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CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:36:00 - [1] An optional patch will be deployed during downtime on Saturday, October 2 which will fix several issues reported to us following the release of Tyrannis 1.1. While the patch is optional, we would encourage everyone to apply the update to ensure your gameplay is improved over the weekend. The optional patch will be included in a future client update. A full list of updated patch notes can be found here. Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility. If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but you will none of the fixes applied. If you clicked 'No' in error you can still apply the patch by going to the ESC menu, General Settings and apply the patch from the 'Install' button there. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Ankbar	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:46:00 - [2] Any downside to saying "no"? And I realize this is kinda 'front-page' news, but you really should post the same thing in the Tyr 1.1 issues and feedback threads.

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Ankbar Any downside to saying "no"? And I realize this is kinda 'front-page' news, but you really should post the same thing in the Tyr 1.1 issues and feedback threads. There is no downside to saying "no" except that none of the fixes listed in the patch notes will be applied to your client. The fixes will be introduced at a later date so it will be installed at some point. As stated in the news article and in this thread, we highly recommend that you apply this patch. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:50:00 - [4] Why is this patch 'optional'?
Demitrios Di-Tron Heavy Industries BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:59:00 - [5] Edited by: Demitrios on 01/10/2010 19:00:31 Originally by: Corozan Aspinall Why is this patch 'optional'? Just in case you love **** poor code on a game you pay money for to test for ccp or, if you're not getting any issues, no need to install it. Both options aren't mutually exclusive.
Tobin Shalim Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:05:00 - [6] Will this fix the window unsticky bug? Please tell me it will. ----- Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
Cael Vhiran	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:06:00 - [7] Will this fix the problem many mac users are having where the patch runs but then tells you you need to reinstall eve?
Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:13:00 - [8] THANK YOU!!!
keirasu	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:17:00 - [9] Edited by: keirasu on 01/10/2010 19:19:26 Jhhheeeeezzzus..... stop your **ing and moaning. Yes problems arose with yesterday's patch, they came up with a fix the next day**. You can't always foresee bugs that will arise, but its not like CCP sat on their laurels when things went south. Anyway whining = annoying (yes, I'm prepared emotionally to be quoted and whined at) Edit: This is of course not directed at everyone in this post
GKO	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:17:00 - [10] will this let me join my mailing list again?

NARDAC	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:18:00 - [11] Patch note says the corp-mate icon wasn't showing for corps in allaince. Well, we are not in alliance, but the corp-mate doesn't show for us either. Hopefully they are fixing the corp-mate icon for all corps, not just ones in an alliance.
Electrojet Jetbuggy Mining	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:28:00 - [12] I see there's nothing in the patch notes about the problem I'm having: My client hangs when logging in on 'Acquiring Bulk Data 5/46'. My bulkdata folder is empty.
Ffenyx	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:32:00 - [13] Thank you for the warning that the game will probably not be playable most of the day tomorrow either. Now I can make plans!
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:39:00 - [14] it says scanner no longer plays error sound, does this mean you fixex THAT ONE INSTANCE of sound glitches? or do you mean you found the bug that screwed HALF OF THE SOUNDS in eve? including "lack of sound when clicking items in quickbar" "opening manufacture menu" "no drag and drop sound" and so on???
Calligular	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:40:00 - [15] Originally by: keirasu Edited by: keirasu on 01/10/2010 19:19:26 Jhhheeeeezzzus..... stop your **ing and moaning. Yes problems arose with yesterday's patch, they came up with a fix the next day**. You can't always foresee bugs that will arise, but its not like CCP sat on their laurels when things went south. Anyway whining = annoying (yes, I'm prepared emotionally to be quoted and whined at) Edit: This is of course not directed at everyone in this post Dont mean any emotional harm by this ;) but when people pay for a service, they expect it to work. The problem is, its not the first time this has happened and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree that the UI has always been buggy (One of the most buggiest UI's of a game i have ever used) In my humble opinion, it gives the impression of "we don't care" and makes CCP look unprofessional, which can't be good for any business. Saying that it's good that CCP brought a fix out the next day isn't the point, with the amount of bugs that showed up after the patch indicated to me, at least, that there may be possible concerns with bug testing. Just my two penny worth. Peace my friend :)
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:41:00 - [16] Originally by: keirasu You can't always foresee bugs that will arise, but its not like CCP sat on their laurels when things went south. Sure you can. You can actually test the stuff you send out. You can look at the bug reports people send in. By and large, they failed on both accounts with this one. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Prime	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:45:00 - [17] CCP, Why is this optional? whynot just rollback the 1.1 patch and bake it a week or 2 more until it really works? patching a patch that introduces about 50 regressions is just plain bad I am an IT professional, with more then 15 years doing this sort of thing, and what is happening here is just plain wrong. Rollback 1.1, Prime Beta testing eve since 2002Ö
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:48:00 - [18] Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 01/10/2010 19:49:18 Originally by: Prime CCP, Why is this optional? whynot just rollback the 1.1 patch and bake it a week or 2 more until it really works? patching a patch that introduces about 50 regressions is just plain bad I am an IT professional, with more then 15 years doing this sort of thing, and what is happening here is just plain wrong. Rollback 1.1, Prime Beta testing eve since 2002Ö I believe "optional" is code for "it may break more things but we are not sure." "Rollback" is admitting.."we messed up bigtime." So it will never happen.
Alowna	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:52:00 - [19] Quote: You can't always foresee bugs that will arise But surely these bugs could have been found before release. I mean, all they'd have to do is login and play around for 15 minutes..I just wish they did some proper testing before releasing a patch. Several hours late for a patch that breaks things instead of fixing them, great job, no really, good going.
Prime	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:53:00 - [20] i edited my response, to include the real problem with 1.1 stability! eve crashes now, randomly, and esp in missions... the optional patch notes DO NOT address this

Astroka	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:55:00 - [21] I see there's nothing about making the "Ships" and "Items" windows stop popping back to the top left corner. Impressive that CCP got a patch out the next day (even though most of these issues were already known about before 1.1 was released and should have already been fixed) but I still hope this can get fixed soon. ====================================== "Rawr" means "I love you" in dinosaur! ======================================
Alisha Whorable	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Calligular Originally by: keirasu Edited by: keirasu on 01/10/2010 19:19:26 Jhhheeeeezzzus..... stop your **ing and moaning. Yes problems arose with yesterday's patch, they came up with a fix the next day**. You can't always foresee bugs that will arise, but its not like CCP sat on their laurels when things went south. Anyway whining = annoying (yes, I'm prepared emotionally to be quoted and whined at) Edit: This is of course not directed at everyone in this post Dont mean any emotional harm by this ;) but when people pay for a service, they expect it to work. The problem is, its not the first time this has happened and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree that the UI has always been buggy (One of the most buggiest UI's of a game i have ever used) In my humble opinion, it gives the impression of "we don't care" and makes CCP look unprofessional, which can't be good for any business. Saying that it's good that CCP brought a fix out the next day isn't the point, with the amount of bugs that showed up after the patch indicated to me, at least, that there may be possible concerns with bug testing. Just my two penny worth. Peace my friend :) Seriously people, if you have issues with paying for a game that when an update comes out, then stop paying to play and move back to WOW or something like that. Running tests on a test server somtimes do not produce bugs that will appear on a live server, due to several factors. I could understand if CCP did nothign to fix it, but look they are already workign on it. If you think you can code a better game without any bugs then please feel free to go ahead and do it. Untill then tank CCP for the fun game your playing, and be patient. Just my 2 cents, and I don;t really care if you feel like bashing me for this post either.
Palovana Caldari Inner Fire Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Corozan Aspinall Why is this patch 'optional'? Speculation: It most likely contains client-side changes only. If all the issues can be fixed without making server-side code changes, the patch would be optional.
Tib3r Sept1m Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:03:00 - [24] Edited by: Tib3r Sept1m on 01/10/2010 20:03:43 Originally by: Atticus Fynch I believe "optional" is code for "it may break more things but we are not sure." "Rollback" is admitting.."we messed up bigtime." So it will never happen. I've never understood why this is so taboo. Why are companies so reluctant to admit fault on such trivial matters? More significantly, why are customers willing to settle for nothing less than perfection from them? Maybe I'm some crazy outlier, but I find it more comforting to hear "We made a mistake and are now doing our best to fix it," rather than "Nothing to see here. All is well. Carry on, citizen." Is being lied to really that much of a comfort to most people? I guess what I'm really saying is, "F*** spin." "Rest well this night, for tomorrow you sail for the kingdom... of Daggerfall." -Uriel Septim VII
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Alisha Whorable Seriously people, if you have issues with paying for a game that when an update comes out a few bugs pop up, then stop paying to play and move back to WOW or something like that. Seriously people, stop telling people to go back to WOW. If all you can do is preach to the player base that are not happy with a patch then you should seriously consider shutting the f**k up. [I dont think CCP appreciate you telling their paying customers to go elsewhere.]
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:03:00 - [26] I wish the current patch would have been optional.
WaywardWizard	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Alisha Whorable Edited by: Alisha Whorable on 01/10/2010 19:59:57 Originally by: Calligular Originally by: keirasu Edited by: keirasu on 01/10/2010 19:19:26 Jhhheeeeezzzus..... stop your **ing and moaning. Yes problems arose with yesterday's patch, they came up with a fix the next day**. You can't always foresee bugs that will arise, but its not like CCP sat on their laurels when things went south. Anyway whining = annoying (yes, I'm prepared emotionally to be quoted and whined at) Edit: This is of course not directed at everyone in this post Dont mean any emotional harm by this ;) but when people pay for a service, they expect it to work. The problem is, its not the first time this has happened and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree that the UI has always been buggy (One of the most buggiest UI's of a game i have ever used) In my humble opinion, it gives the impression of "we don't care" and makes CCP look unprofessional, which can't be good for any business. Saying that it's good that CCP brought a fix out the next day isn't the point, with the amount of bugs that showed up after the patch indicated to me, at least, that there may be possible concerns with bug testing. Just my two penny worth. Peace my friend :) Seriously people, if you have issues with paying for a game that when an update comes out a few bugs pop up, then stop paying to play and move back to WOW or something like that. Running tests on a test server somtimes does not produce bugs that will appear on a live server, due to several factors. I could understand if CCP did nothing to fix it, but look they are already workign on it. If you think you can code a better game without any bugs then please feel free to go ahead and do it. Untill then thank CCP for the fun game your playing, and be patient. Just my 2 cents, and I don't really care if you feel like bashing me for this post either. Seriously I have not been able to logon for 2 days because I have to download bulk data that resets the client when it gets to 5/46 how about they fix that little problem for me so that i can then maybe logon and see what else is gone belly up. I have been playing and paying for this game for over 4 years and i love it but when i can not even login to change my bloody skills then maybe the problem is not with my patience.
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Astroka I see there's nothing about making the "Ships" and "Items" windows stop popping back to the top left corner. Impressive that CCP got a patch out the next day (even though most of these issues were already known about before 1.1 was released and should have already been fixed) but I still hope this can get fixed soon. I can fix that for you right now. Press escape and link the ships and items windows into the station window. You wont look back As for the hotfix, thank the imaginary amarrian gods!
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:05:00 - [29] Optional patch? So the server isn't forcing the same version of the client anymore? Hopefully this will end well lol x EVE Garden
Palovana Caldari Inner Fire Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:10:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Navigator Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility. If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but you will none of the fixes applied. If you clicked 'No' in error you can still apply the patch by going to the ESC menu, General Settings and apply the patch from the 'Install' button there. Will a manual installer for this patch also be made available for those who can't use the automatic patching system?

zcar300 Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:13:00 - [31] Edited by: zcar300 on 01/10/2010 20:16:19 Originally by: Cael Vhiran Will this fix the problem many mac users are having where the patch runs but then tells you you need to reinstall eve? ^ This. And align to bookmarks yea!
Zaldoza Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:14:00 - [32] Not sure if its just a graphical glitch..But the wallet shows wrong numbers for bounty's, so that needs to be fixed as well after todays patch..
Iormungand Dark Electric Society Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Rasz Lin it says scanner no longer plays error sound, does this mean you fixex THAT ONE INSTANCE of sound glitches? or do you mean you found the bug that screwed HALF OF THE SOUNDS in eve? including "lack of sound when clicking items in quickbar" "opening manufacture menu" "no drag and drop sound" and so on??? I had this same problem a wile back, and believe it or not its not really an eve issue. Adjust your sound settings on your computer to a lesser setting i.e 5.1 surround to lets say stereo.
Swidgen	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:39:00 - [34] optional patch Optional?!?! :lolcp: Open up a whole new can of worms, why don't you? I can see it now... and it's not pretty (cough invalid build cough). Has this "optional patch" thing ever been done before? Has anyone actually tested it? Glad to see you're on top of the raft of problems introduced by the Tyrannis 1.1 patch, but tbh that patch should never have seen the light of day. At least the question of whether or not LOLCP does any QA testing at all has been finally answered beyond the shadow of a doubt. If I was an investor, I'd be mighty ****ed right about now. It's a travesty that something that bad could be foisted on your paying customers without any testing whatsoever. Polish up those resumes, boys and girls, the writing on the wall is pretty clear.
ThE AthEiiSt	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:41:00 - [35] CCP; Can't Code Properly. Sums this thread up, basically :)
Llewelyn Fawr	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:46:00 - [36] Originally by: Prime Edited by: Prime on 01/10/2010 19:51:21 CCP, Why is this optional? whynot just rollback the 1.1 patch and bake it a week or 2 more until it really works? patching a patch that introduces about 50 regressions is just plain bad the Optional patch DOES NOT address stability!, at all, here is the optional patch notes: Patch notes for Tyrannis 1.1 Optional Patch To be deployed October 2, 2010 User Interface * When opening the scanner the alert sound is no longer played. * Windows will now retain their correct size when you open and close them. * You can now view member hangars through the corporate hangar as intended. * Hiding passive modules in the HUD no longer hides all modules. * In the sovereignty dashboard only the first word in the location name was displayed. This has been fixed and the full name is shown correctly. * Resolved an issue where corporations who were part of an alliance had blue alliance stars against corporation members. The correct green star will show for corporation members. * If you moved a window half way off the screen it would bounce back into full view when you opened a new window. This has been fixed. * Certifications now show the level required for component skills. * Chat channels will no longer reset to the default positions every time the client is restarted. * Chat channel logs now show the channel name again as originally intended. The BIGGEST problem IMHO with 1.1 is that it randomly crashes! This is huge, and really should be addressed with the optional fix, and if you cannot, then unfortunately, rollback is the only intelligent way to proceed. I am an IT professional, with more then 15 years doing this sort of thing, and what is happening here is just plain wrong. Rollback 1.1, Prime Beta testing eve since 2002Ö This. Reworded patch-notes UI * Some **** that worked fine before but then got shafted might work again (but might not) but we may have shafted something else while not fixing it. Please test it for us and pay us for the privilege so we can re-invest the money in something other than fixing l a g! /Rant
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:47:00 - [37] I need no patch! I have no new bugs... like me, my client is perfect Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Crunchmeister Gallente Penumbra Military Industrial Complex Origin of Symmetry	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:01:00 - [38] Edited by: Crunchmeister on 01/10/2010 21:03:18 How about fixing the issue where I can actually activate my modules? How about letting me reload weapons in space rather than from the fitting window while docked only? Trying to reload my weapons in space (providing my modules actually activate) tells me I'm loading the wrong ammo type. How about letting me fit modules to an empty ship rather than giving me the "no free slots - free up some slots first" error? How about letting me see who's got negative standing in my local window? How about letting me see my agressed flashy targets in my overview (yes, my settings are correct)? I dunno, but I've got some major issues and it seems this "optional" patch seems to address only the minor annoyances. I'm basically stuck spinning ships in station on 3 accounts until the real bugs are addressed. Now THAT'S getting my $45/month worth!
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:06:00 - [39] Bets on what issues will crop up with this optional patch()? Clearly CCP can't be arsed to review their work for errors until their clients speak up in volume about their shoddy production values. CCP employees must be drinking the bubbly now that they are about to release their optional fix and go back to planning their next vacation as well as strategizing how to outsource more of their QA testing to 3rd world countries for pennies. After all, taking first class seats to tropical destinations isn't cheap! () - many if not most folks are experiencing several of the main bugs listed in the Tyrannis 1.1 issues thread. "Optional" isn't really.
Urgg Boolean	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:07:00 - [40] This optional patch scares me. Based upon all logistics of this situation that I can imagine, morons created and failed to test a garbage patch, now those same morons have a fix for us overnight? Yeah, right. I'm going to let some other brave soul "test pilot" it before I download the optional patch.

Twiagon	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:08:00 - [41] Old Lessons, new dogs.... CCP learnt years ago: - Most people play at weekends. - Most problems are created and therefore can be fixed, given time. - Most patches have some unforseen issues, small or large, so patch earlier than later. So, what has been forgotten here.. well, patches used to be Tuesday rather than Thursday and despite common sense, they didn't touch common code such as window snap locations, for example, without some long term testing (I have not seen any windows problems on Sisi - was I testing this change?). I am not happy with this patch, more so than any other and perhaps after 7 years I have come to expect some service that my tolerance is deserving.
Lex Avril	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:15:00 - [42] Will 3rd parties software (like EveMon, HQ, Meep ..) be affected in any way by this patch 1.2?
Xessej	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:15:00 - [43] At least the patch didn't delete boot.ini.
Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:15:00 - [44] Originally by: Crunchmeister How about letting me see who's got negative standing in my local window? How about letting me see my agressed flashy targets in my overview (yes, my settings are correct)? Confirming these rather mission critical bugs. Nearly got me dead in low sec today. Looking on the bright side .. its not really any different to playing EvE drunk.
Tokp Lotas nXo	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:18:00 - [45] Will be the next month supscrition "optional" too? Staff Member of www.eve-online.es
Llewelyn Fawr	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Corozan Aspinall Originally by: Crunchmeister How about letting me see who's got negative standing in my local window? How about letting me see my agressed flashy targets in my overview (yes, my settings are correct)? Confirming these rather mission critical bugs. Nearly got me dead in low sec today. Looking on the bright side .. its not really any different to playing EvE drunk. But playing EvE drunk with these issues......you're screwed!
FatherAzreal	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Intense Thinker I need no patch! I have no new bugs... like me, my client is perfect Same here, to me it looks like the patch didn't effect everyone, hence an optional patch, for those of us actually experiencing issues.
kongking wang	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:22:00 - [48] Edited by: kongking wang on 01/10/2010 21:26:03 optional patch. surely it cant get anymore worse than not being able to pay but still having to pay.i was crash out 5 times in less than 5 mins. hardly time to sort out my chat windows 5 times in a row. so what compensation we getting?
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:23:00 - [49] I've been asked by my friends "what it is you're not in EVE, and in here instead?" "They f-d royally", I answered and linked to feedbacks topic. "Erm, but, boy, the 'we don't know how to fix it so here's two ned bosses and a scary pet companion for ya' that's a Blizzard way of doing things. We've heard that CCP's famous for doing things right, what's happened?" - they replied. "They f-d royally", I answered second time and left everyone in frustration. Now, i'm curious. Will there be any explanation, how this royal.. (well, you got it?) was even possible to happen? -- Thanks CCP for cu
Crunchmeister Gallente Penumbra Military Industrial Complex Origin of Symmetry	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Corozan Aspinall Confirming these rather mission critical bugs. Nearly got me dead in low sec today. Looking on the bright side .. its not really any different to playing EvE drunk. lol Indeed. But in my case, I was searching for a target in high sec that SHOULD have been flagged to me, but wasn't. I was locked and fired upon before I even knew who was doing what to me. I hit my scram when I finally found out who was trying to kill me and it wouldn't activate. Luckily my gun group did and I was able to kill him before he got me or got away. And luckily, I managed to get him with the ammo I had in my gun. After the fight I tried to reload and got an error telling me that I couldn't load Fed Navy Antimatter S in my light neutron blaster II because it was the wrong ammo type. Only earlier, I tried to load some Scourge Fury into my heavy launcher II and got the same error. I hope these bugs get resolved sooner rather than later.

Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:39:00 - [51] Edited by: Othran on 01/10/2010 21:40:32 This sounds much like most other s/w companies' "recommended" updates. ie - something that you shouldn't apply under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES unless you are affected by what the recommended update claims to fix. Smacks of panic really - untested patch* followed by barely tested emergency "optional" patch. I'll pass. As has been said so many times before, how about getting some QA who have a clue? *its beyond belief that some of the UI changes were ever tested. Simple as - and if you say otherwise then you take us for fools.
Madner Kami Gallente Durendal Ascending Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:39:00 - [52] Edited by: Madner Kami on 01/10/2010 21:42:56 Originally by: FatherAzreal Originally by: Intense Thinker I need no patch! I have no new bugs... like me, my client is perfect Same here, to me it looks like the patch didn't effect everyone, hence an optional patch, for those of us actually experiencing issues. You're missing some logistic problems there, dude. Tyrannis PC 1.1 Tyrannis Mac 1.1 Tyrannis PC 1.1a Tyrannis Mac 1.1a Now CCP has to deal with four versions of the client as opposed to two, when the next patch comes around. What will happen then? Will there be four Incursion-expansion files? Doubt that, so there is just nothing optional about this patch, because you'll have to install it sooner or later. Also I can't shrug off the urge to read the quality of "optional" as "it fixes these issues, but it's even more shoehorned and rushed through QA then the previous patch, so if you install it and get problems, it's your fault".
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:43:00 - [53] Originally by: Tonto Auri I've been asked by my friends "what it is you're not in EVE, and in here instead?" "They f-d royally", I answered and linked to feedbacks topic. "Erm, but, boy, the 'we don't know how to fix it so here's two ned bosses and a scary pet companion for ya' that's a Blizzard way of doing things. We've heard that CCP's famous for doing things right, what's happened?" - they replied. "They f-d royally", I answered second time and left everyone in frustration. Now, i'm curious. Will there be any explanation, how this royal.. (well, you got it?) was even possible to happen? /me shakes magic 8-ball "Doubtful" -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members.
Raptor13fox Caldari Jian Products Engineering Group Blade.	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:44:00 - [54] guys..... Read the F-N patch info navigator linked and stop asking if it will fix this or that. IM sure it explains it all in the link for god sakes some of you are ignorant. I will not be held responsible for the effects of reading this post such as vomiting, blurry vision, hyperventilating, diarrhea, pimples, outburst of anger, sevier stupidity, and death
Yamato Achura	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Cael Vhiran Will this fix the problem many mac users are having where the patch runs but then tells you you need to reinstall eve? Who cares about mac users
Ivanna Nuke Gallente Wujen Corp	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:48:00 - [56] I would throw some isk at the fact that when CCP push about another mandatory patch ( 1.2 ? ) that people with the "optional: patch will have further troubles, and will be told to "download the full client and run a re-install*
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:49:00 - [57] Originally by: Twiagon Old Lessons, new dogs.... CCP learnt years ago: - Most people play at weekends. - Most problems are created and therefore can be fixed, given time. - Most patches have some unforseen issues, small or large, so patch earlier than later. So, what has been forgotten here.. well, patches used to be Tuesday rather than Thursday and despite common sense, they didn't touch common code such as window snap locations, for example, without some long term testing (I have not seen any windows problems on Sisi - was I testing this change?). I am not happy with this patch, more so than any other and perhaps after 7 years I have come to expect some service that my tolerance is deserving. QFT. Patch releases on a Tuesday or Wednesday have a far better chance of being addressed that same week with good quality. This allows for a tight turn around on the patch(es) as well as keeps those executing the patch home and obtaining rest on the weekend. As much as the Tyrannis 1.1 patch stinks, I want to see CCP personnel have the weekend off in order to be well-rested for the coming week of 'oh **** we really need to review our patch release processes and here is what we are going to do.' Well-rested CCP employees give us paying clients a better chance of having a working game when the next patch comes around. CCP employees who are over-worked will continue to put out **. This assumes that CCP employees, their management team and their investors give two **s about the quality of their product. Yeah, I know...
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:51:00 - [58] Originally by: Raptor13fox guys..... Read the F-N patch info navigator linked and stop asking if it will fix this or that. IM sure it explains it all in the link for god sakes some of you are ignorant. Ah my friend, one of the first lessons to learn about CCP patch notes is that they have become increasingly devoid of information over the past year. In other words: We could read the updated patch notes until we are blue in the face, but CCP will still omit much of what they changed.
Demitrios Di-Tron Heavy Industries BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:53:00 - [59] Edited by: Demitrios on 01/10/2010 21:56:21 Originally by: Alisha Whorable Edited by: Alisha Whorable on 01/10/2010 19:59:57 Seriously people, if you have issues with paying for a game that when an update comes out a few bugs pop up, then stop paying to play and move back to WOW or something like that. Running tests on a test server somtimes does not produce bugs that will appear on a live server, due to several factors. I could understand if CCP did nothing to fix it, but look they are already workign on it. If you think you can code a better game without any bugs then please feel free to go ahead and do it. Untill then thank CCP for the fun game your playing, and be patient. Just my 2 cents, and I don't really care if you feel like bashing me for this post either. 1, you think wow has 0 bugs when it comes to patches, cause i doubt it. 2, some of the bugs that have come about could have been fully detected on sisi, like corp mates showing up as alliance mates? doubt a hardware change would make that bug. 3, by saying "Untill then thank CCP for the fun game your playing", you assume that people, such as my self, havnt had enough of ccp's bull****, and have decided to leave. Now obviously people arent leaving by their thousands, but just keep an eye on the quarterly economic thingy where it says how many new people have joined, then look at how many people over that time have been connected to eve, cause i'll bet 50m that it will average to the same, no matter how many new accounts have been made. Also this isnt bashing you at all, its just with all the crap we, as paying customers, have had to swallow from ccp, i'm personally sick of it. ROLL ON 12th OF DECEMBER! :P (and no, you cant have my stuff...)
Verlaine Glariant	Posted - 2010.10.01 22:04:00 - [60] Align to bookmark! About time! THANK YOU!!!!!

