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Lt Locke	Posted - 2005.10.11 21:13:00 - [151] Originally by: Karl Borhman 800's are worthless against small close targets. You need 425's or 650's. Point being, if you want short range ship, get something that can tank it, like a phoon with AC's and CM launchers/torps/NOS. If you want long range and high damage go with a 'Pest, cause you won't be able to tank it without giving up some locking/tracking/damage mods. Also, whoever said if you don't have the skills stick with a phoon you may want to check your statement again. While it's true your skill level with guns doesn't need to be as high to use the phoon, you really do need missile, arty or ac guns, heavy drones and electronics skills to use the phoon right. So while the overall amount of sp needed doesn't mean you need T2 weapons, you instead need to train in 3 different areas! It's a trade off, nothing more. So decide carefully which of the two ship ideas you like prior to pursuing training. M8 if anything 800mm guns are better than 1400mm for killing small missle ships because they have better tracking and hold more ammo.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.10.11 21:22:00 - [152] Originally by: Lt Locke Originally by: Karl Borhman 800's are worthless against small close targets. You need 425's or 650's. Point being, if you want short range ship, get something that can tank it, like a phoon with AC's and CM launchers/torps/NOS. If you want long range and high damage go with a 'Pest, cause you won't be able to tank it without giving up some locking/tracking/damage mods. Also, whoever said if you don't have the skills stick with a phoon you may want to check your statement again. While it's true your skill level with guns doesn't need to be as high to use the phoon, you really do need missile, arty or ac guns, heavy drones and electronics skills to use the phoon right. So while the overall amount of sp needed doesn't mean you need T2 weapons, you instead need to train in 3 different areas! It's a trade off, nothing more. So decide carefully which of the two ship ideas you like prior to pursuing training. M8 if anything 800mm guns are better than 1400mm for killing small missle ships because they have better tracking and hold more ammo. 800 = short range 1400 = long range wtf are you talking about
Lt Locke	Posted - 2005.10.11 21:27:00 - [153] Well if you want to kill little missle boats from long range your forced to the bigger guns. but i didnt know thats what he was implying
Bigben	Posted - 2005.10.22 10:24:00 - [154] never use tempest for close range combat. use a megathron for that. tempest - sniper -best sniper in game megathron- best balster ship (close range) just use 1400mm2s all the way manchester united's best ever fan!
Dragy	Posted - 2005.10.25 18:49:00 - [155] but armor tank or shield tank ? just in case for med combat with 1400's with emp ... id be shield tank + dmg mods, is it good ?
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.10.25 20:04:00 - [156] Originally by: Bigben never use tempest for close range combat. use a megathron for that. tempest - sniper -best sniper in game megathron- best balster ship (close range) just use 1400mm2s all the way Tempest is the best close range ship actually. And megathron is a better sniper.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.10.27 00:08:00 - [157] Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Bigben never use tempest for close range combat. use a megathron for that. tempest - sniper -best sniper in game megathron- best balster ship (close range) just use 1400mm2s all the way Tempest is the best close range ship actually. And megathron is a better sniper. Just browsing threw the thread while on the test server running invuln shield setups for fun. Thought I would agree with Drunkenone on this being Autocannons have high falloff compared to blasters. So yeah, if you got the range on a mega he still has to approuch to use them blasters and guess who is already shooting with there guns before he is in range? You... So the Tempest with autocannons is pretty damn great unless you're webbed by a mega and totaly pimped out. My setup atm is Highs - 6xDual 650 Scouts, 1 Large Smartbomb, 1 Heavy NoS Medium - 3xHardners, XL, Warp Disruptor Lows - Gyro II's Simple setup for some fast tanking with raw damage for quick engagements on other gank ships. More of the anti-gank role which is popular among groups. -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Bruchpilot	Posted - 2005.10.27 00:57:00 - [158] My question to the guys playing with setups on testserver: Can the Tempest run a light shieldtank with invulnerablity fields (1 Hardener, XL SB and Cap booster) with semi-good resistances? Do the new res skills apply to activated invul. fields as well (since they should aply to passive modules only)? Thx in advance.
