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Lougen Mourkaii	Posted - 2010.10.20 20:53:00 - [1] PETITION For the immediate INVALIDATION of results and RE-JUDGING to determine the Top-15 entries in the ôEVE Online: Create a Starship Contestö held by DeviantArt.com for the creators of EVE Online, CCP, specifically based on the widespread outcry by the EVE community and for this RE-JUDGING to be done based on the original, official rules and requirements of the contest as found at http://news.deviantart.com/article/128272/ and to be completed ONLY by the EVE Online creative staff. To: CCP, creators of EVE Online, and the DeviantArt.com Staff and Contest Judges. From: The Below Signed, representing the EVE Players, community members and Artists participating in the ôEVE Online: Create a Starship Contestö In Response To: 1. The widespread outcry of the community related to the judgesÆ unbalanced and poor selection of the Top-15 (as described by a vast number of community comments) in relation to the many thousands of other valid contest designs. 2. The outcry by the EVE Online community and DeviantArt.com artists and others (hereafter known as ôthe communityö) regarding the judging, and methods used, in the selection of the Top-15 entries as determined by the DeviantArt.com staff judges in the ôEVE Online: Create a Starship Contestö 3. The outcry of the community regarding the judges overt disregard for the official judging rules and basis of ôOriginality, Creative Presentation of the Task and Technical Artistic Skillö per the contests official rules and suggestions found on http://news.deviantart.com/article/128272/ and in relation to the Top-15 entries selected. a.This statement specifically asserts that the judges did not accurately judge entries based on these three above specified design requirements, as reflected in their selection of the top-15 entries and the widespread community outcry to this, and thus did not accurately portray to all contestants what would and would not be the basis for selection as a semi-finalist. 4. For generally angering, irritating and dumbfounding (summarized as ôpublic dismayö for the purposes of this point) the vast majority of contest artists, DeviantArt.com users and the EVE Online community in general. a. For the purposes of this above statement, may it be shown that the general public dismay made apparent by the judging of the contest is in direct relation to the multiple above points under ôIn Response Toö By signing below (or replying in Forum Post, Reply or Comment) I hereby acknowledge that I agree to support the above PETITION by the EVE Community and DeviantArt.com Community to have the judging of this contest invalidated and re-judged directly by the EVE Online creative staff. SIGNED:
Lougen Mourkaii	Posted - 2010.10.20 20:55:00 - [2] /signed Lougen Mourkaii
Joe Phoenix	Posted - 2010.10.20 20:56:00 - [3] Signed.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.10.20 20:57:00 - [4] Edited by: Bomberlocks on 20/10/2010 21:02:24 Edit: /Signed.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.10.20 20:59:00 - [5] /signed Agreeing for the first and only time with Joe Phoenix, this contest was pure bull****. CSM thread is here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1402661, so go support it. -----------
PSY CHO	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:00:00 - [6] totally sign! greetings from eve-outtakes.de
Xero Cell Rage Orbital Construction Associates Galactic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:04:00 - [7] /SIGNED
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:04:00 - [8] Someone mind explaining what the outrage was all about? Isn't judging a sort of 'subjective' thing?
Lougen Mourkaii	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Bomberlocks Would sign petition, but there's already one up in the Assembly Hall. Might copy yours and petition it in game, though. FYI, the one thread in the Assembly Hall is more of a community venting thread (which is also sorely needed), this is a truly official community petition drafted with a set of points and reasons. Thank you!
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:05:00 - [10] Edited by: Zions Child on 20/10/2010 21:06:55 */SIGNED* Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.

Makoto Shinobi	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:05:00 - [11] signed: Makoto 誠
Malia Fia	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:06:00 - [12] Signed
Lougen Mourkaii	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:07:00 - [13] Edited by: Lougen Mourkaii on 20/10/2010 21:08:56 Originally by: Franga Someone mind explaining what the outrage was all about? Isn't judging a sort of 'subjective' thing? It's well known that judging is subjective. But, you should check out the many thousands of contest entries here first: http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/ and then check out the top-15 as selected by DeviantArt staff here http://news.deviantart.com/article/133308/ A complete travesty. Thousands of people are united in uproar over this "judging". That's why I've posted this community petition to be signed by those in agreement.
Dragon Greg	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:07:00 - [14] signed
Battle Cylinder	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:10:00 - [15] Signed.
Shin Dari	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:10:00 - [16] Signed.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Lougen Mourkaii Thousands of people are united in uproar over this "judging". Riiiightà Maybe you should hold back on that kind of statement before you have any actual numbers behind it. This "widespread outcry" of yoursà àit's seems rather thin and quiet. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Verkon Corb	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:11:00 - [18] Signed.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Franga Someone mind explaining what the outrage was all about? Isn't judging a sort of 'subjective' thing? The fact that of the 15 finalists, maybe (and this is being very generous) five of them actually fit the style of EVE. The others are a mix of decent but not-EVE-related designs, and utter trash like THIS. Meanwhile designs that were popular with the EVE community were ignored. The reason for this is the simple fact that deviantart sucks. Had this contest been run on a more respectable CG art site, we wouldn't he having this problem. -----------
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Lougen Mourkaii Thousands of people are united in uproar over this "judging". Riiiightà Maybe you should hold back on that kind of statement before you have any actual numbers behind it. This "widespread outcry" of yoursà àit's seems rather thin and quiet. Put it this way, of the few hundred people who have commented on the results by now, about three have found them good.

Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:15:00 - [21] ROFL! I knew this was coming!!!! You guys are on the wrong forums. The DA contest committee made the decisions on the first round of voting not CCP...... There is a special place your this type of post as well... HERE Fair warning, if you thought that EVE Online players flame people.....Think again!
joomla alacard	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:15:00 - [22] /signed
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:16:00 - [23] SUH-POR-TEHD _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Xero Cell Rage Orbital Construction Associates Galactic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Lougen Mourkaii Thousands of people are united in uproar over this "judging". Riiiightà Maybe you should hold back on that kind of statement before you have any actual numbers behind it. This "widespread outcry" of yoursà àit's seems rather thin and quiet. lolfail just wait and see, the top 15 was literally just announced. give it a full 24 hours and then you'll see the chaos that unfolds. and then you'll be hitting yourself for making such an ignorant statement. haha, that was funny man. hey wait, maybe you were joking? if so the joke was fail.
Triple Entendre	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:18:00 - [25] Edited by: Triple Entendre on 20/10/2010 21:19:05 Okay, that's all well and good. But when are the 15 who would fit into EVE going to be announced? EDIT: Very goddamn signed. Originally by: CCP Navigator Confirming that I am the best poster. I realize no one asked but confirming it regardless.
N'Kmuhra Keziz	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:19:00 - [26] Signed
Deliram	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:19:00 - [27] signed
Ozef	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:20:00 - [28] SIGNED
Jeny naru	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:21:00 - [29] /signed
Andimion	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:21:00 - [30] signed Andimion

Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:22:00 - [31] Holy crap. I saw THIS and Immediately think This. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Lougen Mourkaii	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Lougen Mourkaii Thousands of people are united in uproar over this "judging". Riiiightà Maybe you should hold back on that kind of statement before you have any actual numbers behind it. This "widespread outcry" of yoursà àit's seems rather thin and quiet. Trust me, it's an uproar when (just based on DeviantArt.com stats in the past 2+ hours), of the 545 comments already posted directly to the DeviantArt.com contest top-15 announcement page more than 500 of those are negative or rejecting the results, the "announcement story" has been rated as making 57 people "Mad/Sad" and only 9 "Wow/Joy", and that the story has been "rejected" by readers 97 times and "liked" 45 times. Or you can just be perceptive and look at the reaction of those around you on this forum, in game, or browse the DeviantArt results announcement page here: http://news.deviantart.com/article/133308/ The general sense is: "what the hell were the DeviantArt judges thinking?!"
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:23:00 - [33] Originally by: Xero Cell give it a full 24 hours and then you'll see the chaos that unfolds. and then you'll be hitting yourself for making such an ignorant statement. No I won't. You see, at this point he's still just making silly presumptions about what he hopes is true, and he could simply have said that he was in an uproad and cried out, and asked people to join inà àthe message would be the same, but he wouldn't look like a presumptuous git. Once he got the thousand /signs, then he could start banging on the big drum. Before that? Not so much. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kumq uat Gallente Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:25:00 - [34] Translation is as follows. My/my corpies/my friends (hencforth referred to as we) picture did not make the final 15 and we are incredibly butthurt. We spent hours on it in MS Paint and the plaid trim and pen!s turrets should have gotten us in. We demand a revote where we will win! --------------------------------------- www.eve-pirate.com original author
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:25:00 - [35] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 20/10/2010 21:27:06 Wow...some of the "top 15" are total crap compared to many that didn't make it...makes you wonder which of the 15 are regular contributors to DA...eh? WAY SIGNED! Syn Callibri Commander - Fleet Ops [21EL] Keeper of the Blood Pact
Dagny Bronstein	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:26:00 - [36] Edited by: Dagny Bronstein on 20/10/2010 21:36:15 by writing that I think this thread is pretty silly I actually sign the petition? lol edit: I think it's silly because no matter what the official "rules" of that contest may say the deciding factor will always be what designs CCP can actually envision in EVE (from a gameplay-, design- and backstory-perspective) and that means that many of the super-innovative, well-executed designs will naturally not qualify for the CCP/DA short-list (because they don't fit the potential roles CCP has in mind for this new ship, cannot easily be redesigned/adapted to the style of one EVE faction, ...). A relatively plain design is much more attractive to CCP as it leaves more room to be adapted to CCP's ideas/wishes. Dunno why people act so surprised by this...
Lougen Mourkaii	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:26:00 - [37] Originally by: Kumq uat Translation is as follows. My/my corpies/my friends (hencforth referred to as we) picture did not make the final 15 and we are incredibly butthurt. We spent hours on it in MS Paint and the plaid trim and pen!s turrets should have gotten us in. We demand a revote where we will win! Incorrect, but nice try. FYI http://news.deviantart.com/article/133308/
Xenaos	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:28:00 - [38] it's ugly /Signed
Krats The Pioneers	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:28:00 - [39] /Signed - Nooo! The cake can't be a lie!!
Lougen Mourkaii	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Xero Cell give it a full 24 hours and then you'll see the chaos that unfolds. and then you'll be hitting yourself for making such an ignorant statement. No I won't. You see, at this point he's still just making silly presumptions about what he hopes is true, and he could simply have said that he was in an uproad and cried out, and asked people to join inà àthe message would be the same, but he wouldn't look like a presumptuous git. Once he got the thousand /signs, then he could start banging on the big drum. Before that? Not so much. It's called a collective voice. I chose to create a petition that many others could sign on to. I did not MAKE anyone sign it, they only do with their free will. You're not insulting me, you're insulting many. People are mad at the judging. Though you might not believe that, it's true. Thus the petition. Thank you for your comments!

Raid'En	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:31:00 - [41] assembly hall thread is here ---------------- Wormhole Trading
Jet Heart	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:31:00 - [42] Signed!
yoo'hoo	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:31:00 - [43] /signed Next time host the contest at a better site.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:32:00 - [44] signed There are two groups who's ascetic sense I trust enough for something like this. CCP, or the playerbase itself. Third parties have no place in something like this. I like me Recruiter
Peacewise	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:33:00 - [45] /signed You know, it would've been nice if more than maybe two of the selections made anything like a remote attempt to utilize the well established and recognizable aesthetic of the EVE universe, and maybe were designed with that in mind.
Lougen Mourkaii	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:34:00 - [46] I will allow this petition, and those who sign it, speak for itself. If you support this petition, and are thus offended by the judging of the EVE design contest, please sign on below. This is an open petition to everyone in the EVE community and beyond. Petitions are just that: a voice to those who feel they should have one. This is our united voice.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:35:00 - [47] Originally by: Lougen Mourkaii You're not insulting me, you're insulting many. Quite incorrect. I'm saying you are pre-judging the results. Quote: of the 545 comments already posted directly to the DeviantArt.com contest top-15 announcement page more than 500 of those are negative or rejecting the results àand here, too, you are presuming too much. How many of those are the same people expressing their discontent over and over again, discussing back and forth how awful the selection was? I saw a fairly large repeat rate as I paged through it. Again, it would serve your argument far better if you made those kind of grand statements after you knew how great a support you had, and until then, simply state what you thought and ask people to show their support. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Train Tracks	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:35:00 - [48] /signed!!!!!!
Jack bubu Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:37:00 - [49] /signed!
Fulkurth	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:39:00 - [50] /Signed some of the entries have potential for the Eve Universe but it's clear that, although the artists have talent, they really have no idea what would "fit" within the universe; which should have instantly ruled them out of any semi-Final. Is the point here not to come up with a ship fitting the current Universe and IP rather than tearing it to shreds and saying "I'll do what I want, the IP can bend to my will"?