ScouseTBE	Posted - 2010.10.01 22:05:00 - [61] Will this be the fix for the wallet as its not showing up the full bounty and sales on contract or market and will we get all the ISK back also will it fix the corp from blue back to green
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.10.01 22:06:00 - [62] Originally by: CCP Navigator An optional patch will be deployed during downtime on Saturday, October 2 which will fix several issues reported to us following the release of Tyrannis 1.1. While the patch is optional, ...... My subscription fees are optional. You do know this, don't you? I'm beginning to think they're more optional than your game.
Maximilian Black Techno-Wizard Industrial Technologies	Posted - 2010.10.01 22:18:00 - [63] Originally by: keirasu Edited by: keirasu on 01/10/2010 19:19:26 Jhhheeeeezzzus..... stop your **ing and moaning. Think before you speak. 1.1 wiped out some of my notes and CCP is offering no way to restore them, only telling me that it happens sometimes. Very uncool. Paying customer loses data, company effectively says 'tough '. Wouldn't you be **ed off? Whether or not they came up with a patch the next day is utterly irrelevant. There were some blatant bugs that should have been caught BEFORE 1.1 was released. As a professional software development manager I should know. It's not cool to talk down to others that are experiencing legit problems caused by a buggy new version of a product we're paying for.
Maximilian Black Techno-Wizard Industrial Technologies	Posted - 2010.10.01 22:23:00 - [64] Originally by: Alisha Whorable Seriously people, if you have issues with paying for a game that when an update comes out a few bugs pop up, then stop paying to play and move back to WOW or something like that. Running tests on a test server somtimes does not produce bugs that will appear on a live server, due to several factors. I could understand if CCP did nothing to fix it, but look they are already workign on it. If you think you can code a better game without any bugs then please feel free to go ahead and do it. Untill then thank CCP for the fun game your playing, and be patient. Just my 2 cents, and I don't really care if you feel like bashing me for this post either. Um, yeah, ok, professional game developer here in my past career for almost 9 years for big publishers everyone in here has heard of. And you know what? There's a history of buggy patches released and shoddy craftsmanship in them. Remember not too terribly long ago when the entire game was down for a day or two? Or a previous patch that screwed things up? And now this patch that deletes some customer data and makes the game unplayable for some that are paying for it? I'd say the venom is quite warranted, thanks. Defending shoddy workmanship won't make you any friends.
Raxonika	Posted - 2010.10.01 22:26:00 - [65] I'm with the complaining guy. I get tired of people putting out PC games and add ons for games and expecting the players to do their play testing for them. You don't get this on consoles. It 's rubbish and there is no excuse. Other online games play test on test servers to iron out all of this stuff before they deploy. I'm just randomly crashing all the time - so I can't do anything risky at all and will now give up. Don't defend poor servicer. If you want that, go and play shareware games where there is no contract of service. Rax
Maximilian Black Techno-Wizard Industrial Technologies	Posted - 2010.10.01 22:26:00 - [66] Originally by: ThE AthEiiSt CCP; Can't Code Properly. Sums this thread up, basically :) And we have a winner! :lol:
Maximilian Black Techno-Wizard Industrial Technologies	Posted - 2010.10.01 22:31:00 - [67] Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara We could read the updated patch notes until we are blue in the face, but CCP will still omit much of what they changed. Sometimes I have to wonder if CCP even knows what it changed. The 1.1 patch shows they clearly had no grasp on everything that was impacted before they released it.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.01 22:45:00 - [68] Originally by: Twiagon (I have not seen any windows problems on Sisi - was I testing this change?). You was blind or only logged for Sep 25'th masstest. Thei changes were on SiSi for more than a month and most of these bugs was committed. (The least part of them wasn't for being apparent for everyone and their mom) -- Thanks CCP for cu
DrysonBennington	Posted - 2010.10.01 23:14:00 - [69] Optional meaning that like a thermometer we can either take it in the but* of via the mouth. Let's just hope that optional doesn't mean in the but* first then into mouth. *inserts foot into mouth.
Jejju	Posted - 2010.10.01 23:17:00 - [70] Optional means that it hasn't been through the rigourous QA that 'official' patches get. Enjoy.

Hra Neuvosto The 8th Order	Posted - 2010.10.01 23:40:00 - [71] Not downloading this before seeing the responses. Optional patch... something like this should not happen.
Toovhon	Posted - 2010.10.01 23:58:00 - [72] Originally by: Jejju Optional means that it hasn't been through the rigourous QA that 'official' patches get. Enjoy. "rigorous QA" my arse. -- Frog blast the vent core!
Galphram NefreX	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:01:00 - [73] Optional patch, seriously, like any of the FIXES are option, Get a clue.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:11:00 - [74] Originally by: Galphram NefreX Optional patch, seriously, like any of the FIXES are option, Get a clue. Get a brain. If they can deliver this patch through mechanics that unlikely to break game even further, say thanks for it. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Alathus Christensen Caldari Blue Sun Enterprises	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:11:00 - [75] A couple of things that should also be addressed: POS Hangars, while viewed in the "ICON" view-mode, can sometimes lock up and become completely inaccessible. Switch your view mode to "LIST" or "DETAILS", and you should be able to move these items. Since no workaround has been published, I'll do it. Stuck modules? Module lag? Auto-overheat? Come on, CCP. We pay to play this game, and in doing so pay the wages of each and every CCP Employee. This patch is an atrocity, and you know it. I never thought I'd say this.. but.. Bring back Dominion 1.0 (Sound familiar, roll back to Apocrypha guize? ) Just my opinion. -=- -=- Onoes! Space Miens! -=- -=- Alathus Christensen
Dy Morphin Gallente Cloak and Daggers -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:14:00 - [76] All the complaining just says ONE THING. They love to play EVE and when they can't for even a FEW days (regardless if you pay or not) means you are a complete EVE addict. In some ways, CCP screwing up EVE entirely just to get you off the crack may actually be a GOOD thing for you.
Goobai Vapor	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:22:00 - [77] Or, it could mean that some people actually has jobs M-F, and thus only get any kind of real play time Fri - Sun. But hey, whatever floats your tinfoil hat.
Luke S Zeta Corp.	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:24:00 - [78] Originally by: Ankbar Any downside to saying "no"? And I realize this is kinda 'front-page' news, but you really should post the same thing in the Tyr 1.1 issues and feedback threads. There was a patch in the past that was suppose to do some fixes. Yet it ended up braking the client more. Some people had problems before they patched, others didn't. when it was patched the people who didn't have problems with their client, got problems with the patch. I was one of them that complained about the patch when I installed it. at the Time I did not see any problems. I only ran into the bug once, yet it was easily avoidable. once I patched it, I had to reinstall eve. ---
Kesper North Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:33:00 - [79] Here's a question: Does the corp diplo role apply to setting alliance standings as well? For instance, can a diplo in the executor corp of an alliance set standings for the alliance as well as for the corp? Previously this could only be done by directors. This would allow junior diplomats to be able to set standings without having full wallet access or the ability to push butan, which is awesome (or terrible if you're an enemy spy/disgruntled employee). -- Killed me? Read about it in my blog! Northern Lights: Solo PVP in EVE Online
Zdrahonul Gallentor Gallente Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:36:00 - [80] Originally by: Raxonika I'm with the complaining guy. I get tired of people putting out PC games and add ons for games and expecting the players to do their play testing for them. You don't get this on consoles. It 's rubbish and there is no excuse. Let me explain, please. Now I am not defending anyone, I simply understand the complexity of such a game and furthermore the complexity of the PC World. I agree with you: you don't get such a large array of issues on consoles. But did you ask yourself why? Because all consoles are identical. You test on ONE console and fix all the bugs? You are sure that ALL consoles behave in the same way. This is completely UNtrue for PCs. PCs are modular. Your hardware differs from my hardware; your SOFTWARE differs from my software. A lot. It doesn't matter if we run the same operating system; for each piece of hardware in my PC, there's a driver running; you have different hardware, you will have different drivers. Also, don't forget the impact installed software can have on your machine. Think DLL Hell (or Dependency Hell if you want to be more generic); There's a gazillion and one things that might go wrong because you have some poorly written driver/resident app that messes up with the video hardware overlay or keyboard hooking for this and that shortcut; and in such a light, designing and maintaining a complex app such as EVE Online Client is like a dance in a storm of bullets. Some people might get hit; some lightly (sound issues), some heavily (client crashes on start). Want to check whether your machine is to blame? Install a test OS on a separate HDD, test it thoroughly for stability (all drivers, all basic software), don't put anything else on it, save an image of that HDD as back-up, install the client, test for issues and whenever there's a patch, restore the image from back-up, install the new version, test it. THAT is some basic testing. CCP can't test everything for every hardware+software combination of every PC out there. I met this guy a few years ago, he was all in arms about some forgotten game which was crashing on his machine constantly, so he asked my help in checking out what the problem was. Turned out that half of the games he owned did crash/error out/exhibit issues of some sort, and of course he blamed the game makers for all the problems. However, he had no antivirus. I'll let you guess what happened when I checked his machine for malware/viruses. Of course SOME of the issues people encounter are indeed solely the game's fault. It'+s a COMPLEX game however, and I am always amazed by its sheer complexity. It's no easy feat to flawlessly patch such a monster. Imagine you have a giant castle made of playing cards, and want to add a tower to it. There's a high chance things are going to get nasty, even if you take all the precautions. And for the guy asking for a rollback, I will make a rather stupid analogy. Let's assume you make soup and put too much salt in it. There are angry customers waiting for the damn soup. You can't just throw it away and make another, they will bludgeon you to death. You can't "undo" the salt. It happens. So all you can do is try and fix it. It may not please all tastes, but that's a risk you are willing to take. And you patch it, then patch the patch and so on. A more EVE-like example is: Let's assume CCP introduces the Noctis and it exhibits a really ugly bug (hull is -1 and it blows upon undocking). Hours after it's launched, reports start pouring in. The obvious thing would be to rollback until issue is fixed. But how about all those people who traded BPOs of that ship, who contracted ships to others and so on? Do you, um, I don't know, erase all the contracts? Lose all the learned skillpoints? I wouldn't say you would. 61 characters left, gotta stop :) ...gis sdrawkcaB

WisdomPanda	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:47:00 - [81] Edited by: WisdomPanda on 02/10/2010 00:51:24 If anyone thinks they can do better - apply for a job at CCP and step up or shut up. EvE is a unique beast in the MMO scene from a dev stand point, the only thing that really comes close would be a large distributed database network (as opposed to single server clusters), however those networks aren't feature driven - people don't expect you to add bling to your DB's, they just expect it to work. Not so with an MMO. So I implore the use of common sense; Not all experiences you "IT Professionals" (no insult implied, it' just rather vague for most people) have can carry over, nor can you really have a clue as to the internal workings. We can all only take educated guesses. In before "DID HE SAY COMMON SENSE?!"; Edit: The reason you don't get as many on consoles (They still have MANY bugs/patches on console games. FYI.) is simply because it is a single unified platform, where it IS possible to fully lab test something with a good degree off accuracy. When you set up a mirror image of TQ in your basement, let CCP know, 'mmmkay?
Demitrios Di-Tron Heavy Industries BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:59:00 - [82] Edited by: Demitrios on 02/10/2010 00:59:49 Originally by: Zdrahonul Gallentor wall of text Thanks for posting something no one will ever read...
Demitrios Di-Tron Heavy Industries BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.10.02 01:14:00 - [83] Edited by: Demitrios on 02/10/2010 01:15:43 Originally by: WisdomPanda Edited by: WisdomPanda on 02/10/2010 00:51:24 If anyone thinks they can do better - apply for a job at CCP and step up or shut up. EvE is a unique beast in the MMO scene from a dev stand point, the only thing that really comes close would be a large distributed database network (as opposed to single server clusters), however those networks aren't feature driven - people don't expect you to add bling to your DB's, they just expect it to work. Not so with an MMO. So I implore the use of common sense; Not all experiences you "IT Professionals" (no insult implied, it' just rather vague for most people) have can carry over, nor can you really have a clue as to the internal workings. We can all only take educated guesses. In before "DID HE SAY COMMON SENSE?!"; Edit: The reason you don't get as many on consoles (They still have MANY bugs/patches on console games. FYI.) is simply because it is a single unified platform, where it IS possible to fully lab test something with a good degree off accuracy. When you set up a mirror image of TQ in your basement, let CCP know, 'mmmkay? You also seem to be forgetting 1 thing, these bugs have nothing to do with a specific platform or setup, these bugs are there no matter what you are running, pc, mac or linux. So for me, your argument about we should expect bugs on pc games is flawed. I will agree how ever that it is easier to bug hunt on consoles, as a day 1 360 is basically the same as a new one. Also as a troll, if you did set up a mirrow image of tq in your basement, contacting ccp is one of the last things i would do, i dont like being sued ;)
Woodman57	Posted - 2010.10.02 01:22:00 - [84] Considering that I play almost everyday for a few hours, and that I only pay 50 cents to play per day, I'm pretty happy with the game. I'm old enough to remember the 90s where some online games charged by the hour, and you had to pay your isp by the hour and sometimes you had to pay the phone company by the minute for the long distance call. But since everyone else is whining, I'll join in. 1. My corp chat window disappears and I can't get it back without relogging. 2. Some mods won't activate,(tractor beams) while some won't deactivate (after burners) 3. I see double in overview, and everything in the last 2 systems I warped through stay in the overview. Given that I can't turn some things on or turn others off, the game for me is unplayable until the new patch is released. Good luck with that CCP.
Demitrios Di-Tron Heavy Industries BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.10.02 01:32:00 - [85] Edited by: Demitrios on 02/10/2010 01:32:39 So because we put up with that in the 90's, we shouldnt expect anything better 10-20 years later? Also i fail to see how complaining about broken patches, unwanted features and the lack of fixing what we have at the moment constitutes as whining? If only i didnt whine to the company i bought my new car from when it broke down after 2 months (ecu died).
zoltar pdp Di-Tron Heavy Industries BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.10.02 01:34:00 - [86] I have been a programmer for some years and now i'm in the QA department of a web agency. If I release a product that fails as hard as EvE has failed the last 3 patches, first I get a warning, next i'm fired. JUST SAYING. The low standards you have with your QA department is getting ******ed patch after patch. START HIRING DECENT PROFESSIONALS.
Demitrios Di-Tron Heavy Industries BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.10.02 01:39:00 - [87] tbh zoltar, i assume the code monkeys at ccp are professionals, what is normally the case is upper and senior management who dont have a clue what is involved, so they say "we want walking in stations on Eve: Donkey Spunk. You have 6 months... GO!". Or at least i hope its that.
Woodman57	Posted - 2010.10.02 01:50:00 - [88] Demitrios, when you post over and over after you've already stated your case, it kind of sounds like whining.
Demitrios Di-Tron Heavy Industries BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.10.02 01:54:00 - [89] Forgive me for trying to understand other peoples points...
Solver Bear Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.02 02:10:00 - [90] Has anyone ever mentioned that fixing the cursor anchoring is missing in the patch notes?

Dy Morphin Gallente Cloak and Daggers -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.10.02 02:33:00 - [91] I still think your ALL on crack...and CCP has gone corporate and can't even test properly. The game is getting so complex with Dust 514 and PI and Incarna and and and and... I worry it is getting too complex. (oh and the LAG problem ) I wish CCP would understand that a massive test department is just as important as everything else.
Lev Aeris b.b.k Saints Amongst Sinners	Posted - 2010.10.02 02:55:00 - [92] Thank you for giving me my green stars back.
superstrong	Posted - 2010.10.02 02:55:00 - [93] Seems some are having problems with the overview now. I personally cant launch drones , the drone overview continues to default back to your set overview and will not allow the deployment of drones, every time you move the mouse to the drone launch it defaults back to original overview. Also at gates every time you depress your talk key while in eve chat the overviews flip back to original instead of select. I hope they address this soon, if you get killed as a result of an inability to destroy frigates that are warp scamming you while in an heavy amar mission then am i going to get , (oh sorry we couldn't find any problems tough luck?) or trying to jump a gate and the overview is not working properly and your in low sec? What then? Is anyone experiencing these issues?
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2010.10.02 02:58:00 - [94] Edited by: Solbright on 02/10/2010 02:59:39 Originally by: Dy Morphin I still think your ALL on crack...and CCP has gone corporate and can't even test properly. The game is getting so complex with Dust 514 and PI and Incarna and and and and... I worry it is getting too complex. (oh and the LAG problem ) I wish CCP would understand that a massive test department is just as important as everything else. Umm, no, Eve has always been a throw it out there and see what breaks production. This behavior hasn't changed from day one. ----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up!
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2010.10.02 03:03:00 - [95] Originally by: CCP Navigator Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility. If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but you will none of the fixes applied. If you clicked 'No' in error you can still apply the patch by going to the ESC menu, General Settings and apply the patch from the 'Install' button there. This will be interesting to see if offline patching works ... ----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up!
Calligular	Posted - 2010.10.02 03:25:00 - [96] Sorry to all those that say we shouldn't whine, but when something as basic as the UI goes wrong, to the extent that you have window problems, then as far as I'm concerned, that is extremely shoddy. I mean, for gods sake, the UI is something that everyone who plays EvE has to use and look at..... if anything, it should be the one thing that has to be spot on, no excuses. If you paid for faulty goods, you'd complain to the shop you bought it from, and if they continued to offer faulty goods, you simply wouldn't shop there any more. In the country that i live in, there is a small piece of retail law, that says that the goods which are for sale must be fit for the purpose they are sold for.... the Eve UI is supposed to let you play the game, evidently, a lot of people cant, there for it is unfit for purpose. I pay for this game, i expect it to work!!
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.10.02 03:26:00 - [97] Originally by: CCP Navigator An optional patch will be deployed during downtime on Saturday, October 2 which will fix several issues reported to us following the release of Tyrannis 1.1. While the patch is optional, we would encourage everyone to apply the update to ensure your gameplay is improved over the weekend. The optional patch will be included in a future client update. A full list of updated patch notes can be found here. Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility. If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but you will none of the fixes applied. If you clicked 'No' in error you can still apply the patch by going to the ESC menu, General Settings and apply the patch from the 'Install' button there. Allegedly, that is it might do that and it might download a POS corrupt file ask you to repair it then fail to do so and never try to download it again or do anything useful other than waste your time, in which case you'll want to download it manually and have a few beers. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members.
Jarlexly Bregan Dearthe	Posted - 2010.10.02 04:57:00 - [98] Hi, after Tyrannis 1.1 patch, when we logged in most corp members seeing eachother in "Corp chat" Neutral or high standing emblem, after this we asked to our allies and friends to check this, they confirm that they are having same problem. This is at chat lists not in overview. At space everything is in proper. i hope they fixed it.
Milch Russ	Posted - 2010.10.02 05:21:00 - [99] Games will have flaws. Period. There is not a game out there that is perfect, much less a MMO. I realize there may be big problems, but seriously just state your problems. Whining and moaning have never fixed a game. Anyone expecting instant fixes should also know better. If they could make the game work perfectly they would, but it is complex and not everything is as simple to fix as you wish or think.
Cuchulain Spartan	Posted - 2010.10.02 05:39:00 - [100] Edited by: Cuchulain Spartan on 02/10/2010 05:40:43 Originally by: zoltar pdp I have been a programmer for some years and now i'm in the QA department of a web agency. If I release a product that fails as hard as EvE has failed the last 3 patches, first I get a warning, next i'm fired. JUST SAYING. The low standards you have with your QA department is getting ******ed patch after patch. START HIRING DECENT PROFESSIONALS. I do a lot of programming in my line of works, all related to pharmaceutical and drug manufacture. If I produced code that was even 5% as bad as CCP's level of quality id: A) Be fired B) Be sued for 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand $ C) Never find employment again D) Cost my employer 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand E) Kill off a significant amount of lab animals F) Delay the shipment of critical medication to terminaly ill patients You CCP staff have it easy being kept employed after these latest patches! Come on, put a little more effort in, I believe

Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.10.02 05:44:00 - [101] Was there any resolution to the issue of already-training skills getting 40-50% time added to them?
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.02 05:51:00 - [102] Originally by: Cuchulain Spartan I do a lot of programming in my line of works, all related to pharmaceutical and drug manufacture. If I produced code that was even 5% as bad as CCP's level of quality id: A) Be fired B) Be sued for 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand $ C) Never find employment again D) Cost my employer 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand E) Kill off a significant amount of lab animals F) Delay the shipment of critical medication to terminaly ill patients You CCP staff have it easy being kept employed after these latest patches! Come on, put a little more effort in, I believe Phew, it's a good thing you don't also have to spell properly to get that critical medication out to terminally ill patients. Cause of death: Improper use of a gerund.
Sal Alo Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.10.02 06:45:00 - [103] Originally by: ThE AthEiiSt CCP; Can't Code Properly. Sums this thread up, basically :) C++ Cancelled for Python
Chromoburst	Posted - 2010.10.02 07:03:00 - [104] Come on guys give them a break, bugs happen. There is a certain balance between bug testing, cost, and time. If things break you do your best to fix it. Thats just the way this industry works. Regarding Whinging vs Flaming: Saying CCP is full of terrible programmers and technicians is just ******ed. They've developed a cutting edge piece of software and have made technological history with this game. On the other hand saying that you want some bug fixed has a constructive effect as these complaints form the chorus that is the voice of CCP's customer base and have an effect on future development. So stop flaming CCP and just state your concerns like adults and respect one another for crying out loud.
Ebisu Kami	Posted - 2010.10.02 07:11:00 - [105] Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 02/10/2010 07:12:49 Originally by: Chromoburst Come on guys give them a break, bugs happen. There is a certain balance between bug testing, cost, and time. If things break you do your best to fix it. Thats just the way this industry works. Seeing that many of the bugs of this patch were already known and reported over on SiSi, I think it's easy to disagree with that opinion. This is happening time and again and either they have to give more time for QA, their bug-traking system needs a serious rethought or those, who push such silly decissions before thinking about it, should get off their chair and a boot to the ass. Originally by: Chromoburst Regarding Whinging vs Flaming: Saying CCP is full of terrible programmers and technicians is just ******ed. They've developed a cutting edge piece of software and have made technological history with this game. On the other hand saying that you want some bug fixed has a constructive effect as these complaints form the chorus that is the voice of CCP's customer base and have an effect on future development. So stop flaming CCP and just state your concerns like adults and respect one another for crying out loud. Past deeds are no excuse for future or even present failings. If you were the best and want to stay the best, you have to keep trying to be the best.
Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2010.10.02 07:12:00 - [106] Sorry can't see any fix about the language input issue which will double what you just entered. For example a "屌, ㅓㅑ "， will be "屌屌, , ㅓㅓㅑㅑ " after the 1.1 patch. If I disable the EVE IME the then I can't see any characters to choose. I have to say it is somewhat serious because chating is one of the most improtant gameplay for some ppl include me.
Endrin Tremmel	Posted - 2010.10.02 07:49:00 - [107] Originally by: ThE AthEiiSt CCP; Can't Code Properly. Sums this thread up, basically :) Then don't play the game. Why don't you try creating a game that is bug free. This is something I do not say lightly but... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. I'm sorry but you are a complete idiot if you think you are going to code a perfect game. If you can manage it thought, expect my $15 a month. If you ever create a game and state for a fact that it is and always will be bug free and cannot deliver? Well now... You'll know why I called you an idiot. Basically... **** you very much for your useless comment.
Endrin Tremmel	Posted - 2010.10.02 07:57:00 - [108] Originally by: Milch Russ Games will have flaws. Period. There is not a game out there that is perfect, much less a MMO. I realize there may be big problems, but seriously just state your problems. Whining and moaning have never fixed a game. Anyone expecting instant fixes should also know better. If they could make the game work perfectly they would, but it is complex and not everything is as simple to fix as you wish or think. Amen
Mrs Retina	Posted - 2010.10.02 08:07:00 - [109] Good thinking making the patch "optional". That way if someone experiences problems with it then it's their own damn fault for installing the damn thing! Who said CCP were dumb?
Endrin Tremmel	Posted - 2010.10.02 08:18:00 - [110] Edited by: Endrin Tremmel on 02/10/2010 08:25:31 Originally by: Cuchulain Spartan Edited by: Cuchulain Spartan on 02/10/2010 05:40:43 Originally by: zoltar pdp I have been a programmer for some years and now i'm in the QA department of a web agency. If I release a product that fails as hard as EvE has failed the last 3 patches, first I get a warning, next i'm fired. JUST SAYING. The low standards you have with your QA department is getting ****ed patch after patch. START HIRING DECENT PROFESSIONALS. I do a lot of programming in my line of works, all related to pharmaceutical and drug manufacture. If I produced code that was even 5% as bad as CCP's level of quality id: A) Be fired B) Be sued for 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand $ C) Never find employment again D) Cost my employer 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand E) Kill off a significant amount of lab animals F) Delay the shipment of critical medication to terminaly ill patients You CCP staff have it easy being kept employed after these latest patches! Come on, put a little more effort in, I believe Do you guys not think before posting? THIS IS A GAME THAT CHANGES THOROUGHLY EVERY 6 MONTHS! If this was a pharmaceutical business, you wouldn't be a customer unless you are a hard core drug addict that didn't care what he was injecting. This game is the most complex game EVER created. If CCP was a normal "safe" game production company, this game would totally suck. This game lives on the bleeding edge. If you can't handle that then go play a simpleton game like WoW. If you want features, twice a year expansions (to further the complexity and awesomeness), enormous fleet battles, and friends you will know for years since no one ever actually ever quits this game, then stop your damn complaining. You guys sound like a bunch of adolescent girls with blood in their pants for the first time. I'm well aware of the fact this game has a learning curve more similar to a brick wall and that's why I like it. I hate simple games. If this was a simple game... with the CCP staff, then hell yea, ** would get fixed before you knew it was broke. Unfortunately, you decided to pick the pioneer of game development, which in turn requires immense efficiency the likes of which will never be born. Be happy they are so quick to address common issues.

inza onoa Cruentus Invicta	Posted - 2010.10.02 08:30:00 - [111] Edited by: inza onoa on 02/10/2010 08:32:46 CCP devs or CEO, are you sniffing Coke during worktime (and after worktime) alot? Rollback of tyrannis 1.1 seems to be the ONLY logical option. ROLLBACK the darn thing, and in future try to be more carefull, as in test updates more carefully, before you go live with a new patch. The only thing you do now is: - you waste your time, but also the time of your consumers aka the players. - you hurt your name by messing up so much with all those unwanted patches, downtimes, introducing of so many new bugs before you fixed the old ones.
Efraya Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.02 08:38:00 - [112] Dear CCP, I have just embarked on my Software Development career. I have gained a great deal of appreciation at the sheer complexity of sometimes, very simple systems. You are providing an excellent product and the example you provide other development houses regarding fan fest's, CSM and general community interaction is exemplary. Thanks for all the hard work, Ef. Dear players of eve, HTFU... Ef. Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Rieleph	Posted - 2010.10.02 08:40:00 - [113] I just wanna my Coolant and Mechanical Parts back. I've had about 5-10mil isk worth product on a planet (all long night production, only processors on that planet), in spaceport. But when I've tried to export, it said I have none. And disappeared them all after few tries. But I had some supply for producing them left, so I should at least have SOME, right? Even if numbers I was seeing was wrong, I could not end up with NOTHING after all night! For my young character 5-10mil do is a big issue - 1/3 of the most expensive ship I've ever lost! And there's no word about this in optional patch notes.
inza onoa Cruentus Invicta	Posted - 2010.10.02 08:53:00 - [114] Originally by: Efraya I have just embarked on my Software Development career. I have gained a great deal of appreciation at the sheer complexity of sometimes, very simple systems. You are providing an excellent product and Blabla Really Efraya, you seem to be missing the point entirely. EVE online is a complex world with lots of systems involved. Though, complex systems dont have to be complex to handle or to manage. Its all about the way HOW you manage those systems that makes it a succes or a general failure. Releasing unthoughtfull or untested patches on a live server is asking for problems, problems which we customers are confronted with. With ingame unplayability, losses or other kinds of unsatisfying events. Now CCP could decide to do things a little diffent. Just for example, listing all bigs known till today, work upon that instead of introducing new features. Incase bug fixes make it to a new patch. Apply the patch in a test environment and test intensively before applying it in a live environment. As you have a software developping carreer you yourselve must see some truth in this. Ofcourse there are people who are always whining. I'm not pointing to those. But a fair amount of people just see that the way CCP operates isn't functioning anymore, tyrranis or dominion is a mere prove of that. Lately releasing new content has become more important then the reliability and gameplay of the game itself, while that should be the core of the game and the content just a layer around or above it. As I am a CEO of a corporation myself, i just see the way CCP runs things lately is atleast to be called "a little sloppy". Thanks for reading this.
Tank Gurl	Posted - 2010.10.02 09:05:00 - [115] We got a 3-6 dive here, folks.
Endrin Tremmel	Posted - 2010.10.02 09:45:00 - [116] Originally by: inza onoa Originally by: Efraya I have just embarked on my Software Development career. I have gained a great deal of appreciation at the sheer complexity of sometimes, very simple systems. You are providing an excellent product and Blabla Really Efraya, you seem to be missing the point entirely. EVE online is a complex world with lots of systems involved. Though, complex systems dont have to be complex to handle or to manage. Its all about the way HOW you manage those systems that makes it a succes or a general failure. Releasing unthoughtfull or untested patches on a live server is asking for problems, problems which we customers are confronted with. With ingame unplayability, losses or other kinds of unsatisfying events. Now CCP could decide to do things a little diffent. Just for example, listing all bigs known till today, work upon that instead of introducing new features. Incase bug fixes make it to a new patch. Apply the patch in a test environment and test intensively before applying it in a live environment. As you have a software developping carreer you yourselve must see some truth in this. Ofcourse there are people who are always whining. I'm not pointing to those. But a fair amount of people just see that the way CCP operates isn't functioning anymore, tyrranis or dominion is a mere prove of that. Lately releasing new content has become more important then the reliability and gameplay of the game itself, while that should be the core of the game and the content just a layer around or above it. As I am a CEO of a corporation myself, i just see the way CCP runs things lately is atleast to be called "a little sloppy". Thanks for reading this. Am I the only one that thinks spelling and not lying about job title is important to conveying a legitimate argument?
Efraya Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.02 09:50:00 - [117] Originally by: inza onoa Missing the point entirely BECAUSE it is so complicated and a testing environment NEVER 100% emulates the production environment, stuff happens. So yea, I think you have missed the point. Learn to dictionary too please. Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.10.02 09:50:00 - [118] Edited by: Whitehound on 02/10/2010 09:52:42 While I do agree with CCP that there are bugs that are hard to catch, do I also agree that CCP are not doing their job right. The excuse of not being able to test it all is coming a bit too often. In cases where the bugs jump right into one's face as with 1.1, and into the faces of many, is this excuse turning more into an open resignation of the volume of bugs, which needs to be fixed with every release. At the root seems to stand some of CCP's bosses, who must have said that it is making them more money to bring new features rather than fixing old ones. I am surprised to see someone at this level to be talking about making money, when they should be making games. It is not wrong to make money, but it is superficial to think this way and shows a lack of insight. If anyone at CCP wants to be a money maker then they should have started a bank and not a games company. Only the directors of banks think about making money. Directors of game companies still have to think of making games, and it is not like CCP will fade away tomorrow, because of running out of cash and customers! So, please, give us some love by giving the game some love and put more effort into fixing bugs. --
Endrin Tremmel	Posted - 2010.10.02 09:57:00 - [119] I give up
Blue Harrier Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.02 10:09:00 - [120] Just a suggestion for people with enough space, make a backup of your current Eve folder(s) before applying the æOptionalÆ patch to the current game then if things go æBase over ApexÆ you can copy the backup back and try again. I always do this before a patch as a æJust in CaseÆ measure.

Selling Slave	Posted - 2010.10.02 10:19:00 - [121] I didn't see anywhere in the patch notes that they fixed the issue with the market window showing the correct price. Guess that slipped their mind, an of course they will sit on their hands about fixing the issues it is causing. Then again, I don't expect CCP to care anyway, I wouldn't be half surprised if they weren't behind half the scamming that goes on, specially seeing how they find it amusing. There is a reason this game isn't has popular as it could be, that little kids game WoW has been out for a little less time, yet has done far better with the numbers then EvE. Sad ...
Captaindanger	Posted - 2010.10.02 10:33:00 - [122] Hey i dont get a optional pop up patch at the start and there is no patch in general settings, is there anywhere i can dload the patch cause i got bugs bigtime
Christoph Vasiectomy	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:02:00 - [123] Are they going to fix the issue with the wallet & market prices displaying not correctly???
henchana	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:05:00 - [124] Why on earth does the sorting of columns suddenly go the wrong way? Why does the adding of skills to the training queue make it lose focus? Doesn't the developers have a test environment? Painting the house blue shouldnt make the fat lady sing, should it?
Toovhon	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:10:00 - [125] Originally by: Selling Slave I didn't see anywhere in the patch notes that they fixed the issue with the market window showing the correct price. Guess that slipped their mind, an of course they will sit on their hands about fixing the issues it is causing. Then again, I don't expect CCP to care anyway, I wouldn't be half surprised if they weren't behind half the scamming that goes on, specially seeing how they find it amusing. There is a reason this game isn't has popular as it could be, that little kids game WoW has been out for a little less time, yet has done far better with the numbers then EvE. Sad ... Other established MMOs have caused far less grief after patches than Eve has, but that is not the reason Eve has not been as successful as WoW. It's because Eve does not pander to casuals, which is a Good ThingÖ for those of use who rise to a challenge. Still, it doesn't help Eve when I start to dread patch days more than I ever did with any other well established MMO. If another space combat + trading sandbox MMO came out tomorrow that was even nearly as good as Eve, yet less buggy, I'd jump at it. CCP might want to keep in mind they won't always be the only show in town. They've lost a great deal of my goodwill since I signed up, and they show little sign of reversing that trend -- Frog blast the vent core!
inza onoa Cruentus Invicta	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:11:00 - [126] Edited by: inza onoa on 02/10/2010 11:13:04 Enfraya, Endrin, im not english native speaker so bare with me if i make spelling mistakes. Its not the words or spelling that does matter, its the content thats brought thru the words. If all you can do is react on spelling mistakes.... Is it so weird I have my own company? Lots of people in eve have their own business, it gives you more free time to play eve, haha. Back ontopic.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:13:00 - [127] Edited by: Tippia on 02/10/2010 11:14:49 Originally by: Endrin Tremmel I give up Good. You see, the thing is, there is no excuse for the bugs that popped up in this patch. They were obvious; they were reported; they were ignored and CCP chose to the patch with them anyway. That's all there is, and it's unacceptable by any standard. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Dreadscout	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:18:00 - [128] Edited by: Dreadscout on 02/10/2010 11:26:43 Yeh it's terrible with the new Patch-Bugs. @CCP: The last 2 Years it looks more and more like the Team got's changed. How else it could be that your Crew is making the same mistakes every time? I'll think CCP has taken the fired Blizzard Crew (also ~2 Years ago). Now they "take-down" EVE like Blizzard Games. Best Ways to crash/destroy a perfect Game: 1) Patch, Patch, Patch... Patch again! 2) Make all "Noob"-able, easy.... more easy.... more and more easy.... 3) Ignore Customers and just **** on their stolen Gametime 4) Dont give "useful" Informations about Downtimes and Problems 5) Smoking & Drinks helps to ignore all the Problems happens 6) Just let's cut Contents and Features they want works anymore 7) At least just say: The Customer Computer is wrong, not our Game! 8) Continue with ignoring Customer Problems 9) Downgrading the Server 10) Patch, Patch, Patch... Patch again! 12) Continue with running the Game-Service with minimal Support 13) Stop "continue" of the Game, < end of supported time > 14) Bring out a new Game and start Money-Catching again 15) > Restart with destroying a good new Game or bringing out new Versions of the old Game (like: Diablo 1, Diablo 2-, Diablo 2 Lord of Destructions, Diablo 3...) ---- ugha, CCP you are on the best way to destroy :)
henchana	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:19:00 - [129] Sum solvendo adipiscing! Liberet nunc CCP venatione mea! An mea culpa, iam Google in Latinum?
Petunia666	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:29:00 - [130] all this emo rage is pretty sweet

Rieleph	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:30:00 - [131] Edited by: Rieleph on 02/10/2010 11:32:03 Originally by: Efraya BECAUSE it is so complicated and a testing environment NEVER 100% emulates the production environment, stuff happens. HELLO for client-side bugs production environment IS testing one. And testing one IS production one. And at least nice part of bugs is client related. It's not a server what plays error sound when I open scanner window is it? (Hint: if it would, they could fix it without patching a client)
Ting Mei Gallente Pulsar Inc. Cursed Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:31:00 - [132] Originally by: Petunia666 all this emo rage is pretty sweet Agree :p
Misunderstood Genius	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:32:00 - [133] Edited by: Misunderstood Genius on 02/10/2010 11:34:20 Originally by: Dreadscout Edited by: Dreadscout on 02/10/2010 11:26:43 Yeh it's terrible with the new Patch-Bugs. @CCP: The last 2 Years it looks more and more like the Team got's changed. How else it could be that your Crew is making the same mistakes every time? I'll think CCP has taken the fired Blizzard Crew (also ~2 Years ago). Now they "take-down" EVE like Blizzard Games. Best Ways to crash/destroy a perfect Game: 1) Patch, Patch, Patch... Patch again! 2) Make all "Noob"-able, easy.... more easy.... more and more easy.... 3) Ignore Customers and just **** on their stolen Gametime 4) Dont give "useful" Informations about Downtimes and Problems 5) Smoking & Drinks helps to ignore all the Problems happens 6) Just let's cut Contents and Features they want works anymore 7) At least just say: The Customer Computer is wrong, not our Game! 8) Continue with ignoring Customer Problems 9) Downgrading the Server 10) Patch, Patch, Patch... Patch again! 12) Continue with running the Game-Service with minimal Support 13) Stop "continue" of the Game, < end of supported time > 14) Bring out a new Game and start Money-Catching again 15) > Restart with destroying a good new Game or bringing out new Versions of the old Game (like: Diablo 1, Diablo 2-, Diablo 2 Lord of Destructions, Diablo 3...) ---- ugha, CCP you are on the best way to destroy :) Sounds like this game is just pure frustration and waste of time. My hint: cancel subscription, terminate account, leave. But I have more the impression that we have here a lot of smart-asses eventually not able to sort their own life out but knowing how perfect game coding, developing, designing etc. has to work in reality. Just shut up or show us how to do it better and right. Now waiting for the ultimative space MMORPG. I can't wait to play it soon(TM).
n00cx	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:32:00 - [134] Originally by: Calligular Originally by: keirasu Edited by: keirasu on 01/10/2010 19:19:26 Jhhheeeeezzzus..... stop your **ing and moaning. Yes problems arose with yesterday's patch, they came up with a fix the next day**. You can't always foresee bugs that will arise, but its not like CCP sat on their laurels when things went south. Anyway whining = annoying (yes, I'm prepared emotionally to be quoted and whined at) Edit: This is of course not directed at everyone in this post Dont mean any emotional harm by this ;) but when people pay for a service, they expect it to work. The problem is, its not the first time this has happened and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree that the UI has always been buggy (One of the most buggiest UI's of a game i have ever used) In my humble opinion, it gives the impression of "we don't care" and makes CCP look unprofessional, which can't be good for any business. Saying that it's good that CCP brought a fix out the next day isn't the point, with the amount of bugs that showed up after the patch indicated to me, at least, that there may be possible concerns with bug testing. Just my two penny worth. Peace my friend :) -1
SpAwNtoHell	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:32:00 - [135] I never though i am going to say this but i am thinking more to quit a game I like to play but which seems to be harder and harder to play. why? this is why? -I learned till now that any new patch minor or big comes lately with more bugs then fixes, you manage to get arround the previous bugs and get used to them and you get a new chalenge in the next patch. -When I see patch anounced to be deployed, I personally do not plan to play eve that day, usually takes more then 6h to deploy...and make sure i have a very long skill in training. 3-4 days atleast - the rest was pointed out in previous post by others. Are a lot of testing methods, i still do not get it why a patch is pushed so fast on the frontline because how i see it is all about rush and affecting me and others. Maybe all patches should be optional first....
Efraya Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:33:00 - [136] Originally by: inza onoa Edited by: inza onoa on 02/10/2010 11:13:04 Efraya FYP. What makes you think that I am a native English speaker? You going to carry on whining about the patching? Programming and Software development aren't "Easy" so cut people some slack mkay. Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Dreadscout	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:33:00 - [137] Edited by: Dreadscout on 02/10/2010 11:36:20 Originally by: Misunderstood Genius Sounds like this game is just pure frustration and waste of time. My hint: cancel subscription, terminate account, leave. But I have more the impression that we have here a lot of smart-asses eventually not able to sort their own life out but knowing how all this coding, developing etc. has to work. Just shut up or show us how to do it better and right. Myself is Programmer & Delevoper for a Gaming Company as well. But never had Problems like CCP over 13 Years. And their are over 10 Games over our Company, and not only 1! But true, CCP is not as big as some Customers think. They are like at the beginning of Blizzard's Crew. But, ..., your poor "My hint: cancel subscription, terminate account, leave." hint is more Nooby than any other Content in this Thread. I just said whats the best way to destroy a "good" Game. What says this for you? I like the Game over many Years. But i dont like what CCP does with it since the last 2 Years... Yout take the Hint for you flaming Buddy.
henchana	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:34:00 - [138] try{ CCP(EvE); } catch(Exception ex) { Tell(Ex.Customers.****edOff(true)); }
Mistress Ingrid Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:35:00 - [139] Align to bookmark is awesome. The UI bugs suck, but at least they are working on it finally.
n00cx	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:35:00 - [140] Originally by: Misunderstood Genius Originally by: Dreadscout Edited by: Dreadscout on 02/10/2010 11:26:43 Yeh it's terrible with the new Patch-Bugs. @CCP: The last 2 Years it looks more and more like the Team got's changed. How else it could be that your Crew is making the same mistakes every time? I'll think CCP has taken the fired Blizzard Crew (also ~2 Years ago). Now they "take-down" EVE like Blizzard Games. Best Ways to crash/destroy a perfect Game: 1) Patch, Patch, Patch... Patch again! 2) Make all "Noob"-able, easy.... more easy.... more and more easy.... 3) Ignore Customers and just **** on their stolen Gametime 4) Dont give "useful" Informations about Downtimes and Problems 5) Smoking & Drinks helps to ignore all the Problems happens 6) Just let's cut Contents and Features they want works anymore 7) At least just say: The Customer Computer is wrong, not our Game! 8) Continue with ignoring Customer Problems 9) Downgrading the Server 10) Patch, Patch, Patch... Patch again! 12) Continue with running the Game-Service with minimal Support 13) Stop "continue" of the Game, < end of supported time > 14) Bring out a new Game and start Money-Catching again 15) > Restart with destroying a good new Game or bringing out new Versions of the old Game (like: Diablo 1, Diablo 2-, Diablo 2 Lord of Destructions, Diablo 3...) ---- ugha, CCP you are on the best way to destroy :) Sounds like this game is just pure frustration and waste of time. My hint: cancel subscription, terminate account, leave. But I have more the impression that we have here a lot of smart-asses eventually not able to sort their own life out but knowing how all this coding, developing etc. has to work. Just shut up or show us how to do it better and right. +1

