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eliaja	Posted - 2010.10.11 18:26:00 - [61] Originally by: Marshiro Originally by: Roismatola Edited by: Roismatola on 11/10/2010 18:21:27 In the long run this is crashing the market even more and destroying the plex viabillity for everyone in the game... At this rate people will have to spend the whole month mining just to pay the plex. ITS CCP CONSPIRACY TO RAISE PLEX PRICES? there may be more truth to that than we all may realize. tbh thats exactly what i would do if this were my company.
Roismatola	Posted - 2010.10.11 18:33:00 - [62] actually there ain't many thing more profiable than mining, especially for those who don't hve a few years of game on it. Although one would expect prices to lower if people didn't bought it, those guys buying all the plex bellow 400M and selling higher will not allow it to happen. As it is, it's a giant sinkhole already and I doubt they will stop doing it. It would be much more viable if people simply stopped buying at all unless the price was 300M or bellow. Of course, the chances of making it happen are just staggering.
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.11 18:57:00 - [63] Mmm people still fighting with the new price, but losing. Jita hit >389mil few times already, and there is less than ~50 plexes on sell orders below that price, not to mention less populated regions are already at 400.
Gabriel Virtus hirr	Posted - 2010.10.12 03:43:00 - [64] Thanks bro!
Xylopia Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.10.12 04:38:00 - [65] Originally by: Jita Bloodtear Someone is trying to do so right now. He seems to want them listed at around 500mil. If you want to make a quick buck, list the PLEX you bought this morning at 365 for like 450mil, if he wants to maintain control of the market he has to buy them out. /Don't like people messing with the PLEX market It's already old news. The minute Torfi announced plex for remap after Incursion, all existing Plex were bound to shoot up. You don't catch that? too bad. Move along.
Ovella	Posted - 2010.10.12 06:44:00 - [66] Originally by: Roismatola actually there ain't many thing more profiable than mining oh noes, I did it all wrong! I should sell my golem and buy myself a hulk ASAP! Originally by: Roismatola especially for those who don't hve a few years of game on it. Ninja-salvaging? Get yourself an AE & you have 10M... finding one in an hour or two is quite easy (not to mention you'll get other missions while you at it). How much people get for trit (or whatever highsec stuff they mining) nowadays? 5M/h? 10? Originally by: Xylopia The minute Torfi announced plex for remap after Incursion, all existing Plex were bound to shoot up. Plus it's quite usual thing for someone to manipulate PLEXes up before "expansion" (or whatever it's called). Tho this effort continues for more than half a year already. What I'm intrested in: is it really profitable thing to do or is it's just for lulz?
Xylopia Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.10.12 07:34:00 - [67] Edited by: Xylopia on 12/10/2010 07:37:32 Originally by: Ovella Originally by: Xylopia The minute Torfi announced plex for remap after Incursion, all existing Plex were bound to shoot up. Plus it's quite usual thing for someone to manipulate PLEXes up before "expansion" (or whatever it's called). Tho this effort continues for more than half a year already. What I'm intrested in: is it really profitable thing to do or is it's just for lulz? This wasn't the first time Plex gets some love. It was Q1 '09 (if my dumb gray brain cells serves me correct) when CCP announced they would accept plex for fanfest ticket. In addition to that, kids from summer vacation weighted in. Few ppl quickly took the opportunity and massaged Plex a bit. The end? price hovered well over 400m, and every Joe and Marry were screaming. Seeing that, I don't think that Plex has reached its peak yet. Like other manipulation attempts at many different times, I think this one will go well 'cuz there are ppl who want to remap their attribute more than once in a year. Especially at the moment remap is enabled with Plex first time, the demand will be there and strong. If you ask me, I'd say well over 400m and close to 450m after patch. (Yup, I just pull some number from my candy ass.) So, in terms of jingle jingle, yeah, I think there are some to make. Back to '09. After that incident, funny repercussion was few nice folks stocked up Plex at around 300m thinking "Plex is gold!, teh invincible! hehehe!", and price eventually subdued down to less than 300m for a good while. You know the rest.