Crowlin Gallanus	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:40:00 - [51] Signed
Steve Celeste Overdogs	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:42:00 - [52] All aboard the QQ train. Finally some designs that actually have a sci-fi look. But please go ahead, keep enjoying your boring ravens.
trevormax	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:42:00 - [53] Edited by: trevormax on 20/10/2010 21:44:37 /signed. I don't know what they were smoking when they chose this
Deliram	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:43:00 - [54] Originally by: Dagny Bronstein Edited by: Dagny Bronstein on 20/10/2010 21:36:15 by writing that I think this thread is pretty silly I actually sign the petition? lol edit: I think it's silly because no matter what the official "rules" of that contest may say the deciding factor will always be what designs CCP can actually envision in EVE (from a gameplay-, design- and backstory-perspective) and that means that many of the super-innovative, well-executed designs will naturally not qualify for the CCP/DA short-list (because they don't fit the potential roles CCP has in mind for this new ship, cannot easily be redesigned/adapted to the style of one EVE faction, ...). A relatively plain design is much more attractive to CCP as it leaves more room to be adapted to CCP's ideas/wishes. Dunno why people act so surprised by this... Go read the rules, there where reference on making something that fit in eve universe, giving example of how a ship should look(so a big image with already existing ships). CCp can stop this anytime soon they just should say that CCP told DA judges to use some sort of unknown chose factor that comed to select already existing ships, bad looking others... and just 3-4 of all the awensome work that where. I have done myself a ship, it's not a very good one but DAMN it's a lot better than many of those, and still more original, and fit in eve! And i learned 3d model/gimp from 0 WHILE the contest where already on! This is ridiculus! There are work that are some state of art that you cant think why they should not add those ship(even replace existing ones with those) ASAP! Even all the work from eve comunity where far better than most of those! Or as i think they will say "we knew nothing but we are sorry, there is nothing we can do"...or as i hope(because i love the game and i think CCP is a good company) maybe they will arrange something, maybe not a re-judge(what is done cant be undone) but...something!
DarkBloodRain Let It Rain Blood Independent Faction	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:43:00 - [55] Signed. Most of these ships don't fit in the EVE universe. The judges should have been CCP stuff. Let it rain...
Shin Dari	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:43:00 - [56] Even the pure DA members are rejecting this selection.
Nitsirk Llenrav Caldari Midnight Elites	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:45:00 - [57] /signed.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:46:00 - [58] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 20/10/2010 21:49:03 /SIGNED CCP should be ashamed of this selection. Some are good, a lot are not, at least one is truly WTF. There's no excused for this cluster***. Refuses to bathe for a week, grabs a protest sign and buys a Che t-shirt* NO TORNADO, NO PEACE! NO TORNADO, NO PEACE!
Admiral Man'treb	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:46:00 - [59] /signed I don't typically post on the forums but I just had to when I saw the semi finalist. Some surely belong there, and others well...In the end its a matter of opinion but I'd have to say there are a few that just don't merit being up there. (Was hoping so bad for the Tornado!!!) Never had an experience with DA before but just from this I know to avoid them in the future.
Shaalira D'arc	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:48:00 - [60] /signed.

Swan Stratesses	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:53:00 - [61] Signed.
Linas IV	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:53:00 - [62] Signed.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:55:00 - [63] /signed The DA-selection is just horrible. I am sure that CCP can do so much better on their own!
Lorgren Benirus Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:57:00 - [64] Signed
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:58:00 - [65] /signed Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:59:00 - [66] Have to agree and sign, looks like someone picked all the goofy ships. The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
sallazzar	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:01:00 - [67] signed
Wu Jiaqiu Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:03:00 - [68] SIGNED!
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:05:00 - [69] Edited by: Razin on 20/10/2010 22:10:27 /signed Topic in the Assembly Hall. ...
Your Client	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:06:00 - [70] Edited by: Your Client on 20/10/2010 22:13:08 /signed Edit: That advertising transport is HILARIOUS, but it looks like an iteron

Icebok Red Federation	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:06:00 - [71] /signed.
count sporkula	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:12:00 - [72] so. when can i start flying the kosher dill pickle-ship... cause i would rather fly that then most of those choices. obviously /signed
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:12:00 - [73] /signed.
Harazan	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:16:00 - [74] /signed
Falaricae	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:18:00 - [75] Sweet jesus what a travesty. Just using their own rules of judging I can't see how they ever got those 15 out of all those entries. Some of those 15 earned their place, but others are lacking and have no relation to EVE. I might not care, but designs more awesome than I ever imagined got ignored as a result. If CCP ignores them too, it is EVE and the players who will end up suffering as a result. /signed
Makko Gray Nexus Aerospace Corporation The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:19:00 - [76] They've chosen a four or five good ones, two or three more that could work with a bit more polish by CCP (remembering providing a render with surfaces and textures was optional and not required) and it looks like they gave up after that. There are certainly some very good candidates left out. I think CCP should add 5 wildcards of their own choice (or community vote if possible) to top the shortlist up to 20.
Cpt Advile	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:21:00 - [77] /signed manta class battleship ________________________________ ACXtreme @ deviantart
Kun Kun	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:22:00 - [78] /signed
Cutter Isaacson Minmatar Hollow World Mining Corporation	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:22:00 - [79] /signed Totally baffled as to which game 90% of those ship designs are going to be implemented into......... Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Some people should just stick to Pac Man.
Kwade Kunum	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:26:00 - [80] Signed. There are 4 ships in the top 15 that are even close to looking like something that might make it into the game. The rest are crap. No offence to the artists, you did well (Except the LA Failcruiser).

Dusenman Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:31:00 - [81] Signed Dusenman
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:32:00 - [82] Signed! - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Femaref Armageddon Day WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:33:00 - [83] Signed. http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/283/d/b/eve_online__tornado_by_dreamwa1ker-d30g6np.jpg this should've been in there.
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:34:00 - [84] signed
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:36:00 - [85] Originally by: Femaref Signed. http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/283/d/b/eve_online__tornado_by_dreamwa1ker-d30g6np.jpg this should've been in there. IMHO, that should be the winner, it's so full of awesome, but it should have made the final 15 easily.
LEMMING LEMMINGS	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:39:00 - [86] ****ing signed
Pai Suree	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:39:00 - [87] /signed
Laees	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:40:00 - [88] /Signed
Pedro Carnicero Amarr Hartes Beton	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:40:00 - [89] signed
Firion Corodix	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:45:00 - [90] signed

Komen Gallente Flying Target LLC	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:51:00 - [91] /signed I am aghast at the results of the semifinalist selection. It was a mistake to leave judging to non-Eve persons without some sort of criteria to judge by. There are many far superior, and Eve-worthy, entrants. Not ONE of those entrants should be paid so much as (insert single unit of failed currency here).
Neko Tora	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:51:00 - [92] /signed
Pai Suree	Posted - 2010.10.20 22:58:00 - [93] If you have a Deviant Art account, don't forget to go to the semifinalists page and click the "Reject" button under the pile of images.
London Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:00:00 - [94] /signed
Azureite Amarr	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:00:00 - [95] /sign
CAPSLOCKBROKEN CEO	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:01:00 - [96] /SIGNED THIS IS A DISGRACE.
Tykari Gallente AOE Enterprise	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:03:00 - [97] signed ------ In my memories is still see the waves. The light and the energy pulsing, forming shapes so complex and beautiful. It is a tale none will ever believe.
Ritournelle	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:05:00 - [98] /signed
kiki mo Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:06:00 - [99] NOT signed QQ moar, bunch of whiny 2yr olds
Trumpkin	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:07:00 - [100] /signed