Misunderstood Genius	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:37:00 - [141] Originally by: Dreadscout Originally by: Misunderstood Genius Sounds like this game is just pure frustration and waste of time. My hint: cancel subscription, terminate account, leave. But I have more the impression that we have here a lot of smart-asses eventually not able to sort their own life out but knowing how all this coding, developing etc. has to work. Just shut up or show us how to do it better and right. Myself is Programmer & Delevoper for a Gaming Company as well. But never had Problems like CCP over 13 Years. And their are over 10 Games over our Company, and not only 1! What games? You mean those usual single or multiplayer games, right? Why is your company not doing Adam-Online then and show us the perfect error free game developer.
Ilene D'over Tax Free Corporation	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:37:00 - [142] Damn, if I didn't know better I would swear that I had just walked into a stockyard with the amount of bleating going on. ===== 100th level Black Liquorice Belt exponent in that great Lancastrian Martial Art of Eckythump.
Akara Vixen Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:38:00 - [143] Optional just means if anything fu-cks up in this NEW patch to patch the Patch then ccp isn't to blame whatsoever it's your fault you downloaded and installed it was YOUR choice to download this optional patch but thats where was of you will argue and your defence will be "but the old patch made things almost unplayable so we had no choice into patching with there shiny new patch" this patch you people must understand is made by the same software that made this old patch that now have to patch AGAIN CCP SISI is for a reason it's been said that most of these bugs was reported to you in the SISI version why Didn't you do anything then and avoided this whole thing??? im glad a fix is coming out but really in MHO this is just a patch with a whole new bunch of crazy exciting bugs or they listened to the SISI reports and made this patch now to patch the patch but what im thinking is why didn't you put the patch in along with the Other patch at the same time and nobody would of been the wiser
inza onoa Cruentus Invicta	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:39:00 - [144] Originally by: Efraya Efraya What makes you think that I am a native English speaker? You going to carry on whining about the patching? Programming and Software development aren't "Easy" so cut people some slack mkay. I was not thinking your a native english speaker, and frankly I couldn't care less if you were or not. Also I am not whining about anything, so, maybe get a walk in fresh air orso so you can see and think straight. Programming and software development isnt "Easy" nor is it "Difficult". It is what it is. However the whole point of my post was not that it was Easy or Difficult, it was about the way CCP handles things. Its the HOW things are done what matters. Thats all I am saying. You can solve complex problems in a rather easy way, but you can also solve easy problems in a dramatic difficult way. Its the HOW that matters.
Dreadscout	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:40:00 - [145] Edited by: Dreadscout on 02/10/2010 11:43:55 Originally by: Misunderstood Genius What games? You mean those usual single or multiplayer games, right? They are not Singleplay, massive Online Software & Browser Games. To advertising for them in here would be not good, so just search a little on Google to find some simular Engines & Games working better. And i never sayd that the "Content" and "Idea" of EVE is bad. I just said that the handling of the "Patch"-Ways is just poor and "oldstyle". There are some better "stable" Ways i postet 2 Days ago on the other Patch Thread as well. And yeh you said i should show it better way. Then tell CCP to take me to them, i'm free for new Jobs ;)
Constratum	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:44:00 - [146] Originally by: Calligular Originally by: keirasu Edited by: keirasu on 01/10/2010 19:19:26 Jhhheeeeezzzus..... stop your **ing and moaning. Yes problems arose with yesterday's patch, they came up with a fix the next day**. You can't always foresee bugs that will arise, but its not like CCP sat on their laurels when things went south. Anyway whining = annoying (yes, I'm prepared emotionally to be quoted and whined at) Edit: This is of course not directed at everyone in this post Dont mean any emotional harm by this ;) but when people pay for a service, they expect it to work. The problem is, its not the first time this has happened and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree that the UI has always been buggy (One of the most buggiest UI's of a game i have ever used) In my humble opinion, it gives the impression of "we don't care" and makes CCP look unprofessional, which can't be good for any business. Saying that it's good that CCP brought a fix out the next day isn't the point, with the amount of bugs that showed up after the patch indicated to me, at least, that there may be possible concerns with bug testing. Just my two penny worth. Peace my friend :) lol people moan cos they have no life and spend there time in the basement of there mum's house playing eve all day, i'd like to see you make a game with no bugs or glitches, so shut your mouth LOL
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerrilla Flotilla	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:45:00 - [147] Originally by: CCP Navigator An optional patch will be deployed during downtime on Saturday, October 2 which will fix several issues reported to us following the release of Tyrannis 1.1. While the patch is optional, we would encourage everyone to apply the update to ensure your gameplay is improved over the weekend. The optional patch will be included in a future client update. A full list of updated patch notes can be found here. Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility. If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but you will none of the fixes applied. If you clicked 'No' in error you can still apply the patch by going to the ESC menu, General Settings and apply the patch from the 'Install' button there. "you will none of the fixes applied" LOLWUT? _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:45:00 - [148] Originally by: Dreadscout Edited by: Dreadscout on 02/10/2010 11:30:26 Yeh it's terrible with the new Patch-Bugs. @CCP: The last 2 Years it looks more and more like the Team got's changed. How else it could be that your Crew is making the same mistakes every time? I'll think CCP has taken the fired Blizzard Crew (also ~2 Years ago). Now they "take-down" EVE like Blizzard Games. Best Ways to crash/destroy a perfect Game: 1) Patch, Patch, Patch... Patch again! 2) Make all "Noob"-able, easy.... more easy.... more and more easy.... 3) Ignore Customers and just **** on their stolen Gametime 4) Dont give "useful" Informations about Downtimes and Problems 5) Smoking & Drinks helps to ignore all the Problems happens 6) Just let's cut Contents and Features they want works anymore 7) At least just say: The Customer Computer is wrong, not our Game! 8) Continue with ignoring Customer Problems 9) Downgrading the Server 10) Patch, Patch, Patch... Patch again! 12) Continue with running the Game-Service with minimal Support 13) Stop "continue" of the Game, < end of supported time > 14) Bring out a new Game and start Money-Catching again 15) > Restart with destroying a good new Game or bringing out new Versions of the old Game (like: Diablo 1, Diablo 2-, Diablo 2 Lord of Destructions, Diablo 3...) ---- ugha, CCP you are on the best way to destroy :) BUT... wanna look like: this? Dont think so...., stop camping on old thinking :) Anyone have a wack-out to english translation book handy?
not Mommy	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:45:00 - [149] Thing is: CCP is a company who is doing crap atm. And they not explaining it to their customers or thinking to do better. @CCP (i didn`t need a unqualified comment from another customer): Ur better starting of doing ur work and code a new UI from the start and test it properly. I have never seen a game wich was more complicated to do pretty easy things like in eve. And not reacting on customers comments makes it even more worse. Ur loosing my trust. And u shall know if u don`t get it, there will be another corporation who will. Ur not unique. U just had a good idea. U better go on and think about what ur doing cause if not iam not willing to swallow ur cum.
Painbunny	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:49:00 - [150] Originally by: not Mommy Thing is: CCP is a company who is doing crap atm. And they not explaining it to their customers or thinking to do better. @CCP (i didn`t need a unqualified comment from another customer): Ur better starting of doing ur work and code a new UI from the start and test it properly. I have never seen a game wich was more complicated to do pretty easy things like in eve. And not reacting on customers comments makes it even more worse. Ur loosing my trust. And u shall know if u don`t get it, there will be another corporation who will. Ur not unique. U just had a good idea. U better go on and think about what ur doing cause if not iam not willing to swallow ur cum. sign!

Constratum	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:50:00 - [151] Originally by: Dreadscout Edited by: Dreadscout on 02/10/2010 11:38:01 Edited by: Dreadscout on 02/10/2010 11:36:20 Originally by: Misunderstood Genius Sounds like this game is just pure frustration and waste of time. My hint: cancel subscription, terminate account, leave. But I have more the impression that we have here a lot of smart-asses eventually not able to sort their own life out but knowing how all this coding, developing etc. has to work. Just shut up or show us how to do it better and right. Myself is Programmer & Developer for a Gaming Company as well. But never had Problems like CCP over 13 Years. And their are over 10 Games over our Company, and not only 1! But true, CCP is not as big as some Customers think. They are like at the beginning of Blizzard's Crew. But, ..., your poor "My hint: cancel subscription, terminate account, leave." hint is more Nooby than any other Content in this Thread. I just said whats the best way to destroy a "good" Game. What says this for you? I like the Game over many Years. But i dont like what CCP does with it since the last 2 Years... Yout take the Hint for you flaming Buddy. yout? cool grammar man, god ur so cool ur a game prorammer omg like thats so amazing!!! NOT lol, dude im guessing ur probably 18, single, fat, spotty and sitting in ur mums basement drinking mountain dew, lol the chance of you being a game programmer is very slim, also if u are a programmer as u claim then i can guess u have never worked on a MMO which has alot more difficult coding thn pakman.... stick to 2d games dude, and clean the basement out, i think the fumes of fat boy sweat are clogging ur brain
Akara Vixen Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:51:00 - [152] LOL i like how they have 12+ testers on line in Eve they normally have only 4 people on before realesing patches this is progress by the CCP team more testers means more problems to find and more problems found means less work we have to do trying to get you to fix them this is a game we come here to relax grab a couple of beer from the fridge and just veggie out after a shi-t day at work im at work now hence why im typing so much if i type alot my boss thinks im doing work
Ay Liz Sacred Templars Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:51:00 - [153] I'm feeling adventurous today. I will pick 'Yes'. Wish me luck..
carebear one	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:52:00 - [154] Hm, readng thru this thread ... and other patch-threads also I am asking me a important question. Are this "dont complain about ... why are you whinning"-writers all CCP-Alts? If not the implication would be very bad. In this case the content industry has bred a generation of dumb customers buying every crab even if the idea is the 1000th time rewarmed willingly giving up there legal rights. I am also asking me where this will end. Customers just buying CD/DVD/Game without asking and throwing it away after one day playing buying it the next day another time without asking doing everything as long as there are pictures to watch.
Dreadscout	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:53:00 - [155] Edited by: Dreadscout on 02/10/2010 11:54:55 but what ever, i'll think the most "flamers" ont his thread should go back to their old *** Game. the only one who should have a right to "flame" a bit are the old ones @ EVE. like in each game the oldest must bleed over many years again and again. but the new ones should better keep their mind. ccp is a great "chaos" company giving their best. the only thing, they should stop drinking on patch-days ^^
Space Fungus	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:53:00 - [156] quit ***ing **ing and moaning, at least they keep it going. get a life
Akara Vixen Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:57:00 - [157] Originally by: Constratum Originally by: Dreadscout Edited by: Dreadscout on 02/10/2010 11:38:01 Edited by: Dreadscout on 02/10/2010 11:36:20 Originally by: Misunderstood Genius Sounds like this game is just pure frustration and waste of time. My hint: cancel subscription, terminate account, leave. But I have more the impression that we have here a lot of smart-asses eventually not able to sort their own life out but knowing how all this coding, developing etc. has to work. Just shut up or show us how to do it better and right. Myself is Programmer & Developer for a Gaming Company as well. But never had Problems like CCP over 13 Years. And their are over 10 Games over our Company, and not only 1! But true, CCP is not as big as some Customers think. They are like at the beginning of Blizzard's Crew. But, ..., your poor "My hint: cancel subscription, terminate account, leave." hint is more Nooby than any other Content in this Thread. I just said whats the best way to destroy a "good" Game. What says this for you? I like the Game over many Years. But i dont like what CCP does with it since the last 2 Years... You take the Hint for your flaming Buddy. yout? cool grammar man, god ur so cool ur a game prorammer omg like thats so amazing!!! NOT lol, dude im guessing ur probably 18, single, fat, spotty and sitting in ur mums basement drinking mountain dew, lol the chance of you being a game programmer is very slim, also if u are a programmer as u claim then i can guess u have never worked on a MMO which has alot more difficult coding thn pakman.... stick to 2d games dude, and clean the basement out, i think the fumes of fat boy sweat are clogging ur brain one word TROLL
carebear one	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:57:00 - [158] Originally by: Space Fungus quit ***ing **ing and moaning, at least they keep it going. get a life another interesting question ... do have complainers about the complaining have a life?
Phyrex legio	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:59:00 - [159] Originally by: carebear one Originally by: Space Fungus quit ***ing **ing and moaning, at least they keep it going. get a life another interesting question ... do have complainers about the complaining have a life? issent that emo 8)
Everseeker Caldari The Graduates	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:00:00 - [160] 12:00 GMT and Eve is still sleeping... Uh Oh -- EverSeeker

inza onoa Cruentus Invicta	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:00:00 - [161] Originally by: carebear one another interesting question ... do have complainers about the complaining have a life? They'll be probably complaining too much about it to actually experiencing having a life :)
Akara Vixen Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:01:00 - [162] Originally by: Selling Slave I didn't see anywhere in the patch notes that they fixed the issue with the market window showing the correct price. Guess that slipped their mind, an of course they will sit on their hands about fixing the issues it is causing. Then again, I don't expect CCP to care anyway, I wouldn't be half surprised if they weren't behind half the scamming that goes on, specially seeing how they find it amusing. There is a reason this game isn't has popular as it could be, that little kids game WoW has been out for a little less time, yet has done far better with the numbers then EvE. Sad ... i like this game it's got enough people in it too many p[eople and well it just turns into WoW where they keep making things easier and easier and if i recall alot of people have elft WoW beacuse the new expansion is ****e
carebear one	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:01:00 - [163] Originally by: Phyrex legio Originally by: carebear one Originally by: Space Fungus quit ***ing **ing and moaning, at least they keep it going. get a life another interesting question ... do have complainers about the complaining have a life? issent that emo 8) looks like they have not ... otherwise he wouldnt go emo
Ay Liz Sacred Templars Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:01:00 - [164] Originally by: Everseeker 12:00 GMT and Eve is still sleeping... Uh Oh It went up right as you posted mate.
Dreadscout	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:01:00 - [165] Originally by: Constratum yout? cool grammar man, god ur so cool ur a game prorammer omg like thats so amazing!!! NOT lol, dude im guessing ur probably 18, single, fat, spotty and sitting in ur mums basement drinking mountain dew, lol the chance of you being a game programmer is very slim, also if u are a programmer as u claim then i can guess u have never worked on a MMO which has alot more difficult coding thn pakman.... stick to 2d games dude, and clean the basement out, i think the fumes of fat boy sweat are clogging ur brain my grammar should not be the problem to be a Programmer. I'm speaking Spanish, Rush, German, my english is not well... right! But your spelling and verbalism is more than you describe me. I'll think you are the poor 18 Years old fat Boy ****on your text thinking you are the best. But wake up, nobody loves you ;) I understand my work and i understand what is right/NOT! And you are just a big "wayne" and "invalid error". Well, speak with my Hand, the other parts of my body dont notice you anymore.
WisdomPanda	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:01:00 - [166] Originally by: Demitrios You also seem to be forgetting 1 thing, these bugs have nothing to do with a specific platform or setup, these bugs are there no matter what you are running, pc, mac or linux. Originally by: 1.1 Patch Notes Mac Resolved a crash issue related to rapidly switching between planets in planetary mode. The mailer cache error preventing EVE mail working in the Mac client will no longer happen. Fixed an issue with font rendering in the in-game browser. Some graphics glitches on ATI cards have been fixed, notably the effects when the shader setting is set to high and the rendering of ship afterburners. Yeah, cross platform has nothing to do with it. The fixes they've released for specific video cards are also no indication that different hardware can effect the game. Right on. Originally by: Demitrios So for me, your argument about we should expect bugs on pc games is flawed. The problem is when you find a bug on the PC platform, and you're also developing for other platforms, a fix is never as easy as just doing the obvious. Everything has a knock on effect, making simple bugs more annoying to quash. A unified platform is FAR easier to bug test on, not just "a little" as some have implied. As a side note; PC's are more prone to bugs, if you don't want to accept it, then don't - it doesn't rock my world. But for a fun exercise, count how many different component setups you can have in your PC to run EvE. It isn't the root of all evil, but it's something we have to live with for being modular - some times some people get screwed when others don't. For example, I've only ever crashed out 1-2 times tops, I have far more trouble with my ISP than CCP. Of course, others have had endless crash issues, so it just goes to prove the point. The reason bugs make it through to TQ, however, is probably quite simple; Deadlines. You get a list of bugs from QA and Sisi, they get sorted by category (minor, normal, major, critical) and you work from Critical to Minor. From a deadline standpoint, only a Critical/Major bug would cause a delay, the others are considered "acceptable" to hand off to the maintenance team. Most software groups/companies do this, what only really differs is the complexity of the project and the willingness to mark more/less bugs as critical/major. There is also the other issue that has been highlighted many times in dev blogs over the last month; The cause for certain bugs takes a lot of specific testing to find the exact spot it's falling over. Once you have that spot, you need to reproduce, refactor, repeat. When your project can take an hour just to compile and certain resources aren't available on demand (aka, player testing) it doesn't become a fast process. Originally by: Demitrios Also as a troll, if you did set up a mirrow image of tq in your basement, contacting ccp is one of the last things i would do, i dont like being sued ;) The point being, Sisi is not TQ. Unless you're willing to fork out for a full scale test system, it will never be. You also would not be sued for setting up a hardware mirror, I apologise for not being specific. :) We all want the same thing in the end; EvE to work so we can kill each other in game. (Or to help keep the roid population under control, if you're that way inclined.) ----- Cheesecake, Natures ultimate weapon.
Space Fungus	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:02:00 - [167] bullseye !!
Painbunny	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:05:00 - [168] Server = ONLINE! Stop flaming ^^
Narisa Bithon Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:06:00 - [169] not being offered this so called option patch though
B0B Auer	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:06:00 - [170] Edited by: B0B Auer on 02/10/2010 12:10:05 at least the patch seems to not crash the client and my windows are all at the right size and if you have problems with the wrong values in wallet or market, just adjust the size of that row

Stacey Sin	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:06:00 - [171] I just want to say this to all ppl there who say I shouldn't care I'm losing ISK due to faulty patch: send me 10-20mil, that will even it out. If you think that's not noteworthy amount, prove it ;) If you say I shouldn't care I can't use game time I paid for, contract me PLEX for free (or send ~350mil isk as that's it's price now afair). That way you'll have my promise I'll ignore 30 days of unplayable / buggy state per PLEX ;) When it's my money, I have right to expect things to, well... work. (yep, I'm alt :P )
Constratum	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:08:00 - [172] Originally by: Dreadscout Originally by: Constratum yout? cool grammar man, god ur so cool ur a game prorammer omg like thats so amazing!!! NOT lol, dude im guessing ur probably 18, single, fat, spotty and sitting in ur mums basement drinking mountain dew, lol the chance of you being a game programmer is very slim, also if u are a programmer as u claim then i can guess u have never worked on a MMO which has alot more difficult coding thn pakman.... stick to 2d games dude, and clean the basement out, i think the fumes of fat boy sweat are clogging ur brain my grammar should not be the problem to be a Programmer. I'm speaking Spanish, Rush, German, my english is not well... right! But your spelling and verbalism is more than you describe me. I'll think you are the poor 18 Years old fat Boy **on your text thinking you are the best. But wake up, nobody loves you ;) I understand my work and i understand what is right/NOT! And you are just a big "wayne" and "invalid error". Well, speak with my Hand, the other parts of my body dont notice you anymore. lol you must be gay "speak with the hand" yeh cos ur mouth is sucking ** XD, and if u want to get clever, for ur hand to speak to me it would require your brain to point the hand in my direction, so infact your brain, your eyes to co-ordinate where i am, and your hand are noticing me, try again buddy, your not doing very well
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:08:00 - [173] Edited by: Nathan Jameson on 02/10/2010 12:11:38 Originally by: Dreadscout Originally by: Constratum yout? cool grammar man, god ur so cool ur a game prorammer omg like thats so amazing!!! NOT lol, dude im guessing ur probably 18, single, fat, spotty and sitting in ur mums basement drinking mountain dew, lol the chance of you being a game programmer is very slim, also if u are a programmer as u claim then i can guess u have never worked on a MMO which has alot more difficult coding thn pakman.... stick to 2d games dude, and clean the basement out, i think the fumes of fat boy sweat are clogging ur brain my grammar should not be the problem to be a Programmer. I'm speaking Spanish, Rush, German, my english is not well... right! But your spelling and verbalism is more than you describe me. I'll think you are the poor 18 Years old fat Boy ****on your text thinking you are the best. But wake up, nobody loves you ;) I understand my work and i understand what is right/NOT! And you are just a big "wayne" and "invalid error". Well, speak with my Hand, the other parts of my body dont notice you anymore. FLAWLESS VICTORY! You, sir, win the interwebs. @Constratum: Your comebacks fail almost as much as your corp thefts do.
Dreadscout	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:11:00 - [174] Originally by: Constratum and if u want to get clever, for ur hand to speak to me it would require your brain to point the hand in my direction, so infact your brain, your eyes to co-ordinate where i am, and your hand are noticing me, try again buddy, your not doing very well Your Logic is fantastic. Buy a "Logic" Skillbook or take some lessons with me. I'll show you how passive it's possible that you feel my hand without watching at you. And the second thing, did i say i hold my hand in front of you? NO! You must search my Hand if you wanna speak to here. So go to Body-Middle and search a bit, it's a Region where you should be.
Nutty Grandad	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:11:00 - [175] To summarize all the aforegoing posts... It all boils down to this...Consumer Rights! If you PAY for something, whether it is a vehicle, a household item OR time on an official game online...YOU have the RIGHT to have it in PERFECT WORKING ORDER! If you are playing Lineage or WoW on a private server for free, then you do not have this right and need to accept all the bugs that go with it, but when you PAY you have the right to it working 100%. This is WHY people moan! Many people do not have lots of money to waste and work hard for what they have...so when you consider the amount of money game developers make, it is NOT too much to expect that they work hard and deliver something that works perfectly! So... all of you who complain about the complainers...please think twice! It is their RIGHT to complain...like it or not! Nutty Grandad (And yes I am)
Constratum	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:13:00 - [176] Originally by: Dreadscout Originally by: Constratum and if u want to get clever, for ur hand to speak to me it would require your brain to point the hand in my direction, so infact your brain, your eyes to co-ordinate where i am, and your hand are noticing me, try again buddy, your not doing very well Your Logic is fantastic. Buy a "Logic" Skillbook or take some lessons with me. I'll show you how passive it's possible that you feel my hand without watching at you. And the second thing, did i say i hold my hand in front of you? NO! You must search my Hand if you wanna speak to here. So go to Body-Middle and search a bit, it's a Region where you should be. why cos u'll be ****ing again? LOL cant find urself a girl m8? XD unlcky dude, keep trying, and as for the other guy, yes, rage cos i robbed you, rage hard
danyalsun	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:13:00 - [177] Originally by: Constratum lol you must be gay "speak with the hand" yeh cos ur mouth is sucking **** XD, and if u want to get clever, for ur hand to speak to me it would require your brain to point the hand in my direction, so infact your brain, your eyes to co-ordinate where i am, and your hand are noticing me, try again buddy, your not doing very well lol. So you are bagging someone out over their grammar... when you can't even write "you" and "your"? Stop making a fool of yourself.
Ninglegmardok Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:13:00 - [178] Ok, still experiencing problems when stacking anything with my overview window. Swiching back to overview as soon as i hover mouse over any object in space. Making it nearly impossible to use. -- Force the children to eat oatmeal.
DestinyCalling	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:13:00 - [179] FFS I installed the patch to fix the problems with the windows and I now have the bugs that I didn't have before! Now got duplicates in my overview, didn't have that before the optional patch! get it sorted
Drycronus	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:14:00 - [180] Originally by: ThE AthEiiSt CCP; Can't Code Properly. Sums this thread up, basically :) ^ This ^

PDJames	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:15:00 - [181] Auto-patching doesn't work for me. Is there any way to get this patch manually?
Dreadscout	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:16:00 - [182] Originally by: Constratum why cos u'll be ****ing again? LOL cant find urself a girl m8? XD unlcky dude, keep trying, and as for the other guy, yes, rage cos i robbed you, rage hard My Girl is busy currently, and sometimes is good to have some brainless things in this region. and may you could get there something biochemical in your mouth to earn some INT. what ever, was nice to diss with you. but now back to important parts of life...
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:18:00 - [183] Edited by: Jane Griffin on 02/10/2010 12:21:22 Auto patching worked fine for me. Windows still open in default places, pinning windows still results in un-stacking. Convo windows never stay were i put them. Exactly like i was yesterday. I havent undocked so i expect that the only thing that works now is the correct colour stars for corpies. Though i wouldnt be surprised if that wasnt fixed either... Not unplayable, but im not playing eve until you fix these pathetic tedious glitches.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:19:00 - [184] Originally by: WisdomPanda Yeah, cross platform has nothing to do with it. The fixes they've released for specific video cards are also no indication that different hardware can effect the game. Right on. You'll also notice that the bugs that occurred came from an all-platform change, and affected all clients equally. So no, platform wasn't a factor. In fact, the platform-specific fixed worked perfectly. àoh, and, CCP only develops for one platform: Windows, which is then wrapped to go into OSX. The wrapping is largely handled elsewhere. Quote: The point being, Sisi is not TQ. Unless you're willing to fork out for a full scale test system, it will never be. You also would not be sued for setting up a hardware mirror, I apologise for not being specific. :) The counter-point being: these were not TQ or Sisi issues ù these were issues with the client that ù suprise ù existed in both places. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Skeito	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:20:00 - [185] Originally by: PDJames Auto-patching doesn't work for me. Is there any way to get this patch manually? ingame via esc/general settings, but your braver than i am
PDJames	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:22:00 - [186] Originally by: Skeito Originally by: PDJames Auto-patching doesn't work for me. Is there any way to get this patch manually? ingame via esc/general settings, but your braver than i am Thanks mate
Miranda Starborn Big Dragon Smelting and Manufacturing	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:22:00 - [187] Server is up again! Hugs & Love to the team that made it came back! We know you - CCP - is not perfect and have many faults but we still understand and love you. Thank you working hard and trying to make the game better for all of us.
GKO	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:22:00 - [188] still cannot join existing mailing list. please include in tomorrows awesome semi-optional patch.
DelachinGuntai	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:23:00 - [189] After installing the patch my client closes frequently. It takes a couple of minutes if i am just idling, disconnects almost immediately if I try to make a petition.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:23:00 - [190] Edited by: Vrabac on 02/10/2010 12:24:37 I keep having to resize local to fit with the surrounding windows still, and the fact it's by only a few pixels makes it even more stupid. GG nice optional patch now when will you actually make a serious one? Oh btw having to click on a chat to be able to press enter after copy pasting something into it was so needless and stupid, good to see you fixed- oh wait, you didn't.

