Originally by: Budrick3

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There are 15 Year old kids on deviant art with better concept art that your entire team. Get your crap straight.

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Originally by: anonymous

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WE JUST DID SCIENCE!

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Originally by: Budrick3

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So for those of you that have read thus far, please stand behind me and plea with CCP to redesign the majority of their ships. We need more ships that look like the Megathron, Macherial, Nyx, and etc, and less like the flesh light, ball sack, and this latest sansha mother turd. Perhaps CSM material? Maybe someone start an online petition

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Originally by: Tres Farmer

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Cool, now HTFU and wait *snip*

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Originally by: Budrick3

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Also who the hell designed the dominix. First it looks like a flying ball sack in space.

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Originally by: Budrick3

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And dont get me started on how crappy the tempest looks, or the majority of minmatar ships. (Typhoon looks like a giant flesh light)

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Originally by: Tres Farmer

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So, now consider that the very same artists are now creating art assets for WoD AND Dust and that there simply is no manpower left to revisit all those classic ships at the moment.
Got it?

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Originally by: Antithetos

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Originally by: Tres Farmer

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So, now consider that the very same artists are now creating art assets for WoD AND Dust and that there simply is no manpower left to revisit all those classic ships at the moment.
Got it?

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Sure is hardcore speculation in here. Also, since you're not authorized by CCP to officially address OP's issue, your reply was completely irrelevant.

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Originally by: Antithetos

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OP asks for an upgrade of some graphic elements of the game he is currently paying for. Not DUST, not WoD, but EVE.

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Originally by: Antithetos

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Why would he, or any other EVE player care about what exactly CCP's designers are working on, outside of EVE?

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Originally by: Antithetos

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An adaptation for Trinity 3 years ago is not enough in my opinion, especially when you have an engine capable of the current strategic cruisers. Ships are the core of EVE, and as their customer, i would gladly take redesigned ships over walking on stations.

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Originally by: Gravemind GER

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you know what i hate? the AEON and the Phoenix

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Originally by: Tres Farmer

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So, now consider that the very same artists are now creating art assets for WoD AND Dust and that there simply is no manpower left to revisit all those classic ships at the moment.

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Originally by: ****InOnYoU

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If you choose ships in EVE that look good, over functionality, you're a bad at spaceships, mkay?

Also, if you think CCP's artists are so terribad... go apply for a job so we can laugh at yours when you release your first turd in the game.

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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

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I have facial hair how can I help?

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Originally by: Budrick3

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I recently had hope for CCP when they released the t3 ships. I mean those are some cool looking ships,

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(Check out all the disappointment in the comments. Who wants to spend 20 bil on a giant piece of crap)

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There are 15 Year old kids on deviant art with better concept art than your entire team.

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Also who the hell designed the dominix. First it looks like a flying ball sack in space. Sure, fine, I can look past that, but where is the drone bay on the model itself? Its a DRONE ship with no bay.

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So for those of you that have read thus far, please stand behind me and plea with CCP to redesign the majority of their ships.

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Originally by: Tippia

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The unique design of the EVE spaceships is what gives the game character and sets apart from the boring cookie-cutter "fighterjet in space" design you see everywhere else. Keep them the way they are (except maybe the Imicus hull).

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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deliberately ugly asymmetrical is definitely unique but I don't think EVE needs that to set it apart. It's the game mechanics that make the game, not the ugly spaceships.

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Originally by: Budrick3

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please stand behind me and plea with CCP to redesign the majority of their ships

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Originally by: Jeffrey DeVIlle

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~ **** ships add variety; if everything looked good, nothing would stand out

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Originally by: ****InOnYoU

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Stop whining, troll.

If you choose ships in EVE that look good, over functionality, you're a bad at spaceships, mkay?

Also, if you think CCP's artists are so terribad... go apply for a job so we can laugh at yours when you release your first turd in the game.

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Originally by: Budrick3

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Edited by: Budrick3 on 21/11/2010 03:45:39
Edited by: Budrick3 on 21/11/2010 03:29:38
It boggles my mind that with the immense popularity of Eve that CCP can not hire some good concept artists and 3d engineers to make a decent looking ships within the Eve Universe! I mean holy crap! 3/4 of the ships in Eve look like they spent 30 minutes designing them, and another 30 skinning them.

I recently had hope for CCP when they released the t3 ships. I mean those are some cool looking ships, but all that got flushed down the toilet with there latest sansha mother turd. It looks like someone literally took a dump, and butt hole hairs came off in the process of squeezing one out.

Example : Sansha Mother Turd
(Check out all the disappointment in the comments. Who wants to spend 20 bil on a giant piece of crap)

CCP, if you want to get gamers excited again about the game, redesign most of your ships! Did you see how excited your community got when you re-designed the Scorpion? Imagine your sales if you re-ignited that excitement of wanting to fly a particular ship? There are 15 Year old kids on deviant art with better concept art than your entire team. Get your crap straight.

Also who the hell designed the dominix. First it looks like a flying ball sack in space. Sure, fine, I can look past that, but where is the drone bay on the model itself? Its a DRONE ship with no bay. Drones just magically fly out of it. But here you have the megathron, a blaster boat, with a drone bay on the model itself. Who thinks of this junk? And dont get me started on how crappy the tempest looks, or the majority of minmatar ships. (Typhoon looks like a giant flesh light)

So for those of you that have read thus far, please stand behind me and plea with CCP to redesign the majority of their ships. We need more ships that look like the Megathron, Macherial, Nyx, and etc, and less like the flesh light, ball sack, and this latest sansha mother turd. Perhaps CSM material? Maybe someone start an online petition

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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs

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****ing pathetic. Stop acting like a child, you are embarrassing yourself.