Hans Ulrich	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:16:00 - [101] /Signed.
krickettt Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:18:00 - [102] Edited by: krickettt on 20/10/2010 23:19:36 /signed I am disappoint. VERY.
Pesky LaRue The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:19:00 - [103] Soooo - am I the only one that thinks - with a few exceptions - that these aren't anywhere near as terrible as a lot of people are making out? I agree that a few of them (BES protector, Masonis) either aren't very EvE-esque or aren't very good or original (LA Battlecruiser) but I don't think the majority of them are so terrible they're worth getting up in arms over - and this 'petition' is, frankly, a joke. Would I have picked these over some of the others? Maybe not, but I wasn't judging. As for the "this ship doesn't look like it belongs in EvE" crowd - I remember reading the exact same thing about the Zephyr and the Noctis/Primae, and as these came directly from CCP, I'm not sure that argument holds any water... .
Suran Ald'Ruhn Minmatar Tactical Knightmare	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:20:00 - [104] For the love of god /signed
Rinker Jass	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:28:00 - [105] /signed this really sadned me to see those entries
Elric Hexx Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:31:00 - [106] Edited by: Elric Hexx on 20/10/2010 23:35:10 Signed Based solely on rules considerations. My ships didn't adhere to the rules and I realized it to late, my bad. I paid for it. Make DA stick to the Rules and actually LOOK at the art.
Kidzukurenai Datael Imperial Collective Celestial Shadows	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:31:00 - [107] /SIGNED I almost never post on the forums. THAT is how rubbish I think these ships are... Seriously... The LA Battlecruiser? Is that even a design?! WHAT IS THAT?!?! I wouldn't be surprised if it wins, though; it shouldn't be very hard to make an in-game model at all, actually... It would suit the overall half-assed production model that CCCP has been taking recently...
Qoi Exert Force	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:33:00 - [108] I hereby declare my support
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:34:00 - [109] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Soooo - am I the only one that thinks - with a few exceptions - that these aren't anywhere near as terrible as a lot of people are making out? I agree that a few of them (BES protector, Masonis) either aren't very EvE-esque or aren't very good or original (LA Battlecruiser) but I don't think the majority of them are so terrible they're worth getting up in arms over - and this 'petition' is, frankly, a joke. Would I have picked these over some of the others? Maybe not, but I wasn't judging. As for the "this ship doesn't look like it belongs in EvE" crowd - I remember reading the exact same thing about the Zephyr and the Noctis/Primae, and as these came directly from CCP, I'm not sure that argument holds any water... Not all of them are bad and some were selected by their merits, but are you ****ing kidding me about most of them. They either look like generic spaceships, joke entries(LA[long ass] battlecruiser) or something I see in anime. I'm not upset just because they aren't very EVE like, but because a large portion are crap compared to what was left out and some of those left out had the additional benefit of fitting EVE like a glove. If the semi-finalists had at least all been good entries, I wouldn't have signed anything. I'm not worried they will get implemented in the game. There are a few good ones, so the choice should be easy to pick the winner. I'm disapointed that amazing designs that were making me salivate just at the prospect that I might get to fly them didn't even make to the semi finals, but generic uninteresting ships did and even a god damn joke ships did. I also don't see why shouldn't we raise noise about this. If we don't, all those great designs will go to waste and will never have any chance of being implemented in EVE. That would be a huge loss to the game IMO, since there were loads of amazing ships, that people were excited about and would love to get their hands on. On the other hand no one is excited about most of the semi-finalists and can't see the reason why some of them were selected to be there.
Hya Bam Minmatar The Real OC Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:38:00 - [110] /signed --- "All your boot.ini are belong to us." -CCP

Frug Omega Wing	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:40:00 - [111] Epic Fail. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:42:00 - [112] rabble rabble rabble Submissions were disqualified. Doesn't matter how good they are.. if they broke the rules in place, then that is that. Anyone that didn't follow the rules, that is their own fault.. not a judges or CCPs. There is a reason judging takes place before community voting, to make sure the rules of the contest are upheld. GET OVER IT and Move On. I wonder just how many people in here are /signing cause their art did not make it in, and are using all alts to inflate the tears, I mean whine, I mean crying, I mean dislike of judges using their own personal opinions based on the art that followed the rules of the contest all had to follow. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Zia Aiz	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:43:00 - [113] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Soooo - am I the only one that thinks - with a few exceptions - that these aren't anywhere near as terrible as a lot of people are making out? I agree that a few of them (BES protector, Masonis) either aren't very EvE-esque or aren't very good or original (LA Battlecruiser) but I don't think the majority of them are so terrible they're worth getting up in arms over - and this 'petition' is, frankly, a joke. Would I have picked these over some of the others? Maybe not, but I wasn't judging. As for the "this ship doesn't look like it belongs in EvE" crowd - I remember reading the exact same thing about the Zephyr and the Noctis/Primae, and as these came directly from CCP, I'm not sure that argument holds any water... Oh no, i agree with you. With a few exceptions, only the ones who don't agree reply, most people who are fine with it, people who don't care and people who never read forums or reply anyway are not involved. Doesn't matter what outcome really, this post with several pages of replies was going to happen anyway. Might as well get i over with. I will also predict the future, we will see a few negative posts about the finalist(s) as well.
Buga Buga Haita de lupi ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:47:00 - [114] /signed DA ***gotry I'm a "Shoot me I suck" specialist.
CHEERWlNE	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:48:00 - [115] /signed
ZultanUK	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:50:00 - [116] /signed
Anslo First Flying Wing Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:51:00 - [117] Originally by: Umega rabble rabble rabble Submissions were disqualified. Doesn't matter how good they are.. if they broke the rules in place, then that is that. Anyone that didn't follow the rules, that is their own fault.. not a judges or CCPs. There is a reason judging takes place before community voting, to make sure the rules of the contest are upheld. GET OVER IT and Move On. I wonder just how many people in here are /signing cause their art did not make it in, and are using all alts to inflate the tears, I mean whine, I mean crying, I mean dislike of judges using their own personal opinions based on the art that followed the rules of the contest all had to follow. ** you. one of those ing submissions was a day AFTER the **ing deadline was due. Also, a lot of entries picked didn't include the required views. gtfo
Samsarin	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:52:00 - [118] /Signed. ... Each small candle. Lights a corner of the dark.
Helixios Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:52:00 - [119] Signed. -.- - Battle Dust Proposal
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:55:00 - [120] Originally by: Anslo Originally by: Umega rabble rabble rabble Submissions were disqualified. Doesn't matter how good they are.. if they broke the rules in place, then that is that. Anyone that didn't follow the rules, that is their own fault.. not a judges or CCPs. There is a reason judging takes place before community voting, to make sure the rules of the contest are upheld. GET OVER IT and Move On. I wonder just how many people in here are /signing cause their art did not make it in, and are using all alts to inflate the tears, I mean whine, I mean crying, I mean dislike of judges using their own personal opinions based on the art that followed the rules of the contest all had to follow. ** you. one of those ing submissions was a day AFTER the ing deadline was due. Also, a lot of entries picked didn't include the required views. gtfo Awwwwwww, did yours or a friend of yours not make it to the semi? That's too bad. Good job taking it like a crying ***, tho. Can always find out what person's personality is truly like on the inside when they don't succeed at something.. the value of a man is best determined by how they move on after they fall. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-