Diablo Vertias	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:24:00 - [191] I dident have supremely mutch bug's whit this patch , 1 funny bug , 1 enoying , and a wild one other than that , nothing mutch to worry about , the overwiew , got a little messed up hsowing every destination twise , but that was a easy fix , just , load , a stored set up and that was fixed , the annoying bug was on the local chat , it got pasterd all over hte screen , so when i wrote , words where all over hte place , the funny bug was simply a belt rat i couldent kill , a small frig ,stuck in space, whitci had lock on , kept pounding it whit 3k to 6k whit my tank tester , and rat never died , other then these 3 , i havent noticed anything else .
Philip Richardson Depthstrike Industries G a l a c t i c Industries	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:29:00 - [192] Edited by: Philip Richardson on 02/10/2010 12:31:05 The bug I reported with the stacked journal/wallet/assets in the main 1.1 thread STILL happens. Open any two of the three, close both at once, open the second one first, position forgotten, window in top left again. edit: Open all three, close all at once then open the third one, position forgotten, window in top left again. - I blame stompy for any confusion I might have caused.
Cletus Verman Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:32:00 - [193] Edited by: Cletus Verman on 02/10/2010 12:35:03 Originally by: Philip Richardson Edited by: Philip Richardson on 02/10/2010 12:31:05 The bug I reported with the stacked journal/wallet/assets in the main 1.1 thread STILL happens. Open any two of the three, close both at once, open the second one first, position forgotten, window in top left again. edit: Open all three, close all at once then open the third one, position forgotten, window in top left again. This - further testing reveals, that it is the journal that is not remembering it's position. Glad to be a bug hunter
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:33:00 - [194] Edited by: Tippia on 02/10/2010 12:36:17 Expectations management: the updated patch notes mentions nothing about the stacking/pinning issues, so if you're having those it's not all that strange. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:35:00 - [195] Edited by: Jane Griffin on 02/10/2010 12:35:34 Originally by: Tippia Expectations management: the updated patch notes mentions nothing about the stacking issues, so if you're having those it's not all that strange. Windows dont even retain their size in any way different than yesterday. Sometimes open ok, sometimes 20 pixels too wide. No change.
vekol	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:36:00 - [196] Stacked windows still switch like they want. If I have my Agents window and Peoples&Places stacked, accept new mission in Agent window it switsches to Peoples&Places. If I change it back to Agents window again and undock - I have Peoples&Places in front. Thanks for this improvement/bullsh!t or whatever you call it ccp.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:37:00 - [197] Originally by: Jane Griffin Windows dont even retain their size in any way different than yesterday. Sometimes open ok, sometimes 20 pixels too wide. No change. Well hey! If they sometimes open ok, that would be a step forward for me ù they always opened at some set minimum size yesterday. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:37:00 - [198] Originally by: Constratum yout? cool grammar man, god ur so cool ur a game prorammer omg like thats so amazing!!! NOT lol, dude im guessing ur probably 18, single, fat, spotty and sitting in ur mums basement drinking mountain dew, lol the chance of you being a game programmer is very slim, also if u are a programmer as u claim then i can guess u have never worked on a MMO which has alot more difficult coding thn pakman.... stick to 2d games dude, and clean the basement out, i think the fumes of fat boy sweat are clogging ur brain Irony personified. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Miranda Starborn Big Dragon Smelting and Manufacturing	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:38:00 - [199] Originally by: Calligular I pay for this game, i expect it to work!! It is at a first look a decent request, but when one looks deeper into the issue things are in reality not that simple really.
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:38:00 - [200] Edited by: Jane Griffin on 02/10/2010 12:40:31 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jane Griffin Windows dont even retain their size in any way different than yesterday. Sometimes open ok, sometimes 20 pixels too wide. No change. Well hey! If they sometimes open ok, that would be a step forward for me ù they always opened at some set minimum size yesterday. No change for me today. If you unpin your windows they will stack ok and even retain their position 60% of the time. But stacking presents its own issues. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHwn2NfzUko Game needs taking offline and fixing IMHO

Blake Zacary Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:41:00 - [201] New 'optional' patch is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.Chat windows still split when you relog , still getting the resize problems as well....... blah,blah,blah
Philip Richardson Depthstrike Industries G a l a c t i c Industries	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:41:00 - [202] Originally by: Cletus Verman Edited by: Cletus Verman on 02/10/2010 12:35:03 Originally by: Philip Richardson Edited by: Philip Richardson on 02/10/2010 12:31:05 The bug I reported with the stacked journal/wallet/assets in the main 1.1 thread STILL happens. Open any two of the three, close both at once, open the second one first, position forgotten, window in top left again. edit: Open all three, close all at once then open the third one, position forgotten, window in top left again. This - further testing reveals, that it is the journal that is not remembering it's position. Glad to be a bug hunter It doesn't matter the order you open them in, the final one you open resets to top left when you close. - I blame stompy for any confusion I might have caused.
nanobud	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:42:00 - [203] User Interface * Windows will now retain their correct size when you open and close them. * Chat channels will no longer reset to the default positions every time the client is restarted. my windows still do whatever the hell they want, even with the optional patch. im beginning to dis-like eve for the silly crap and im not even over a year yet.
Skeito	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:42:00 - [204] does the salvage window stay where you reposition it now, or does that open at the default position still?
Sarcozi Caldari Reclamation Fighters Group PLC	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:43:00 - [205] No autopatchting option for me either on all 3 clients that I've tried Goes off to find optional patch from download section. ___________________________________ Every which way is up (in space).
Ben Musso	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:45:00 - [206] Originally by: Jane Griffin Game needs taking offline and fixing IMHO Fail statement is fail. It's a client patch that fixes stuff CLIENT side. I try to explain that to you a bit simpler. You do not turn off all traffic lights because your car stopped in the middle of the street and needs fixing. or Just because your brain does not work and needs fixing you still are going to post on these forums thinking what you do post makes sense. BM
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:45:00 - [207] I think CCP needs to adjust their bug priorities, perhaps? UI bugs are high-profile- they need fixing just as much as 'zoom issues' ... "The backend of the EVE User Interface has been refactored to allow for faster development and ease of programming. Because of this some UI settings, such as stacked windows, may not be preserved after the patching process." I realize now this means there will be UI issues, but if this kind of undertaking must be made to make the game's UI more efficient down the line, why not just wait until it's essentially ready before deployment? Make sure it is with rigorous testing, and if there are failures, back off and keep it off the live server until major testing can't find anything obvious. One minor annoyance I have is how default and snap-to column widths are off, particularly in financial windows like the Market. Had to double-click on the right width-adjuster to see at least the full value of ISK on items, and even then it was cutting off part of the 'ISK' ... Also, my window for 'loot cans' and similar floating containers has reset, but this, at least, I expect based on the patch notes. Automatically-resizing column widths on appropriate windows working inadequately, and window snap-to indicators no longer existing for certain windows are not expected and rather annoying to deal with, and most certainly obvious enough. To add to some of the commentary: at least CCP isn't Blizzard who charge for the service of using their servers AND every expansion. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Cletus Verman Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:47:00 - [208] Originally by: Philip Richardson Originally by: Cletus Verman Edited by: Cletus Verman on 02/10/2010 12:35:03 Originally by: Philip Richardson Edited by: Philip Richardson on 02/10/2010 12:31:05 The bug I reported with the stacked journal/wallet/assets in the main 1.1 thread STILL happens. Open any two of the three, close both at once, open the second one first, position forgotten, window in top left again. edit: Open all three, close all at once then open the third one, position forgotten, window in top left again. This - further testing reveals, that it is the journal that is not remembering it's position. Glad to be a bug hunter It doesn't matter the order you open them in, the final one you open resets to top left when you close. You are correct, nicely done !! Send your bill to CCP
Magron1	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:48:00 - [209] Edited by: Magron1 on 02/10/2010 12:50:52 I'm not being offered an autopatch. Would it have killed them to put a link directly to the patch DL site from the page we're directed to? jeebus
Raferau	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:48:00 - [210] swap ships.....chat window changes, leave station......chat window changes, jump......chat window changes, click submit in PI..... chat window changes !!!! intel chat window in 0.0 is a way to stay alive, but only if you can see it all the time!!!!!!! But YES they have made corps green again !!!!!!! How many more "optional" patches before we get what we had!!!!!

Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:49:00 - [211] Originally by: Ben Musso Originally by: Jane Griffin Game needs taking offline and fixing IMHO Fail statement is fail. It's a client patch that fixes stuff CLIENT side. I try to explain that to you a bit simpler. You do not turn off all traffic lights because your car stopped in the middle of the street and needs fixing. or Just because your brain does not work and needs fixing you still are going to post on these forums thinking what you do post makes sense. BM If you think these client side patches are able to be implemented and accommodated while the server is running with no need to offline the server to allow modified clients, who am i to argue.
Ben Musso	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:49:00 - [212] Originally by: Alejan Gerakh I realize now this means there will be UI issues, but if this kind of undertaking must be made to make the game's UI more efficient down the line, why not just wait until it's essentially ready before deployment? Make sure it is with rigorous testing, and if there are failures, back off and keep it off the live server until major testing can't find anything obvious. Hm ... what makes you think that it's not more efficient already ? I am asking "efficient" not "bug-free"/"flawless" ... BM
Sombike Caldari Enterprise Estonia Session Changes	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:50:00 - [213] THIS PATCH FIXED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, OMFG I have never had a signature before, is it any good?
Ben Musso	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:52:00 - [214] Originally by: Jane Griffin If you think these client side patches are able to be implemented and accommodated while the server is running with no need to offline the server to allow modified clients, who am i to argue. There are show-stopping problems and there are annoyances. CCP has, in the past, taken the cluster down IF there were show-stoppers discovered. All we whine about right now does not affect game-play per se, it just annoys the heck out of us ( including me ). We still can play and fixes will be deployed. But right now, we can play. BM
8klinger	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:54:00 - [215] Hi, Still have the same problems after donwloading the patch of today. I have lost 3 days of playing the game now and getting very very upset about it. Reason being I am a paying customer! I realy enjoy the game, as I play many hours a day. Last but not least,I realy want to play again. Is there somebody that can fix this??????????????????????????????? regards.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:56:00 - [216] Originally by: 8klinger Is there somebody that can fix this??????????????????????????????? regards. Bob The Builder.
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:56:00 - [217] Originally by: Ben Musso Originally by: Jane Griffin If you think these client side patches are able to be implemented and accommodated while the server is running with no need to offline the server to allow modified clients, who am i to argue. There are show-stopping problems and there are annoyances. CCP has, in the past, taken the cluster down IF there were show-stoppers discovered. All we whine about right now does not affect game-play per se, it just annoys the heck out of us ( including me ). We still can play and fixes will be deployed. But right now, we can play. BM The fixes to restore the UI need to be developed, and the server needs to be taken down as soon as they are ready to be implemented rather than waiting for downtime. I didnt realise i had to spell it out like i was speaking to a child. If you feel it necessary to continue trolling, go right ahead.
Ben Musso	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:57:00 - [218] Originally by: 8klinger Hi, Still have the same problems after donwloading the patch of today. I have lost 3 days of playing the game now and getting very very upset about it. Reason being I am a paying customer! I realy enjoy the game, as I play many hours a day. Last but not least,I realy want to play again. Is there somebody that can fix this??????????????????????????????? regards. Excuse me ... what exactly is your problem that you lost 3 days of game play. You making window arrangements for screenshots ? BM
PCDRalf	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:58:00 - [219] Especially the announced-to-be-fixed-bug with the window position is still there ... the only thing vanished (if it ever existed) was their QA
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:59:00 - [220] Originally by: Ben Musso Originally by: Alejan Gerakh I realize now this means there will be UI issues, but if this kind of undertaking must be made to make the game's UI more efficient down the line, why not just wait until it's essentially ready before deployment? Make sure it is with rigorous testing, and if there are failures, back off and keep it off the live server until major testing can't find anything obvious. Hm ... what makes you think that it's not more efficient already ? I am asking "efficient" not "bug-free"/"flawless" ... BM Point taken, then. Though I will say I seem to have the least of issues if all I'm running into are a few of the window snap-to indicators missing and column issues in the Market and such, from the looks of the rest of this thread. As usual, though, CCP makes a stumble while progressing forward. I look forward to when it works as intended. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.

Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:59:00 - [221] Originally by: Ben Musso Originally by: 8klinger Hi, Still have the same problems after donwloading the patch of today. I have lost 3 days of playing the game now and getting very very upset about it. Reason being I am a paying customer! I realy enjoy the game, as I play many hours a day. Last but not least,I realy want to play again. Is there somebody that can fix this??????????????????????????????? regards. Excuse me ... what exactly is your problem that you lost 3 days of game play. You making window arrangements for screenshots ? BM Some people cant log on or update to the original patch that caused this problem, havent you got anything better to do apart from trolling people?
Jidax	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:59:00 - [222] Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: 8klinger Is there somebody that can fix this??????????????????????????????? regards. Bob The Builder. Lol. Strrrrrrrrrrrrike!
Ben Musso	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:59:00 - [223] Originally by: Jane Griffin The fixes to restore the UI need to be developed, and the server needs to be taken down as soon as they are ready to be implemented rather than waiting for downtime. I didnt realise i had to spell it out like i was speaking to a child. If you feel it necessary to continue trolling, go right ahead. Guess you are not aware that EVE-Online has daily downtime and that the patch today was deployed during todays and that the next will be deployed during on also, maybe tomorrow ( who knows ). BM
Raferau	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:59:00 - [224] Originally by: Ben Musso Originally by: Jane Griffin If you think these client side patches are able to be implemented and accommodated while the server is running with no need to offline the server to allow modified clients, who am i to argue. There are show-stopping problems and there are annoyances. CCP has, in the past, taken the cluster down IF there were show-stoppers discovered. All we whine about right now does not affect game-play per se, it just annoys the heck out of us ( including me ). We still can play and fixes will be deployed. But right now, we can play. BM One of the more important aspects of my game play is to stay alive (its a lot easier that way and you save huge ammounts of ISK) intel chat flipping to other chat pages, increased lag when leaving stations and jumping so you can find yourself ganked and podded when you eventually get there is not my idea of being able to play
vekol	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:00:00 - [225] lmao, Hiding passive modules hides all modules. Well, all this issues and a damn long downtime on Thursday for what?
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:03:00 - [226] Originally by: Ben Musso Originally by: Jane Griffin The fixes to restore the UI need to be developed, and the server needs to be taken down as soon as they are ready to be implemented rather than waiting for downtime. I didnt realise i had to spell it out like i was speaking to a child. If you feel it necessary to continue trolling, go right ahead. Guess you are not aware that EVE-Online has daily downtime and that the patch today was deployed during todays and that the next will be deployed during on also, maybe tomorrow ( who knows ). BM Now you are getting nearly as tedious as window tabs switching by themselves. All im saying is that if the fix is forthcoming, i think it will be worth it for everyone nerves to get in done sooner rather than later. If you want to wait for tomorrows downtime or who knows when, in your words, thats fine. Instead of attacking other peoples posts why not make your own saying something like; 'Hi CCP, please fix it maybe tomorrow or who knows when' and you will have accomplished everything you seem to be trying to say...
8klinger	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:04:00 - [227] sorry m8 try to send printscreen but it does not work. My overview is to big and causing problems in a mision
Ben Musso	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:06:00 - [228] Originally by: Raferau One of the more important aspects of my game play is to stay alive (its a lot easier that way and you save huge ammounts of ISK) intel chat flipping to other chat pages, increased lag when leaving stations and jumping so you can find yourself ganked and podded when you eventually get there is not my idea of being able to play Perfect example of client side vs server side issues. Window jumping around like rabbits, not sticking into place ... client side. Lag and that resulting in ganks ... could be both, client or cluster. While I do not agree about all the window fuzz ... I have not noticed more lag when jumping/undocking but that might be situational and if you have it ... worth letting CCP know so they can do something about it. BM
Ben Musso	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:08:00 - [229] Edited by: Ben Musso on 02/10/2010 13:09:32 Originally by: 8klinger sorry m8 try to send printscreen but it does not work. My overview is to big and causing problems in a mision I think there is an option to reset windows to default positions somewhere ... hold on. Settings - Reset Settings - press "Reset windows to default positions." Or rather the button to the right of it. That will reset ALL your windows also, but should take care of an overly inflated Overview. BM
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:08:00 - [230] Originally by: Ben Musso Originally by: Raferau One of the more important aspects of my game play is to stay alive (its a lot easier that way and you save huge ammounts of ISK) intel chat flipping to other chat pages, increased lag when leaving stations and jumping so you can find yourself ganked and podded when you eventually get there is not my idea of being able to play Perfect example of client side vs server side issues. Window jumping around like rabbits, not sticking into place ... client side. Lag and that resulting in ganks ... could be both, client or cluster. While I do not agree about all the window fuzz ... I have not noticed more lag when jumping/undocking but that might be situational and if you have it ... worth letting CCP know so they can do something about it. BM Maybe he should be able to post on the forum without getting trolled by some OCD drunkard? intel channel doesnt need to be causing lag to get you killed, it just needs to switch to another window when important information is coming in.

Azzail	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:10:00 - [231] Overview issues still occur from time to time! Wreck's Cargo windows are still reset every god damn time to default position. Hell it can't be that hard to fix.. Moving items is annoying since the item icon totaly overlaps the cursor. But patching worked fine and module issues seem to have gone:)
Ben Musso	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:11:00 - [232] Originally by: Jane Griffin Maybe he should be able to post on the forum without getting trolled by some OCD drunkard? intel channel doesnt need to be causing lag to get you killed, it just needs to switch to another window when important information is coming in. My medical history and pasttime pleasures do not affect my forum posting capabilities, rest assured. BM
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:14:00 - [233] Basically, no changes were made to UI... Windows keeps unstacking and jumping around, moreover, when you stack windows in one place, it's likely they get stacked all in some other place, i just had this case when my cargohold was partially overlapping chat frames, stacked other ship's cargohold with forst one... tried to, and they all got merged to the chat instead. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:15:00 - [234] Edited by: Jane Griffin on 02/10/2010 13:16:05 Originally by: Ben Musso Originally by: Jane Griffin Maybe he should be able to post on the forum without getting trolled by some OCD drunkard? intel channel doesnt need to be causing lag to get you killed, it just needs to switch to another window when important information is coming in. My medical history and pasttime pleasures do not affect my forum posting capabilities, rest assured. BM Well, were not all drunks who wouldnt know if eve was fixed or not, or troll people on issues they know nothing about like the original patching problems that have prevented many from playing at all. I think the vast majority would welcome an emergency DT as soon as a fix to restore normal UI can be created. Though, no one is forcing you to do it, you can wait until tomorrows DT or "who knows" to update yours if you wish lol...
Attila Hellsfury	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:15:00 - [235] This ** fixed nothing, my windows are still messed up. And I think most of us don't care ** about the localization or MAC users. Fix the bugs or maybe you guys need to be dragged for an EU court.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:17:00 - [236] Originally by: Jane Griffin I think the vast majority would welcome an emergency DT as soon as a fix to restore normal UI can be created. 2 problems with that...... 1 - do CCP know what the problems is? 2 - are they capable of fixing it? ....on current experience my answer for #2 would be possibly not.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:22:00 - [237] Edited by: Tonto Auri on 02/10/2010 13:23:07 We don't care on both, as long as they revert all changes done in 1.1 to the previous state. Or do they want to refund all sovereignty changes happened due to people been unable to play? -- Thanks CCP for cu
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:22:00 - [238] Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: Jane Griffin I think the vast majority would welcome an emergency DT as soon as a fix to restore normal UI can be created. 2 problems with that...... 1 - do CCP know what the problems is? 2 - are they capable of fixing it? ....on current experience my answer for #2 would be possibly not. I dont know, i cant see the UI problems being that catastrophic. Which is what makes it all the more frustrating.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:29:00 - [239] Originally by: Jane Griffin I dont know, i cant see the UI problems being that catastrophic. Which is what makes it all the more frustrating. If the main coders are working on other projects and this update/patch/botch call it what you will, has been done by noobs/rookies/the ones not trusted to work on the 'big' projects, then who knows what damage has been caused. It still boils down to the fact that less than 1 hours testing would have picked up some of these problems. Suffice to say that they either did no testing, or said stuff it and still deployed the original patch knowing it was bugged.
Ben Musso	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:30:00 - [240] Originally by: Jane Griffin Well, were not all drunks who wouldnt know if eve was fixed or not, or troll people on issues they know nothing about like the original patching problems that have prevented many from playing at all. I think the vast majority would welcome an emergency DT as soon as a fix to restore normal UI can be created. Though, no one is forcing you to do it, you can wait until tomorrows DT or "who knows" to update yours if you wish lol... Sure, I'd welcome an emergency downtime if a 100% fixed UI would be published. Since I do not see that happening anytime soon, the UI working so your "vast majority" would be happy, I go with patches during the daily downtime for now, that attempt ( within a 2 day timeframe ) to fix what your "vast majority" has discovered not working. I apply logic and patience. Sadly ... you will need to get to know EVE a lot better to understand since these are still your first few days in EVE. Play a few years :) first.