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Originally by: Khalia Nestune

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Agree 100% with OP.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Originally by: Zverofaust

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Every time someone whines about something completely inconsequential and moronic it desensitizes CCP to legitimate criticisms and complaints.

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Originally by: Sumelar

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Just because you personally don't like them doesn't mean they're bad.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Originally by: Fulbert

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Wait, EVE has graphics?

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Originally by: CCP Zym

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Look at the thread, now look down, now look at the thread again. That's right it's now locked for spam. Now look at your spaceship, now back at me, that's right I'm on a Phobos

Originally by: ****InOnYoU

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Stop whining, troll.

If you choose ships in EVE that look good, over functionality, you're a bad at spaceships, mkay?

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Originally by: Cunane

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The only ones that stand out as terrible for me would be

Gallente: Cat,Vexor, Thorax, Imicus, Dominix

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Originally by: Jeffrey DeVIlle

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**** looking ships are absolutely essential for a number of reasons;
~ they define the caldari's personality; if they had good looking ships, and their back story emphasised their efficient and pragmatic nature, you'd just have a massive contradiction on your hands

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Originally by: Jeffrey DeVIlle

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~ **** ships add variety; if everything looked good, nothing would stand out, trite as it may sound a back catalogue of ships that look terrible serves to ensure that a player both understands the variety of ships in new eden, and values the good ones for looks

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Originally by: Zverofaust

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Every time someone whines about something completely inconsequential and moronic it desensitizes CCP to legitimate criticisms and complaints.

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Originally by: Suboran

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t3 snd ships since suck, even the new scorpion I think, why did it have to become symetrical when caldari ships are all odd?

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Originally by: Fulbert

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Wait, EVE has graphics?

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Originally by: utzutz 2

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Who is taking a look at his ships anyway ? The most time it is zoomed out....

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Originally by: utzutz 2

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Who is taking a look at his ships anyway ? The most time it is zoomed out....

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Well do you see your car when you're driving it? Most people still prefer nice looking cars though.

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Originally by: Zagdul

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His comments are inflammatory and emotionally charged, which make them an easy target for argument. However, he's not off the mark. Much of what he says, while filled with bait for trolls as it is stacked full of opinion, doesn't fall short of fact.

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I would really like to see CCP's graphic designers who are paid quite well to develop new and stunning visual content for EVE Online put to the test. This, one new ship design/model every 6-10 months seems lazy.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Zagdul

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His comments are inflammatory and emotionally charged, which make them an easy target for argument. However, he's not off the mark. Much of what he says, while filled with bait for trolls as it is stacked full of opinion, doesn't fall short of fact.

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No. None of it has anything to do with facts ù it's all just opinion (mixed with ignorance and plain untruth). He trollishly presents is as fact, though, which mean he has pretty much earned every kind of insult thrown in his direction.

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I would really like to see CCP's graphic designers who are paid quite well to develop new and stunning visual content for EVE Online put to the test. This, one new ship design/model every 6-10 months seems lazy.

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Quite possibly because there is so little room for new ships and so much room (and so much planned) for other graphical additions, that it's about, or even slightly above, the pace you'd expect.

Btw, EVE needs more asymmetrical ships ù the farther away from the cookie-cutter Buck Rogers sillyness and the more the designs show that they exist in space, the better.

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Originally by: Zagdul

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This is what is frustrating to the OP and myself included... If I could dare speak for him, I'd imagine this is where his frustration stems from when he sees people designing the amazing ships we saw in the design a ship contest. I would not be surprised if at least 1 of them were under the age of 20.

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With the CCP designers being paid a wage to develop a game we pay for, I'd expect more than a Scorpion 6 months ago then a new Noctis this release, a (in my opinion) poorly designed new mothership.

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With EVE being in development for going on 10 years now, I find it rather disheartening that the current designs of the ships we fly all have remained, for the most part, unchanged short of texture updates.

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Originally by: Zagdul

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In my opinion, I think CCP has been quite lazy with their creative graphic development of EVE which has lead to some frustration amongst the players. If you've ever gone (I'm almost certain you have) to their video section, you'll see videos of the CCP artists having wonderful working conditions and being introduced all throughout.

This is what is frustrating to the OP and myself included... If I could dare speak for him, I'd imagine this is where his frustration stems from when he sees people designing the amazing ships we saw in the design a ship contest. I would not be surprised if at least 1 of them were under the age of 20. With the CCP designers being paid a wage to develop a game we pay for, I'd expect more than a Scorpion 6 months ago then a new Noctis this release, a (in my opinion) poorly designed new mothership.

And where I feel he begins to touch on some fact is that in my experience, the artists I've met in my life are passionate about what they create. They live to make more and expand on ideas. They're never satisfied with the original incarnations of what they put on paper the first time. The best example I can give is how cars are always evolving. With EVE being in development for going on 10 years now, I find it rather disheartening that the current designs of the ships we fly all have remained, for the most part, unchanged short of texture updates.

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Originally by: utzutz 2

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Who is taking a look at his ships anyway ? The most time it is zoomed out....

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Originally by: Tippia

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Those ships ù especially the top 3 ones ù were also universally dull, derivative and boring. The kindest thing I can say about them is that they were "safe"à and thus don't fit into the rather bold design style of the rest of EVE.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Like I said: this is quite possibly because there is so little room for new ships and so much room (and so much planned) for other graphical additions, that it's about, or even slightly above, the pace you'd expect.