Anslo First Flying Wing Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:57:00 - [121] Originally by: Umega Originally by: Anslo Originally by: Umega rabble rabble rabble Submissions were disqualified. Doesn't matter how good they are.. if they broke the rules in place, then that is that. Anyone that didn't follow the rules, that is their own fault.. not a judges or CCPs. There is a reason judging takes place before community voting, to make sure the rules of the contest are upheld. GET OVER IT and Move On. I wonder just how many people in here are /signing cause their art did not make it in, and are using all alts to inflate the tears, I mean whine, I mean crying, I mean dislike of judges using their own personal opinions based on the art that followed the rules of the contest all had to follow. ** you. one of those ing submissions was a day AFTER the ing deadline was due. Also, a lot of entries picked didn't include the required views. gtfo Awwwwwww, did yours or a friend of yours not make it to the semi? That's too bad. Good job taking it like a crying *, tho. Can always find out what person's personality is truly like on the inside when they don't succeed at something.. the value of a man is best determined by how they move on after they fall. No I didn't enter, but anyone can tell you're one giant ass troll trying to tell the 99% of the eve community that's ed off that the ty entries. Many have no EVE feel to them, didn't adhere to rules of design or were ACCEPTED AS LATE ING ENTRIES. diaf **er.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:58:00 - [122] /signed Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 1SEPT10
PSY CHO	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:58:00 - [123] /signed
noc D	Posted - 2010.10.20 23:59:00 - [124] /signed
Elric Hexx Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:01:00 - [125] They ChANGED THE Selection!!!!
Freyya Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:03:00 - [126] Originally by: Umega Originally by: Anslo Originally by: Umega rabble rabble rabble Submissions were disqualified. Doesn't matter how good they are.. if they broke the rules in place, then that is that. Anyone that didn't follow the rules, that is their own fault.. not a judges or CCPs. There is a reason judging takes place before community voting, to make sure the rules of the contest are upheld. GET OVER IT and Move On. I wonder just how many people in here are /signing cause their art did not make it in, and are using all alts to inflate the tears, I mean whine, I mean crying, I mean dislike of judges using their own personal opinions based on the art that followed the rules of the contest all had to follow. ** you. one of those ing submissions was a day AFTER the ing deadline was due. Also, a lot of entries picked didn't include the required views. gtfo Awwwwwww, did yours or a friend of yours not make it to the semi? That's too bad. Good job taking it like a crying *, tho. Can always find out what person's personality is truly like on the inside when they don't succeed at something.. the value of a man is best determined by how they move on after they fall. Troll, move along people..move along. Anyhow; SIGNED! I don't hold much merit to my own submission but at least it followed the rules and was eve-esque so more of a choice that half that garbage! That said, there are at least 50 if not more designs that follow the rules, look awesome and fit into eve right away! This is just a falacy at it's best. Looks like DEVART team just randomly picked 15 and called it a day not even looking at the contest rules huh? Did i mention i sign the petition to have the judges choke on their idiocy? Or a public statement by CCP creative team that the devart judges are a bunch of **ers who couldn't actually tell a good piece of art against a complete and utter joke would be pretty cool aswell...after which they show how actual judging is done based on rules and an expert eye on the designs. ___________ NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth Pink is the color of passion xxx Shadow
Your Client	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:03:00 - [127] 1. Be a judge for DA contest. 2. Pick yourself and 2 friends that submitted an entry. 3. Pick 12 other contestants that dont have a chance. 4. ????? 5. Profit btw, How does one look exactly like a Gallente destroyer - catalyst? Have the judges ever played eve?
Krystal Flores Amarr Sinister Elite Supremacy.	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:11:00 - [128] /signed
Pai Suree	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:13:00 - [129] They changed it. Just one, but a major step in the right direction.
Lorgren Benirus Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:15:00 - [130] Their trying to sillence us by giving us candy, don't fall for it :P

Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:16:00 - [131] Public Apology Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Lougen Mourkaii	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:19:00 - [132] Originally by: Elric Hexx They ChANGED THE Selection!!!! Indeed they did! The LA Battlecruiser was removed due to copyrighting (watermarking the lower right of the design, which was a major no-no in the rules). It was replaced with the Tornado, of much fame. What makes me curious is: How did a watermark/copyright get by the judges THAT easily, when so many other people caught it EASILY. How "hard" were they really judging, how much work and thought was really put into this judging? Was it really detail oriented and based on design implementation, or were the judges picking and choosing at random? Needless to say, I'm VERY happy to see the Tornado included, I only wish it had been in the FIRST place! So what other questions might this raise about the LACK of attention to detail by the judges? How on earth did the "LA Battlecruiser" make the top-15 to begin with? That's something we may never know...
Lorgren Benirus Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:25:00 - [133] Personaly im disgusted by this, they swapped out a design that was CLEARLY beneth f.ex the tornado, first when there was a major uproar and the LA battlecruiser was caugth violating the contest rules. SCREW the apology, all of this is bulls**t and should be redone
Lougen Mourkaii	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:26:00 - [134] Originally by: Zions Child Public Apology ...Unfortunately, they are still saying they had to disqualify a number of entries due to "shading" in the schematic views. I still don't buy that, as I have seen MANY of the top entries (in my book) that are far more qualified for the top-15 that did NOT have shading! Still, it is a public acknowledgment of SOME form, which is a START. Only a start.
Paige Senzaconi	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:26:00 - [135] SIGNED They changed one of them (the one that got picked on the most), but i'm not going to back down. First of all, it's unfair for the guy that just got kicked out Secondly, there are others that can be changed To keep it FAIR in all aspects (politically, artistically, rules-wise), best solution that I can think of is the one stated in this petition. I don't care if it's against the contract between EVE and DEVIANTART. If they have any self respect they should give FULL JUDGING RIGHTS to the EVE ONLINE CREATIVE TEAM
Azureite Amarr	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:27:00 - [136] As sad as this contest may be, I am glad that we get to make fun of the "LA Battlecruiser" for many years to come.
Lorgren Benirus Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:34:00 - [137] Originally by: Azureite As sad as this contest may be, I am glad that we get to make fun of the "LA Battlecruiser" for many years to come. Someones already made a motivator! LA Motivator
Lougen Mourkaii	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:38:00 - [138] Originally by: Lorgren Benirus Personaly im disgusted by this, they swapped out a design that was CLEARLY beneth f.ex the tornado, first when there was a major uproar and the LA battlecruiser was caugth violating the contest rules. SCREW the apology, all of this is bulls**t and should be redone I agree. I think the apology is not much of an apology. Also, read below the apology into the comments. The moderators (including moonbeam) are practically mocking those that oppose the apology. It's a bit disgusting. Read the contest announcement page: the moderator "margotdent" that posted the article to begin with is replying to comments with similar disregard to the community's outrage. It simply comes down to, watermark or not, the LA Battlecruiser was voted in over the Tornado (and a hundred, or thousand, better designs for that matter) to begin with, which is totally insane. Moonbeam also states in their comment replies under their "apology" that the LA Battlecruiser WAS indeed 15th in the contest, and the Tornado was 16th...and that their "back up plan" is to always have a few judged entries in reserve.(something seems fishy here).
Anslo First Flying Wing Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:41:00 - [139] Channel available to discuss this epic fail. Join: Create a Ship Petition
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:42:00 - [140] signed.

