I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

Lol, at this time I'm the one who's cloaked. I'm staring at my capacitor recharging and thought to myself why can I set here and do this with out penalty.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

How about something easier and kess detrimental to regular cloak users? Add a tachyon probe for probe launchers that lets you scan down cloaked ships. Long scan time and low signature strength so people on the move are fine, but those at rest for long periods are sitting ducks...

/solveproblem
/stopwhine

That reminds, my AFK cloaking alt is almost done training.

Which system needs additional surveillance?

Also, don't forget the usefulness of the False Flag AFK Cloaker. Alliance mates ratting too much? Messing up your chains? Bring the neutral AFK Cloaker alt.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

I like the way you think, it is suitably twisted and devious, have you considered politics?

Thanks you sir... I'll have to give credit to my 3 ex wives and their divorce lawyers.

Renters... renters are the best. They dock up and stop ratting. And when the rent bill is coming up, they can't pay and produce tears.

Lol, at this time I'm the one who's cloaked. I'm staring at my capacitor recharging and thought to myself why can I set here and do this with out penalty.

Also, don't forget the usefulness of the False Flag AFK Cloaker. Alliance mates ratting too much? Messing up your chains? Bring the neutral AFK Cloaker alt.

Came in expecting own current victim of AFK cloaking. Left with nothing but my own hands to satisfy myself ...

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

AFK cloaking IS a problem, and all the people who are here disagreeing are the ones who do it themselves while they're at work.

How about something easier and less detrimental to regular cloak users? Add a tachyon probe for probe launchers that lets you scan down cloaked ships. Long scan time and low signature strength so people on the move are fine, but those at rest for long periods are sitting ducks...

/solveproblem
/stopwhine

No.
No.

But local sure needs fixing.

Pretty obvious you would be very butthurt if CCP change AFK cloaking for the better.

I wouldn't be particularly butthurt if they fixed local, no.

Local? Whats wrong with it?

No.
No.

But local sure needs fixing.

let me tell you how difficult it is to warp a bomber around looking for a target to point and light a cyno on

A lot less difficult than it would be if you had to actually collect the and analyse intel yourself.

"collect and analyze intel" = spamming dscan which won't help given that we have ships that can warp cloaked

and the extent of the "intel gathering" by the guy in the bomber is "open map, view NPC kills/industry level"

GǪand then he has to figure out whether anyone is around right now. Then he has to find them. And then he has to gamble on whether or not they have back-up. So no, that is not the full extent of the intel gathering the bomber pilot has to do unless he has no intention of killing anyone. If he doesn't, there's no need for him to even be in the system to begin with.

yeah because it's not difficult to find out what timezones a given alliance is active in

it's not difficult to warp between anoms (which you don't have to probe down) while cloaked in a bomber

they have backup? oh no, a bomber loss, what will they ever do

nobody in system? go to the other system that has a ton of NPC kills or a high industry level

GǪwhich doesn't tell you who and what's in the system or whether anyone is around right now. You have to actually discover it for yourself rather than have the exact information fed to you for free.

GǪwhich doesn't mean you'll find anything. You have to actually travel around and do some legwork rather than have the information fed to you for free.

As a pubbie, I have to ask: is this fuzz about afk-cloakers just about seeing a non-blue name in local and fearing that every second, this cloaker could come back to the keyboard and stalk you? Honest question.

because local tells you exactly where everyone in a given system is, and you already know where to warp

No. But it gives you instant, constant, and 100% accurate information for free about who's there.

On the one hand, it creates this silly GǣAFK cloakerGǥ fear, and on the other, it gives vital tactical information about the viability of hunting for targets. All of it is bad, largely due to the whole Gǣinstant, constant, freeGǥ partGǪ

on the other hand, nobody will bother actually living in nullsec except to join fleets because having to spam dscan for utterly useless information is tedious and not worth the 10% extra income you'd get over simply farming l4s in hisec where all risk of nonconsensual PvP is being gradually reduced to nothing

Nonsense, There are plenty of players in Wormholes doing just that.