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Originally by: Tippia

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You mean except for that huge update to them three years ago, the tweaks several of them have had since, the hints that they will all be migrated over to a new texturing and shading systemà? And (again) aside from the fact that the artists have far better things to do than remake old content ù you know, such as adding new content.

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Originally by: Tres Farmer

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Originally by: Zagdul

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In my opinion, I think CCP has been quite lazy with their creative graphic development of EVE which has lead to some frustration amongst the players. If you've ever gone (I'm almost certain you have) to their video section, you'll see videos of the CCP artists having wonderful working conditions and being introduced all throughout.

This is what is frustrating to the OP and myself included... If I could dare speak for him, I'd imagine this is where his frustration stems from when he sees people designing the amazing ships we saw in the design a ship contest. I would not be surprised if at least 1 of them were under the age of 20. With the CCP designers being paid a wage to develop a game we pay for, I'd expect more than a Scorpion 6 months ago then a new Noctis this release, a (in my opinion) poorly designed new mothership.

And where I feel he begins to touch on some fact is that in my experience, the artists I've met in my life are passionate about what they create. They live to make more and expand on ideas. They're never satisfied with the original incarnations of what they put on paper the first time. The best example I can give is how cars are always evolving. With EVE being in development for going on 10 years now, I find it rather disheartening that the current designs of the ships we fly all have remained, for the most part, unchanged short of texture updates.

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The art team is doing it's job.. you can be sure of that, just not in an area where you can see any output yet.
There is Incarna, Dust514 and WoD they're working on.
If anything is to blame, then it's your and the OPs thinking, that paying your subscription fee now entitles you to updated space-ship graphics later on.
That is just not the case.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Those (ship contest) ships ù especially the top 3 ones ù were also universally dull, derivative and boring. The kindest thing I can say about them is that they were "safe"à and thus don't fit into the rather bold design style of the rest of EVE.

Like I said: this is quite possibly because there is so little room for new ships and so much room (and so much planned) for other graphical additions, that it's about, or even slightly above, the pace you'd expect.

You mean except for that huge update to them three years ago, the tweaks several of them have had since, the hints that they will all be migrated over to a new texturing and shading systemà? And (again) aside from the fact that the artists have far better things to do than remake old content ù you know, such as adding new content.

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Originally by: Hra Neuvosto

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//EDIT - did the guy above me call Maller and Vexor asymmetrical?

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Originally by: Tres Farmer

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Originally by: Zagdul

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In my opinion, I think CCP has been quite lazy with their creative graphic development of EVE which has lead to some frustration amongst the players. If you've ever gone (I'm almost certain you have) to their video section, you'll see videos of the CCP artists having wonderful working conditions and being introduced all throughout.

This is what is frustrating to the OP and myself included... If I could dare speak for him, I'd imagine this is where his frustration stems from when he sees people designing the amazing ships we saw in the design a ship contest. I would not be surprised if at least 1 of them were under the age of 20. With the CCP designers being paid a wage to develop a game we pay for, I'd expect more than a Scorpion 6 months ago then a new Noctis this release, a (in my opinion) poorly designed new mothership.

And where I feel he begins to touch on some fact is that in my experience, the artists I've met in my life are passionate about what they create. They live to make more and expand on ideas. They're never satisfied with the original incarnations of what they put on paper the first time. The best example I can give is how cars are always evolving. With EVE being in development for going on 10 years now, I find it rather disheartening that the current designs of the ships we fly all have remained, for the most part, unchanged short of texture updates.

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The art team is doing it's job.. you can be sure of that, just not in an area where you can see any output yet.
There is Incarna, Dust514 and WoD they're working on.
If anything is to blame, then it's your and the OPs thinking, that paying your subscription fee now entitles you to updated space-ship graphics later on.
That is just not the case.

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Originally by: Conrad Makbure

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The Sasha Turd does look like the left over of a large Taco Bell dinner. The designers are either trying too hard or being sloppy on purpose.

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Originally by: Budrick3

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Edited by: Budrick3 on 21/11/2010 03:45:39
Edited by: Budrick3 on 21/11/2010 03:29:38
It boggles my mind that with the immense popularity of Eve that CCP can not hire some good concept artists and 3d engineers to make a decent looking ships within the Eve Universe! I mean holy crap! 3/4 of the ships in Eve look like they spent 30 minutes designing them, and another 30 skinning them.

I recently had hope for CCP when they released the t3 ships. I mean those are some cool looking ships, but all that got flushed down the toilet with there latest sansha mother turd. It looks like someone literally took a dump, and butt hole hairs came off in the process of squeezing one out.

Example : Sansha Mother Turd
(Check out all the disappointment in the comments. Who wants to spend 20 bil on a giant piece of crap)

CCP, if you want to get gamers excited again about the game, redesign most of your ships! Did you see how excited your community got when you re-designed the Scorpion? Imagine your sales if you re-ignited that excitement of wanting to fly a particular ship? There are 15 Year old kids on deviant art with better concept art than your entire team. Get your crap straight.

Also who the hell designed the dominix. First it looks like a flying ball sack in space. Sure, fine, I can look past that, but where is the drone bay on the model itself? Its a DRONE ship with no bay. Drones just magically fly out of it. But here you have the megathron, a blaster boat, with a drone bay on the model itself. Who thinks of this junk? And dont get me started on how crappy the tempest looks, or the majority of minmatar ships. (Typhoon looks like a giant flesh light)

So for those of you that have read thus far, please stand behind me and plea with CCP to redesign the majority of their ships. We need more ships that look like the Megathron, Macherial, Nyx, and etc, and less like the flesh light, ball sack, and this latest sansha mother turd. Perhaps CSM material? Maybe someone start an online petition

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Originally by: Niklas

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Minmatar
Burst
Probe



Minmatar shuttle
Almost all of the fighters/FBs.. These are all seriously awesome and should be frig meshes instead of X's that you almost never see.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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I'm a big, big fan of eye candy... and more is definately better.