Major Kaboomski	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:50:00 - [141] what's going on in this thread? people signing stuff? whats it about? sure, i'll sign. /signed
Ivan Tesla Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:57:00 - [142] /Signed --------------------------------------------- Francis Wolcott: "I am a sinner that does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official."
helmeo Caldari Redwaffe	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:57:00 - [143] /signed
cBOLTSON Reaction Theory Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.10.21 00:58:00 - [144] Ok il admit I was expecting to see a fair few designs that wouldnt be very fitting in eve. Yes there was a few good ones but what the ****! lmao! Some of the choices on that list look like absolute crap compared with what was on offer to pick from! Whats with the catalyst rip-off looking thing in the top 15?? hahahaa!
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:23:00 - [145] ITT a whole lot of whiny gits who's designs weren't selected. Mr Epeen
Elric Hexx Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:25:00 - [146] Where the hell is the CCP response???
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:26:00 - [147] /singed
Ebil Piwata	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:28:00 - [148] Lol, they didn't like your space ships.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:32:00 - [149] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 21/10/2010 01:33:29 Originally by: Elric Hexx Where the hell is the CCP response??? Let's not forget the timezone difference, it's the middle of the night for CCP right now. Even if they're going to post public criticism (and I suspect their art team are pretty disappointed right now, whatever they say in public) of deviantart, we aren't going to see anything until tomorrow at the earliest. -----------
Bauldy	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:36:00 - [150] /signed

Coppercab	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:37:00 - [151] /singed
Triple Entendre	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:37:00 - [152] Right. Crisis averted. Because the Tornado's going to win now and I can have one. Right? RIGHT?! Originally by: CCP Navigator Confirming that I am the best poster. I realize no one asked but confirming it regardless.
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:42:00 - [153] I'm still ****ed that badass caldari battleship did not make it. WTB STRAG.
joomla alacard	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:44:00 - [154] seems like kind of a loose argument to rule out entries for "shading". - they want uncolored, line drawings - they want all detail to be included ...so, are they claiming that shading counts as color? ...and how are they claiming as aspect of a schematic is "shading" and not "detail" when the views ARE ORTHOGONAL?!
T2 Taylor	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:44:00 - [155] /signed seriously ccp?
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:44:00 - [156] Originally by: Triple Entendre Right. Crisis averted. Because the Tornado's going to win now and I can have one. Right? RIGHT?! Its the only one that I said to myself "that looks pretty cool" even though its just an upside down backwards Myrmidon.
Szilardis	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:49:00 - [157] /signed
Miral Biers	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:52:00 - [158] Edited by: Miral Biers on 21/10/2010 01:53:10 /signed
Galennde	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:54:00 - [159] /Signed
Triple Entendre	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:55:00 - [160] Originally by: Shawshanke Originally by: Triple Entendre Right. Crisis averted. Because the Tornado's going to win now and I can have one. Right? RIGHT?! Its the only one that I said to myself "that looks pretty cool" even though its just an upside down backwards Myrmidon. An upside down backwards RUSTY Myrmidon, thank you very much. Originally by: CCP Navigator Confirming that I am the best poster. I realize no one asked but confirming it regardless.

Zahira Wrath Amarr Dominion Strategic	Posted - 2010.10.21 02:16:00 - [161] Edited by: Zahira Wrath on 21/10/2010 02:18:18 Signed. This one should be in the finalists I mean come on! http://noc-d.deviantart.com/art/HORUS-182598414?q=boost%3Apopular+in%3Acontests%2F2010%2Feveonline+max_age%3A8h&qo=12 Edit: The Tornado is the only ship that "feels" like it fits in the Eve universe. Everything else seems out of place/
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.10.21 02:18:00 - [162] Originally by: Zahira Wrath Signed. This one should be in the finalists I mean come on! http://noc-d.deviantart.com/art/HORUS-182598414?q=boost%3Apopular+in%3Acontests%2F2010%2Feveonline+max_age%3A8h&qo=12 Ok, now i'm even more ****ed off. The DA judges weren't qualified to pick ships for this game.
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.21 02:30:00 - [163] Edited by: Orange Lagomorph on 21/10/2010 02:32:40 I saw some amazing ship designs for this contest that blew my **ing mind. I'm not an artist myself, nor am I a professional art critic... but anyone can recognize truly fantastic designs and artwork when they see them. This is ing ridiculous. The only ship that clearly deserves to be in that lineup is the Tornado. Its design is impressive, the artistry is second to none, and it fits perfectly with Minmatar aesthetics. Of the others, two-thirds of them barely conform to EVE aesthetic standards (some don't even remotely fit into EVE), and others are simply pedestrian in design or lacking in true artistry. /SIGNED**
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.21 02:35:00 - [164] I mean, just look at this garbage: Basically a Minmatar Iteron Are you **ing kidding me? That thing is a piece of **. When you see entries that got passed over in favor of THAT garbage, you KNOW there's something seriously wrong here.
Lorgren Benirus Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.21 02:40:00 - [165] Originally by: Orange Lagomorph I mean, just look at this garbage: Basically a Minmatar Iteron Are you **ing kidding me? That thing is a piece of **. When you see entries that got passed over in favor of THAT garbage, you KNOW there's something seriously wrong here. It dosnt even have to be a minmatar iteron, take a look at this Wreathe
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.10.21 02:41:00 - [166] Originally by: Orange Lagomorph I mean, just look at this garbage: Basically a Minmatar Iteron Are you **ing kidding me? That thing is a piece of **. When you see entries that got passed over in favor of THAT garbage, you KNOW there's something seriously wrong here. The hilarious thing is that even the artist who made it thinks it was a WTF choice and not even the best of his own entries. -----------
Guindel Angeline	Posted - 2010.10.21 02:49:00 - [167] /SIGNED
Fleet WarpSujarento	Posted - 2010.10.21 03:01:00 - [168] /signed
Juziri	Posted - 2010.10.21 03:04:00 - [169] /signed
Pheonix Dragoon	Posted - 2010.10.21 03:28:00 - [170] /signed

MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.10.21 03:39:00 - [171] Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/10/2010 03:46:17 Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/10/2010 03:44:58 I think the eve artists can pick for themselves. the fact that the torando is basically considered the 16th best, and only got in because of a technicality on the other one having a sig is horrible. Originally by: joomla alacard seems like kind of a loose argument to rule out entries for "shading". - they want uncolored, line drawings - they want all detail to be included ...so, are they claiming that shading counts as color? ...and how are they claiming as aspect of a schematic is "shading" and not "detail" when the views ARE ORTHOGONAL?! to be fair, if you worked in the games industry and they asked you for a model sheet, and you gave them 3d renders, you'd be fired on the spot. Sorry. I think that was kinda the point to make something to MODEL off of, not to model something. look at mine http://jarond.deviantart.com/art/RepublicFleetShamrock-182364748 (edit I could of made this a lot easier if I modeled it frist, and just did it that way, but I wanted to challenge myself, it's not easy to get a good model sheet that you can actually model off of, also I didn't think I would win anyways, but I still got ****ed to see some entry look worse than mine >.<) you can do it, it's harder but it's wroth it because it makes it a lot easier to edit and to model off of. Not to mention if you've already modeled it... then whats the point of a model sheet? now for a contest I understand that it shouldn't be counter and in my OPINION "shaded" views should of been accepted, and the contest should of been based just on design. But I understand why they went the rout they did. It's a more real life assignment type contest, and gives the art team something they would want to start with.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.10.21 03:46:00 - [172] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Orange Lagomorph I mean, just look at this garbage: Basically a Minmatar Iteron Are you **ing kidding me? That thing is a piece of **. When you see entries that got passed over in favor of THAT garbage, you KNOW there's something seriously wrong here. The hilarious thing is that even the artist who made it thinks it was a WTF choice and not even the best of his own entries. hahaha that's awesome. Even the artist that won are like "wtf?"
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2010.10.21 03:52:00 - [173] Would love to see the email that CCP sent to dA shortly after this shiite-storm hit. Must have been a doozy. Taxman IX: Risky Venture
joomla alacard	Posted - 2010.10.21 04:12:00 - [174] Edited by: joomla alacard on 21/10/2010 04:14:24 Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/10/2010 03:46:17 Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/10/2010 03:44:58 ... Originally by: joomla alacard seems like kind of a loose argument to rule out entries for "shading". ...blah, blah, blah to be fair, if you worked in the games industry and they asked you for a model sheet, and you gave them 3d renders, you'd be fired on the spot. Sorry. I think that was kinda the point to make something to MODEL off of, not to model something. look at mine http://jarond.deviantart.com/art/RepublicFleetShamrock-182364748 (edit I could of made this a lot easier if I modeled it frist, and just did it that way, but I wanted to challenge myself, it's not easy to get a good model sheet that you can actually model off of, also I didn't think I would win anyways, but I still got ****ed to see some entry look worse than mine >.<) you can do it, it's harder but it's wroth it because it makes it a lot easier to edit and to model off of. Not to mention if you've already modeled it... then whats the point of a model sheet? now for a contest I understand that it shouldn't be counter and in my OPINION "shaded" views should of been accepted, and the contest should of been based just on design. But I understand why they went the rout they did. It's a more real life assignment type contest, and gives the art team something they would want to start with. my point was that they wanted 6 orthogonal, uncolored, line drawn views, and while it wasn't perfect, that's what I tried to do. I can only assume I was DQ'd because I received no notification whatsoever. Maybe lack of communication is their MO, idk. I'd hardly say that a slight shading (not talking over-the-top) would interfere with modeling from 6 guide images. If they wanted the submissions to follow an arbitrary guideline, they needed to have specified that guideline; a la requirements document. :P
LuciusAlbion	Posted - 2010.10.21 04:14:00 - [175] /signed I feel like the dA judges just randomly picked them...The actual artists on there would have been better judges I've heard that nearly all of the entries were "disqualified"
Zsebes Rozi	Posted - 2010.10.21 04:37:00 - [176] Edited by: Zsebes Rozi on 21/10/2010 04:39:16 /signed (t0mPi)
Grideris Gallente Fleet Coordination Commission	Posted - 2010.10.21 04:52:00 - [177] Signed.
Napoleon Baleine	Posted - 2010.10.21 04:54:00 - [178] Signed.
Napoleon Baleine	Posted - 2010.10.21 04:56:00 - [179] Signed.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.10.21 05:05:00 - [180] Originally by: joomla alacard Edited by: joomla alacard on 21/10/2010 04:14:24 Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/10/2010 03:46:17 Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/10/2010 03:44:58 ... Originally by: joomla alacard seems like kind of a loose argument to rule out entries for "shading". ...blah, blah, blah to be fair, if you worked in the games industry and they asked you for a model sheet, and you gave them 3d renders, you'd be fired on the spot. Sorry. I think that was kinda the point to make something to MODEL off of, not to model something. look at mine http://jarond.deviantart.com/art/RepublicFleetShamrock-182364748 (edit I could of made this a lot easier if I modeled it frist, and just did it that way, but I wanted to challenge myself, it's not easy to get a good model sheet that you can actually model off of, also I didn't think I would win anyways, but I still got ****ed to see some entry look worse than mine >.<) you can do it, it's harder but it's wroth it because it makes it a lot easier to edit and to model off of. Not to mention if you've already modeled it... then whats the point of a model sheet? now for a contest I understand that it shouldn't be counter and in my OPINION "shaded" views should of been accepted, and the contest should of been based just on design. But I understand why they went the rout they did. It's a more real life assignment type contest, and gives the art team something they would want to start with. my point was that they wanted 6 orthogonal, uncolored, line drawn views, and while it wasn't perfect, that's what I tried to do. I can only assume I was DQ'd because I received no notification whatsoever. Maybe lack of communication is their MO, idk. I'd hardly say that a slight shading (not talking over-the-top) would interfere with modeling from 6 guide images. If they wanted the submissions to follow an arbitrary guideline, they needed to have specified that guideline; a la requirements document. :P what, oh sorry I didn't look at yours just commented in general. Yeah, no, yours is fine. In fact nothing is wrong with it as far meeting the rules. "Shading" is ok look at mine I've got it in small dark areas to show depth. One of the areas they judged was presentation (they worded it oddly but it was there). your line work is unprofessional in presentation. Not because you didn't do the work! by god no, all of your shapes seems to have been mesured out very well! much better than 5 or 6 of the semi finalist to be honest. here I did some clean up work for you :)Hopefully this helps? http://jarond.deviantart.com/art/Clean-up-work-183382631