OrbitalEffect	Posted - 2005.10.27 01:26:00 - [159] Originally by: Bruchpilot Can the Tempest run a light shieldtank with invulnerablity fields Invulnerability fields... ick.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.10.27 02:10:00 - [160] Originally by: Bruchpilot My question to the guys playing with setups on testserver: Can the Tempest run a light shieldtank with invulnerablity fields (1 Hardener, XL SB and Cap booster) with semi-good resistances? Do the new res skills apply to activated invul. fields as well (since they should aply to passive modules only)? Thx in advance. Havn't tried that setup yet but the Invuln shield has been changed to 10 or 12 second cycle time (Keep forgetting) for like 40 energy. We got the new shield/armor tanking skills there and it's going to boost the Invuln shield up more. Which will suit a light tank well for 1 medium slot. Maybe even setups with 1 Invuln + your armor tanking if you can spare it. Which Tempest could very well do being it has 5 medium slots already. But that's gimping something else you could use it for. Either way I hope the invuln shield stays like this. I havn't got around to training the shield tanking skills but I did for the armor tanking ones. At level II it's 6% added onto my tech I armor hardner of 50%. So obviously thats 56% percent to my Thermal hardner. EM/Therm/Kin/Exp Shield Tanking Skills (4 total) - Tactical Shield IV EM/Therm/Kin/Exp Armor Tanking Skills (4 total) - Hull Upgrades IV BTW you get 1% stock resistance to the shield/armors now. I dono if it will stay like that or if it's a bug. So like the Invuln shield is what 25% then it has 1% added to it as well for 26%. If that matters any :p -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri

Plim	Posted - 2005.10.27 02:29:00 - [161] Originally by: Karl Borhman 800's are worthless against small close targets. You need 425's or 650's. Double web, and painter. -----------------
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.10.27 04:21:00 - [162] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Bigben never use tempest for close range combat. use a megathron for that. tempest - sniper -best sniper in game megathron- best balster ship (close range) just use 1400mm2s all the way Tempest is the best close range ship actually. And megathron is a better sniper. Just browsing threw the thread while on the test server running invuln shield setups for fun. Thought I would agree with Drunkenone on this being Autocannons have high falloff compared to blasters. So yeah, if you got the range on a mega he still has to approuch to use them blasters and guess who is already shooting with there guns before he is in range? You... So the Tempest with autocannons is pretty damn great unless you're webbed by a mega and totaly pimped out. My setup atm is Highs - 6xDual 650 Scouts, 1 Large Smartbomb, 1 Heavy NoS Medium - 3xHardners, XL, Warp Disruptor Lows - Gyro II's Simple setup for some fast tanking with raw damage for quick engagements on other gank ships. More of the anti-gank role which is popular among groups. a good autopest pilot should never lose to a blasterthron, unless your setup sucks. Cosmic Fusion KB
Raith	Posted - 2005.10.27 08:00:00 - [163] Cache cleared.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.10.27 08:32:00 - [164] ACpest with Smartbombs ftw. ACpest with Nos ftw. In general, ACpests ftw. Pest isn't only a sniper~ _______________________________ cd /usr/everaces/minmatar more\|moaning
Bigben	Posted - 2005.10.27 09:34:00 - [165] if you were going to go a an ac tempest and fit 650s ect.. you may as well go for a typhoon - about 30 mill cheaper - larger drone bay ( gives the intention by ccp to show that its a close range ship - better armor tanking - 8 highslots so the tempest really only has 2 more guns and it has a larger drone bay you should be using a megatron for blasters anyway dont go for a sniper setup otherwise you wouldnt be able to get the drones fighting that you have.. tempest is a much better sniper and it does more damage from far out.. nothing can match 1400mm2s - perfrectly striking for 2200 + thanks in my opionion use this setup high : 6 1400mm2s and 2 defenders loaded with rockets medium 2 sensor boosters 1 mwd 1 shild hardonor and a large sheild booster low 4 gyrobs 2s and 2 rcu2s and drone bay load ofmedium drones. manchester united's best ever fan!