However I also try to firmly keep in mind that the CCP graphics team has far larger responsibilities than simply designing/redesigning the ships of EVE. Every POS structure, every peice of wreckage or installation floating in a mission, even every new icon in game requires that team to create it. We are supposed to be getting a heap of new missions in the expansion, and you can be sure that a lot of graphical work ended up going into them.

Now we all know that a complete redo of the ship models in game is coming out incrementally with each patch. I'd suggest just holding on and seeing what will be released this time around. I have a feeling that will be our "Christmas Surprise" this year.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Those ships ù especially the top 3 ones ù were also universally dull, derivative and boring. The kindest thing I can say about them is that they were "safe"à

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Originally by: utzutz 2

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Who is taking a look at his ships anyway ?

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Originally by: MoeJoe Green

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People who get annoyed/upset/worry about the ship designs, should really reconsider why they are playing this game.

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Originally by: MoeJoe Green

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People who are not interested in spaceship designs, should really reconsider why they are playing this game.

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Originally by: I'thari

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]Keep your hands off minmatar ships, they are fine.

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Originally by: MoeJoe Green

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People who get annoyed/upset/worry about the ship designs, should really reconsider why they are playing this game.

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Originally by: Dorian Tormak

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CCP hire different ship designers please, I mean man I've got my own spaceship designed that's able to fly and everything and still looks cooler than moas/bellicoses ect.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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I'm a big, big fan of eye candy... and more is definately better.

Now we all know that a complete redo of the ship models in game is coming out incrementally with each patch. I'd suggest just holding on and seeing what will be released this time around. I have a feeling that will be our "Christmas Surprise" this year.

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However I also try to firmly keep in mind that the CCP graphics team has far larger responsibilities than simply designing/redesigning the ships of EVE. Every POS structure, every peice of wreckage or installation floating in a mission, even every new icon in game requires that team to create it.

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Originally by: Budrick3

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We need more ships that look like the Megathron, Macherial, Nyx, and etc, and less like the flesh light, ball sack, and this latest sansha mother turd.

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Originally by: Wet Ferret

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Originally by: Budrick3

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We need more ships that look like the Megathron, Macherial, Nyx, and etc, and less like the flesh light, ball sack, and this latest sansha mother turd.

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I laughed so hard at this

However I disagree, ships look fine for the most part. Functionality > appearance anyway. That also goes for the game as a whole (I'll take A+ gameplay and B- graphics rather than the opposite).

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Originally by: Wet Ferret

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Functionality > appearance anyway. That also goes for the game as a whole (I'll take A+ gameplay and B- graphics rather than the opposite).

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Originally by: Tarasina

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The thing with Eve is that I don't buy or fly ships I don't like the look of. Every race has 4-5 frigates but I like at the most the looks of 0-2 per race. Other shipclasses have even fewer choices (cruisers/bc/bs) and most of them look like crap.

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Originally by: Tarasina

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I rather take gameplay AND graphics. Like Fallout 3 or New Vegas. Wonderful gameplay, real exploration, beautiful gameworld, lovely armors, guns etc. And on top of it all, great story. Not to speak of all the tons of mods released.

The thing with Eve is that I don't buy or fly ships I don't like the look of. Every race has 4-5 frigates but I like at the most the looks of 0-2 per race. Other shipclasses have even fewer choices (cruisers/bc/bs) and most of them look like crap.

I'm hoping CCP will allow modders to make new models and textures for ships, kept clientside only. I can't see why that would be harmful. How can you cheat? Even if you paint all other ships red and yours blue doesn't mean you autowin in PVP, really doesn't help you "cheat". So why aren't we allowed to do this? Just daft imo. "Because we(CCP) say so" is not a reason. We are not kids that can be bullied around anymore.

Diversity is king. Some want old cyno effect back...you could leave that to modders to make and ppl who liked it can use it. Others just don't bother downloading it. Pick and choose the mods you like. This would also mean less pressure on the art team since modders aleviate them.
What's wrong with this picture? Why can't it be done?

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Originally by: Ivan Tesla

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Edited by: Ivan Tesla on 23/11/2010 12:32:23

Originally by: Tarasina

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I rather take gameplay AND graphics. Like Fallout 3 or New Vegas. Wonderful gameplay, real exploration, beautiful gameworld, lovely armors, guns etc. And on top of it all, great story. Not to speak of all the tons of mods released.

The thing with Eve is that I don't buy or fly ships I don't like the look of. Every race has 4-5 frigates but I like at the most the looks of 0-2 per race. Other shipclasses have even fewer choices (cruisers/bc/bs) and most of them look like crap.

I'm hoping CCP will allow modders to make new models and textures for ships, kept clientside only. I can't see why that would be harmful. How can you cheat? Even if you paint all other ships red and yours blue doesn't mean you autowin in PVP, really doesn't help you "cheat". So why aren't we allowed to do this? Just daft imo. "Because we(CCP) say so" is not a reason. We are not kids that can be bullied around anymore.

Diversity is king. Some want old cyno effect back...you could leave that to modders to make and ppl who liked it can use it. Others just don't bother downloading it. Pick and choose the mods you like. This would also mean less pressure on the art team since modders aleviate them.
What's wrong with this picture? Why can't it be done?

