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Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:43:00 - [1] Edited by: Fi1ippo on 02/12/2010 21:47:12 Edited by: Fi1ippo on 02/12/2010 21:45:50 Afternoon, I apologize to bring this here to the forums but honestly i am a bit new and i am not sure where else to go after sending in an in game petition and a petiton via regular email to EVE support. I need to get my situation into the eyes of customer support and this seems to be the only way to do it. I was recently the victim of a mistake made by one of your GMs and im in need of some answers, as well as proof to these allegations that i purchased ISK. You took actions based on logs (which i have logs too, and i sent them to your support department) and assumptions which are false. I very quickly found and sent in the proof of the conversation logs between myself and the person i was initiating the trade with, and its clear that he was not selling me anything at all but giving it away. Since he was far away from my location we did the trades via contract...as i am told is a common way to trade ISK and items in EVE. Yes it was a lot of ISK and i can see how it might look suspicious, but the proof is right there...since EVE records everything i was able (thanks to the help of a friendly corp member) to locate the chat logs pertaining to both events in question and sent them in via email to online support. If you are doing an investigation with that proof, or if you are simply ignoring it, either way i need to know because quite frankly being in the hole -800mil because of your mistake is starting to take its toll in frustration. I understand people make mistakes and CCP is trying its best to avoid these things...but it happens. To everyone. Now all i ask is that i get a fair chance to prove myself innocent and get my playing experience back. Im not sure where else to turn, but I havnt even recieved any kind of indication from a GM that its even being looked in to...and thats whats annoying me the most. So id appreciate if customer support can get this going. I dont mind a mistake, but i will take it seriously if im just left out in the cold.
Kool StoryBro	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:47:00 - [2] <---
Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:48:00 - [3] Don't buy illegal isk in the future again genius
Aqriue	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:49:00 - [4] Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- In before lame FIRSTPOST!!1!!111!! looks up Ah crap Someone beat me
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:51:00 - [5] Edited by: Fi1ippo on 02/12/2010 21:52:16 Originally by: Sverige Pahis Don't buy illegal isk in the future again genius I was expecting this. You probably didnt read, but ill say it again anyway for you. It was a legit trade, there was no real money involved in the process. He was leaving and moving on to better things.
Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:52:00 - [6] Nah m8 it wasn't.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:52:00 - [7] I love it when aasdfksadf just wants to give me stuff!
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Sverige Pahis Nah m8 it wasn't. Proof is in the logs, so yes, it was.
Max Cetera Capital Researchs Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:53:00 - [9] Ask your friend to give you more ISK again so your wallet gets back up to normal
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:55:00 - [10] ok post the logs. Also if your friends account isn't banned have him post too. have him say where the money came from. there is slight chance that you didn't know it, but the isk he gave you, HE BOUGHT. If the isk he gave you was bought by him and that isk was tracked, sorry mate but it gets taken away no matter who's hands it's in sometimes. POST THE LOGS.

Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: Sverige Pahis Nah m8 it wasn't. Proof is in the logs, so yes, it was. m8 you seem to be struggling to understand the concept of this situation. Your "friend" didn't just "give" you money m8 they should throw away the key imho tbqfh qft rotfl htfu
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:57:00 - [12] Presumption of innocence. In EVE, it isn't. ___________
William Cooly Sol Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:59:00 - [13] Any logs posted are assumed to have been modified unless posted by CCP. - I troll stupid people.
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:00:00 - [14] Originally by: William Cooly Any logs posted are assumed to have been modified unless posted by CCP. Thats one way out i suppose, never being able to post proof because its been "modified".
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Sverige Pahis Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: Sverige Pahis Nah m8 it wasn't. Proof is in the logs, so yes, it was. m8 you seem to be struggling to understand the concept of this situation. Your "friend" didn't just "give" you money m8 they should throw away the key imho tbqfh qft rotfl htfu Because its never happened to you, i guess it means its true. People do give away money...i see it happen every day in the Corp im in...hundreds of millions in ISK via contracts just like the trade i made. Where is their punishment?