I am with Tippia. Remove local. Then nerf Tech so that Goons have to earn their ships just like the rest of us.

on the other hand, nobody will bother actually living in nullsec except to join fleets because having to spam dscan for utterly useless information is tedious and not worth the 10% extra income you'd get over simply farming l4s in hisec where all risk of nonconsensual PvP is being gradually reduced to nothing

I am with Tippia. Remove local.

Sure they would. They would just have to learn to make use of whatever intel gathering tools were implemented to cover (roughly) the same thing.

Life in w-space is entirely possible even without such tools; add them in for k-space and it should be very liveable.


Anyway, the simple fact of the matter remains: AFK cloaking is created and perpetuated by local. As long as local remains as an intel tool, AFK cloaking must remain as the only counter to that mechanic GÇö it is currently the only way to disrupt and subvert the free intel that local provides. If AFK cloaking was removed, something else GÇö probably something much worse GÇö would have to be implemented to do the same thing, and which would cause the same whines.

"local should be removed to eliminate AFK cloaking"

"AFK cloaking is a problem"

two of these statements are entirely wrong, guess which

read my edit?

also any replacement for local would either be "overpowered" and not change the status quo or tip the balance entirely towards a single bomber with a point and a cyno

Why are those the only options? Also, how would it be able to tip the balance in favour of the bomber any more than it already is?

because if it's a glorified dscan that shows cloaked ships, you'll just have the status quo with the addition of some dudes quitting due to CTS

if it doesn't show cloaked ships, everyone will use bombers to warp between 100% signatures until they find something, aided by the fact that the map gives enough ~free intel~ to help you

GǪwhich is still less one-sided than it already is

How the hell is that not totally one-sided?

In the current design, local simply does not favor you if you are AFK, like you are implying.

Because it's no different than what's already available in terms of how the cloaker can find his targets, but it is vastly different in how well the cloaker know what's around him and what's waiting for him. Target acquisition is no easier (and, sure, no harder either), but uncertainty about the combat zone is way up. End result: less one-sided than right now now, since he currently finds his targets just as easily and has better situational awareness to boot.

So it doesn't favour you at all, you mean, because I'm certainly not implying that it does. What I'm flat-ou saying (rather than just implying), though, is that AFK cloaking disfavours the inhabitants of a system by disrupting and subverting their intel tool and acts as a mild form of psychological warfare. This is a good thing, because it is the only kind of counter there is to local at the moment.

There are plenty of ways to counter people warping off to a station/POS (even a safespot if you're so inclined) when a hostile enters local. It just takes more effort than what most daytrippers are willing to put forth.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

YesGǪ? AndGǪ? Again I have to ask what this is in response to?

Are you offering this as a counter to GÇ£there is no other counter to localGÇ¥? If so, you missed the point. No, it's not GÇö local is still there and still provides 100% accurate intel. What AFK cloaking does is make that intel less valuable because it feeds noise into the system. That's why it needs to exist for as long as local exists (in its current incarnation).

It's only sweet irony that the same bad mechanic that provides this over-abundance of information is also the source of the one tactic that mitigates the value of that information.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

Yes, so how is local broken if the tools to make it less reliable exist?

I don't believe AFK cloaking is a problem at all, hell, it's a necessary tactic.

Because it should come pre-broken. Or, rather, it shouldn't be an intel tool to begin with. Instead, the intel collection should be some completely different tool with inherent flaws that mean you have to combine it with other sources. It shouldn't be a tool that, by default, is perfect, and which needs to be actively degraded GÇö it should be a tool that, by default, is pretty bad, but which can be actively upgraded (or further deteriorated, if you're on the sneaking end) in a struggle for information superiority.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

Local? Whats wrong with it?

AFK Cloaker never harmed anyone.

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I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

we

afk cloakers are a problem.

afk cloakers are a problem for me.