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I understand what your asking but for me personally - I don't think I'd want graphic mods for EVE. It could be that I only like mods for single player games (fallout 3 with mods is a MUST!) .. though in the old days of Counter Strike I did use custom gun skins which were so much more superior model, texture, sound & animation to the defaults.
I think I'd be scared to lose that immersiveness in EVE knowing that my cooling ship looks like a default gallente shoe shape to someone else.... or more fittingly my awesome custom ship mod looks like a Star Trek Federation ship to someone else. Doesn't feel right.

I had mentioned in an older threat about maybe having custom ships uploaded to CCP for review to be placed in the game, probably with another default CCP ships default stats. The uploader of the model, given CCPs approval, can now either use the ship for him/herself, sell the blueprint copies or sell the constructed ships and become super rich ... if the ship is hot enough for people to purchase :) I still like the idea, even though its complicated, but it would solve a lot of issues.

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Originally by: Tarasina

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Edited by: Tarasina on 23/11/2010 12:47:56
Edited by: Tarasina on 23/11/2010 12:47:04
Edited by: Tarasina on 23/11/2010 12:44:37

Originally by: Ivan Tesla

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Edited by: Ivan Tesla on 23/11/2010 12:32:23

Originally by: Tarasina

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I rather take gameplay AND graphics. Like Fallout 3 or New Vegas. Wonderful gameplay, real exploration, beautiful gameworld, lovely armors, guns etc. And on top of it all, great story. Not to speak of all the tons of mods released.

The thing with Eve is that I don't buy or fly ships I don't like the look of. Every race has 4-5 frigates but I like at the most the looks of 0-2 per race. Other shipclasses have even fewer choices (cruisers/bc/bs) and most of them look like crap.

I'm hoping CCP will allow modders to make new models and textures for ships, kept clientside only. I can't see why that would be harmful. How can you cheat? Even if you paint all other ships red and yours blue doesn't mean you autowin in PVP, really doesn't help you "cheat". So why aren't we allowed to do this? Just daft imo. "Because we(CCP) say so" is not a reason. We are not kids that can be bullied around anymore.

Diversity is king. Some want old cyno effect back...you could leave that to modders to make and ppl who liked it can use it. Others just don't bother downloading it. Pick and choose the mods you like. This would also mean less pressure on the art team since modders aleviate them.
What's wrong with this picture? Why can't it be done?

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I understand what your asking but for me personally - I don't think I'd want graphic mods for EVE. It could be that I only like mods for single player games (fallout 3 with mods is a MUST!) .. though in the old days of Counter Strike I did use custom gun skins which were so much more superior model, texture, sound & animation to the defaults.
I think I'd be scared to lose that immersiveness in EVE knowing that my cooling ship looks like a default gallente shoe shape to someone else.... or more fittingly my awesome custom ship mod looks like a Star Trek Federation ship to someone else. Doesn't feel right.

I had mentioned in an older threat about maybe having custom ships uploaded to CCP for review to be placed in the game, probably with another default CCP ships default stats. The uploader of the model, given CCPs approval, can now either use the ship for him/herself, sell the blueprint copies or sell the constructed ships and become super rich ... if the ship is hot enough for people to purchase :) I still like the idea, even though its complicated, but it would solve a lot of issues.

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Why does it bother you what others see your ships as? When you played CS, did you feel that way too? Since everyone can mod CS to look like they want it. Others could run around with a waterpistol instead of the AK for example.

Come to think of it, corporations could have a skinpack with models so all ships look the same to all in the corporation. The corporation could also limit the access to the mods to ONLY corpmembers. So it could be a privilege as well. One downside is the "forcing" the members to use the mods. But realistically, it can never be controlled anyway. The corporations models could work as incentives for people to join up with said corp, that was kinda my idea with this. But can be used for whatever.

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Originally by: Diesel47

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Cool looking ships please.

Fix caldari ships. The MOA needs a redesign, the BLACKBIRD needs a redesign, even the raven looks crap.

Minmitar is supposed to look like garbage, no need to change them.

Gallente can use some help too. Amarr ships are fine however.

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Originally by: Miss Connolly

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I'd be glad if CCP removed all ship models in the game and replaced them with generic square boxes

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Originally by: Miss Connolly

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anyone who doesn't just want to spin their (mother)ship will play on minimal zoom level anyway

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Originally by: Miss Connolly

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I personally don't see the problem with the ship design of the new mothership.

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Originally by: Diesel47

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Cool looking ships please.

Fix caldari ships. The MOA needs a redesign, the BLACKBIRD needs a redesign, even the raven looks crap.

Minmitar is supposed to look like garbage, no need to change them.

Gallente can use some help too. Amarr ships are fine however.

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My suggestions:

Moa: complete redesign needed
Blackbird: could use some polish
Caracal: could look better too
Manticore: Just make it symmetical!!
Omen: remove the growth on the right side
Inquisitor: space maggot, complete redesign needed
Bellicose: complete redesign needed
Probe: make it look like something?
Slasher: can it look less like a very ugly insect?
Maller/Vexor: ugly bulky designs but some people like it
Thorax: make it symmetrical

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Originally by: Soporo

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Moa / Eagle look like crap.

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Originally by: De'Veldrin

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Two of your suggestions amount to "ZOMG my OCD can't handle a space ship that doesn't look the same on both sides." That's a bull**** argument and I'm calling it as such. There's no reason anything not intended for atmospheric entry needs to look the same from any angle.

As for the probe - It does look like something - a small, practical, functional space ship. What the hell else should it look like? A volleyball?