JoCool	Posted - 2005.10.27 09:58:00 - [166] Groupcombat setup for medium range to semi-close range, old school: 2 Arbalest Siege Launchers 6 1400mm II Xlarge C5-L EM + Heat Hardener SB Amplifier Tracking Computer II, a Warp Disruptor or post patch a large shield extender II 1 Gyrostab II 1 Co Proc Unit II 4 Power Diagnostic Units II _______________________________________________________________________ Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel! Oveur > ohnoes jocool
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.10.27 10:07:00 - [167] Originally by: Bigben if you were going to go a an ac tempest and fit 650s ect.. you may as well go for a typhoon - about 30 mill cheaper - larger drone bay ( gives the intention by ccp to show that its a close range ship - better armor tanking - 8 highslots so the tempest really only has 2 more guns and it has a larger drone bay you should be using a megatron for blasters anyway dont go for a sniper setup otherwise you wouldnt be able to get the drones fighting that you have.. tempest is a much better sniper and it does more damage from far out.. nothing can match 1400mm2s - perfrectly striking for 2200 + thanks in my opionion use this setup high : 6 1400mm2s and 2 defenders loaded with rockets medium 2 sensor boosters 1 mwd 1 shild hardonor and a large sheild booster low 4 gyrobs 2s and 2 rcu2s and drone bay load ofmedium drones. Thanks, you dont have to post the same setup repeatedly :P Yes, congrats, you can use the Tempest as a sniper ship. But it can be used other ways, and in different situations, has different effects. Trying to say that there is a 'best' way to fit a ship is about as useful as asking what the 'best' ship is. _______________________________ cd /usr/everaces/minmatar more\|moaning
Raith	Posted - 2005.10.27 10:10:00 - [168] Edited by: Raith on 27/10/2005 10:12:51 Originally by: Testy Mctest ACpest with Smartbombs ftw. ACpest with Nos ftw. In general, ACpests ftw. Pest isn't only a sniper~ Quoted for truth, and the fact that you have a brillaint char name Basically, those that say a Tempest is a long range only boat are just wrong. There are so many good pilots here that will vouch that whilst long range Tempests with daft damage are great fun, the AC Tempest is the most viable for solo / small ops. The beauty of it is that you have so much to change and swap around with a Tempest. I can't really vouch for other Battleships as I don't fly them, but the Tempest has so many options. The rule here is to experiment, try NOS, try Neuts, try SmartBombs. Every situation dictates which fitting would be best (Smartbombs in Empire wars don't work well in close proximity with the station ) Those people out there that know me well enough will vouch for my experience of trying things out with the Tempest, as I vouch on them (Hast, Drunk and Darthy ). Its still taken over 2 years of trial and error and the thing still has more give in it. So thing of it this way, solo pvp and small ops you probably want a close range AC setup, Fleet you almost certianly want a 1400 setup. But then again, who knows with this ship... Have fun. Originally by: Hast Oh its on now, never mess with me when I'm going mining.
