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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.21 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling deliberately ugly asymmetrical is definitely unique but I don't think EVE needs that to set it apart. It's the game mechanics that make the game, not the ugly spaceships.
Game mechanics is not a graphical design element. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.21 12:44:00 -
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Id see a doctor if your ballsack looks like a domi
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Oni Triad
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Posted - 2010.11.21 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Budrick3 please stand behind me and plea with CCP to redesign the majority of their ships
No. GB2WOW <other random eve themed insults>
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2010.11.21 13:45:00 -
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Nah it's fun to blow someone up using a ship that looks like a steampunk fleshlight, or half a horse nailed to a garden shed. Adds to the humiliation! --
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Jeffrey DeVIlle
Amarr Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.11.21 13:45:00 -
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I cannot stress how strongly I disagree with the OP
**** looking ships are absolutely essential for a number of reasons; ~ they define the caldari's personality; if they had good looking ships, and their back story emphasised their efficient and pragmatic nature, you'd just have a massive contradiction on your hands that'd leave the race's of eve looking, while aesthetically different, pretty similar in outlook, ie attractiveness over practicality
~ **** ships add variety; if everything looked good, nothing would stand out, trite as it may sound a back catalogue of ships that look terrible serves to ensure that a player both understands the variety of ships in new eden, and values the good ones for looks
~ I don't want to play in a universe where everything is good to look at, it's unrealistic and a bit silly.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.21 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 21/11/2010 13:54:42
Originally by: Jeffrey DeVIlle ~ **** ships add variety; if everything looked good, nothing would stand out
It's true, Klingon ships look the same as Romulan ships which are indistinguishable from Star Wars Star Destroyers which very closely resemble Stargate Wraith ships!
Good looking <> Same looking <> no standing out
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Budrick3
Devious Decorum
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Posted - 2010.11.21 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: ****InOnYoU Stop whining, troll.
If you choose ships in EVE that look good, over functionality, you're a bad at spaceships, mkay?
Also, if you think CCP's artists are so terribad... go apply for a job so we can laugh at yours when you release your first turd in the game.
Why cant the ships look good and have functionality? Look at the mother turd, it has no functionality, and it looks bad. CCP only had to give it one or the other, and they failed to supply both.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.21 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Budrick3 Edited by: Budrick3 on 21/11/2010 03:45:39 Edited by: Budrick3 on 21/11/2010 03:29:38 It boggles my mind that with the immense popularity of Eve that CCP can not hire some good concept artists and 3d engineers to make a decent looking ships within the Eve Universe! I mean holy crap! 3/4 of the ships in Eve look like they spent 30 minutes designing them, and another 30 skinning them.
I recently had hope for CCP when they released the t3 ships. I mean those are some cool looking ships, but all that got flushed down the toilet with there latest sansha mother turd. It looks like someone literally took a dump, and butt hole hairs came off in the process of squeezing one out.
Example : Sansha Mother Turd (Check out all the disappointment in the comments. Who wants to spend 20 bil on a giant piece of crap)
CCP, if you want to get gamers excited again about the game, redesign most of your ships! Did you see how excited your community got when you re-designed the Scorpion? Imagine your sales if you re-ignited that excitement of wanting to fly a particular ship? There are 15 Year old kids on deviant art with better concept art than your entire team. Get your crap straight.
Also who the hell designed the dominix. First it looks like a flying ball sack in space. Sure, fine, I can look past that, but where is the drone bay on the model itself? Its a DRONE ship with no bay. Drones just magically fly out of it. But here you have the megathron, a blaster boat, with a drone bay on the model itself. Who thinks of this junk? And dont get me started on how crappy the tempest looks, or the majority of minmatar ships. (Typhoon looks like a giant flesh light)
So for those of you that have read thus far, please stand behind me and plea with CCP to redesign the majority of their ships. We need more ships that look like the Megathron, Macherial, Nyx, and etc, and less like the flesh light, ball sack, and this latest sansha mother turd. Perhaps CSM material? Maybe someone start an online petition
****ing pathetic. Stop acting like a child, you are embarrassing yourself. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.21 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 21/11/2010 15:14:17
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs ****ing pathetic. Stop acting like a child, you are embarrassing yourself.
Stop acting like some pathetic patronizing moron who thinks his opinion and priorities are the absolute truth?
If you were really Jesus you would have something better to do than trolling on forums ..
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.11.21 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 21/11/2010 15:32:54
Originally by: Khalia Nestune Agree 100% with OP.
Anyone saying that the Nyx looks like an oversized crapper - or any other gallente ships for that sake - certainly must be drugged on a dozen huge drug coctails at least!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
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Zverofaust
Gallente Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.21 15:53:00 -
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Every time someone whines about something completely inconsequential and moronic it desensitizes CCP to legitimate criticisms and complaints. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.11.21 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust Every time someone whines about something completely inconsequential and moronic it desensitizes CCP to legitimate criticisms and complaints.