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Originally by: De'Veldrin

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Two of your suggestions amount to "ZOMG my OCD can't handle a space ship that doesn't look the same on both sides." That's a bull**** argument and I'm calling it as such. There's no reason anything not intended for atmospheric entry needs to look the same from any angle.

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1. I've never met a more fecally-obsessed group of people since I was in elementary school


2. If you look at the supercarrier via the in-game preview, it's not that bad looking--someone posted a bad screenshot of it that made it look bad


3. They should probably change the color and then it'd look fine

Originally by: CCP Ginger

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Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.

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Originally by: Lemmy Kravitz

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Edited by: Lemmy Kravitz on 23/11/2010 07:06:14

Originally by: I'thari

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]Keep your hands off minmatar ships, they are fine.

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I call BS on that. Tempest, Maelstrom, and Phoon are horrible looking. Phoon needs to be elongated so it doesn't look like a turd on a stick. Tempest needs to be scrapped and maybe switch out for a larger version of the mammoth hull. Maelstrom just needs to get rid of the stupid solar wings. then there is the scythe. Caldari, and amarr are good space ships in general. Galante have the shoe/kidneybean which needs to be completely redone.

As for the sansha's thing in OP. It looks fine as spaceships go. it's like a lumpy version of an admiral akhbar ship from starwars. Is it omg eye candy good looking? no, but it's definetly orky and looks plausible enough to keep me satisfied.

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Originally by: xavier69

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100% agree with OP

The last graphics upgrade made the game subpar not standard prior to that it was pong

OLD [PONG]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7929/heliosb.jpg

After the upgrade aka Little bit better than double dragon for Super nintendo

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7963/0helios3.jpg


Please do not post images directly on the forums. Spitfire

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Originally by: MoeJoe Green

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People who get annoyed/upset/worry about the ship designs, should really reconsider why they are playing this game.

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Well, logically (as if EVE needs that) with all the gas clouds (basically a local atmosphere) in EVE asymmertical ships should become uncontrollable. You shouldn't be able to do PI. Logically spoken. But EVE isn't logical so let's not argue about logic or RL natures of law.

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Perhaps you like people with irregular growths on their body too, no-one is saying you can't or that's it's objectively wrong or right to do so.

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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I've never met a more fecally-obsessed group of people since I was in elementary school

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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someone posted a bad screenshot of it that made it look bad

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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They should probably change the color and then it'd look fine

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Originally by: Antithetos

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Its the design itself that makes it look like a turd, not the color.

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Originally by: De'Veldrin

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Unlike you (apparently) I tend to judge people by what they do, rather than how they look. More or less the same way I pick ships.

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Originally by: De'Veldrin

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If spaceships required flight surfaces to control their direction, I'd agree with you. Since they don't...I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is.

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Well have you ever seen a scientifically designed starship that isn't symmetrical?

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Besides, resistances that are not spread evenly across your ship will cause it to spin around it axes, it's only in (semi-)vacuum that flight surfaces don¦t influence your direction because there's no resistance.

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Looks do matter.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Well have you ever seen a scientifically designed starship that isn't symmetrical?

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Pretty much all of them that weren't designed for atmospheric duty.

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Besides, resistances that are not spread evenly across your ship will cause it to spin around it axes, it's only in (semi-)vacuum that flight surfaces don¦t influence your direction because there's no resistance.

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àso in other words: there's no reason for spaceships to have control surfaces or to be symmetrical.

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Originally by: Tippia

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No. Design matters, or more accurately, art direction. A design style that is centred on the concept of "utility" means that "looks" becomes a non-issue. ISS, Skylab, Gallileoà they were all fugly pieces of tech, because they were built to work, not to look pretty.

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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You missed the gas clouds and PI part of the argument?

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Well since "looks" and "graphical style" both refer to visial aspects I think we're talking about the same.

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Funny you quote all those symmertrical machines btw .. ^^

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EVE isn't reality, it's a game. CCP could make the spaceships look like icecream and hamburgers and still have the same stats. So I still wonder why the ships are deliberatley made ugly - and I don't believe I'm the only one what that's concerned.

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Originally by: Tippia

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The gas clouds bit assumes the clouds are dense enough to be of any consequence ù they obviously aren't.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Because that's the art direction: Caldari don't care about looks, but about utility. This is what defines them. Thus we get wierd-looking ships. Minmatar is the same, but they had to scrounge for parts, rather than use mass-produced prefab units decided through bribery and corporate incompetence committee, so they glued together whatever bits they could get their hands on. Amarr is about opulence. If it has to look wierd in order to tell the subcreatures that "we are superior and build whatever the "#& we want, now bow down!" then so be it. And the Gallente are just wierd to begin withà

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The release of T3s, the new scorpion, and the Primae got me really excited about the direction Eve was taking with its art. These ships were epic (some T3's looked silly, but I guess that's unavoidable considering it's modular design). With the Revenant, it looks like they took several steps back. Seriously, WTF?

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Originally by: Diesel47

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Cool looking ships please.

Fix caldari ships. The MOA needs a redesign, the BLACKBIRD needs a redesign, even the raven looks crap.

Minmitar is supposed to look like garbage, no need to change them.

Gallente can use some help too. Amarr ships are fine however.

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My suggestions:

Moa: complete redesign needed
Blackbird: could use some polish
Caracal: could look better too
Manticore: Just make it symmetical!!
Omen: remove the growth on the right side
Inquisitor: space maggot, complete redesign needed
Bellicose: complete redesign needed
Probe: make it look like something?
Slasher: can it look less like a very ugly insect?
Maller/Vexor: ugly bulky designs but some people like it
Thorax: make it symmetrical

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Originally by: Sorvath

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The release of T3s, the new scorpion, and the Primae got me really excited about the direction Eve was taking with its art. These ships were epic (some T3's looked silly, but I guess that's unavoidable considering it's modular design). With the Revenant, it looks like they took several steps back. Seriously, WTF?