Yogurette	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:32:00 - [241] Why is there no manual patch download possible? This is just ridiculous since it is well known that the autopatching system itself is not working very well. So how should i go about patching my linux clients now? CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:34:00 - [242] Originally by: Yogurette Why is there no manual patch download possible? This is just ridiculous since it is well known that the autopatching system itself is not working very well. So how should i go about patching my linux clients now? CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! esc/general settings
Ephemeral Dreams	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:37:00 - [243] How did you people manage to screw up your unscrew-the-game patch? Where is the pop-up that's supposed to appear?
khalsou	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:43:00 - [244] hello Installed the patch, seems some issues I have are resolved (the wide chat screen stays small) but window swapping problem is still there, unable to resize overview window tp smaller size, survey scan window stacked on overview window swaps from survey to overview window the moment I target a rock, I have 3 accounts only 2 are showable in dropdown menu at login (I was able to see them all before patch). it is easy to say to stop paying and move back to wow or any other game but what whould happen if everyone stopped paying and moved to another game, this game would die like a few other good games. try to resolve the issues and not push the people away.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:46:00 - [245] Originally by: Ephemeral Dreams How did you people manage to screw up your unscrew-the-game patch? Where is the pop-up that's supposed to appear? Login to game... -- Thanks CCP for cu
John Cockcroft	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:48:00 - [246] CCP in hiring ****ty coders and failing at patches non shocker.
Feilamya Pain Elemental	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:49:00 - [247] Edited by: Feilamya on 02/10/2010 13:56:05 Don't waste time installing the patch, it doesn't fix anything.
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:50:00 - [248] Edited by: Jane Griffin on 02/10/2010 13:55:43 Originally by: Ben Musso Originally by: Jane Griffin Well, were not all drunks who wouldnt know if eve was fixed or not, or troll people on issues they know nothing about like the original patching problems that have prevented many from playing at all. I think the vast majority would welcome an emergency DT as soon as a fix to restore normal UI can be created. Though, no one is forcing you to do it, you can wait until tomorrows DT or "who knows" to update yours if you wish lol... Sure, I'd welcome an emergency downtime if a 100% fixed UI would be published. Since I do not see that happening anytime soon, the UI working so your "vast majority" would be happy, I go with patches during the daily downtime for now, that attempt ( within a 2 day timeframe ) to fix what your "vast majority" has discovered not working. I apply logic and patience. Sadly ... you will need to get to know EVE a lot better to understand since these are still your first few days in EVE. Play a few years :) first. LOL, this is a disposable scout alt. In all honesty didnt realise it was gonna get posting priorities until i posted... As for the patch, im glad that you finally agree with me that you would welcome a DT to fix the UI. Since the problems people are reporting are minor and accumulate to the client not writing to local configuration files to remember window locations i am more optimistic of the UI being restored to its former in-glory. You justify your trolling by explaining your cynicism, while i recognise that it is nothing more than contrariness to assert some kind of warped superiority... Anyway, im glad that you finally came around to the main point of DT if a fix is forthcoming, though i doubt this minor episode will stop you wasting other peoples time in the not too distant future.
Feilamya Pain Elemental	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:51:00 - [249] Originally by: Alejan Gerakh "The backend of the EVE User Interface has been refactored to allow for faster development and ease of programming" This is most disturbing. It means they might make more changes to the UI soon...
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:58:00 - [250] Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: Yogurette Why is there no manual patch download possible? This is just ridiculous since it is well known that the autopatching system itself is not working very well. So how should i go about patching my linux clients now? CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! esc/general settings lies! At least it does not show anywhere for me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

khalsou	Posted - 2010.10.02 13:58:00 - [251] Edited by: khalsou on 02/10/2010 14:01:59 Originally by: Feilamya Edited by: Feilamya on 02/10/2010 13:56:05 Don't waste time installing the patch, it doesn't fix anything. well it fixed 1 thing, chat window stays small at login LOL everything else is just as screwed up as before
Backinblack3333	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:00:00 - [252] Unable to Auto install just curious when the patch will be able to be manually downloaded?
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:05:00 - [253] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: Yogurette Why is there no manual patch download possible? This is just ridiculous since it is well known that the autopatching system itself is not working very well. So how should i go about patching my linux clients now? CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! esc/general settings lies! At least it does not show anywhere for me. ESC / GENERAL SETTINGS / OPTIONAL UPGRADE (bottom of middle column)
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:07:00 - [254] Originally by: Backinblack3333 Unable to Auto install just curious when the patch will be able to be manually downloaded? Try to delete your cache first then look under esc/ general settings.
Blnukem 192 Amarr Impetar	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:21:00 - [255] Confirming the ONLY thing the patch fixed for me is the corp member stars issue. Everything else is still broken.
R3DRUM	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:22:00 - [256] WINDOW SWAPPING STILL A PROBLEM. DO YOU NOT LISTEN TO US? DID YOU RIDE THE SHORT BUS CCP?
Farrisen Caldari Cerbian Cerbian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:23:00 - [257] Probably already been posted, i cba to read through all the pages cause i'm lazy :) Chat windows still won't stay in place between sessions. Rest of the "problems" seems to be fixed, LP-store window etc etc. And yes it clearly states in General Settings "Your client is running an optional upgrade."
Philip Richardson Depthstrike Industries G a l a c t i c Industries	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:24:00 - [258] Here's another way to get stacked windows that are normally closed to reposition. Open one window in the stack, then close it, then repeat, then repeat again. Third time opening that window resets its position. - I blame stompy for any confusion I might have caused.
Jedi 0men	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:25:00 - [259] This is all crap, Im tired of ccp's "Ignorance is fu**ing bliss" approach to this BS. Its not good business, CCP! Take Responsibility! My vote is DONT download the patch... Maybe if the white overcoats up there see that half the players didnt download their beloved update, they'll recognize that some of their customers are sick and tired of this apparent lack of interest... CCP's gonna continue to lose players with this '2 steps forward, 1 step back' approach to every update (lag anyone?). I know im coming across as a hater, but i think that i reflect everyone's opinion when i say that i wanna see the Tribune start to publish stories of how "CCP FIXES EVE, FANBASE ORGASMIC!" Everyone is about ready for a decent fix. You Listening CCP!?
Alowna	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:28:00 - [260] Hey CCP, been patient til now. But yeah...late downtime, came back up with issues, no problem, CCP says they'll fix it for the weekend..and hey, its the weekend now,patch for the patch is out, ya'know, people want to play. Guess what? IT IS STILL BROKEN

concretechiken	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:30:00 - [261] I have played many a online game.... For gameplay an what ccp does I do have to say Good Work ccp I do have some little experience as a gamer with updates... now how about not being able to stop warp before actual warp.. and the chat windows all over the place an an an I do realize every new bit of code you guys put in place has effect on total gameplay.For me this on wasn't thought through to well me thinks.i've seen some disastereous updates from other games this one isn't the greatest but it is hampering me.... 3 on a scale of 10 for fail updates
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:31:00 - [262] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 02/10/2010 14:31:52 Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: Yogurette Why is there no manual patch download possible? This is just ridiculous since it is well known that the autopatching system itself is not working very well. So how should i go about patching my linux clients now? CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! esc/general settings lies! At least it does not show anywhere for me. ESC / GENERAL SETTINGS / OPTIONAL UPGRADE (bottom of middle column) As I said: lies http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1010/lies.png :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:33:00 - [263] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs As I said: lies http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1010/lies.png :) has your general settings page always been completely empty/blank?
Blnukem 192 Amarr Impetar	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:36:00 - [264] The patch doesn't fix anything, Sidus. So don't worry.
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:41:00 - [265] Oddly enough, the complaints about chat windows/tabs don't seem to be affecting me, now that I've looked into it (I can keep my intel channel visible between transitions just fine)... I wonder if a full reinstall and such would help those who are having issues? Or would that make it worse? What about the cache clearing some have also mentioned? The reinstall only comes to my mind since there seems to be disparity among clients that I, at least, could not reconcile unless there's some sort of mismatching code from one person's botched patch. One of the various reasons they introduced the repair tool, actually. Now, of course, all of this may not do any good at all, but still, I haven't seen any of those complaining mentioning steps they have taken to try and fix it on their end, so I can only suggest ideas that come to mind. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Alabastor LeSerpe	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:42:00 - [266] Only this fixed for me was the scanner error sound. Windows are still messed up. Try harder this time, please.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:46:00 - [267] Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: Sidus Isaacs As I said: lies http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1010/lies.png :) has your general settings page always been completely empty/blank? No. Only after the last patching earlier this week. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
livinginabrothel	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:49:00 - [268] Dreadscout sounds like a total ***got tbh, his mom probably left him at an orphanage
Skeito	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:52:00 - [269] Skeito is proud to announce he can excusively reveal details of CCPs new Head Programmer in charge of QA. exclusive!!
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:54:00 - [270] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs As I said: lies http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1010/lies.png :) Login to game, imbecile... -- Thanks CCP for cu

bcs1 Minmatar River-Rats in space	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:57:00 - [271] Originally by: Feilamya Edited by: Feilamya on 02/10/2010 13:56:05 Don't waste time installing the patch, it doesn't fix anything. I disagree, I can now see and drop items into my corp member's hangers, that alone is a good start, my corpmates now have the green star as they should instead of the blue one, I now only see one instance of a stargate, station or planet listing in my overview, and so far my window sizes and placement seems to be holding. There's more, but no need to list them all is there? Without a doubt, there are still huge problems remaining, but I am still appreciative of at least these minor fixes. My Dad and my Son are my heroes, one taught me how to make him proud, and one makes me proud on a daily basis.
Calligular	Posted - 2010.10.02 14:58:00 - [272] Originally by: Constratum Originally by: Calligular Originally by: keirasu Edited by: keirasu on 01/10/2010 19:19:26 Jhhheeeeezzzus..... stop your **ing and moaning. Yes problems arose with yesterday's patch, they came up with a fix the next day. You can't always foresee bugs that will arise, but its not like CCP sat on their laurels when things went south. Anyway whining = annoying (yes, I'm prepared emotionally to be quoted and whined at) Edit: This is of course not directed at everyone in this post Dont mean any emotional harm by this ;) but when people pay for a service, they expect it to work. The problem is, its not the first time this has happened and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree that the UI has always been buggy (One of the most buggiest UI's of a game i have ever used) In my humble opinion, it gives the impression of "we don't care" and makes CCP look unprofessional, which can't be good for any business. Saying that it's good that CCP brought a fix out the next day isn't the point, with the amount of bugs that showed up after the patch indicated to me, at least, that there may be possible concerns with bug testing. Just my two penny worth. Peace my friend :) lol people moan cos they have no life and spend there time in the basement of there mum's house playing eve all day, i'd like to see you make a game with no bugs or glitches, so shut your mouth LOL hmmmm, nope, dont have a basement, particularly not my mum's (she's dead by the way) and, yup, i do have a life (married, kids, job and the responsibilities). Nope, don't want to learn how to program and write a bug free program, same as I dont want to be a car industry worker and build the perfect reliable car, because I all ready have a job which I do. OK, ask yourself this question: can YOU truthfully say that you have always been happy after paying for something that is faulty? you've always thought "oh well, ** happens" ? You've NEVER taken anything back to a shop because its faulty? And, BTW, Eve has always had UI problems, which, as I will mention again, is the one thing you ought to be getting right, its the FIRST thing your customers see..... I expect to get a product that does what it's supposed to, I pay for it, it dosn't have to be perfect all the time (it would be nice if it would be), I understand that bugs will creep in sometimes, but all the time? C'mon!!!
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.02 15:00:00 - [273] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 02/10/2010 15:02:03 Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: Sidus Isaacs As I said: lies http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1010/lies.png :) Login to game, imbecile... Should not be necessary, idiot ;) (not to patch it at any rate) Edit: To add to this, I have patched my game, I just had to do something I should not have had to do to do it. So meh. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Julienne Poirier Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.02 15:18:00 - [274] hmmm, pc version, windows still jump around. á --- how to search eve
Icarantus	Posted - 2010.10.02 15:20:00 - [275] Sorry to break with tradition. Good work CCP on live fire patching the patch so quick. Ignore the pansies and trollers, most of us are satisfied. Unfortunately when you have a forum on anything, the moaners and whingers will always outnumber the satisfied because it's not human nature to post when you are content.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.02 15:25:00 - [276] Originally by: Icarantus Sorry to break with tradition. Good work CCP on live fire patching the patch so quick. Ignore the pansies and trollers, most of us are satisfied. Unfortunately when you have a forum on anything, the moaners and whingers will always outnumber the satisfied because it's not human nature to post when you are content. As 1 who has still yet to d/l the patch, could you elaborate on what exactly its fixed for you?
Icarantus	Posted - 2010.10.02 15:30:00 - [277] Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: Icarantus Sorry to break with tradition. Good work CCP on live fire patching the patch so quick. Ignore the pansies and trollers, most of us are satisfied. Unfortunately when you have a forum on anything, the moaners and whingers will always outnumber the satisfied because it's not human nature to post when you are content. As 1 who has still yet to d/l the patch, could you elaborate on what exactly its fixed for you? Biggest problem for me was the cargo/contents windows not stacking which is essential for me and the Market orders windows were screwed up when it came to looking at prices over a million isk. The noises were fixed too so all good.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.02 15:35:00 - [278] Originally by: Icarantus Biggest problem for me was the cargo/contents windows not stacking which is essential for me and the Market orders windows were screwed up when it came to looking at prices over a million isk. The noises were fixed too so all good. So the cargo window does stack? Thats 2 conflicting posts ive now seen then, 1 says it doesnt, 1 says it does. Great
Cyxopyc Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:01:00 - [279] Normally I can only do manual patching because the autoupdate fails. I followed CCP Navigator's instructions about hitting ESC in game, General Settings, and applying the patch from the 'Install' button. The process went the whole way through... it worked. == Support fixing the EVE UI
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:02:00 - [280] Originally by: Icarantus Ignore the pansies and trollers, most of us are satisfied. Wrong. The "pansies and trollers" are the ones they need to listen to, or it won't be "most of us" for longà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Kaivaja	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:03:00 - [281] Originally by: Icarantus and the Market orders windows were screwed up when it came to looking at prices over a million isk. This is easy to fix. The column width is just too narrow. Drag the column to be wider, close and reopen the window. Repeat for other windows as needed.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:09:00 - [282] \o/ Corpies. Now with more green.
Sal Alo Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:10:00 - [283] Edited by: Sal Alo on 02/10/2010 16:12:45 (and buy me a Photoshop book ) Just a bit of humor, we love you guys
Fred Munro Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:11:00 - [284] Edited by: Fred Munro on 02/10/2010 16:12:39 Still hasnt fixed the Drone command glitch "Acolyte II (Fighting )" ... oh well, its not major just annoying :\|
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:17:00 - [285] I have found one workaround for stacked windows that gets unstacked every time you log in. Leave them unpinned and they will stay in place. If they are pinned when you log out they will be all over the place when you log back in.
Monistat Seven Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:22:00 - [286] 1.1 optional patch: In space, opened a BPC to "show info". Window was docked off screen at the top. Could not close or move it. I docked in a station and it popped into place.
bcs1 Minmatar River-Rats in space	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:26:00 - [287] Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: Icarantus Sorry to break with tradition. Good work CCP on live fire patching the patch so quick. Ignore the pansies and trollers, most of us are satisfied. Unfortunately when you have a forum on anything, the moaners and whingers will always outnumber the satisfied because it's not human nature to post when you are content. As 1 who has still yet to d/l the patch, could you elaborate on what exactly its fixed for you? While I'm not the one you posed the question to, if you refer to my earlier post you'll see a few things that are now fixed for me as well. Hope that helps. Bill My Dad and my Son are my heroes, one taught me how to make him proud, and one makes me proud on a daily basis.
bcs1 Minmatar River-Rats in space	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:28:00 - [288] Originally by: Sal Alo Edited by: Sal Alo on 02/10/2010 16:12:45 (and buy me a Photoshop book ) Just a bit of humor, we love you guys ROFLMAO.... Bravo, well done.... :D My Dad and my Son are my heroes, one taught me how to make him proud, and one makes me proud on a daily basis.
Ley Lee	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:30:00 - [289] If I sad "NO", than change my mind - where I can get this <optional> patch for download?
Urgg Boolean	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:33:00 - [290] Originally by: Icarantus Sorry to break with tradition. Good work CCP on live fire patching the patch so quick. Ignore the pansies and trollers, most of us are satisfied. Unfortunately when you have a forum on anything, the moaners and whingers will always outnumber the satisfied because it's not human nature to post when you are content. I'm curious. Just how badly does CCP have to screw up before you will become dissatisfied? This patch is remarkably bad. Praising CCP for this debacle is dysfunctional and enabling behavior on the part of the customers. Kind of like when some guy beats his wife, then the wife apologizes and tells him what a real man he is. "Beat me more. You know I deserve it." CCP has fallen below even the simplest level of professional performance, and rebuke is not only justified, but required by the rate payers such that our expectations are made clear. Continued tolerance for incompetence means continued incompetence.

khalsou	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:39:00 - [291] LOL new problem.. killed a rat target remains, almost dead but rat is dead, looted and salvaged, still hanging in screen trying to find way to upload screenshot adding link later when I have found a place
LatexGirl	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:43:00 - [292] If it aint broken it's about time we do it.. Windows popping up where THEY want to, not where you want them. Planet materials moving around between spaceports. Is it alive ? .. Creepy.. Where are my overview when i undock.. Left ? , Middle ? or to the Right where it is supposed to be ? And what about the ultra tiny font type when writing in chats?. ni looks like an r with a dot over itself. If it get's any smaller i guess i'll have to buy me a 40" monitor instead of my current 24". Cant believe there are so many bugs in a, hopefully, well tested patch (I assume the test server are made for testing stuff before it is released on the live server). Only have one word for a fix... Rollback
Cael Vhiran	Posted - 2010.10.02 17:01:00 - [293] I'm one of the (seemingly many) mac users who downloaded the patch, tried to run it, and got an error saying files have been changed and that I needed to reinstall eve. When I start the game it recognizes that I downloaded yesterday's patch (the non-optional one) and tries to run that, but doesn't give me the option to download the optional one. I can't access my esc menu because the "run non-optional patch" window blocks it. My questions are: 1) Is there a way I can get to the optional patch out of game? 2) Will it fix the problem I've been trying and failing to get addressed, which is the inability for many mac users to even log in?
Prince Spiderman	Posted - 2010.10.02 17:03:00 - [294] The patch was a bit annyoing indeed. But what's really annyoing: all these pathetic narrow-minded middle-class player posting their bs here. I just say: you hate CCP, EVE is a piece of crap, EVE is dying, you expect CCP should change your nappies everytime when you feel unhappy because you pay incredible 10 bucks per months - but CCP ignores you? Then just terminate your account and get rid of your weird addiction. And: NO, noone wants to have your filthy stuff :-D
Ataxio	Posted - 2010.10.02 17:13:00 - [295] Windows still wont stay put on the PC version after the optional patch. New windows always open in the middle of the screen as well, and never reopen in their last position. This is effectively keeping me offline until there is a fix, despite it being such a simple problem. Guess I'm just that OCD about my UI. I hate to feed the trolls on this one, but this patch really seems to of have done more harm then good.
Jake Diamond	Posted - 2010.10.02 17:23:00 - [296] Originally by: CCP Navigator An optional patch will be deployed during downtime on Saturday, October 2 which will fix several issues reported to us following the release of Tyrannis 1.1. While the patch is optional, we would encourage everyone to apply the update to ensure your gameplay is improved over the weekend. The optional patch will be included in a future client update. A full list of updated patch notes can be found here. Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility. If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but you will none of the fixes applied. If you clicked 'No' in error you can still apply the patch by going to the ESC menu, General Settings and apply the patch from the 'Install' button there. I had originally clicked 'No' not to install the patch. Then I logged on to the Administrator account, loaded up Eve, clicked ESC and went to the General Settings tab, but there is no 'Install' button there. Is there another way I can install this patch?
Sequince	Posted - 2010.10.02 17:24:00 - [297] Installed Patch .....no change everything still broken!!!! Uninstalled through ESC menu....everything still broken!!!!!! Reinstalled...... CLEARED CACHE....yup you guessed it..everything still BROKEN!!!!!!
Senior Operator	Posted - 2010.10.02 17:34:00 - [298] Installed patch. No obvious changes, other than for the first time since I began playing EVE (over 2 years) my client is aborting to desktop repeatedly (several times per hour). Windows 7 64 bit
Zverofaust Gallente Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.10.02 17:43:00 - [299] Edited by: Zverofaust on 02/10/2010 17:46:30 Confirming the optional patch literally made every problem I've been having worse. I think I've figured out what it is; When I have stacked windows (for instance Overview and Fleet and Watchlist) the client automatically switches to any window that updates. For instance if people are moving around/leaving Fleet it'll constantly switch to the Fleet window in the stack every time; if Overview is changing (people going on/off grid) it will switch to the Overview every time, etc. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara
NewGit Caldari Rusty Industries	Posted - 2010.10.02 17:51:00 - [300] Installed the (optional) patch to the patch (6 times, once per client). Two noticeable changes. Fleet window acts normally and the chat window(s) remain at the size/position previously set. Other than that, windows (info/cargo) continue to open in the center of the screen, no matter how often I move them, pin them, unpin them, they just won't stay put ! Double entries in the overview continue, as well as the "phantoms" that follow you from system to system. Probably some other stuff that I haven't tried yet. --------------* If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, mine it.

Fred Munro	Posted - 2010.10.02 17:54:00 - [301] Originally by: Zverofaust Also, performance is now so terrible that having two clients open with both characters on grid (even an empty grid, even if both cloaked) causes such lag as to make game unplayable. However I can run six clients at the same time and no noticeable lag, so obviously there is not a distinct problem causing lag. Thats with all six clients running L4 missions, three clients at one and three at another.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.10.02 18:03:00 - [302] 300th post sniper! -- Fine Mag's no Purple ok! But I am the Snyper Queen!
chacoty	Posted - 2010.10.02 18:09:00 - [303] this is ****king stupid i cant play the game disconnects every 30 minutes ish
Iron Davis	Posted - 2010.10.02 18:19:00 - [304] You guys need to layoff the comments, it's an "optional" patch. CCP has done a beauiful job over the years and I can personally state that from experience, just do the "optional patch" and enjoy the game.
LHA Tarawa	Posted - 2010.10.02 18:27:00 - [305] This thing is a cpu hog. I used to run 3 clients at about 60% cpu on my 2ghz single core. Now I'm 70-80% with 1 clinet, pegged 100% with 2, and dog slow response if I try to run all 3 of my accounts. No need for 3 accounts if I can't use them all.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.10.02 18:32:00 - [306] Windows are still borked.. and I'm still quite annoyed by it. Might want to fix it kinda soon, CCP. It's one of them things that new players are going to find, strange, annoying, frustrating, to the point you going to lose out some new subs. Originally by: Iron Davis You guys need to layoff the comments, it's an "optional" patch. CCP has done a beauiful job over the years and I can personally state that from experience, just do the "optional patch" and enjoy the game. It isn't an 'Optional' patch. It's a patch to fix what they broke from a patch that was mandatory. And it's pretty bad how little this patch did, with how much it broke. At a time when the player base isn't entirely thrilled with the company, wondering how they are devoting their time and resources to EVE over other projects. When a patch like this comes along.. it really, really makes people wonder if they just have some small B-team of programmers and devs left working on EVE when **** comes up this poor in quality. Is this what we get to expect come Incursion, broken old important features along with half filled, broken new features? Fantastic.. I was excited before, recently.. I am left, bland. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Phenethylamine	Posted - 2010.10.02 18:43:00 - [307] How can I be sure this successfully installed? EVE just brought up a DOS shell window and hung when I restarted to apply the patch. I'm honestly not sure if it updated or just screwed the pooch and died. About menu says Version: 6.31.185699 All in all I have to say this experience really does not command a lot of respect.
Steijn Minmatar Quay Industries	Posted - 2010.10.02 18:45:00 - [308] Originally by: Phenethylamine How can I be sure this successfully installed? EVE just brought up a DOS shell window and hung when I restarted to apply the patch. I'm honestly not sure if it updated or just screwed the pooch and died. About menu says Version: 6.31.185699 All in all I have to say this experience really does not command a lot of respect. goto Esc/general settings, at the bottom in the middle does it say apply patch or patch applied? )or something along those lines).
Darko Reia	Posted - 2010.10.02 18:49:00 - [309]
Veilag	Posted - 2010.10.02 18:54:00 - [310] Originally by: Darko Reia i agree.