Good. Maybe one day we can reach a point where CCP can stop reacting to criticism and complaints by feel or lack of it and instead engage it's brain to evaluate all points of view rationally and make up an informed decision of their own based on all the things presented to them.
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Sumelar
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Posted - 2010.11.21 16:15:00 -
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Just because you personally don't like them doesn't mean they're bad.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.11.21 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sumelar Just because you personally don't like them doesn't mean they're bad.
Ofcource, the caldariships lacks style, warmth and positive finish, but thats whats caldari to you. What they truly need is a skilled arcitect and an interior designer.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Newsflash
Gallente NorthUnited
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Posted - 2010.11.21 16:27:00 -
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i just took good dump today. it looked just like new sansha supercarrier..
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Cunane
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.21 16:39:00 -
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Eve has some amazing looking ship hulls, and some terrible ones, the great ones
The only ones that stand out as terrible for me would be
Gallente: Cat,Vexor, Thorax, Imicus, Dominix Caldari: Moa, Blackbird, Griffin Amarr: Maller, Avatar, Revalation (its way to thin) Minmatar: Well its meant to look like crap.
Just a little touch up like on the scorp across the line would be fantastic though
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Jhoria Englside
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Posted - 2010.11.21 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Fulbert Wait, EVE has graphics?
hello fellow thin client user!
Originally by: CCP Zym
Look at the thread, now look down, now look at the thread again. That's right it's now locked for spam. Now look at your spaceship, now back at me, that's right I'm on a Phobos |
BuBu Chan
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Posted - 2010.11.21 17:30:00 -
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i agree that thing looks like my dog's poop.
pls consider a change.
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Demoncard
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Posted - 2010.11.21 18:18:00 -
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It looks like a burnt eggplant.
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Antithetos
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Posted - 2010.11.21 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: ****InOnYoU Stop whining, troll.
If you choose ships in EVE that look good, over functionality, you're a bad at spaceships, mkay?
You fail at perception. OP (or anyone on this thread) never stated that looks are more important than functionality mkay? You can fly your ugly Minnie ships and wish they looked better at the same time. Its not impossible. And since this is a video game, design has nothing to do with functionality anyway. You could turn a brick into a ceptor if you wanted to.
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Nimbat
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Posted - 2010.11.21 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cunane
The only ones that stand out as terrible for me would be
Gallente: Cat,Vexor, Thorax, Imicus, Dominix
The Vexor is not ugly by any means! Shame on you!
It's a pretty good T1 Cruiser and it looks completely fine.
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Antithetos
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Posted - 2010.11.21 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jeffrey DeVIlle **** looking ships are absolutely essential for a number of reasons; ~ they define the caldari's personality; if they had good looking ships, and their back story emphasised their efficient and pragmatic nature, you'd just have a massive contradiction on your hands
While i absolutely agree with your statement, we use a different definition of "bad looking ships". A ship can be designed NOT to be attractive while its still, well-designed. For example, the Tengu, in my opinion, is one of the best designed ships in EVE. I know it looks "unattractive", compared to... Absolution, but it fits its role perfectly. The Minmatar ships can also look rusty and have this "mad-max" aesthetic, while still be well-designed. Again, the Loki and the Hurricane are perfect examples. Now the Rokh or the Tempest, while they fit their role, are not exactly the epitome of good design.
Originally by: Jeffrey DeVIlle ~ **** ships add variety; if everything looked good, nothing would stand out, trite as it may sound a back catalogue of ships that look terrible serves to ensure that a player both understands the variety of ships in new eden, and values the good ones for looks
This cannot apply to the EVE community. Nothing needs to "stand out" with design because almost every ship has a value even for a old player. 4-5 year old players, still use Stiletto. Ships can "stand out" with size and "power" to someone, but try hitting a Stiletto on an Abaddon. In EVE anything can "stand out" with its functionality to each scenario. They can keep their character, and look good at the same time. EVE is not an mmo where you have to entice kids with more shinny swords in order to keep them getting those levels.
TL;DR, i agree with you and the notion that not everything can look like the white knight or the epitome of cool in space, but everything can be well designed.
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Magniacapra
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Posted - 2010.11.21 20:39:00 -
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Yeah, the new sansha textures are a step in the wrong direction imo. Instead of differenciating them, they took the dull brown/oily route. We have gurista's, gallente navy (which should imo be chanced to black and white dazzle camo) and minmatar t1 and t2.
With a little chrome and shiny, with an altogether more reflective, yet darker hull like previous sansha ships, I bet less would have been complaining about the Reverant and co.
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Antithetos
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Posted - 2010.11.21 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust Every time someone whines about something completely inconsequential and moronic it desensitizes CCP to legitimate criticisms and complaints.
OP is whining about the graphical aspect of EVE.
By defining the graphical aspect of EVE as inconsequential and moronic, not according to your own personal relation with the game, but as a generic fact, you automatically state that the art direction of CCP is not only inconsequential, but also detrimental to the game. Do you realize how moronic that sounds?
