifies itself, and trying to make ships more awesome than they really need to be has historically been a source of considerable imbalance. We'd rather not take that risk again in this case

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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Finally!

Next up: a SoE exploration/hacking/etc ship. Pretty please.

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Originally by: Darek Castigatus

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unless like most people you actually read the announcement and realised that the ship from the design contest is intended to be a combat ship,

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Originally by: Arora Firesight

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Edited by: Arora Firesight on 20/09/2010 09:44:01


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So to summery.... this is what people might like with the ship. just taking stoke of everyones excellent ideas and id say nice one koodos to the community

Great ship, but people have suggested that they would like>

* Code Braker/archeology bonus.

* A drone bay with drone band width. as the introduction of the currently non public salvage drone.

* and extra mid slot.

* a slight increase in CPU.

* to go with the ship the introduction of the mid and large tractor beams.

* some turret hard points for gas harvesters (i may see a slight problem as it might be the case that CCP has intended this ship not to have offensive abilities(but thats up to CCP to comment), so maybe a revamp of of the GH's to not rely on turret hard points maybe a better idea)

* for this ship in general to fill more than one role in the game...

I like this ship and what CCP is intending... i would just like to see if CCP would like to comment on the suggestions others have made, as personally i wouldn't want them to be forgotten...

i would also like to ask as to weather this extras that other players have suggested would imbalance the ship?

(my idea) Lastly as i was intrigued by the idea of using this new ship for WH op's, maybe add a small probe bonus, as ninja's will be using this ship anyhow....

There has been a mention of a T2 version, so if not placing these ideas in this t1, maybe make the T2 a fullon Utility/salvage/exploration/gas harvest ship... and if so please add more mid and low slots for ether an armor or shield tank as it would be much needed.

Kindly and respectfully awaiting CCP's reply... and also thoughts and input from the community..

Much love and A star marks so far for the ship... much needed.

more ideas to come

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Originally by: Bruder Predaiter

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The last eve expansion was for industrial and pve. the next one is the same with 2 sensless ships. a salvager ship for pvp? or a faction mom, for the 10 guys that can afford it?

i think it is the sign for a sinking eve!!

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Originally by: Chemical Property

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I wish this expansion has more stuff in it... as far as WE KNOW, i dont feel like i am not interested

Other than that the ship seems good and the expansion's incursions even better.

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Originally by: Dr Cedric

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So wait...now we have a dedicated salvager...

Destroyers are back in the trash bin now!

I vote for Electronics support ships for the next T2 destroyer...yay

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Originally by: Mey Xing

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New Ship? looks like yet another ship with a new paint job and some altered attributes.

I really wish CCP can learn to be more creative and come up with totally new ships for different tasks, instead of giving it a different paint job , changing and attribute here and there and going : "There ya go we have a new ship for you" (Yawn)

Pffffft

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Originally by: LordElfa

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Originally by: Bruder Predaiter

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The last eve expansion was for industrial and pve. the next one is the same with 2 sensless ships. a salvager ship for pvp? or a faction mom, for the 10 guys that can afford it?

i think it is the sign for a sinking eve!!

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Don't be a negative Nancy. Besides, CCP can't make everything for pirates, even though you now make up practically 80% of the entire game population, its like Space Pirates Online as it is. I think they should make something new for the pirates though, perhaps a low sec NPC rat that hunts pirates below 5.0 when ever they enter low sec space. It would make being a pirate more challenging and give those poor pirates who sit around all day with nobody to kill something to do.

ARRR!

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