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This 100%, especially the Primae which In my own personal subjective opinion is honest to god the best looking ship in eve right now. God I wish there was a combat version... ;_;

Damn would I love an update to the Gallene lineup (brutix, imicus, dominix etc)

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Originally by: Sorvath

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This 100%, especially the Primae which In my own personal subjective opinion is honest to god the best looking ship in eve right now. God I wish there was a combat version... ;_;

Damn would I love an update to the Gallene lineup (brutix, imicus, dominix etc)

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Originally by: Antithetos

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Originally by: Sorvath

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This 100%, especially the Primae which In my own personal subjective opinion is honest to god the best looking ship in eve right now. God I wish there was a combat version... ;_;

Damn would I love an update to the Gallene lineup (brutix, imicus, dominix etc)

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Opinions bro, how do they work?!

I think Primae looks like a playmobil, and the Brutix is one of the best looking ships in EVE.

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Originally by: Ivan Tesla

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Originally by: Diesel47

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Cool looking ships please.

Fix caldari ships. The MOA needs a redesign, the BLACKBIRD needs a redesign, even the raven looks crap.

Minmitar is supposed to look like garbage, no need to change them.

Gallente can use some help too. Amarr ships are fine however.

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My suggestions:

Moa: complete redesign needed
Blackbird: could use some polish
Caracal: could look better too
Manticore: Just make it symmetical!!
Omen: remove the growth on the right side
Inquisitor: space maggot, complete redesign needed
Bellicose: complete redesign needed
Probe: make it look like something?
Slasher: can it look less like a very ugly insect?
Maller/Vexor: ugly bulky designs but some people like it
Thorax: make it symmetrical

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I don't know why everyone dislikes the Bellicose design. Its the only Minmatar cruiser I'll use while helping a cousin speed through missions - stats and fitting wise obviously could be more useful but looks wise - much better than the other Minmatar cruisers. Needs an update only.

Same with the Caracal, its fine :)

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Originally by: Orivanna

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Those who talk about not needing symmetric ships in space:

How hard did you fail basic physics?


Asymmetric distribution of mass makes it extremely and unnecessarily difficult to balance thrust... especially when you are concerned about accurate ship control.

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Originally by: Orivanna

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Those who talk about not needing symmetric ships in space:

How hard did you fail basic physics?

Asymmetric distribution of mass makes it extremely and unnecessarily difficult to balance thrust... especially when you are concerned about accurate ship control.

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Originally by: Budrick3

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Edited by: Budrick3 on 21/11/2010 03:45:39
Edited by: Budrick3 on 21/11/2010 03:29:38
It boggles my mind that with the immense popularity of Eve that CCP can not hire some good concept artists and 3d engineers to make a decent looking ships within the Eve Universe! I mean holy crap! 3/4 of the ships in Eve look like they spent 30 minutes designing them, and another 30 skinning them.

CCP, if you want to get gamers excited again about the game, redesign most of your ships! Did you see how excited your community got when you re-designed the Scorpion? Imagine your sales if you re-ignited that excitement of wanting to fly a particular ship? There are 15 Year old kids on deviant art with better concept art than your entire team. Get your crap straight.

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 23/11/2010 20:46:49

Originally by: De'Veldrin

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If spaceships required flight surfaces to control their direction, I'd agree with you. Since they don't...I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is.

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Well have you ever seen a scientifically designed starship that isn't symmetrical designed to pass through an atmosphere on it's way to and from space?

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Originally by: Orivanna

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Those who talk about not needing symmetric ships in space:

How hard did you fail basic physics?


Asymmetric distribution of mass makes it extremely and unnecessarily difficult to balance thrust... especially when you are concerned about accurate ship control.

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Asymmetry restricts your ship to (sub)vaccuum space, why would you want that, especially military ships?

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Originally by: Budrick3

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I recently had hope for CCP when they released the t3 ships. I mean those are some cool looking ships, but all that got flushed down the toilet with there latest sansha mother turd. It looks like someone literally took a dump, and butt hole hairs came off in the process of squeezing one out.

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Originally by: Borun Tal

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Originally by: Budrick3

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I recently had hope for CCP when they released the t3 ships. I mean those are some cool looking ships, but all that got flushed down the toilet with there latest sansha mother turd. It looks like someone literally took a dump, and butt hole hairs came off in the process of squeezing one out.

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So who exactly is holding a gun to your head, forcing your to pay $15 US per month to play the game? Don't like it? WoW calls you home...

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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From a design stand point the Sansha Supercarrier is a series of spheres contained within a organically sculpted superstructure.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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If you have an obsession with 13yr old style biological humor,

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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at least direct it at the right ship.

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Originally by: Tarasina

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Originally by: Borun Tal

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So who exactly is holding a gun to your head, forcing your to pay $15 US per month to play the game? Don't like it? WoW calls you home...

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If everyone thought like you, there would be no improvements, no expansions, no nothing. You'd still be playing a buggy mining-sim.

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Originally by: Borun Tal

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Originally by: Tarasina

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Originally by: Borun Tal

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So who exactly is holding a gun to your head, forcing your to pay $15 US per month to play the game? Don't like it? WoW calls you home...

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If everyone thought like you, there would be no improvements, no expansions, no nothing. You'd still be playing a buggy mining-sim.

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So it's whiny little b!tches complaining about space turds that improve games, and not advances in technology, constructive suggestions and criticism, and community involvement? Wow... Glad to see you're on the forefront of game development with the OP.