Berikath	Posted - 2010.10.12 13:05:00 - [68] Originally by: Roismatola Edited by: Roismatola on 11/10/2010 18:21:27 All of this may be very true, the guy isn't getting his money worth for the plex, but in the long run things couldn't be worst. The mineral price just keeps lowering and the plex which was around 300M is now impossible to get under 370M. In the long run this is crashing the market even more and destroying the plex viabillity for everyone in the game... At this rate people will have to spend the whole month mining just to pay the plex. Originally by: Roismatola actually there ain't many thing more profiable than mining, especially for those who don't hve a few years of game on it. Although one would expect prices to lower if people didn't bought it, those guys buying all the plex bellow 400M and selling higher will not allow it to happen. As it is, it's a giant sinkhole already and I doubt they will stop doing it. It would be much more viable if people simply stopped buying at all unless the price was 300M or bellow. Of course, the chances of making it happen are just staggering. 1. There are lots of things in-game more profitable than mining. LOTS. Mining is crap for income, but scales very easily and can be done while watching TV (or by bots). 2. Let's talk about PI. First, let's assume someone can maintain a ratio of 2 extractors per BIF- certainly very doable. Now, let's look at one character with level 4 skills; in order to pay for a 400 million ISK PLEX per month, they will need to sell their product at 427 ISK per unit; there are several products which have been at or above that level consistently. That's fairly low-maintenance. Now, how 'bout if they had all 3 characters on their account with level 5 skills? Then they would need to sell their product at about 105 ISK per unit to pay for 1 400m PLEX per month with just PI. Even Biofuels is above that mark. Note that this is JUST from PI. It doesn't include anything else that you could be doing with that account every month. It also doesn't require hours of staring at asteroids in a weakly-tanked 130 million ISK ship. If you want to find candidates for why PLEXes are getting relatively more expensive, this is a good one. *** Wish list for PI: One-click input routing Copy product, inputs & outputs in factories *Launchpad upgrades: twice the space, twice the cost, half the hassle!
Lors Dornick Caldari Untied Dysleckticks	Posted - 2010.10.13 01:40:00 - [69] It's actually quite fun that despite all the combined brainwaves in this thread you've failed to note the obvious. The dude behind this is doing it because he's having fun in a game flying spaceships. Anyone who takes this thread serious has to step back and ponder what the hell they are doing. // Lors
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.10.13 04:45:00 - [70] Originally by: Lors Dornick Anyone who takes this thread serious has to step back and ponder what the hell they are doing. But intrenet spaecships--is srs bsnz!!!!!!!!
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.13 10:27:00 - [71] woohoo my 420mil plex orders started firing today :D
Inbrainsane	Posted - 2010.10.13 12:55:00 - [72] I just checked several RMT sites and compared their prices for isk with the current price of isk you get via PLEX trade. Result: With the recent spike in PLEX prices, several RMT offers are no longer competitive. At Battleclinic you pay 35$ for 2 PLEX. At current jita price this is ISK21.7M/$1. RMT offer from ISK20M/$1 (which is LESS than that what you get the legal way) to ISK30M/$1 (only certain sites and only for large quantities). Conclusion: RMT should be out of business for small quantites of ISK. In large quantities you still get up to 50% more ISK for each $ but large quantites are more likely to get detected and the banhammer is something you do not want to risk. Market impact: The more people realise that RMT is unattractive compared to PLEX the more PLEX will be generated. So it is unlikely that the PLEX price will continue to rise from its current value unless RMTs make better offers. Boys, do not buy from RMT. Use PLEX instead. You will get almost as much ISK/$ (or even more) if you use PLEX.
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.13 13:50:00 - [73] Interesting, that would suggest only RTMers want the price to stay low. Normal traders would love rising prices (you automagically gain between the time your low buy orders get filled and the time you relist), normal players wouldnt have the isk/energy to do anything beyond whining. If you look at Jita there were few people actively fighting price spike by listing roadblocks (10-20 PLEX sell orders 3-5mill below cheapest price, going as low as 100K above buy price so in effect cheaper than buy when you count taxes).
Lecherito	Posted - 2010.10.13 14:02:00 - [74] Eventually it will reach a point where people start dropping superfluous accounts simply because they can't justify the monthly plex cost. That's when plex market goes bust. -L
Oratassi	Posted - 2010.10.13 15:41:00 - [75] Isn't other goods' price going to rise as well. Most posts stated from a buyer point of view on plex, there are ppl that pay real $$ for isk. IMO, plex is becoming a hard currency in eve.(like gold in real world.) If there is no control policies like CPI (consumer price index) or global agreement, the price will just keep rising to no end. The only way to count this without regulating would be increase consumer goods' price, Means everything cost more to justify plex price. A sudden inflation will ruin the days of many, as mission grinding etc with game fixing income value... Well u know the story's ending. Those guys are the would-be cause of world economic crush in eve.. Damn, just like in the real world in recent history. This game is so real! So much for eve free market, I wonder what would mission runners do by then. For this reason, I think CCP will interfere. Carebears are in large population. This can not turn into long term situation. The fun period would be the time before CCP act. **the above is only true if the players are really having that much purchases of plex from real money pays, to exchange for in game isk. Since i don't know how large a proportion of players buying plex with real money, I can tell. The above saying is very possible. And lastly, if there is a sharp trend of changing of anything, that means profit for brave souls, or total bank corrupt. =) Sori for crappy English if 's any.
Oratassi Caldari Oratage Star Grid	Posted - 2010.10.13 15:46:00 - [76] I hate iPhone auto-fix. Anyway I guess the post could be readable.
Bairre Craven	Posted - 2010.10.13 21:51:00 - [77] The situation is getting worse and worse. Propobly this will end only when the whole eve economy collapse.