MacDuncan	Posted - 2005.10.27 10:25:00 - [169] Originally by: Bigben in my opionion use this setup high : 6 1400mm2s and 2 defenders loaded with rockets medium 2 sensor boosters 1 mwd 1 shild hardonor and a large sheild booster low 4 gyrobs 2s and 2 rcu2s and drone bay load ofmedium drones. Why should i use a MWD on a longe range setup? If i'm in need of mwd'ing, than there will be something utterly wrong!!!! --
Rindarr	Posted - 2005.10.27 10:31:00 - [170] i tested this setup on my tempie once 4 heavy nos, 4 dual 425mm's 100mn ab,web/scrambler,cap booster,sensor booster 2 large reps II, 3 hardners and i don't remember last low but it is very very limited on cpu u hafta have all named stuff for cpu saving othervise it aint fittin on

xaioguai	Posted - 2005.10.27 10:58:00 - [171] Originally by: Rindarr i tested this setup on my tempie once 4 heavy nos, 4 dual 425mm's 100mn ab,web/scrambler,cap booster,sensor booster 2 large reps II, 3 hardners and i don't remember last low but it is very very limited on cpu u hafta have all named stuff for cpu saving othervise it aint fittin on get a vamphoon!!!! will do about the same but lot cheaper
Evil Thug	Posted - 2005.10.27 11:09:00 - [172] Question to Raith and DrunkenOne. Viable setup for AC tempie for small groups. And few tips for old school sniper tempest pilot. Please ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust
FoRGyL	Posted - 2005.10.27 12:51:00 - [173] Originally by: Evil Thug Question to Raith and DrunkenOne. Viable setup for AC tempie for small groups. And few tips for old school sniper tempest pilot. Please Non of the 2 here BUT a boring setup as follow Well 6 650 TII a Nos a Smartbomb Web/scram/AB/Cap inje/Sensor /Booster,Target Painter or Disrup) Low some gyros and light armor tank if cap inj, on do a dual rep thingy Bored here ...work is SO fun for all of u that dind't know!!"#!"#ñ!"ñ -out- ********************************************************* Pay or don't!
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.10.27 13:11:00 - [174] Edited by: Testy Mctest on 27/10/2005 13:12:48 Originally by: xaioguai get a vamphoon!!!! will do about the same but lot cheaper Get a clue! Tempest has: more defenses (ok, so better tanking setup, but less stats) more cap more damage from its guns (and only using 4 guns, you want more damage). Fed up of these 'THAT IS PHOON NOT A TEMPEST LOLZOR' posts. To the guy who asked for an ACPest setup: 6x AC of choice (can argue this for years as to the best), 2x Heavy Nos/Large Smart Web, Scram, AB/MWD, Cap Charger, Tracking Disruptor Large Rep, 1600mm Nano(if AB) or Tungsten(if MWD), 3x Hardener, CPR I never decided whether I like MWD or AB best. Sometimes my cap gets low or Im on top of someone quickly anyway and I wish I had an AB instead of MWD, sometimes I'm miles away and I wish my AB was an MWD :P Im the same with Nos/Smart; I love Nos to death, I really do, but smartbombs tend to reduce missile damage quite well and add a good bit of defensive potential. But then, so does Nos. Oh, also try a very light tank (rep/plate) and some Gyros, its fun too :P I love Eve. No best way to do anything. So much choice! _______________________________ cd /usr/everaces/minmatar more\|moaning
xaioguai	Posted - 2005.10.27 13:31:00 - [175] Edited by: xaioguai on 27/10/2005 13:33:03 Originally by: Testy Mctest Edited by: Testy Mctest on 27/10/2005 13:12:48 Originally by: xaioguai get a vamphoon!!!! will do about the same but lot cheaper Get a clue! Tempest has: more defenses (ok, so better tanking setup, but less stats) more cap more damage from its guns (and only using 4 guns, you want more damage). Fed up of these 'THAT IS PHOON NOT A TEMPEST LOLZOR' posts. hmm.....if you really want to compare the 4NOS 4AC setup phoon with pest, perhap you should be the one need to get a clue. 1. does pest get more cap? 4250 with 940 sec recharge vs. 4000 with 870 sec recharge . so yes, pest get more base cap but no, cap per sec is actually less. 2. more defense on pest? yes with better base armor and shield but phoon get 1 more low, so.....i will not say pest is WAYYYY superior on this one. 3. more damage? more guns? are we talking about 4AC 4NOS setup here? if we compare with 4AC on pest with phoon, yes, pest get more dps from its damage bonus while phoon does not, but consider phoon gets 4 more drones than pest so i believe the dps of both ship are pretty close again. so at the end. GET A CLUE !!! and read the previous post thoroughly before replying. the guys setup can be duplicated with a vamphoon which cost millions less isk and that was my point.