Oh, and WoW call to you, too.

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Originally by: Borun Tal

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So it's whiny little b!tches complaining about space turds that improve games, and not advances in technology, constructive suggestions and criticism, and community involvement?

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Originally by: IoWalker

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I generally support the OP here, however, I'd like to point out a particular contention with people who immediately associate "asymmetrical" designs with "ugly" or more specifically "asymmetrical design = bad design". Asymmetric ships are often quite beautiful and striking, as well as sensible for a ship in space (not a ship navigating water or air where it would make sense to be symmetric.)

Also good point brought up about simple things like improving the very worst ship designs in this game would be draw for new players.

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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi

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I have stated this a few times already but I do not believe asymmetry is bad but there is a limit to how much of it is good. The Raven and Moa are examples of bad asymmetry. The Omen is a nice looking Asymmetrical ship. If the ship makes you wonder if they just ran out of material to make the ship then its bad. If it looks like its actually a functional part of the ship and has a reason to be there then it is good.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You have illustrated my point.

From a design standpoint, the ship is fine.

Aesthetically, it's design is one that can be poked fun at easily by those of an adolescent mindset.

It's just as easy to make silly comparisons even with the most iconic Scifi starship designs. You could say an Imperial Star Destroyer is nothing more than a triangle with a bridge stapled to the top, or that the Enterprise looks exactly like a Frisbee with 3 toilet paper rolls glued to it.

Can you justify the comparison... sure.

Does anyone really take the comparison seriously... no.

If you seriously believe that the Ragnarok is a better design, and more aesthetically pleasing than this new Sansha ship then more power to you. Everyone's taste, and opinion, varies.

Just don't be surprised when many finally tire of the quips and disagree with you... loudly, publicly, and with good justification for their opinion.

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Originally by: CCP Ginger

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Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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What I also don't get is the fact that all ship designers of all races and all bloodlines all decided to design asymmertrical ships and that not a single one of them even considered the fact that to be able to fly into atmospheres you better have symmetrical ships.

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1. Planets are for subcreatures and cattle ù why on earth would you go there? Are you not a capsuleer, or do we have to petition CONCORD for a revocation of your flying status on grounds for not being the God you are destined to be?
2. Ships are (largely) made of tritanium ù a mineral that reacts very poorly to atmospherical gasses.
3. Specialisation ù why build a combined deep/far-space + orbital boost ship when it will be worse a both than a dedicated deep/far-space vessel and an orbital shuttle?
4. Cost ù getting in and out of orbit is silly cheap: mass drivers, orbital elevators, good old chemical rocketsà you can produce this kind of lifting (and lowering) capacity by the truckload before you've even come close to the cost of a single warp engine.
5. Resources ù said orbital transfer mechanisms can be constructed with ease from planetary materials; warp-capable ships cannot, and the resource requirements for these vast fleets of space ships and space stations are so huge that we have to rely on minerals and materials that can only ever be found and/or made in spaceà so it would be a waste of resources to make orbital hoppers that drain these resource, and it would likewise be nigh-on impossible to use planet-safe materials for the amount of ships out there.
6. Environmental concerns ù warp-capable ships have (duh!) a warp engine and powerful normal-space propulsion systems based around ion/magpulse/plasma/fusion thrust, neither of which will react well to civilised areas (or even to atmospheres). Fitting them for atmospheric flight would mean cutting off the warp engine ù something that takes weeks ù and adding additional propulsion systems with odd fuel requirements that would needlessly bulk the ship up for no adequate reason (since, again, orbital and sub-orbital hops can be made effortlessly through other means).

Originally by: Maximus Gladius

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Please . The ships look like crap.it seems to me the devs hired some graphic artists cheap, who, instead of ever updating the actual ship models and making the look like spaceships, they simply put a ton of textures on them, and a load of stupid lights,and chop the surface of what should be a sleek looking spaceship into a thousand different little panels that make no sense and look like broken up Garbage?
who was the idiot who decided to take redc crayons to caldari ships and draw stupid ugly rings on them in crayola red? I mean, could you find a more disgusting shade of red?

The Nighthawk used to be a gorgeous ship.
Sleek, Black, smooth.now it is grotesque. the one decent looking ship caldari had they made ugly?
whose idea was it they it would be hip to have assymetrical spaceships?
"Hey lets make a spaceship game where the ships are ugly, we dont want star wars looking ships because......" they were popular?

Just seems like a bunch of hack artists trying to justify their salaries without really designing anything, just lights and textures. Fire the guy who made that call and hired those clowns, and get someone in who can design some nice looking ships.

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Originally by: Maximus Gladius

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Also, not for nothing, wouldnt it be easier on servers with less stupid lights and thousands of dif panels aand tectures every 1/4 inch of screen space?

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Originally by: hjgjgfgfgsj

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My favourite ship, the one I ABSOLUTELY do not want redesigned because it looks awesome is....

my Ishtar/vexor!!

Leave it alone, I am in love with that ship, and the setup I have for it. I think it looks cool.

anyone else agree? or have your own ship you DONT want redesigned?

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Originally by: Desya Dak'ann

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The drake, my beloved drake, I do not want it modified in anyway, it is fine as it is

VIVA LA DRAKE ARMIES!!!

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Originally by: MoeJoe Green

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People who get annoyed/upset/worry about the ship designs, should really reconsider why they are playing this game.

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However I disagree, ships look fine for the most part. Functionality > appearance anyway. That also goes for the game as a whole (I'll take A+ gameplay and B- graphics rather than the opposite).

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