I think that afk cloakers are a problem for me.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

How about removing local instead.

on the other hand, nobody will bother actually living in nullsec except to join fleets because having to spam dscan for utterly useless information is tedious and not worth the 10% extra income you'd get over simply farming l4s in hisec where all risk of nonconsensual PvP is being gradually reduced to nothing

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

AFK Cloaking is great, it's the only mechanic in the game that makes PVE possible in hostile space without spending hours warping from safespot to safespot to save ship. Meaning we still have ninja-explorers / ninja-ratters and wormhole ninjas in the game.

Keep it, just as it is.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

I'm tired of this guy AFK camping my mining/ratting/plexing etc. system so I will rally some hate for cloaking and get it nerfed.

There I fixed it for you.

I think the best fix for this as it would prevent people from being afraid of people who are not even at their computer is

When you cloak you no longer appear on local.
This way cloak actually makes you cloaked and we don't have to listen to people whine about afk cloakers.
Problem solved.

Oh, and regarding the short minded comment before, that users should try different systems. Any major alliance has enough active accounts, to dedicate 8 days to create a cloaky alt. You just take to the desired system, and every time you are not playing, you log on and stay there cloaked ******* up everyone else's game. Really smart and fun thing to do... You should really be in the game industry, since you have so many great ideas on how to make games fun.

Any AFK activity should be fought. AFK mining. AFK ratting, AFK plexing, AFK cloaking.
Need to go AFK? dock, go to a POS, or log off. otherwise you should be ******.

I guess I am a minority to say that there isn't a problem with afk cloakers, just a problem with people being paranoid about what they see in local.

The whole idea of AFK cloaking, is the risk of a hotdrop when they get you. Thats the whole point of it. If you ignore the AFK cloaker, he can and likely will **** you up.


dissapearing from local when you cloak when you are not on the computer ... interesting idea. HEY i think its already in the game, its called logging off.

Its lame how most people here arguew in favor of AFK cloaking, but mostly talk just about cloaking, not AFK.
one thing is to be cloaked while playing, thats cool. another thing is to cloak and go see a movie, do your laundry, etc while you generate a false warning reaction from people on the system.

Oh, and regarding the short minded comment before, that users should try different systems. Any major alliance has enough active accounts, to dedicate 8 days to create a cloaky alt. You just take to the desired system, and every time you are not playing, you log on and stay there cloaked ******* up everyone else's game. Really smart and fun thing to do... You should really be in the game industry, since you have so many great ideas on how to make games fun.

Any AFK activity should be fought. AFK mining. AFK ratting, AFK plexing, AFK cloaking.
Need to go AFK? dock, go to a POS, or log off. otherwise you should be ******.

Then nerf Tech so that Goons have to earn their ships just like the rest of us.

But they do earn their ships. They didn't just press butan one day and spawn ten billion tech moons in their space- they took every single one of those moons by force from somebody else. And while they did, shouting all the time about OH GOD WE'RE TAKING ALL THE TECH WOLOLOL and being very loud about what they were doing, people like you stood back and did absolutely nothing. And like the countless thousands before you, not being able to muster up any support in-game you have brought your bitter fight to these illustrious forums instead. (Read: you have once again decided to do nothing about it)

"I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem"

define "WE".

I don't even understand all the butthurt about afk cloakers. Is it solely because there's someone in local they can't find?
If so, that's pitiful.

I'm tired of this guy AFK camping my mining/ratting/plexing etc. system so I will rally some hate for cloaking and get it nerfed.

There I fixed it for you.

Any AFK activity should be fought. AFK mining. AFK ratting, AFK plexing, AFK cloaking.
Need to go AFK? dock, go to a POS, or log off. otherwise you should be ******.

Another thread about AFK cloakers? Isn't this the billionth thread about this? Deal with it, you risk averse nancy.

[quote=Orzo Torasson]Personally as a nullsec resident I think that AFK cloaking means bugger all. It can be annoying, but it sure keeps you on your toes. Anyway, if you don't have at least one person you can call for help you are doing it very, very wrong.