Xyla Kador	Posted - 2010.10.21 05:09:00 - [181] some of those were awesome but ya other half were def not made for EVE /signed -------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.10.21 05:21:00 - [182] /Facepalm! I disapear for 5 hours and this happens! /Signed! -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Makko Gray Nexus Aerospace Corporation The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.10.21 05:29:00 - [183] Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: Femaref Signed. http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/283/d/b/eve_online__tornado_by_dreamwa1ker-d30g6np.jpg this should've been in there. IMHO, that should be the winner, it's so full of awesome, but it should have made the final 15 easily. Just looks like a minmatar myrmidon to me, I think there are better entries than this but it seems to have now been added to the shortlist in place of the LA battlecruiser and I can't deny it is more worthy than that. To be honest I'd think it'd be very difficult to introduce some of these empire faction ships to the roles the artist had designed them for without making them an tournament prize or something similar as it'd mean adding in a whole tier or ship class somewhere then coming up with designs for the other three races. I'd much rather see something more original that could be a pirate faction or even a canidate for something like a sisters of eve exploration ship hint hint. The amount of designs for minmatar, gallente or whatever battleships was a bit disappointing and a lot like that tornado just seem like a rehash of other ship shapes with a generic faction skin on it - not that there aren't some empire faction designs that show thought and originality, but the tornado wasn't one of them.
Tosspot Shirtlifter	Posted - 2010.10.21 05:41:00 - [184] /Signed.
Komen Gallente Flying Target LLC	Posted - 2010.10.21 06:00:00 - [185] Originally by: Zions Child Public Apology I see no apology, I see a self-justifying speech about differing values, no referent being made to clearly inferior entries, artisticly speaking, beating out better ones. **** her until she bleeds, honestly.
Neko Tora	Posted - 2010.10.21 06:15:00 - [186] Quote: Since this journal was posted, it's evident that the EVE community is sincerely passionate about their world and deviantART's position on the semi-finalists and I completely appreciate this. To that end, it is important to note that deviantART is involved in this contest to provide artist participants who individually bring to their respective works different levels of understanding towards the task. Dedicated players of EVE who have a deep, intimate relationship to the game will likely use a different lens in viewing what the artists have produced than would the skilled artists we used to judge the contest semi-finalists. When you blend two worlds, that of the arts and that of EVE, you cannot expect the result to look only as EVE would have it be. dA welcomed the EVE community into deviantART. It would be nice to see that welcome reciprocated with some level of understanding and some level of respect if not for the company called deviantART then for the community of deviantART and its artist members. Quote: When you blend two worlds, that of the arts and that of EVE, you cannot expect the result to look only as EVE would have it be. I call shananigans. Contest was for EVE. Not for deviantART. We should be able to expect ships that fit into EVE, not that they were somehow "pretty".(where quite a few Entries arent even that.)
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.10.21 06:18:00 - [187] Originally by: Neko Tora Quote: Since this journal was posted, it's evident that the EVE community is sincerely passionate about their world and deviantART's position on the semi-finalists and I completely appreciate this. To that end, it is important to note that deviantART is involved in this contest to provide artist participants who individually bring to their respective works different levels of understanding towards the task. Dedicated players of EVE who have a deep, intimate relationship to the game will likely use a different lens in viewing what the artists have produced than would the skilled artists we used to judge the contest semi-finalists. When you blend two worlds, that of the arts and that of EVE, you cannot expect the result to look only as EVE would have it be. dA welcomed the EVE community into deviantART. It would be nice to see that welcome reciprocated with some level of understanding and some level of respect if not for the company called deviantART then for the community of deviantART and its artist members. Quote: When you blend two worlds, that of the arts and that of EVE, you cannot expect the result to look only as EVE would have it be. I call shananigans. Contest was for EVE. Not for deviantART. We should be able to expect ships that fit into EVE, not that they were somehow "pretty".(where quite a few Entries arent even that.) the fact that the LA battleship got in is proof enough.
Krell Kroenen	Posted - 2010.10.21 06:20:00 - [188] /signed
Desviado	Posted - 2010.10.21 06:23:00 - [189] /Signed
Lampblack	Posted - 2010.10.21 06:46:00 - [190] /signed

Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2010.10.21 06:46:00 - [191] /Signed I accept that Deviantart should be free to choose the semifinalists and the winners of the contest in any way they choose. However, I think it should ultimately be CCP's decision on which design from the whole contest makes it into the game. Deviantart has the right to judge the best ship design in their eyes, but it's obvious that they are totally unqualified to judge which design is best for Eve. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
I Legionnaire	Posted - 2010.10.21 07:12:00 - [192] /Signed PS: And for ****'s sake don't chooe a design and make it an alliance tourney prize, you might as well have not even bothered at that point.
Myronik	Posted - 2010.10.21 07:17:00 - [193] /signed
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.10.21 07:22:00 - [194] /SIGNED
Omal Oma Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.10.21 07:23:00 - [195] /Signed! ________________________________________________ <--- My in-game me.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.10.21 07:39:00 - [196] signed Do not click this ad.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.10.21 07:59:00 - [197] Originally by: Komen Originally by: Zions Child Public Apology I see no apology, I see a self-justifying speech about differing values, no referent being made to clearly inferior entries, artisticly speaking, beating out better ones. **** her until she bleeds, honestly. I see no apology either, just some "oops, we messed up, giggle".
Canteen Charlie	Posted - 2010.10.21 08:40:00 - [198] /signed. i didnt submit for the contest but ive run a design agency for 15 years and those were most certainly not the top 15 of the group and i thought far too many didn't even feel like they'd fit into eve under the race class of ships.
Abhaya meshdatar Minmatar Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.10.21 08:41:00 - [199] (also posted in the assembly hall) Personally i have to agree. CCP should redo the judging themselves. just the inclusion of the LA Battlecrapper makes me think there has to be FAR better ones out there that have been looked over and would fit into our universe or even be seriously better in an artist/art critics point of view. Them putting the Tornado (even though i think its a sexy ship)in place of the La battlecruiser, while admirable.. just doesn't cut it. Deviantart dropped the ball on this one and while their efforts were... admirable... its time to pass the judging back into the hands of CCP. (although we all know this isn't going to happen.) ----
SerratedX	Posted - 2010.10.21 08:45:00 - [200] /signed Originally by: Moonbeam dA welcomed the EVE community into deviantART. It would be nice to see that welcome reciprocated with some level of understanding and some level of respect if not for the company called deviantART then for the community of deviantART and its artist members. HAHAHAHAHA

N Ano Caldari Solar Transport	Posted - 2010.10.21 08:47:00 - [201] Man I havent exactly been paying attention to this contest. Then I came here... The only thing I have to say is that DA are idiots for choosing the wrong ships!! WHY?! Didnt this go forward?! BOOTIFUL! ECM, Eves little genital warts.
Reed Tiburon Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2010.10.21 08:47:00 - [202] Signed.
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.21 08:50:00 - [203] Christ on a bike, this really is a farce. When was the last time anyone remembers getting GOOD news about something EVE-related? You know, when you read about an upcoming change or addition and think, "That's gonna be awesome!" In my recent memory, only Align To Bookmark has been a pleasing change. And that came with a patchscade full of highly annoying bugs.
Androvax	Posted - 2010.10.21 08:55:00 - [204] This is the first I've actually heard of it, but after checking out all the entries, then the 15 that got picked, I'll have to sign also. Most of the 15 picked are utterly awful and would look entirely out of place in the game, although 2 or 3 they picked are pretty good. /signed.
primordial ghost	Posted - 2010.10.21 09:20:00 - [205] /signed
Alvar Kesh Gallente Ealurian Shipyards	Posted - 2010.10.21 09:22:00 - [206] signed.
Aina O'Sinnor	Posted - 2010.10.21 09:29:00 - [207] /signed
Qrelk	Posted - 2010.10.21 09:34:00 - [208] /signed
Piston Prius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.10.21 09:35:00 - [209] SIGNED!

CCP Spitfire	Posted - 2010.10.21 09:46:00 - [210] Please keep all the discussion on this subject in this thread. Locking this one now. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online




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