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.10.27 13:34:00 - [176] The setup can't be duplicated. You can mince words all you want, but at the end of the day, the pest is simply a better close range ship than the phoon. Anyone with any experience will tell you this. _______________________________ cd /usr/everaces/minmatar more\|moaning
Bruchpilot	Posted - 2005.10.27 17:12:00 - [177] Originally by: FoRGyL Originally by: Evil Thug Question to Raith and DrunkenOne. Viable setup for AC tempie for small groups. And few tips for old school sniper tempest pilot. Please Well 6 650 TII a Nos a Smartbomb Web/scram/AB/Cap inje/Sensor /Booster,Target Painter or Disrup) He asked for a longrange setup... Generaly I use 6 1400mm II (4 loaded with EMP and 2 with Fusion by default), 5-6 Gyrostabs (depending on skills) 2 small launcher filled with ligh missiles so you can scare of at least one Frig, but now you have 5 midslots to play with. I prefer using a light shieldtank (XL booster + EM hardener) and some sensorbooster/tracking computer/painter combo. It's up to preference. I like the shieldbooster, the EM hardener makes sure you don't recieve so much damage from Geddons/Apocs. I outlasted 4 Cruisers/Frigs in a small engagement so my mates could kill them, was pretty close though... It works good at medium ranges down to 20km. In small gangs of 4-5 BS setted up for damage and longrange guns it's wicked (a BS dies in the first volley). In Gangs consisting of just 2 BS a Geddon with 6 Tachyons and 7 damage mods is a good partner. Untanked BS dies in less than 9 seconds.
Kuningatar	Posted - 2005.10.27 17:14:00 - [178] I think he meant close range.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.10.27 17:20:00 - [179] Edited by: DrunkenOne on 27/10/2005 17:22:37 Originally by: Bigben if you were going to go a an ac tempest and fit 650s ect.. you may as well go for a typhoon - about 30 mill cheaper - larger drone bay ( gives the intention by ccp to show that its a close range ship - better armor tanking - 8 highslots so the tempest really only has 2 more guns and it has a larger drone bay you should be using a megatron for blasters anyway dont go for a sniper setup otherwise you wouldnt be able to get the drones fighting that you have.. The typhoon is the worst BS in the game. The tempest doesnt "only really have 2 more guns (which is already a 50% damage boost)," it has 2 25% bonuses while the phoon has 1 25% bonus, meaning the pest has like 12 guns while the phoon has like 6. Thats double the damage. The extra low doesnt matter because the phoon sucks. The extra 2 drones (OMG SO UBER) doesn't matter cause the phoon sucks. Quote: tempest is a much better sniper and it does more damage from far out.. nothing can match 1400mm2s - perfrectly striking for 2200 + thanks in my opionion use this setup high : 6 1400mm2s and 2 defenders loaded with rockets medium 2 sensor boosters 1 mwd 1 shild hardonor and a large sheild booster low 4 gyrobs 2s and 2 rcu2s and drone bay load ofmedium drones. And that setup sucks. Cosmic Fusion KB
FoRGyL	Posted - 2005.10.27 17:42:00 - [180] Edited by: FoRGyL on 27/10/2005 17:44:17 The phoon looks like a bottlecooler..how can u want it? well somthing in that way , the looks scare me more then the ship, when your on it why not fit nos/siege with 7 bcs and 3 painter and a mwd? Edit: will not fit on earth I suppose , see it as a baseline to work from . -out- ********************************************************* Pay or don't!



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