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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:11:00 -
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They were never intended to be used in high sec anyway.
I'm not concerned with the actual changes CCP are making to these ships but the thought process that goes behind it and it's ramifications for the game as a whole. CCP are catering to the casual players and in doing so are turning New Eden from a dark and consequence filled universe to that of a hand-holding nanny state.
Quote:The Hulk is the largest craft in the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Hulk is, bar none, the most efficient mining vessel available.
Quote:The Skiff is the smallest of the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. Skiffs are specialty vessels, designed to mine Mercoxit.
Quote:The Mackinaw is the medium-sized version of the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Mackinaw is a specialty vessel, ideally suited for ice mining.
Clearly they were not intended for the starter systems which comprise high-sec empire. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

March rabbit
R.I.P. Legion Red Alliance
218
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:14:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:They were never intended to be used in high sec anyway. let me guess.....
maybe high-sec was never intended to be battlefield for the richest 0.0-sec alliance which refunds any ganking losses to its members? |

Aprudena Gist
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:16:00 -
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It also makes them a lot more useful for w-space which you do have to mine at least gas quite a bit in. But yes it was mostly because a 1m isk blaster thrasher could take out a 300m isk hulk. |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2465
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:22:00 -
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A new gas ship could freshen up the industry but how am I supposed to roleplay a miner, out on the limits of civilised space, bashing my ship with giant wrenches to keep it going and chewing on ore, evading space pirates if my ship is all heavily tanked.
It's not meant to be a combat vessel, a Thrasher is. Hulks also have a far superior tank to a Thrasher. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

The D1ngo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:22:00 -
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Do the changes preclude/hinder exhumers from operating in low/null/wh?
Does the loss of cargo space on the hulk help solo hulk miners in hi-sec or does it encourage group mining ops like those found in 0.0?
Could the redesign be based around the upcoming changes to moon goo and the need for a competent platform to obtain "spice"?
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Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
13
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:24:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:maybe high-sec was never intended to be battlefield for the richest 0.0-sec alliance which refunds any ganking losses to its members?
I have to agree there. |

BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
56
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:37:00 -
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Because, for some reason, a game where the community focuses on killing ships that can't shoot back is not drawing in the subscriber base they expected. Maybe they finally realized they would like you to focus on harder tasks that actually make the game... emergent.
Also, please educate me on "Hulk were never intended for HiSec" Where does it say that? Capital Ships and Titan/SuperCap construction was never intended for HiSec, as a result, they are banned in lowsec by game mechanics (ban in Hisec=true). Please show me where this was the case for Hulks? Description? Announcement? Are the restrictions broken? Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |

Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
243
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:41:00 -
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We need another option next to the Like, which is a Special Snowflake, for those who have an idea so profound, that it couldn't be stated in any of the other threads on a topic.
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Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
5
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:43:00 -
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Because T1 barges suck. And "Tiericide" |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
682

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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:45:00 -
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Nice quoting. Let me join in.
Skiff wrote: The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Skiff's being durability. With that in mind, the designers could only make space to fit one mining or ice harvesting module. To mitigate the effect this would have on its mining output, they came up with a unique loading system that allows this one module to work at triple efficiency. Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules.
Mackinaw wrote:The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Mackinaw's being storage. Although it only has space to fit two mining or ice harvesting modules, a fast loading system allows those two module to do the work of three modules. Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules.
Hulk wrote:The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Hulk's being mining yield. The additional yield comes at a price, as the Hulk has weaker defenses and a smaller ore bay than the other exhumers. Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules. CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
354
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:47:00 -
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to make you post whiny **** posts, thats why. If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2465
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:49:00 -
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Thank you for confirming the new quotes cleverly remove any reference to their original intended use in 'deep space'.
I'm still surprised that high-sec miners never actually adapted to all the suicide ganging and simply carried on getting themselves killed but I suppose that says more about society and their senses of entitlement than it does about internet spaceships.
I have never been suicide ganked even once, I don't know how other people make such big targets of themselves and then expect to have a right to complain. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:52:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Nice quoting. Let me join in. ...
Translation: We changed things. Get over it. And why aren't you posting in the pre-existing threadnaught?
edit: To be fair, I like the "not a high-sec ship" twist to justify a "new" thread. Good trolling fundamentals. Kudos to Lady Spank.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
5
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:56:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Thank you for confirming the new quotes cleverly remove any reference to their original intended use in 'deep space'.
I'm still surprised that high-sec miners never actually adapted to all the suicide ganging and simply carried on getting themselves killed but I suppose that says more about society and their senses of entitlement than it does about internet spaceships.
I have never been suicide ganked even once, I don't know how other people make such big targets of themselves and then expect to have a right to complain. Well, not everyone is as clearly informed about current mining related trends.
Edit:
CCP Goliath wrote:Nice quoting. Let me join in. And they're in that same style the Tier 3 BCs were done with the bolded reference links to ORE, Mining Barge skill and Exhumer skill. |

Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
55
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:56:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:Because, for some reason, a game where the community focuses on killing ships that can't shoot back is not drawing in the subscriber base they expected. Maybe they finally realized they would like you to focus on harder tasks that actually make the game... emergent.
Also, please educate me on "Hulk were never intended for HiSec" Where does it say that? Capital Ships and Titan/SuperCap construction was never intended for HiSec, as a result, they are banned in lowsec by game mechanics (ban in Hisec=true). Please show me where this was the case for Hulks? Description? Announcement? Are the restrictions broken?
I'd be willing to bet that if that was set to True for Exhumers, then people ganking Exhumers wouldn't be such a hot button topic. IDK though, the tear drought on the forums would cause some other "bane" to rear its ugly head over high-sec.
TBH, I think I'd be cooler with that than the new changes. Might be an idea to give them a 50% buff to CPU/PG and maybe a slight buff to overall EHP (like 10-25%), but only if they were banned in high-sec.
Also, AFAIK, weren't Cap/SuperCaps allowed in high-sec at one point? Quit Crying and Just Suck It Up |

Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
355
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:57:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Nice quoting. Let me join in. ...
Translation: We changed things. Get over it. And why aren't you posting in the pre-existing threadnaught? edit: To be fair, I like the "not a high-sec ship" twist to justify a "new" thread. Good trolling fundamentals. Kudos to Lady Spank.
because she's special, and we should pat her on the back for her original insights which no other gankbear scrub has ever whined before. If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
289
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:57:00 -
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Deep space is defined as any region of outer space beyond the earth and moon.
So again, how is deep space limited to nul? Deep space is pretty much anywhere in eve. If you wish to refine the definition, it would at best be any part of space outside the influence of any planet's gravitational pull. That would still fit for belts in hi, low, or nul sec.
Come on, you can troll better than this. |

Deacon of Destruction
Temple of Destruction
0
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:01:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Thank you for confirming the new quotes cleverly remove any reference to their original intended use in 'deep space'.
I'm still surprised that high-sec miners never actually adapted to all the suicide ganging and simply carried on getting themselves killed but I suppose that says more about society and their senses of entitlement than it does about internet spaceships.
I have never been suicide ganked even once, I don't know how other people make such big targets of themselves and then expect to have a right to complain. This is where you revealed you were just trollin'. If you had been doing any ganking recently, you'd know that the majority of the miners have learned their lessons well. Easy targets are harder and harder to find. Also, some miners are using their own suicide approach and flying in retrievers and just writing down losses as the cost of doing business.
You've become boring in your old age. Go out, shoot something and STFU. |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2466
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:02:00 -
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Denidil wrote:stoicfaux wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Nice quoting. Let me join in. ...
Translation: We changed things. Get over it. And why aren't you posting in the pre-existing threadnaught? edit: To be fair, I like the "not a high-sec ship" twist to justify a "new" thread. Good trolling fundamentals. Kudos to Lady Spank. because she's special, and we should pat her on the back for her original insights which no other gankbear scrub has ever whined before.
Feel free to point out any high sec suicide gank I have taken part in, because I don't recall ever having done so. Thanks for proving how worthless your opinion is since you are incapable of posting objectively.
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Deep space is defined as any region of outer space beyond the earth and moon.
So again, how is deep space limited to nul? Deep space is pretty much anywhere in eve. If you wish to refine the definition, it would at best be any part of space outside the influence of any planet's gravitational pull. That would still fit for belts in hi, low, or nul sec.
Come on, you can troll better than this.
Feel free to point this out in the New Eden dictionary. Stop using old fashioned Earth definitions as they are irrelevant. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Odin Tribus
X10 PUNISHM4NT
2
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:02:00 -
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Hi-sec miners never adapted to being ganked because they've all had the "greed fit". All the ones I have ganked have had no tank whatsoever yet they feel they have the right to complain.
The worst ones are the "greed fitted" AFK miners.
I do hope the barge prices will reflect the changes therefore making ganking all the more worthwhile! |

Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
96
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:03:00 -
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Another troll miner gank thread
How orginal... |

Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
96
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:08:00 -
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Also in response if the Exhumers had not how did you put it?
CLEARLY NOT MEANT FOR HIGH SEC
They would banned from flying in 0.5 an above
Your another troll PVP pilot who is actually gonna have to use expensive ships to play your Hulkageddon
lolz no? |

Odin Tribus
X10 PUNISHM4NT
2
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:11:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Also in response if the Exhumers had not how did you put it?
CLEARLY NOT MEANT FOR HIGH SEC
They would banned from flying in 0.5 an above
Your another troll PVP pilot who is actually gonna have to use expensive ships to play your Hulkageddon
lolz no?
You sound mad |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
456
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:11:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Nice quoting. Let me join in. Skiff wrote: The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Skiff's being durability. With that in mind, the designers could only make space to fit one mining or ice harvesting module. To mitigate the effect this would have on its mining output, they came up with a unique loading system that allows this one module to work at triple efficiency. Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules.
Mackinaw wrote:The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Mackinaw's being storage. Although it only has space to fit two mining or ice harvesting modules, a fast loading system allows those two module to do the work of three modules. Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules. Hulk wrote:The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Hulk's being mining yield. The additional yield comes at a price, as the Hulk has weaker defenses and a smaller ore bay than the other exhumers. Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules. Nice dodge. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2468
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:15:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Also in response if the Exhumers had not how did you put it?
CLEARLY NOT MEANT FOR HIGH SEC
They would banned from flying in 0.5 an above
Your another troll PVP pilot who is actually gonna have to use expensive ships to play your Hulkageddon
lolz no?
I don't know why you have to be so personal since I clearly stated this is not the subject of this thread. I'm sorry you can't read very well but please ask someone to help you through the difficult words next time to save yourself from looking so stupid.
1. I do not partake in suicide ganking.
2. How can CCP implement forced game rules on elements of gameplay that were 'not indended'? That is possibly the most dim-witted sentiment I have read on these forums in some time. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:20:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:They were never intended to be used in high sec anyway. I'm not concerned with the actual changes CCP are making to these ships but the thought process that goes behind it and it's ramifications for the game as a whole. CCP are catering to the casual players and in doing so are turning New Eden from a dark and consequence filled universe to that of a hand-holding nanny state. Quote:The Hulk is the largest craft in the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Hulk is, bar none, the most efficient mining vessel available. Quote:The Skiff is the smallest of the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. Skiffs are specialty vessels, designed to mine Mercoxit. Quote:The Mackinaw is the medium-sized version of the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Mackinaw is a specialty vessel, ideally suited for ice mining. Clearly they were not intended for the starter systems which comprise high-sec empire.
Deal with it or GTFO. |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2469
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:23:00 -
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Patrakele wrote:Deal with it or GTFO. Thanks for taking the time to contribute to the thread. At least I can presume you will now GTFO yourself 
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Sexy Cakes
Poasting
13
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:28:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote: I'm still surprised that high-sec miners never actually adapted to all the suicide ganging and simply carried on getting themselves killed but I suppose that says more about society and their senses of entitlement than it does about internet spaceships.
Agreed.
However with the drone region nerf they gotta get those exhumers out in the belts somehow. |

Charlie Jacobson
23
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:30:00 -
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They are also far more resilient |

Riall
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:32:00 -
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ORE Sales Rep: The miners are asking when we're going to update our barges?
ORE Engineer: What do you mean... they're awesome as is... they should learn to fit them properly.
Rep: All new orders we're getting in are for fittings with shield extenders, but we're getting fewer orders. I'm looking at sales projections that say we could sell more, for a slightly higher price if we tweaked the next model year a bit.
Engineer: Why would they be tanking those things?
Rep: You really don't read the news, do you... There's this new thing that some of the null alliances have been sponsoring. Capsuleers fly into high sec, blow up one of our barges for kicks fully knowing that Concord is going to carve their pod out.
Engineer: Seriously? Why would they want to blow up such beautifully crafted machines? I mean, they don't harm a fly. They rip through asteroids, but not flies...
Rep: Look, all I'm saying is there's a market demand for a tankier barge. Especially after those new model destroyers and those freaky new battlecruisers that run big guns. We don't have to do anything crazy to our barges, just beef 'em up a bit. They'll sell like Veld Cakes, seriously.
Engineer: OK, let me see what I can cook up.
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