ReptilesBlade	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:15:00 - [78] Originally by: Xylopia Originally by: Jita Bloodtear /Don't like people messing with the PLEX market It's already old news. The minute Torfi announced plex for remap after Incursion, all existing Plex were bound to shoot up.You don't catch that? too bad. Move along. Where did Torfi announce the PLEX remap after Incursion?
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:46:00 - [79] Originally by: Bairre Craven The situation is getting worse and worse. Propobly this will end only when the whole eve economy collapse. What do you mean worse? Who else apart from brokeass mission runners wants PLEX to be cheap?
Raid'En	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:55:00 - [80] Originally by: Rasz Lin What do you mean worse? Who else apart from brokeass mission runners wants PLEX to be cheap? everyone who is interested by using them ? ---------------- Wormhole Trading
Xylopia Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.10.14 00:53:00 - [81] Originally by: ReptilesBlade Where did Torfi announce the PLEX remap after Incursion deployed? http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-06-eve-ccp-gives-a-damn-interview?page=3 Quote: Eurogamer: Business models in MMOs are changing. Are there any plans to use micro-transactions in EVE to allow people to re-map their skills? Torfi Frans Olafsson: Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game. That said, we are introducing a feature this expansion [Incursion], that does allow you to re-map your attributes using Pilot Licence Extensions, which are bought both in-game and on our website. PLEX represents 30-days subscription within the game. We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style. Old news, my friend.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.10.14 02:59:00 - [82] Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 14/10/2010 03:00:58 UPDATE ON PLEXS IN JITA There are now 40 units of PLEXs being sold for 380mill flat. All the other sell orders are for 392ish. Sounds like our mystery man has made his next move. Edit: Now like it matters much, but now 39.
Xylopia Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.10.14 03:11:00 - [83] Originally by: Xylopia If you ask me, I'd say well over 400m and close to 450m after patch. (Yup, I just pull some number from my candy ass.) So, in terms of jingle jingle, yeah, I think there are some to make. We'll see.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.10.14 03:13:00 - [84] There are now 23 units left in that stack with 10 running up behind them
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.14 06:48:00 - [85] WTB 6 plex 320m a piece, anyone? :( ------
Dana Gilmour	Posted - 2010.10.14 09:01:00 - [86] Edited by: Dana Gilmour on 14/10/2010 09:02:10 The price of PLEX was a bit low indeed, but I don't think it'll go through the roof anytime soon. If it gets to the point people start canceling accounts over it, I don't see CCP standing idle on this.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.10.14 09:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Zelot Blueice Edit 3: By the way, the person who bought those plexs spent roughly 14,480M ISK. Just a bit below and they will be making roughly 17.5M per unit. Thats a petty 700mill profit. For 14.5 spent and make only 700M, thats weak. You're assuming that his move was solely aimed at flipping the stuff he bought. Given a willingness to put this much effort into the plex market it is probably a fairly safe bet that he had large pre-existing stockpiles, which is where the real value increase will manifest.
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.14 09:10:00 - [88] Originally by: Dana Gilmour Edited by: Dana Gilmour on 14/10/2010 09:02:10 If it gets to the point people start canceling accounts over it, I don't see CCP standing idle on this. If people cancel accounts or rather pay their accounts with IRL money as plex price gets higher and requires more effort to get, there will be a larger supply then demand, thus plex price will fix itself in time. However, if people are perfectly fine paying 400m per plex, then plex prices will balance towards 400m per plex eventually. ------
Roguehalo Caldari Resonance Laboratories	Posted - 2010.10.14 09:27:00 - [89] Originally by: Inbrainsane I just checked several RMT sites and compared their prices for isk with the current price of isk you get via PLEX trade. Result: With the recent spike in PLEX prices, several RMT offers are no longer competitive. At Battleclinic you pay 35$ for 2 PLEX. At current jita price this is ISK21.7M/$1. RMT offer from ISK20M/$1 (which is LESS than that what you get the legal way) to ISK30M/$1 (only certain sites and only for large quantities). Conclusion: RMT should be out of business for small quantites of ISK. In large quantities you still get up to 50% more ISK for each $ but large quantites are more likely to get detected and the banhammer is something you do not want to risk. Market impact: The more people realise that RMT is unattractive compared to PLEX the more PLEX will be generated. So it is unlikely that the PLEX price will continue to rise from its current value unless RMTs make better offers. Boys, do not buy from RMT. Use PLEX instead. You will get almost as much ISK/$ (or even more) if you use PLEX. Hmm plexes ARE rmt It's just that CCP are doing the rmting When this game was 1st released it was a monthly subscription where everybody paid the same to play. That is no longer true and hasn't been for years. The financial basis of this game is now more akin to Entropia Universe. There is so much hypocrisy and double standards that have spewed from CCP over the last few years as to almost defy belief.
Dositheus	Posted - 2010.10.14 20:15:00 - [90] Who knew that I would create this must fuzz... For the record: None of you have managed to figure out why I did it, although some have been reasonably close. And... the speculation as to how much I spent in total, as well as the average cost per PLEX has been completely inaccurate thus far.

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