"It's going to ruin small group PvP." Where have I heard that before? The nano nerf. The Falcon nerf. In fact I hear that argument just about any time somebody's way of playing is threatened with change. And the gloomy prediction doesn't come true. Small group and solo PvP is still alive. A good FC with hardened bastards behind him who know their ships inside and out will always have an advantage.

Hell, T3 boosts haven't always been here. There was PvP before them.

Another FW dude responds. Get into 0.0 and get blobbed and titan bridged on for a change. Go 40 jumps into 0.0 on your regular roams dude and get out of The Bleak Lands for once in your life.

I lived in Null from 2007 till 2011. I ran with the muppet factory. I ran with Am0k. both before and after they joined Goons. I've done small group, large fleets, and solo. And you're whining. Stop whining. It's a done deal so adapt and enjoy the time you have left.

"I'm so l33t and experienced. I'm chestbeating so I can call you a whiner. "

I lived in Null from 2007 till 2011. I ran with the muppet factory. I ran with Am0k. both before and after they joined Goons. I've done small group, large fleets, and solo. And you're whining. Stop whining. It's a done deal so adapt and enjoy the time you have left.

They might, and that's the point. People should stop whining and utilize the tactics available instead of trying to eliminate them because they don't, won't or can't . And back to your question about the bigger gang having boosts, it happens to us all the time, but we still will usually take the fight, and find a way to be competitive.

Now imagine for a moment we didn't have our boosts, we would be effectively rofflestomped. And then I would be all over the forums crying about bigger gangs using offgrid boosters. Nope not gonna happen. Adapt, diversify, change tactics because the battlefield is an ever changing environment.

Another FW dude responds. Get into 0.0 and get blobbed and titan bridged on for a change. Go 40 jumps into 0.0 on your regular roams dude and get out of The Bleak Lands for once in your life.

+1

Off-grid boosting is simply ********. You want those buffs? they should be on the field and at risk just like everything else that will affect the outcome. It works for both sides. No stashing a booster at a pos or at a ss running eccm.

And finally the command ships will regain their rightful place as the best boosters. The age of the T3 bubble immune cov ops warping etc booster will be over. Frankly it is taking too long, and has been here too long.

Oh yeah, preemptive "I was a low sec noob. I respond with my history so I'm an elitist snob now. Make up your mind." as well.

I just spent the last ~6 months or so maxing out my main character to fleet boost my pvp alt. That's 6 months of paying for an account to train skills that added nothing to that character's abilities. IF off grid boosting was nerfed, I would seriously hope they would offer reimbursement. Many people are going to be pissed off about all of the effort they put into obtaining these characters if they are suddenly made far less useful.

If people would just put in a little of their own effort they could easily obtain their own fleet booster, but instead they opt to cry on the forums. Why is that? Oh, that's right...because it takes a massive amount of time, isk, resources, and effort to obtain and continue to use a fleet booster. If it did not, they would already have one. Just save the rivoting tale about how you are "too honorable" to use a fleet booster and that's why you don't..

Or they could just train to probe to find said fleet boosters and kill them.

But the problem of lazy and uncreative get in the way.

Yes, hold on good sir while I send my probing alt after your boosting alt then we can honorably duel. After all if I don't parlay for this opportunity to probe your booster alt I will be guilty of being lazy.

Off-grid boosting is still a ******** mechanic. It was ******** before tech III and became even more so after tech III.

I fly commands. I want them on grid. To be part of the battle. Not to become an alt account you sneak into a system and ss etc. or sit at a pos. It's more fun flying a logi anyway, but anything beats getting told to safe up and run links without seeing the battle.

As for "but they can get probed ~~" Difficult to do and anyway, so what. They are not getting shot at, neuted, bubbled, pointed or being part of the battle. Yet they are having a major impact on that battle. It is just stupid the way it has been since tech III command subsystem came into the game.

As for Nosrevibus's solution I can agree that command processors should be removed from the game. Removing the command processor will make more people train leadership and fill roles that formerly might only be filled by one ridiculous fit. That is a good thing. But I don't agree that that module is the source of the blob problem. People simply blob. They will blob with a new booster structure, i.e more booster ships within the fleet. Taking away the one uber booster ship will not end the blob.

edit- and lol at but but then you must reimburse me for training an alt to do only this off-grid boosting. the game changes. supercarriers no longer squash everything. supercarrier pilots not worthy of sp reimbursement and neither is a boosting tech III alt. CCP did not sign a contract to preserve your exploitation (i.e. not exploiting) of a flawed game mechanic. When they fix what they made to function as they wish it to you can stomp off in a huff or live with it.

Because now blobs will have command ships that will roflstomp anything else trying to fight them, small gangs, solo pilots whatever... And these people getting roflstomped have no way to have their own boosters.

Because fitting gang links to your other ships is forbidden ? Because Claymores and Lokis are terrible kiting ships ? Why ?

Nothing wrong with ogb tbh and takes alot comitment to make one

13.5msp leadership maxed
2-4msp for cruser 5 fir each race t3 and more for cs

and easy a bill per ship plus mindlinks and implants

thats fair bit of comitment for avrage pvper to invest so they and they buddys can match others that do the same

Would we get all this sp bck if nurfed coz thats a few months of sub cash wasted for alot ppl who have invested time rl money and effort to provide ogb for theyer wingmen

my spelling sux no i aint useing google or any other spell check sue me

I, just like some of you, am torn between questions revolving around "the greater good".

I think he was referring to safety, not to not getting to crunch rocks with his Rorqual. IIRC, deploying a Rorq works like sieging a dread. You wouldn't siege a dread without plenty of battleship support, so following Max's reasoning, you would need battleship support for Rorqual-supported mining fleets.

The use of a siege/triage/industrial core is nothing like a ganglink..

The ganglinks give additional boosts, the siege/triage/industrial core only activate a function. Other than a little safety there is no reason not to sit a rorq in your hidden belt providing gang links, if your using the industrial core in a belt you're very bad.

To all the people that say to train probers to find your OGB, I say **** off. to all the people that think this will hurt CCP financially I say **** you. Off grid boosting is a sham and you will be dealt with, deal bitches. The only thing I want to come from this nerf is allow all command ships into all FW major sites. If it is a major site Tech II BC should be allowed into it.

If the booster is not on the same grid, you should not get any boost. On the other hand, theres nothing wrong with the booster beeing cloaked on grid...

If the booster is not on the same grid, you should not get any boost. On the other hand, theres nothing wrong with the booster beeing cloaked on grid...

To all the people that say to train probers to find your OGB, I say **** off. to all the people that think this will hurt CCP financially I say **** you. Off grid boosting is a sham and you will be dealt with, deal bitches. The only thing I want to come from this nerf is allow all command ships into all FW major sites. If it is a major site Tech II BC should be allowed into it.

If your big concern is blobs why are you in null sec?

Dude some of us like to pvp outnumbered, or at least like having the ability to compete in pvp outnumbered since we find ourselves outnumbered very often. It's what makes Eve fun, that adrenaline rush during pvp. Now if an offgrid booster gives my gang of 10 the edge it needs to engage a gang of 60 or 70 then how is that imbalaced? If anything it helps to put Eve pvp back into balance.