I don't think removal of local is the solution though, but I think delayed local would be pretty good, or maybe some kind of thing where you disappear from local after not doing anything for a certain period of time, I don't know.

[quote=Chokichi Ozuwara]Then nerf Tech so that Goons have to earn their ships just like the rest of us.

you nullsec guys why do you fear so much the cloakies, you have all the best intel in the world with local. why not get backups or move to next systems if you scared so much about a cloaked ships.now you want even more intel if you find out if the cloaked ships is doing something or not. i think you should make the least isk in nullsec because there is no risk at all.

As a pubbie, I have to ask: is this fuzz about afk-cloakers just about seeing a non-blue name in local and fearing that every second, this cloaker could come back to the keyboard and stalk you? Honest question.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

AFK Coak's is one of the last things in eve that are real bullshit...
Nothing in a game should work AFK, not even pissing of ratters, miners.

You should be able to scann them out, it should take x10 or x20 times longer but should be possible.
At the moment you cant do "nothing" against a cloaker if hes in the system on save.

- Fuel usage
- Cap usage increase per time
- Scan x10 or x20 more time to find them

- Scan x10 or x20 more time to find them
Well done, you have completely broken wormholes.

My question is, why is it that all the solutions from the people demanding nerfs, actually hurt active cloakers as well.
But if you suggest 'Remove cloakers from local' (which will remove the ability for AFK cloakers to scare the nullbears), all the nullbears start screaming about that. I guess they dont want to do any extra work to deffend 'their' system.

AFK cloaking is mostly in nullsec but happens in highsec too. A highsec war: Pull your "valid wartarget" into a system and park there. The threat factor is there and it happens. (been there, done that in E-Uni)

It's a form of AFK PvP so if you like that style of play... Perhaps support some botting efforts that would enable less requirements to actively be involved in game-play might be in order.

After all, why come up with silly mechanics that make pilots actually have to fly their ships. It's a computer game and automation to alleviate boring activities like "hunting" to find targets... it should be acceptable, right?

The whole idea of AFK cloaking, is the risk of a hotdrop when they get you. Thats the whole point of it. If you ignore the AFK cloaker, he can and likely will **** you up.

What's the argument against cloak fuel, manufactured from gas harvested only from lowsec?

Oh and I live in w-space and cloak _a lot_ on many toons.

Cloak fuel would just be a fun mechanic, adding excitement to cloaked hunting.

CCP has admitted that this needs attention but also said that it required Coding on the EvE Kernal code and therefore not a minor change.

Cool, active hardeners actually use cap.

What's the argument against cloak fuel, manufactured from gas harvested only from lowsec?

Oh and I live in w-space and cloak _a lot_ on many toons.

Cloak fuel would just be a fun mechanic, adding excitement to cloaked hunting.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem

Wow, well thought out solutions there.... Lets take them one by one.

- Fuel usage
Nerfs active cloakers who travel for long periods in 0sec or WHs.

- Cap usage increase per time
Nerfs active cloakers who travel cloaked.

- Scan x10 or x20 more time to find them
Well done, you have completely broken wormholes.

My question is, why is it that all the solutions from the people demanding nerfs, actually hurt active cloakers as well.
But if you suggest 'Remove cloakers from local' (which will remove the ability for AFK cloakers to scare the nullbears), all the nullbears start screaming about that. I guess they dont want to do any extra work to deffend 'their' system.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

AFK Cloakers ARE a problem. I have nothing against cloaking and i dont think it needs to change in any way. Its the AFK part that its ****** up.

AFK clockers have just one specific function, and its that someone who is not playing at that time, can **** up the game experience of someone who is. Remember, this is a GAME, GAMEs are meant to be FUN.

It can be fixed quite easily, put a 15-20min timer, and if you do not perform any action in that time, cloak goes offline. Active spies wont have any problem staying all day long cloaked providing intel, as long as they are there playing. And if they need to take a break, they just log off, like anyone else would if not in a safe location.