A big part of CCP's customers enjoy the atmosphere of EVE. Its what they found attractive and led them to subscribe in the first place. EVE is not a board game, and despite the fact that most of us zoom out and lower the graphics as possible for large scale PVP, those fights alone don't make the game. Many of us have decent PC's capable of running EVE on max settings for anything but large scale PVP, and EVE's atmosphere, is nothing but inconsequential.
Who are you to decide what is and what is not legitimate criticism towards CCP's game anyway? Maybe someone wants to spin an extremely well designed ship in a station in Jita for the rest of his life on EVE, he pays the same fee as you, and he has the right to make his desire public.
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Zantris
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Posted - 2010.11.22 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Zantris on 22/11/2010 01:51:26
Originally by: Suboran t3 snd ships since suck, even the new scorpion I think, why did it have to become symetrical when caldari ships are all odd?
Because it looks a million times better. I wish they'd find where they left the 2nd wing of the Raven model, would make it look so much better. Seriously though, most asymmetrical designs look terrible. I don't care if its a functionality based society... people naturally design things to be symmetrical.
Eve's design team has improved on ship design dramatically as of late thankfully. I'm not a huge fan of the Sansha ship, but its definitely not as bad as a lot of the earlier ship designs.
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Niklas
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Posted - 2010.11.22 03:02:00 -
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Ships that need to be completely reimaged like the scorp was(or abandoned outright and rethought):
Amarr- Crucifier Tormentor Slicer <-- Lazy Aeon
Caldari Bantam Griffin Moa Blackbird
Gallente Imicus Catalyst Exequror Celestis
Minmatar Burst Probe
Ships that could do with some tweaks:
Amarr Augorer <-- Engines are just horrid, rest is decent. Apocalypse < Fill in the gaps a bit. Better engine placement.
Gallente Atron Navitas Thorax < Lose the sack. Maybe a bit more symmetry.
Caldari Raven Caracal < Body a bit less squarish maybe? Osprey
Minmatar Most of the original designs could use some beefing up. The shapes are mostly fine, its just.. Girders? Really?
Ships that are perfect and should never be touched.
Armageddon Incursus Punisher Merlin Bellicose Maelstrom Avatar Hel Nid
Meshes wasted in their current role:
Minmatar shuttle Almost all of the fighters/FBs.. These are all seriously awesome and should be frig meshes instead of X's that you almost never see.
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Aeo IV
Amarr Oneironautics Research Institute
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Posted - 2010.11.22 03:41:00 -
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The problem with the Sansha Supercarrier isn't so much it's looks per ce, but rather the fact that it's not terribly Sansha's nationish.
Sansha's Nations ships have always had three main (imo) design factors: 1) The ellipsoids- Every Sansha's ship to date, has been made of one or more ellipsoids, more or less. 2) The spindles- every sansha's nation ship has had a very 'spindly' character- the fronts have a row of spikes, the backs have engines sticking out on shot poles or such. 3) black with orange windows.
The supercarrier has none of these- I realize CCP's desire to pimp the textures of the sansha's ships, but I wish they weren't trying to change the skins.
But the supercarrier... it's just this bloby thing- no spindles, no ellipsoids, nothing truly Sanshaish. I don't really care that it looks like poo, but it strikes me as more of a gallente ship than a sansha one.
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Ivan Tesla
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.22 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Fulbert Wait, EVE has graphics?
uhehehhemeheh thanks for the laugh! --------------------------------------------- Francis Wolcott: "I am a sinner that does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official."
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.22 04:24:00 -
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I agree 99% with the OP. I think the ugly/good looking ratio is more like 19/20. I think I can count all the good looking ships on one hand.
Frankly the one biggest annoyance I have is the A-symmetry. Some A-symmetry is ok...but there is a limit. The next big annoyance is the large number of ships that are just gigantic in the front and then slim down to this tiny ass back end with a couple of thrusters on it.
But seriously...the Scorpion redesign was done for a reason. I am positive they fully intend to redo most if not all of the ships. I just hope that this time they dont **** it up.
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Ivan Tesla
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.22 04:30:00 -
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Agree with OP... I would probably say CCP knows they need to upgrade MOST of their ships (or completely overhaul I hope) and will do this eventually, but after seeing the Sansha Mother Turd - I really don't know what to think How do you go from an absolutely awesome Scorpion redesign to an utter turd? While hilarious it is a disturbing choice Was it made to a brief but had no set extra time for possible redesign/polish? .. anyway, lots of new MMOs coming out sooner or later - who knows there may not be an EVE killer in there but that may not stop people from trying something else to get away from turds.
I only came back because of the CCP/Deviantart starship contest, the promise of station ambulation (or whatever its called now) & hot looking new ship models... hot like Scorpion - not like huge Sansha turd. Try to remember that CCP
--------------------------------------------- Francis Wolcott: "I am a sinner that does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official."
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