Alewx	Posted - 2010.10.02 18:57:00 - [311] Edited by: Alewx on 02/10/2010 18:58:36 I installed the patch, and there are still windows flipping its position when i close the martket window or the Skilltraininglist, to tell some examples. I noticed that only the windows i set up in the corners are flipping its position, hope that will help a bit to find the problems. Even after reseting all to standart positions and sizes and cleared the cache. I hope there will be one more patch for this in the next days, because i love EVE really.
Ergion Thorn	Posted - 2010.10.02 19:01:00 - [312] Edited by: Ergion Thorn on 02/10/2010 19:06:01 hi, the window stacking and positioning still don't work proper, after i open the cargo and put on the bottom-left corner, then open the dronebay and stack it on the cargo, then close them and open the dronebay first it appear on the top-left corner. anyway, texts on the character selection screen are unreadable. thx erm and on the general settings tab the optional upgrade text and the lines arround it are badly positioned. whats up guys? u have changed ur coders? old ones were better. it is a simple task, really....
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.02 19:03:00 - [313] It appears that the "optional" portion of 1.1a refers to the optional nature of it actually fixing anything.
akcowboy	Posted - 2010.10.02 19:03:00 - [314] Looks to me as this is not an optional patch, it will not let me continue using the current version it indicates that the version is incompatable and will not let a person log back into the server, therefore the comement of optional should not even be stated.
Mathazarn	Posted - 2010.10.02 19:04:00 - [315] ok well just logged in and started some mining. Still the fleet window cannot be stacked into overview, still the cargohold window reverts back to center of the screen, and the new drag n drop animation sucks ballz. The old one was way better. I have applied the optional patch already. The good news, local can now be placed back off-screen. Hope you guys are having fun figuring our who spilt the coffee on the server and causing the FUBAR. Cheers.
Reignier Kore	Posted - 2010.10.02 19:17:00 - [316] Just like to confirm that the patch did nothing for the chat windows. I still have the exact same troubles as I did when earlier. I have 2 groups of stacked windows, each with about 3 stacked together. Every time I log in they scatter across my screen and ungroup from one another. Its getting to a point where I can't even be bothered to log in because I have to fix this every time. Rather just see CCP roll the patch back, it would be the smart thing to do.
Mordikah Gallente Arregon	Posted - 2010.10.02 19:19:00 - [317] I don't see any optional patch, checked the patch download section and all I see is the same patch that my current version is. So where is this "optional" patch? or did you pull it for more patching?
Forlorn Wongraven Universal Army Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.10.02 19:33:00 - [318] All the fixes in the optional patch did not fix it. Clearing cache, reinstalling, deleting the whole setting folder and restarting to move all the windows around just leads to the same window misbehaviour again after restarting the client. Epic fail! At least I can move my chat windows that i can actually click on overview and move around a bit in space. ____________________ Lord Makk > I swear to god if there is a saviour, his name is Forlorn.
Nilanea Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.02 19:40:00 - [319] Edited by: Nilanea on 02/10/2010 19:41:24 Odd, this optional patch requires you to log in FIRST and then you can download the patch. shrug Strange. So you log in first, apply patch, client restarts, and then you relog back in to play. scratches head. Oo***.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.02 19:50:00 - [320] As this patch seems to do very little, if in fact anything at all, does anyone else get the impression that it was just a PR stunt?

foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.10.02 20:15:00 - [321] Originally by: Orange Lagomorph It appears that the "optional" portion of 1.1a refers to the optional nature of it actually fixing anything. This. _______________________ Drink Eau du Nichup«, the taste of heaven. Now available as Nichup Citrus« as well!
Phenethylamine	Posted - 2010.10.02 20:26:00 - [322] Confirmed that I did successfully install the patch. Confirmed that it doesn't fix chat window cascading, or the resetting of window positions to default. Jolly good job, guys. You look worse than Microsoft.
khalsou	Posted - 2010.10.02 20:27:00 - [323] I am wondering why CCP is not replying now seeing all the players having problems they could actually be here and talk/reply to us and maybe even explaining why this is and what/if they gonna do something about it...
Wrayeth Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2010.10.02 20:29:00 - [324] Originally by: khalsou I am wondering why CCP is not replying now seeing all the players having problems they could actually be here and talk/reply to us and maybe even explaining why this is and what/if they gonna do something about it... My guess? It's Saturday and most of the CCP folks are at home with their families or out at a bar. That's kind of the thing to do on weekends, after all... TBH, I'm probably going to wait for them to fix the window bug before I patch up; I've still got a few days of training left on both accounts. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.02 20:35:00 - [325] Which is the logical course of action when a patch causes wildly disproportionate quantities of bugs compared to the handful of tweaks and new features it introduces? Is it: A.) Allow the patch to remain deployed, frantically releasing emergency patches and hotfixes whilst the entire player base suffers through a laggy, buggy gaming environment. B.) Roll back the patch, return to testing it in an actual testing environment, and allow the player base to continue enjoying the game while you iron out the bugs. or C.) Take off and nuke the entire game from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
bcs1 Minmatar River-Rats in space	Posted - 2010.10.02 20:51:00 - [326] Originally by: Fred Munro Originally by: Zverofaust Also, performance is now so terrible that having two clients open with both characters on grid (even an empty grid, even if both cloaked) causes such lag as to make game unplayable. However I can run six clients at the same time and no noticeable lag, so obviously there is not a distinct problem causing lag. Thats with all six clients running L4 missions, three clients at one and three at another. I cannot run all 4 accounts at the same time without horrible "bursts" of lag that essentially freezes both/all accounts solid every time a ship blows up, or something changes, this happens whether I'm running 1, 2, 3, or all 4 accounts, and yes, the CPU usage has almost doubled even on my quad core system with 8 gig of ram and a decent Inet connection. My Dad and my Son are my heroes, one taught me how to make him proud, and one makes me proud on a daily basis.
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.10.02 20:55:00 - [327] Originally by: Nilanea Edited by: Nilanea on 02/10/2010 19:41:24 Odd, this optional patch requires you to log in FIRST and then you can download the patch. shrug Strange. So you log in first, apply patch, client restarts, and then you relog back in to play. scratches head. Oo**. It is odd that you mention this. I was wondering why Vista didn't chirp up and ask for permission to change stuff. I wonder what CCP actually did to get around this OS feature that never* fails to be invoked by the standard EVE patching mechanism...
Odiferous Flatulentus	Posted - 2010.10.02 20:59:00 - [328] CCP please rollback this hideous piece of @#!$ u call a PATCH, it has done nothing but make alot of paying customers unable to enjoy this truly fabulous game, is it so hard to admit u guys screwed the pooch on this one? Seriously, roll it back and take the time to iron out the kinks, instead of throwing out an additional optional patch for us to test for u. that is just FAIL and shame on you CCP. ROLL IT BACK AND GET IT RIGHT.
Simone deBeauvoir	Posted - 2010.10.02 21:03:00 - [329] Originally by: Odiferous Flatulentus CCP please rollback this hideous piece of @#!$ u call a PATCH, it has done nothing but make alot of paying customers unable to enjoy this truly fabulous game, is it so hard to admit u guys screwed the pooch on this one? Seriously, roll it back and take the time to iron out the kinks, instead of throwing out an additional optional patch for us to test for u. that is just FAIL and shame on you CCP. ROLL IT BACK AND GET IT RIGHT. Odiferous, stfu CCP, the patch isn't available for manual download? Cancelled out of the patch on one my clients and now dont seem to be able to try again...
Odiferous Flatulentus	Posted - 2010.10.02 21:13:00 - [330] Edited by: Odiferous Flatulentus on 02/10/2010 21:17:10 Originally by: Simone deBeauvoir Originally by: Odiferous Flatulentus CCP please rollback this hideous piece of @#!$ u call a PATCH, it has done nothing but make alot of paying customers unable to enjoy this truly fabulous game, is it so hard to admit u guys screwed the pooch on this one? Seriously, roll it back and take the time to iron out the kinks, instead of throwing out an additional optional patch for us to test for u. that is just FAIL and shame on you CCP. ROLL IT BACK AND GET IT RIGHT. Odiferous, stfu CCP, the patch isn't available for manual download? Cancelled out of the patch on one my clients and now dont seem to be able to try again... lol u tell me to stfu and u cant even patch ur game? I'm glad CCP is meeting YOUR lowered expectations,moron.

Jaqel Broadside	Posted - 2010.10.02 21:29:00 - [331] Loaded the patch,, went out to do a mission,,, Lo and behold I now have 3 leaders of my gang,, all the same character two fleet commanders and and one squad leader,, and the client is perminantly trying to update the window. It goes without saying all the window bugs still exist. Made me ROLFMAO,,, CCP should rename to "Bugs R Us". Stuck my nose in here in the vain hope one day CCP will actually bother to listen to their customers who actually do bother to test this junk,,,
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.02 21:30:00 - [332] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/10/2010 21:31:13 Thursday patch broke a lot of things for me, from sounds to chats, from windows stacking / resetting to overview symbols. From UI modules sounds to market edit boxes. Today's patch fixed the following: - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Frank Lonehorn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.10.02 21:47:00 - [333] Ok after doing my own test, I have found a fix I beleave. Its the pinning of windows that causes the problems of windows unstacking, and defaulting. So till CCP fixes the window problem, dont pin your windows, you can stack just not pin. I hope this helps you guys out too
Titus Phook Amarr	Posted - 2010.10.02 22:02:00 - [334] Have applied the optional patch to both my clients, different results for each. On one client my trade character generally has wallet, assets and market stacked together, doing anything in the market/wallet windows like updating an order, placing a buy or sell order and it flips back to assets, also column widths are fubared, no problems with the chat windows though. Suffering from overview glitches and salvage windows as per numerous other people on another character (trader never undocks) On my mining character I get the overview glitches & column width glitches but no problems with market/assets/wallet combo , can or chat windows. Random bug fixes ftw there --------------------------------------------- Proudly posting with my Alt since 2009
Captain Megadeath	Posted - 2010.10.02 22:09:00 - [335] Does anyone have a direct link to this "Optional" patch? Neither of my five clients got a pop-up for it. Just a link to this thread. Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
Frank Lonehorn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.10.02 22:12:00 - [336] look under ur esape menu in game under genral settings, and you shoud see it there.
Rieleph	Posted - 2010.10.02 22:13:00 - [337] Originally by: Frank Lonehorn you can stack just not pin. False for me. I have Character Sheet and Skill Planner (or what's its name) stacked. Every time I pull skill to queue, I'm thrown back to character page. They are not pinned.
Jena67	Posted - 2010.10.02 22:16:00 - [338] All items stuck still patch and petition did nothing, customer care? that was removed in one of the patches i guess, feel like i'm wasting my money really. Role back the patch so i can atleast get my billions back that are missing so i can consolidate and cancel my alt accounts since the game is unplayable. What happend to the game
Frank Lonehorn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.10.02 22:18:00 - [339] hmm, well i have not one single problem with windows now. clear ur cash, then try it again, make sure u have the 1.1 patch installed first tho.
Frank Lonehorn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.10.02 22:22:00 - [340] and BTW for you all, its a code problem, it takes time to find the error in the cod first then fix it, it will be done tho, i have faith in CCP.

Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.02 22:33:00 - [341] Originally by: Frank Lonehorn hmm, well i have not one single problem with windows now. clear ur cash, then try it again, make sure u have the 1.1 patch installed first tho. Do you work on hte QA team? That would certainly explain your comment here. Only other explanation is that you never do anything with your windows and just have them appear in default places and never pin them. As for glitches, i think ive found a new one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y5LtNtHr4 seems to only happen with the drone control window, when its at the top of the screen.
Lirael Dyrim Gallente THE DISC	Posted - 2010.10.02 22:35:00 - [342] The "Put offline/online" button on the POS manager is still showing just the one word of "Put" even after the patch. There are still things broken after this supposed "patch", could you guys just stop fapping over your Incarna renders for a few minutes and actually fix something for once?
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.02 23:21:00 - [343] Originally by: Frank Lonehorn it takes time to find the error in the cod first then fix it For reference, everyone, here is an example of completely error-free cod: This is what EVE's cod will look like in a few months.
Jenny Hawk State War Academy	Posted - 2010.10.02 23:49:00 - [344] I have't read all the pages but a few things still "bugging" me after the 1.1 optional patch: 1. When I change skillqueue and press "apply" it immediately jumps back to character sheet 2. When using F buttons to fire weapons it sometimes displays ALL possible buttons on the screen 3. Pressing the visual buttons to fire weapons with my mouse often doesn't work at all 4. When setting destination it sometimes displays multiple stargates in yellow or shows all gates double on my overview 5. When I drag a window to another position it jumps back to the original position when I close/open again. Especially with loot boxes, which is quite annoying
superstrong	Posted - 2010.10.03 00:03:00 - [345] With the amount of code interacting and I'm sure there's systemic anomalies inherent in the code somewhere. The thing is ccp is trying to please all of the people all of the time. I'm also sure with all the operating systems being used its a task in itself to comply with everyone's Video cards which most manufacturer's don't really (wink wink) support. So given the task at hand just wait it out and let other people do your debugging. I for one am not going anywhere until these issues are resolved. Ill sit in dock and just train. Good Luck CCP..
Teck Nine	Posted - 2010.10.03 00:41:00 - [346] Edited by: Teck Nine on 03/10/2010 00:42:39 More Bugs I've found - Alot of random D/C - Alot of Socket Closed - Some times changing tabs via clicking by mouse doesn't always change the tabs Would like to see the sound back for when you drop an item into the cargo hold, station and such I like how the pi extractor searching is faster then it use to be good job.
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Mobile Alcohol Processing Units Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.10.03 02:02:00 - [347] So when's the patch to fix the patch that was supposed to patch the patch? Because I miss Tyrannis 1.0.x ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
wr3cks Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.10.03 02:03:00 - [348] This game is really going down the ****ter fast. I guess that's what happens when you get greedy and try to make 2 other games while you put your flagship product on life support. Pretty stupid management.
Toovhon	Posted - 2010.10.03 02:19:00 - [349] Originally by: Ting Mei Originally by: Petunia666 all this emo rage is pretty sweet Agree :p Wow, you're sick in the head if you like the current situation. It's like you're in a bad relationship, but you've confused getting hurt with love. -- Frog blast the vent core!
Salavie	Posted - 2010.10.03 02:39:00 - [350] This whole patch is bull****! This morning i log on and keep getting socket closed. so when i try and restart the client i get a nice optional update window. i download it and then i keep getting the bulk data stuck at 5. i read the thread online in which a GM had said to delete some folders and run the eve repair tool. this has not helped any at all and i even tried reinstalling the client to no avail. I think if CCP is gona put out patches they should do it right.

Toovhon	Posted - 2010.10.03 02:54:00 - [351] THE OPTIONAL PATCH HASN'T FIXED *ANYTHING*. What. The. !@#$? My pinned tabbed windows are STILL ungrouped and stacked. If I unpin them they are moved instead to the top left of the UI. Windows will not stay in place. They will not stay tabbed. They will not stay the same size. Just WTF was this patch supposed to do??? -- Frog blast the vent core!
Aliraxi Gallente Cow Boys From HeII Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.03 02:57:00 - [352] Edited by: Aliraxi on 03/10/2010 02:59:51 Originally by: Toovhon What. The. !@#$? Same here. Nothing was fixed at all as far as I can see. Now one of my corpmates is also reporting his UI bugs up when he undocks and goes to activate his modules. All 3 rows of modules become "active" like his ship has 8 slots on the ship for each type, but none of the modules will activate to be used or offline/online/reload. Also, I have my fleet window stacked with another window, and whenever someone makes a broadcast the fleet window is automatically made the focus. Can I has a cookie?
Sting667	Posted - 2010.10.03 03:11:00 - [353] Lets see... This patch affects different players differently. It was released in time for the week-end when it would be busy and hopefully active in 0.0. The "corrective" patch was released so fast that it appears they had it in the making while they were releasing the 1.1 patch. Does anyone else think that CCP "patched" things for their new servers to perform and kinda knew the process would involve many glitches that relate to client platforms?
Toovhon	Posted - 2010.10.03 03:22:00 - [354] Originally by: Ben Musso Edited by: Ben Musso on 02/10/2010 13:09:32 Originally by: 8klinger sorry m8 try to send printscreen but it does not work. My overview is to big and causing problems in a mision I think there is an option to reset windows to default positions somewhere ... hold on. Settings - Reset Settings - press "Reset windows to default positions." Or rather the button to the right of it. That will reset ALL your windows also, but should take care of an overly inflated Overview. BM Well I have: clear caches reset window positions reset all of UI manually deleted Eve's settings and caches reinstalled Eve installed optional patch which does nothing So I think it's just a wee waste of time suggesting resetting windows will fix anything currently affected. -- Frog blast the vent core!
GhostWolf007 Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.10.03 03:41:00 - [355] Will this help me win the lottery??? :-p II The Knights of Gemini Forums II "Give me back my Jet Can...or the Bunny gets it!
Toovhon	Posted - 2010.10.03 03:43:00 - [356] Originally by: Orange Lagomorph Which is the logical course of action when a patch causes wildly disproportionate quantities of bugs compared to the handful of tweaks and new features it introduces? Is it: A.) Allow the patch to remain deployed, frantically releasing emergency patches and hotfixes whilst the entire player base suffers through a laggy, buggy gaming environment. B.) Roll back the patch, return to testing it in an actual testing environment, and allow the player base to continue enjoying the game while you iron out the bugs. or C.) Take off and nuke the entire game from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q -- Frog blast the vent core!
Ikserak tai	Posted - 2010.10.03 03:49:00 - [357] Originally by: Toovhon THE OPTIONAL PATCH HASN'T FIXED *ANYTHING. What. The. !@#$? My pinned tabbed windows are STILL ungrouped and stacked. If I unpin them they are moved instead to the top left of the UI. Windows will not stay in place. They will not stay tabbed. They will not stay the same size. Just WTF was this patch supposed to do??? ^^this^^ All day long the windows change size, decimal points are truncated, move about randomly, and start in the upper left hand corner and have to be moved every time.* What a stinking hassle. You undock, go about your business, and return to have the same crap recur. You log in with another character, same account, and things change again. Rather than concentrate on playing the game, you are constantly reminded a whole bunch of things are screwed up and enjoyment goes out the window (heh-heh). This reminds me of work where the bosses constantly change things without any data to back up their stupid decision making process. And just screw things up further by implementing the changes anyway. YOU'VE NEVER ROCKED 'TIL YOU'VE UNDOCKED.
Enkill Eridos	Posted - 2010.10.03 06:07:00 - [358] A lot of you have been *****ing..you know what? I have had minimal problems with the UI or new patch. I don't pin windows either. I like my windows to pop up randomly so I can put them where I want them. CCP has done a good job with Tyrannis so far. I like the optional patch. I had a little bit of problems that seemed server side, but they were fixed before I could put in a ticket. To all those saying Customer happiness and that these bugs should never happen I have to explain something to you. EVE Online is a pretty unique game, I have yet to see one that is just one server for everyone. Then you have clients for people who speak languages other than English. So CCP basically has to keep customers from ALL OVER THE WORLD happy. And as long as the majority is happy, that's all that matters. For those having problems with connecting or hangups with EVE. I have a suggestion. Download CCleaner and Defraggler they are free. If you don't know were to get it I will help you out a little. Go to http://www.google.com and search those names. If you play a lot of games you should be using a similar two programs. I like these two because they don't stay on all the time. Run CCleaner once a week and Defraggler bi-monthly. But for right now run those two as soon as you install them. After CCleaner cleans out the Windows Cache Folders Then run Defraggler to defrag the computer. (You can use the one that comes with windows, but I am not happy with the defrag program that comes with windows.) See if that works. Remember if you all of a sudden have problems after a patch try doing some cleanup on your computer (You should do this at least once a week anyway.) Then see if that fixes it. If it does not submit a ticket, CCP devs will fix it as soon as they can.
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.10.03 06:32:00 - [359] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/10/2010 21:31:13 Thursday patch broke a lot of things for me, from sounds to chats, from windows stacking / resetting to overview symbols. From UI modules sounds to market edit boxes. Today's patch fixed the following: Strangely enough, I had a problem with the overview moving to cascade over selected items that hung around no matter what I did to fix it. Thursday's patch finally fixed it.
Frug Omega Wing	Posted - 2010.10.03 06:45:00 - [360] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Thursday patch broke a lot of things for me, from sounds to chats, from windows stacking / resetting to overview symbols. From UI modules sounds to market edit boxes. Today's patch fixed the following: Confirming that this patch fixed Out of the several dozen stupid things they broke. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor

UGWidowmaker Caldari freelancers inc -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.10.03 06:55:00 - [361] after this patch ive had few owerview bugs among em is doubel up on static stuff like station etc.. OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
Firia O'Flame	Posted - 2010.10.03 07:12:00 - [362] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/10/2010 21:31:13 Thursday patch broke a lot of things for me, from sounds to chats, from windows stacking / resetting to overview symbols. From UI modules sounds to market edit boxes. Today's patch fixed the following: This is truth. I haven't seen any fix to the problems caused by the 1.1 "patch"
Zebs Clone Minmatar Zebra Corp United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.03 07:55:00 - [363] why when i click on a modual do all my empty mod slots show and the mod not get activated? is this a new FU feature from ccp?
Kai Ko	Posted - 2010.10.03 08:01:00 - [364] Platform: Mac I have installed the optional update and still there is not change, my windows don;t size correctly, sounds such as clicking buttons don;t sound, sounds of missiles firing still missing.
Smejka	Posted - 2010.10.03 08:08:00 - [365] Hmm well still my local, corp, alliance chat windows are all around my screen. I tried not to pin them, same result. Tried to pin them, well same resut all around my screen. So what about new patch to repair UI pls...
Ark Tribor	Posted - 2010.10.03 10:11:00 - [366] Good God. First it was the Epic Fail that was the 1.1 patch. A patch whose deficiencies would have been glaringly obvious with 5 whole minutes worth of testing. Now we have Failboat 2.0! THIS PATCH FIX FIXED NOTHING!!! NOTHING!! Not a single damn problem was fixed. I still have to chase all my UI windows around the screen and resize them everytime i open one, my sounds are still all screwy, every once in awhile my hidden modules pop up for no reason, and, (and this one is really, really difficult to take) the lag is WORSE than pre-1.1! Jumping through gates, leaving stations, etc....I have seen my characters freeze for 30 secs to a minute. Bah! If I had known CCP had the same level of concern for proper patching that Ubisoft did patching Silent Hunter IV, I wouldnt have paid for a year for my characters! And I'm pretty damn sure I wont get my money back. Thank you CCP, you just killed my interest in this game, I sure as hell won't be recommending EVE to any of my friends anymore.....Fix this crap, fix it now, or rollback to pre-1.1 PLEASE... Because your "patching of the patches" just isn't working
Rieleph	Posted - 2010.10.03 10:12:00 - [367] My corpmates sometimes show as + instead of * in chat. That's minor thing. Major thing - I've lost 300 coolant and 1340 mechanical parts. Again. Sweet. How can I earn for my ships now?
virtualgenius	Posted - 2010.10.03 10:21:00 - [368] I would like to make a suggestion postpone all new content and fix all the broken stuff, we dont need new content and while your at it roll back PI because its terrible. This continuing to get new content while we suffer with broken game play, broken user interface, etc etc the list is very long, a year of bug fixes would make for some very happy players.
Ltgould Caldari Blazin Shadows	Posted - 2010.10.03 11:09:00 - [369] Originally by: Zebs Clone why when i click on a modual do all my empty mod slots show and the mod not get activated? is this a new FU feature from ccp? I have the same problem as this
Bouba Centaury	Posted - 2010.10.03 12:14:00 - [370] Several bugs : - Overview : I lost often the overview setup - Window mode : 2 bugs : The window does not fit correctly. I lost a part of game window. The icon Fullscreen does not work (res. 1920x1080) - Wreck : Now the wreck window is always in the middle of the screen. I can't keep the position i define for the wreck. - Chat window : If I pin the chat window and logout / login : All the tabs float individually and all are pinned.