As a pubbie, I have to ask: is this fuzz about afk-cloakers just about seeing a non-blue name in local and fearing that every second, this cloaker could come back to the keyboard and stalk you? Honest question.

AFK Cloakers are not an issue most of the time you get nothing and occasionally you get blown up. unless you bring mates to rat or simply goto another system. I grew up in Null and never got a single death from an AFK cloaky.

i was never killed by USA soldiers.
I was never attacked by snake.
I was never hit by car....

Decide for yourself what does your experience worth in some cases.....

The problem with your analogies is the fact that snakes, soldiers and cars are capable of killing you. An AFK cloaker is not. It is literally impossible.

Oh, and regarding the short minded comment before, that users should try different systems. Any major alliance has enough active accounts, to dedicate 8 days to create a cloaky alt. You just take to the desired system, and every time you are not playing, you log on and stay there cloaked ******* up everyone else's game. Really smart and fun thing to do... You should really be in the game industry, since you have so many great ideas on how to make games fun.

well.
Soldiers aren't here. Do you see them? (most of you will not even see his shot before it hits you)
snakes aren't here. Do you see them? (most of time you will notice snake only after attack)
cars isn't here (elsewere you won't be so careless to get hit by it)

See analogy with "AFK"?

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I'm not entirely sure which part of "I think that AFK cloaking means bugger all" you don't understand, but whatever part it was it must have been important since you have completely and utterly missed my point. But I'm glad I've enabled you to get all that pent up sperg out, do you feel better? Now you can go back to your highsec incursions while patting yourself on the back for doing something with just so much risk.

Requiring some other kind of fuel will ruin deep/longer-term reconnaissance.

Both of these facts support the notion that complainers are being completely dishonest, imo. They don't care about afk players (and why would they, someone who is afk can't do anything) but are in fact desperately trying to make the game easier for themselves, and harder for their enemies.

[quote=Apo Lyptica]I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-


AFK cloakers cant do **** to you, they can't even actively report intel on you.

Nah, what the heck is the problem with letting people operate solo in 0.0? Because this is basically what the cloak lets you do, and it's the only kind of defense, other then spending hours jumping from safespot to safespot, that lets you do this.

If you remove cloaking, 0.0 becomes nothing but a pure bruteforce arena. If you get a solo explorer in one of your systems you just grab 15-20 guys, set up gatecamps at all gates, Tachyon probe him down and kill him. And the only alternative left for him is to log off and pray he doesn't get killed before his minute is over.

Wow I didnt know TeamSpeak or Mummble or Ventrillo didnt work while you were cloaked. How did they do that????

The only real problem I have with afk cloakers is the T3 ships being able to both cloak and use interdiction nullifier at the same time...

But promoting afk play is a really really bad feature... I dont care about people cloaking in system all day long if I know they are playing. just as I am forced to actually play if I want to achieve something else.

No fuel doesn't ruin it at all, just makes it more interesting. Covopses could get a bonus to fuel consumption, and Cloaking skill could also decrease consumption. Cloaking huge ships like Orcas would gobble up fuel.

I don't care a bit about nullbears and their AFK cloaking issues, I just see the cloak as a very powerful module, and being able to use such a tool forever counterintuitive and lame.

Just like real long-term recon operations can't go on forever without resupplying, cloakers would just need to load fuel every now and then.



You could just as well say that opposing any changes to forevercloaking is trying to keep the game easy for themselves and harder for their enemies, but my motivation is to make it more interesting and dynamic for all. WH space is infested with cloaky alts, would it really be worse for the game, if there would be a small window in time where they would be exposed?

Think about, what is cooler: being able to spy without any chance of ever getting caught, or spying knowing that in two days your corpie needs to bring you more fuel, and your targets might guesstimate when your fuel runs out and are prepared? Or trying to get into a hostile system to save that cloaker?

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

The problem is not cloaking itself.

The problem is 23/7 afk cloakt alt's in miner, ratter systems blocking them and you dont know when he will maybe attack you or hotdrop you.
im not a hardcore miner or ratter, but he can not be killed even with a high time/isk investment (scanning , maybe cloakscannship) and that sucks.

You just can do NOTHING to kill him - but for him = no risk for reward, when he made it to the system

and im ******* shure i will not rat with a neut in the system with a 2b ship to make them happy hotdropping.
i will just loggoff and play something else, because im to lazy to move with 2-3 accounts for 1 hour ratting, than im bored anyway :P

...
and im ******* shure i will not rat with a neut in the system with a 2b ship to make them happy hotdropping.

We don't need more of that just to make you feel better while you solo AFK mine.[/b]

The problem is not cloaking itself.

The problem is 23/7 afk cloakt alt's in miner, ratter systems blocking them and you dont know when he will maybe attack you or hotdrop you.
im not a hardcore miner or ratter, but he can not be killed even with a high time/isk investment (scanning , maybe cloakscannship) and that sucks.

You just can do NOTHING to kill him - but for him = no risk for reward, when he made it to the system

and im ******* shure i will not rat with a neut in the system with a 2b ship to make them happy hotdropping.
i will just loggoff and play something else, because im to lazy to move with 2-3 accounts for 1 hour ratting, than im bored anyway :P

Who knew goonswarm had whiny nullbears too? :)

If he is currently ******* you up then he was not AFK cloaked but just cloaked waiting for you to make a dumb.

Please explain to the class how an AFK cloaker can do this.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

You claim "no risk for reward" for the AFK cloaker, but that is not true. He is AFK. He cannot kill you. There is no reward. There is no activity, no gain, no loss, no anything for the AFK cloaker. If he hotdrops you then he clearly wasn't AFK, and its a case of "working as intended" and HTFU

If you choose not to rat while he's in system, that's your fault.
If you refuse to move a single system over, where he's not present, that is again your fault.
You chose to live in nullsec, where getting shot or hotdropped is a possibility. If you can't handle that possibility then take your unnecessarily overpriced carebear ships back to hisec. Nullsec is not your own personal little safe playground. Get that through your damn skulls.

Summary: Terrible nullbears are terrible.

Nullsec is not your own personal little safe playground

OK, clearly some people are really dumb and need this explained cause they cant figure it out.

There is a clear reward for an AFK cloaker, he interrupts his enemies isk making activities. Thats a MAYOR gain, and he is doing that AFK.

If someone should be able to cause such an impact on his enemy, he at least should be there playing to do it.

Moving a system over?? are you dumb? cant cope with math?? check how many low and nullsec systems are in eve, check how many active accounts have ANY major alliance. Quite easily every single low/nullsec system in eve can have its own wing of AFK cloakers going for 23/7.

You talk so much about wormhole space, well, go there and shut the **** up. low and nullsec do not generate the same income as WH space, hence the risk is different.



Let me help you out moron, keyword there. PLAY. its not AFKground, its PLAYground. See the difference?

and your an idiot.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?

How about this, extend the cloak cycle to something long, say 15-20 min, and disable the autocycle. Allow that next cycle can be reactivated 1-2min before the cycle ends (to be sure you wont decloak accidentally for a sec).

An active player wont have any problem staying cloaked for 23hs that way, as long as he is there reactivating the cloak. But an AFK will lose the cloak in 1 cycle.

Its even good if you need to step away for a few minutes and dont want to log off.

No fuel, no cap, no detecting cloak. It just screws AFK players.

For me, 20 minutes is a bit short. It usually takes me around 30 to take a s**t and wipe my a** so I would extend it a little. Good idea though. + 1

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Mr Epeen

It just screws AFK players.

You are just being vindictive because they touch you in a bad place.

Still fixes the problem.

I've looked through the EULA and the TOS and found nothing at all requiring you to be actively logged in at all times. If it's not against the rules, then it's 'working as intended' according to CCP tradition.

You are just being vindictive because they touch you in a bad place.