Locii	Posted - 2010.10.03 12:34:00 - [371] I have 11 channels inc alliance and corp, my channels move every time i log in still. this is now not **ING FUNNY. i pay you guys over 100 euros every ing month, please fix this **ing pain in the ass
Ramjet Straylight	Posted - 2010.10.03 13:44:00 - [372] Edited by: Ramjet Straylight on 03/10/2010 13:52:36 OK Folks, I only read page 1 of the comments. BUT, there is a theme already I gotta reply too. Rollback, Why not? Simple, I know at least one player who was online that posted in wvw chat thet if the ydid a rollback he would Quit. Why? He had made over 300 Million isk that day with a lucky set of drops from combat. Would you want to roll that back? I think not. And if it happened to one person, it happened to others as well. Sure, the guys he popped would like it, but they should not have been where they would lose such stuff if not prepared to do so. Remember, don't fly what you can't replace. Oh, as for all the comments on FAIL in the patch, It works fine for me and most of my Corp and Alliance mates. No issues at all. Point is, no programmer can predict ALL the possible combinations of hardware out there. Code can do different things on some combo's of hardware, whether you like it or not Simply because most hardware has embedded code that interacts with what you programmed. And lets face it folks, there is a LOT of code involved in EVE. And Tens of thousands of players all over the world running god only knows how many different hardware sets. Like one early commenter said, Think you can do better? get going on your epic game coding. We will be waiting. I suspect we will have a very long wait. Ramjet
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.03 14:08:00 - [373] Edited by: Jane Griffin on 03/10/2010 14:11:17 Originally by: Ramjet Straylight Edited by: Ramjet Straylight on 03/10/2010 13:52:36 OK Folks, I only read page 1 of the comments. BUT, there is a theme already I gotta reply too. Rollback, Why not? Simple, I know at least one player who was online that posted in wvw chat thet if the ydid a rollback he would Quit. Why? He had made over 300 Million isk that day with a lucky set of drops from combat. Would you want to roll that back? I think not. And if it happened to one person, it happened to others as well. Sure, the guys he popped would like it, but they should not have been where they would lose such stuff if not prepared to do so. Remember, don't fly what you can't replace. Oh, as for all the comments on FAIL in the patch, It works fine for me and most of my Corp and Alliance mates. No issues at all. Point is, no programmer can predict ALL the possible combinations of hardware out there. Code can do different things on some combo's of hardware, whether you like it or not Simply because most hardware has embedded code that interacts with what you programmed. And lets face it folks, there is a LOT of code involved in EVE. And Tens of thousands of players all over the world running god only knows how many different hardware sets. Like one early commenter said, Think you can do better? get going on your epic game coding. We will be waiting. I suspect we will have a very long wait. Ramjet Dude, seriously? Rollback would be for the software not for rat droppings or sov changes... As for your review of the current situation, thanks, but if they managed to find the UI code to break it, they can sure find it to fix it again... Even if there was a follback of in-game events, i would glady pay a measly 300million to make the game as playable as it was before 1.1. People all round the world were running different hardware before the patch and the UI was working. Oh and theres a lot of code in eve? lol ok, lets let them off the hook with this horrendous botched patch because after all they made this game by accident and cannot be blamed because they could not have even known that they would be dealing with lots of computer code... Poor CCP.... No post here has more fail than yours...
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.03 14:26:00 - [374] Edited by: Orange Lagomorph on 03/10/2010 14:26:58 Originally by: Ramjet Straylight Simple, I know at least one player who was online that posted in wvw chat thet if the ydid a rollback he would Quit. Why? He had made over 300 Million isk that day with a lucky set of drops from combat. Would you want to roll that back? I think not. 1.) People who will quit EVE if there's a rollback after they get a lucky drop need to HTFU. 2.) I think so. I would give far more than 300m ISK if it meant removing this terrible patch from TQ. 3.) Like the dude said above, it would be a software rollback, not a data rollback. Herp.
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Independent Faction	Posted - 2010.10.03 14:34:00 - [375] I don't think I got patched or had the option. Where can I manually download this bad boy?
Mkiaki Gallente Progressive Business Solutions	Posted - 2010.10.03 14:44:00 - [376] Running fine here. No problems to report.
Toovhon	Posted - 2010.10.03 14:59:00 - [377] Originally by: Enkill Eridos A lot of you have been *****ing..you know what? I have had minimal problems with the UI or new patch. I don't pin windows either. I like my windows to pop up randomly so I can put them where I want them. CCP has done a good job with Tyrannis so far. I like the optional patch. I had a little bit of problems that seemed server side, but they were fixed before I could put in a ticket. To all those saying Customer happiness and that these bugs should never happen I have to explain something to you. EVE Online is a pretty unique game, I have yet to see one that is just one server for everyone. Then you have clients for people who speak languages other than English. So CCP basically has to keep customers from ALL OVER THE WORLD happy. And as long as the majority is happy, that's all that matters. For those having problems with connecting or hangups with EVE. I have a suggestion. Download CCleaner and Defraggler they are free. If you don't know were to get it I will help you out a little. Go to http://www.google.com and search those names. If you play a lot of games you should be using a similar two programs. I like these two because they don't stay on all the time. Run CCleaner once a week and Defraggler bi-monthly. But for right now run those two as soon as you install them. After CCleaner cleans out the Windows Cache Folders Then run Defraggler to defrag the computer. (You can use the one that comes with windows, but I am not happy with the defrag program that comes with windows.) See if that works. Remember if you all of a sudden have problems after a patch try doing some cleanup on your computer (You should do this at least once a week anyway.) Then see if that fixes it. If it does not submit a ticket, CCP devs will fix it as soon as they can. I really wanted to report your post, but sadly there was no section for 'gross technical ignorance'. Hey, maybe you should reinstall Windows every month too? And do a little voodoo dance around your PC? -- Frog blast the vent core!
Smilingmonk	Posted - 2010.10.03 15:11:00 - [378] You guys are lucky. At least you can log in after doing the update and patch. I have two accounts that can't even log in now. They get stuck at 5/46 when loading bulk updates. I've unloaded and reinstalled, repaired, used the "Optional Patch", uninstalled yet again, cleared caches, checked drivers, installed again, yada yada yada. Nothing has worked to get Eve to play on my vista or Windows 7 machine now. Any suggestions that I might try to even get logged on? BTW, I agree completely with threads in this forum calling for a rollback and serious time and effort spent fixing the existing problems before anything new is added. In addition, perhaps more resources should be continually devoted to this program than new ones such as Dust that they have the hots for and will not work well to begin with if this program isn't running correctly.
vekol	Posted - 2010.10.03 15:25:00 - [379] Originally by: Jane Griffin Even if there was a follback of in-game events, i would glady pay a measly 300million to make the game as playable as it was before 1.1. I think they like the idea of PLEX for downgrade so maybe this will be introduced when Remap for PLEX goes live.
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.03 16:48:00 - [380] Originally by: vekol Originally by: Jane Griffin Even if there was a follback of in-game events, i would glady pay a measly 300million to make the game as playable as it was before 1.1. I think they like the idea of PLEX for downgrade so maybe this will be introduced when Remap for PLEX goes live. lol, i can see it now.

Ralitsa	Posted - 2010.10.03 18:08:00 - [381] This patch is failing hard. Whenever I open windows like cargo holds, ships or items windows, they still don't open at the location where I last closed them. I believe one of the purposes of this patch was to fix that and get it back to were it was before Tyrannis 1.1 but that didn't happen.
Tobin Shalim Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge	Posted - 2010.10.03 18:20:00 - [382] This patch is the same clusterfck as the 1.1 patch. First of all, your coders suck SO hard that you have to release a patch to fix what they *ed up in the first place. AND THAT PATCH DOESN'T EVEN FIX WHAT THEY BROKE THE FIRST TIME AROUND. Windows STILL don't remember where they were pre-1.1. Opening wreck windows results in a mass of windows around the screen, instead of stacking into one area like I had them set to before. Your "fix" obviously doesn't work, so at this point would a rollback really be that much of an issue considering this thread is (currently) 13 pages of people telling you IT DOESN'T WORK. ----- Originally by:** Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
Maris Skywalker	Posted - 2010.10.03 18:44:00 - [383] So, I go install this patch, as "recommended", and now, i got to reload a module, and it will not reload....in fact, it puts the module offline! Thank god I align, is all I got to say.......
SiirLong	Posted - 2010.10.03 18:50:00 - [384] Edited by: SiirLong on 03/10/2010 18:54:04 It's even glitchier than before the patch...frequently you see double overview itmes, or when in another system you still see systems/stations from a few jumps back... I've found that clicking on the overview settings tab in the upper left corner and loading a overview profile even if the same one fixes this...but we shouldn't have to do that... Really not a big deal but in pvp situations it could be bad.... Hurry up and give us that new salvage ship you've been promising... perhaps in our fit of joy we'll forget the problems that plague us
ModeratedToSilence	Posted - 2010.10.03 18:57:00 - [385] Broken game
THE SOP	Posted - 2010.10.03 19:03:00 - [386] LP store seems to be totally broke now
Evanna Espanes	Posted - 2010.10.03 19:12:00 - [387] Opening wallet closes local. I think we are not supposed to use the wallet while in space.
ModeratedToSilence	Posted - 2010.10.03 19:51:00 - [388] The servers are going to go offline in the next week with a notice stating they will be back online shortly. They will not be onlined again. Ever.
Vortex Steel	Posted - 2010.10.03 20:24:00 - [389] Edited by: Vortex Steel on 03/10/2010 20:29:35 Yeah sorry but i gotta jump on the bandwagon here, this patch really messed up my EVE, seemed just fine after the previous patch but this 'optional' as its called totally messed things up. I have read a few posts reguarding window location memory. THIS IS REALLY messed up, everytime i log back in everything resets to crazy places all over, and it will NOT remember tabbed window settings, so literally anything i keep tabbed together, especially chat, splits up and randomly gets sent wherever. This is also true for my Fleet window, and all of my Storage containers, especially the ship cargo window. Again, EVE plain outright refuses to remember window location now, it picks a default and forces it on me every login. I say bite the bullet and give your supporting clientele a free month of EVE just for having to suffer this one.
Risingeagle Gallente Moonscape Ent.	Posted - 2010.10.03 20:28:00 - [390] What do you do if you actually lose completely fit ships due to a patch? Rising Eagle

Bibosikus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.10.03 20:39:00 - [391] Originally by: SiirLong Edited by: SiirLong on 03/10/2010 18:54:04 It's even glitchier than before the patch...frequently you see double overview itmes, or when in another system you still see systems/stations from a few jumps back... I've found that clicking on the overview settings tab in the upper left corner and loading a overview profile even if the same one fixes this...but we shouldn't have to do that... Really not a big deal but in pvp situations it could be bad.... Hurry up and give us that new salvage ship you've been promising... perhaps in our fit of joy we'll forget the problems that plague us I get this problem too "To pod one's alt while drinking port, is considered rather slapdash dear boy.."
Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.03 22:16:00 - [392] Can't export anything to customs post patch. My PI is henceforth completely broken. Is there any fix for this? Sure I am not alone ..
Pho Lei	Posted - 2010.10.03 23:21:00 - [393] OK...so where the ** is this patch? Eve tells me t "click here" for the patch and all I got was this waste of time piece of ** forum.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2010.10.04 01:33:00 - [394] Originally by: Pho Lei OK...so where the ** is this patch? Eve tells me t "click here" for the patch and all I got was this waste of time piece of ** forum. Press esc in game-general settings-update What it does..I dont know.
Photus Caldari Roll For Initiative	Posted - 2010.10.04 02:21:00 - [395] I'm not normally the type to jump on the "whine-wagon", but there's a legitimate issue this time (as opposed to the normal "you did what to my falcon" whine threads that happen). Launching the client is fine, character selection is fine. Loading station environment seems to "stutter"; screen is black, then the station is there, screen goes black again, and my ship appears, screen goes black, and my chat windows appear, screen goes black and station services appear, screen goes black, and any open windows I had (pinned or not) appear, screen goes black . . . you get the idea. Thank Krom that I'm in a station and not loading into a SS in some hostile system! As annoying as that is, it's better than the real game-killer I've been having; CCP-EVE.exe has crashed unexpectedly. I open the market, and it crashes to desktop. I open my wallet, and I crash to desktop. I've basically been reduced to either watching the fascinating "Watch Eve load things" slideshow, or not playing at all. It just goes to show you that you shouldn't kneel down in front of the third rail, grab it with both hands, and **** on it from three feet away.
tardyone	Posted - 2010.10.04 03:56:00 - [396] which has now throwen up another issue. CANS!?
yourdoingitwrong	Posted - 2010.10.04 04:29:00 - [397] Eve is perfect. There is no lag there is no bad patch nothing needs to change ever. This level of gaming is totally acceptable. ******ed fanboi out o/
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.10.04 04:39:00 - [398] I installed the optional patch and it did not fix the bug that the original 1.0 patch introduced, where everytime I log in, my chat windows are all broken apart (instead of stacked). Its a bit of pain having to redo those. Otherwise, haven't noticed anything. Oh - the Optional Patch fixed the audio klaxon that went off when I opened my scanner (that was introduced by the 1.0 patch).
Knalldari Testpilot	Posted - 2010.10.04 05:35:00 - [399] Originally by: Jejju Optional means that it hasn't been through the rigourous QA that 'official' patches get. Enjoy. Thats it! None of the bugs i have now (which were introduced with Tyrannis 1.1) are fixed with this "optional" update. And nearly none of the bugs that made it on Tranquility were fixed in the past. Shame on CCP! Shame on on the devs, shame on the QA-team, shame on YOU! Originally by: CCP Fallot Impossible is Our Middle Name For sure, Impossible to fix the bugs for months? Ipossible to introduce new features that are working as intended. Subscribe today to "EVE Dominion - the Browser Game"
Marius Maximus Gallente 4 wing Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2010.10.04 08:16:00 - [400] Sadly this patch did nothing for the issues i am encountering, My chat boxes jumping around is getting quite annoying now. `MM

Blasphemour	Posted - 2010.10.04 08:39:00 - [401] OK This is VERY funny tbh... Everyone is whining that the patch is crap and stuff is messed up, and I am rejoicing the patch! I am a Mac user and for the first time in MONTHS I get FPS above 25. Even when running 2 clients I can actually play the game without shouting at it because it crashes or freezes up. For months PC users told me 'Don't use a Mac'. Now it's time for revenge?
James Vanderbark Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.04 08:41:00 - [402] eve mail has a problem when u resize the part that splits the mail from the topic when ur on the eve mail tab if u resize that part u wont be able to view some fittings that had been sent to you through eve mail when ur on the notification tab if u resize that part it just gets worse.
inza onoa Cruentus Invicta	Posted - 2010.10.04 10:49:00 - [403] Edited by: inza onoa on 04/10/2010 10:50:46 Applied the patch. Still having numerous window issues. Like windows popping up at places where I dont want them to pop up. Especially cargo container and corp hanger windows. At people and places, when you try to select all bookmarks, the folders are selected too now, this shouldn't be. When you try to put bookmarks into your people and places, you can't place them into the folder of your choice directly anymore. You'd have to place them in the root first, then you can move them into your folder of choice, this is quite annoying. The align to bookmark feature is kinda neat, thanks for that CCP! Edit: oh, onlining/offling pos modules (gas reactor modules for example) still says "PUT" instead of "Put Online" "Put Offline".
My Postman	Posted - 2010.10.04 11:07:00 - [404] Dear CCP! I can live without a "drop" sound (when drang and drop). But those windows jumping around (usually top left corner) is extremley annoying. Please fix your fix. Thank you!
Manipulator General o.0	Posted - 2010.10.04 11:17:00 - [405] Originally by: Demitrios Edited by: Demitrios on 01/10/2010 19:00:31 Originally by: Corozan Aspinall Why is this patch 'optional'? Just in case you love ** poor code on a game you pay money for to test for ccp or, if you're not getting any issues, no need to install it. Both options aren't mutually exclusive. It's a win/win situation. Install, get -poor code. Don't install, get **-poor code. Have you lot considered doing something right?
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.10.04 11:42:00 - [406] Originally by: Blasphemour OK This is VERY funny tbh... Everyone is whining that the patch is crap and stuff is messed up, and I am rejoicing the patch! I am a Mac user and for the first time in MONTHS I get FPS above 25. Even when running 2 clients I can actually play the game without shouting at it because it crashes or freezes up. For months PC users told me 'Don't use a Mac'. Now it's time for revenge? Thanks for stopping in and showing us you aren't any better than the PC users you encountered, I'm glad you aren't having problems. --Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.--
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.10.04 11:46:00 - [407] Hey, ya know.. if besides all those bugs the server starts to die several times a day we're back to 2005 when I started. Thanks for bringing back memories CCP. Love you bigtime And yeah, you should consider putting some more Dev time into that corified UI of yours.. it's not working yet
Ltd SpacePig FISKL GUARDS Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.04 11:56:00 - [408] I lost a vagabond because of this fail patch this morning. When i dropped my drones the overview window moved out of screen and i couldt see what was on my overview anymore. I installed the patch that was supose to be fixing this bug but i still got all the problems with my windows anyway.. when i undock from station my overview again moves out of screen and i cant move it. Sometimes i need to change screen res before i can move the window back and then i have to change the screen res back to the old res. All of these problems was reported on Sisi before and why are you deploying a patch that does not have this fixed??? CCP.. you own me a vaga! Give it to me! "Carebear gone bad"
Ivanna Nuke Gallente Wujen Corp	Posted - 2010.10.04 12:43:00 - [409] For myself all is well. The spinach does not comply to a pie but the onions do indeed add a certain something to a bloom of Elvis pogosticks.
Toovhon	Posted - 2010.10.04 13:56:00 - [410] Originally by: Blasphemour OK This is VERY funny tbh... Everyone is whining that the patch is crap and stuff is messed up, and I am rejoicing the patch! I am a Mac user and for the first time in MONTHS I get FPS above 25. Even when running 2 clients I can actually play the game without shouting at it because it crashes or freezes up. For months PC users told me 'Don't use a Mac'. Now it's time for revenge? Well Eve's windows are buggered in both OSX 10.5.8 and WinXP Pro here on this Mac. -- Frog blast the vent core!

Austneal	Posted - 2010.10.04 14:00:00 - [411] Wow, what a bunch of whiners
T'ealk O'Neil	Posted - 2010.10.04 14:18:00 - [412] My windows generally stay where they are meant to, but they no longer seem to remember that they were grouped, so each time I am having to regroup them, which is getting rather annoying now.
Vertigo Ren	Posted - 2010.10.04 16:13:00 - [413] I'll submit another bug report, but this is the third time where the installer has failed, and then the repair tool fails, resulting in me having to download the entire client... again. I don't like this. And saying no to the optional patch said, incompatible client version when I tried to log on. :(
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2010.10.04 16:21:00 - [414] Not sure if this was reported yet or not, but I clicked on the 'manage' button on a POS to see how much fuel it needed while I was aligning for warp. Once I went into warp I did like I always do and tried to close the window while in warp once I knew what it needed. It said I needed to be within 2500m to close the window.....
Barakkus Syndicate Asset Management	Posted - 2010.10.04 16:31:00 - [415] Originally by: T'ealk O'Neil My windows generally stay where they are meant to, but they no longer seem to remember that they were grouped, so each time I am having to regroup them, which is getting rather annoying now. Don't pin your windows and they behave normally between logins for the most part. You will still have a few chat windows that ungroup here and there, but most of the time they will be as you left them as long as you don't pin them. Most of the window problems in general seem to be stemming from pinning them. Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Woodman57	Posted - 2010.10.04 17:45:00 - [416] Is there a fix coming for the issues from the last patch? I asked this in the forum to report issues also. For me the game is unplayable and I would like to know if CCP is working on another fix or if we're just going to have to wait until the next release in November.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.04 18:19:00 - [417] how did this pile of steaming hot bullyblob get past QA ?
Roderak Pleem Minmatar Abandoned Land	Posted - 2010.10.04 18:19:00 - [418] No problems after the patch on thursday, no problems with the optional patch on saturday. No weird window problems. No weird window stacking problems. Working great here CCP! Regards, Rod
Woodman57	Posted - 2010.10.04 18:43:00 - [419] Originally by: Roderak Pleem No problems after the patch on thursday, no problems with the optional patch on saturday. No weird window problems. No weird window stacking problems. Working great here CCP! Well thank god, I know I'll sleep better tonight knowing you aren't having problems.
trogun	Posted - 2010.10.04 19:12:00 - [420] ..

Master Sir	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:36:00 - [421] Originally by: Roderak Pleem No problems after the patch on thursday, no problems with the optional patch on saturday. No weird window problems. No weird window stacking problems. Working great here CCP! Maybe you could post your OS version, services packs, .NET version and graphics card type? The rest of us are getting ****D.
tyler6631 Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:47:00 - [422] the patch installer isn't even working for me. it says something about already being compatible...
Toovhon	Posted - 2010.10.04 23:47:00 - [423] Originally by: Roderak Pleem No problems after the patch on thursday, no problems with the optional patch on saturday. No weird window problems. No weird window stacking problems. Working great here CCP! Why don't I quite believe he never changed the default position cans open, or ever pinned tabbed windows? -- Frog blast the vent core!
Lazzarus Lonng	Posted - 2010.10.05 01:11:00 - [424] can i get a link to the "patch"patch...i dont believe i downloaded it correctly..and now cannot find it
foxylady13 Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2010.10.05 04:27:00 - [425] Originally by: Woodman57 Is there a fix coming for the issues from the last patch? I asked this in the forum to report issues also. For me the game is unplayable and I would like to know if CCP is working on another fix or if we're just going to have to wait until the next release in November. Ya this sucks and no word from ccp,i guess the 15 pages of people having problems is ccps way of saying yall are on your own i guess.The logs show nothing.....................
Purgo	Posted - 2010.10.05 06:32:00 - [426] Its funny how this is mostly 10 pages of complaining. What isn't shown here is the other 99% of people not experiencing any problems what-so-ever. Its responses like this that scare me that ccp is going to buckle under the pressure of idiots and start changing **** they shouldn't.
App Olonur Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.10.05 06:58:00 - [427] Edited by: App Olonur on 05/10/2010 07:02:07 Quote: 99% of people not experiencing any problems what-so-ever Or they just do not bother to post. Like I never bother to post. But I have windows jumping around too... This is not about changing game features to accommodate a few players in a remote corner of New Eden, this is about fixing obvious bugs. /app
CERRIS NIGHTSPECTRE	Posted - 2010.10.05 07:22:00 - [428] Quote: With thousands of different hardware combination its bound to have something wrong with it for someone. Imagine that Strange that I run two characters and only one is affected. Even after downloading the optional patch my main is still plagued by chat windows that continue to move no matter how many times I repin them to the spot I want them. Also windows that do not stay the same size that i set them to.
My Postman	Posted - 2010.10.05 11:49:00 - [429] I don¦t know if mentioned in the last 15 pages, but the wiki is flawed as well, when you look at a skill it¦s saying "primary attribute: 166 secondary attribute: 167" Did you mess the database as well? Fake edit: Forget it, fix the game.
Thubia	Posted - 2010.10.05 11:53:00 - [430] ctrl + click spam to target in overview is bugged, it don't work anymore

Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:59:00 - [431] While you fixed the Put / Change buttons for POS management, the process screen still lists "Simple" and "Moon" as pieces of equipment. http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8674/poss.png ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real!
Khathryn	Posted - 2010.10.05 17:26:00 - [432] Can someone from CCP clarify what version number we'll be at after installing both optional patches? I'm running on Mac (10.6.4+ current patches). I had the first optional patch installed. According to someone else in the thread that took the version to 6.31.185699. When I started up today I chose to install the patch, it downloaded fine but when it went to install it threw an error stating it could not be installed. I had to Force Quit the client as it hung at that point. When I restarted I was still at 6.31.185699 but was not presented the option to install update #2 again. I went into General Settings, no new second patch option was presented, so I thought maybe I had to uninstall optional patch #1 first. Uninstalled it, restarted the client, was presented with the option to install the new optional patch. It downloaded again, this time successfully installed and restarted my client correctly. But my version is still 6.31.185699. So am I at patch #1, patch #2, some bizarre hybrid, or did patch #1 and #2 share the same version number? Please clarify what our expectations should be with this patch
Steijn Minmatar Quay Industries	Posted - 2010.10.05 17:44:00 - [433] I never d/l optional patch #1, but have d/l optional patch #2 today. Im now getting random dc's.
Ky Vatta Majority 12	Posted - 2010.10.05 18:09:00 - [434] Some of the supposed fixes aren`t fixed at all Info and wreck windows still pop up in middle of screen (if you pin them, next one you open is pinned all right: in centre of the screen) Btw, this is AFTER this 2nd patch
Duvaren Amarr The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.05 19:48:00 - [435] Optional patch 2 requester popped up AFTER login was entered. Logging in a second time did not bring it back. Some fixes from patch 1 seem broken again. Manual patch download from the Eve-Online web site doesn't list the new October 5 patch.
Duvaren Amarr The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.05 20:07:00 - [436] Update: Found optional patch button in the general tab, have to be logged into the game to see it. Installed the new optional patch. (Took two tries to get it to install without errors.) Client still shows patch #1 version number.
Teck Nine	Posted - 2010.10.05 20:26:00 - [437] Server keeps on d/c and what not
Master Sir	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:43:00 - [438] New Optional Patch seems to have fixed anything I noticed broken, Thank you very much CCP
1920s Flapper	Posted - 2010.10.07 20:20:00 - [439] Hey CCP maybe you want to tell us that not installing the optional 3rd patch WILL DELETE the second patch leaving me with the broken mess that is 1.1 with seeming no way to reinstall the optional patches.


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