Mr Epeen

Never asked to get them banned, hence your mention of EULA and the TOS is irrelevant.

Actually, if they do change it in the way i proposed, you can still AFK cloak, by using a 3rd party software. But then you WOULD be risking getting banned for using a 3rd party app to automate gameplay. And that IS against EULA/TOS.

BTW, read the news, recent action taken against AFK complex farming ... its work as intented, and still action is being taken against it.

AFK = Not playing. CCP should work so that there is no activity that could be done AFK, even cloaking.

Never asked to get them banned, hence your mention of EULA and the TOS is irrelevant.

Actually, if they do change it in the way i proposed, you can still AFK cloak, by using a 3rd party software. But then you WOULD be risking getting banned for using a 3rd party app to automate gameplay. And that IS against EULA/TOS.

BTW, read the news, recent action taken against AFK complex farming ... its work as intented, and still action is being taken against it.

AFK = Not playing. CCP should work so that there is no activity that could be done AFK, even cloaking.

Based on field test performed recently, you do have a point there. Lets say 1hr just to be sure ... Still fixes the problem.

AFK = Not playing. CCP should work so that there is no activity that could be done AFK, even cloaking.

BTW, read the news, recent action taken against AFK complex farming ... its work as intented, and still action is being taken against it.

AFK = Not playing. CCP should work so that there is no activity that could be done AFK, even cloaking.

Did the rapier touch you in the bad place? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14229022

The complex action, was directly due to being able to AFK and gain a substantial financial benefit. So they are not comparable.

As far as AFK activities are concerned, are you asking for the removal of skill training, market trading or manufacturing etc etc?

Disrupting your enemies hability to make ISK, while being AFK is quite a benefit. Not one that your wallet will see, but still quite a gain.



No, you can narrow it down to "any AFK ship related activity" if you prefer.

I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.

That's not a gain for the cloaker, it's a lose for the guy deciding not to rat/mine etc. Not the same thing.

Also being AFK in a ship cloaked, means no activity.

Also please answer me this question. Whilst someone is AFK, what game mechanic are they using to interact with you?

AFK on a ship has an activity, check the cloak cycle reactivating. Thats an activity.
And that person is using the local to show up, and generate a response on the players. If there is a player on that ship, thats cool. But if someone is doing that, not being there, then thats not cool.

Why so much emphasis on backing up a tactic done by people not playing, affecting people who is?

No, actually someone screwed the standing system and he was blue to me. Ship and implants were replaced within minute, if you really need to know ...

i see what you are going for here and it's a catch 22

one thing is the Psychological Warfare. I may not have a lot of firepower, but if I want to be annoying, I'll go put a cloaky in the system of people who annoy me as well. I may not be able to blow up a ship, but I can temporarily make those ratters and miners paranoid enough that they will just stay docked up. Because, you know, some of those nullbears are equally risk adverse as the high-sec carebears. And it's fun to mess with their heads.

Additionally, I have 5 accounts and can run them all at once on 4 monitors. these recon alts I have are very useful for surveillance while I goof around with my other toons. So while one account may be not flying around or chatting. It certainly is "doing something" for me and doing something to those it impacts mentally. So technically, since the cloaky is providing a role and service to me, that character IS playing the game. Just because you think they are NOT doing something doesn't make it necessarily true.

Anything that a cloaky can do to you, if you know who it belongs to, you can equally do it to them. AND why should SOV holding power-blocs feel completely safe? What you are suggesting would just make their lives easier and less risky. You might feel differently someday when your perspective changes and you might actually say "geez, this is very useful. i cannot believe I was trying to change this"

the #1 reason why this should stay the way it is. RECON, is boring as all get out. It is a role that should be reserved to an active alt that you can run along with your main. I cannot imagine a player, who only has one account, that would actually want to sit around and watch gates and stations for hours on end, while their buddies make isk and have fun. It's a mobile camera. It's there to observe. now if that cloaky is part of a fleet.....that changes the whole scenario and makes things quite deadly.