Heimdal Galplen Minmatar Forced Entry Industries	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Max Cetera Ask your friend to give you more ISK again so your wallet gets back up to normal /thread
Yafricken Zerious	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:06:00 - [17] Doesn't matter if you bought the ISK or not. If the person who bought the ISK gave it to you it's still illegal ISK. You should be talking to the person who supplied it, not harassing support or making ignorant accusations on the forums.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Fi1ippo Because its never happened to you, i guess it means its true. People do give away money...i see it happen every day in the Corp im in...hundreds of millions in ISK via contracts just like the trade i made. Where is their punishment? The guy who gave you the isk was probably being monitored and his activities logged. Meaning, CCP suspected (or knew) that your benefactor was an ISK farmer/seller. Your corp mates, on the other hand, don't act like ISK farmer/sellers and so their gifts are "valid." Basically you received "stolen" goods from a known criminal (aka ISK seller) and it was assumed that you bought the ISK. You're out of luck unless you can somehow prove your innocence. It also doesn't help that your wallet is at negative 800 million isk, which could mean that you quickly made some big purchases with the isk, which could imply that you were expecting a big inflow of isk and had already planned out what you wanted to buy. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:11:00 - [19] Please tell CCP that you waive your right to privacy on the matter. We want customer support to post the full investigation in this thread.
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:11:00 - [20] The chat log --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16711280 Channel Name: Private Chat (Paisan) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.12.01 23:32:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.12.01 23:32:26 ] Paisan > hey [ 2010.12.01 23:32:40 ] Fi1ippo > hi [ 2010.12.01 23:32:45 ] Paisan > just as i promsied, here is the money. this game is just taking up too much time [ 2010.12.01 23:32:47 ] Fi1ippo > ty, yeah i understand, i was playing warcraft before this. [ 2010.12.01 23:33:55 ] Paisan > yeah, its just time to move on. Good luck bud [ 2010.12.01 23:34:20 ] Fi1ippo > K so we're good? Thanks man, thanks for everything And a message from his cash cow..just like in other mmos, when you have a bank to store money. --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16366126 Channel Name: Private Chat (TheVault007) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.11.20 20:36:10 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.11.20 20:36:19 ] TheVault007 > sry, was the wrong character [ 2010.11.20 20:36:22 ] TheVault007 > my bad [ 2010.11.20 20:36:29 ] Fi1ippo > ok [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept [ 2010.11.20 20:36:56 ] TheVault007 > Mexallon [ 2010.11.20 20:37:03 ] TheVault007 > this should be right [ 2010.11.20 20:37:15 ] TheVault007 > ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest [ 2010.11.20 20:37:21 ] Fi1ippo > yea its right, thanks. Alright thanks, no rush at all im just glad i was lucky enough to message you in time lol If the ISK was purchased by himthen thats what they should say, I didnt purchase it, but i did accept this trade which was made without any forms of real money.

Barakkus	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:14:00 - [21] So in otherwords you were laundering RMT isk.
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Yafricken Zerious Doesn't matter if you bought the ISK or not. If the person who bought the ISK gave it to you it's still illegal ISK. You should be talking to the person who supplied it, not harassing support or making ignorant accusations on the forums. Im not the one making the accusations, sadly. Im being left with negative bank, no proof of these accusations, and no GM support on the matter. I am at least providing what evidence i have access to.
Fkn Arson 0ne Percent.	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:16:00 - [23] Posting logs and claiming innocence for everyone else to see will not do much for you. Keep this internal. This will eventually get locked.
Grez Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:17:00 - [24] FYI, my friend purchased ISK from the same place you did, and he got the ISK removed. They're well aware of this practice of making it look like a fake give-away. To be quite honest, me thinks you both deserve it :D. ---
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Fkn Arson Posting logs and claiming innocence for everyone else to see will not do much for you. Keep this internal. This will eventually get locked. I understand. When someone says post the logs, and i dont post them, then it will just add more fuel to the assumption that im not telling the truth. I have nothing to hide.
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Grez FYI, my friend purchased ISK from the same place you did, and he got the ISK removed. They're well aware of this practice of making it look like a fake give-away. To be quite honest, me thinks you both deserve it :D. I didnt buy it, so i dont see where the comparison is coming from. And what gold farmer/ISK farmer actually speaks understandable English in coherant sentances. Uusally its just one or two word phrases. I imagine they arent any different then the ones infesting Warcraft.
Fkn Arson 0ne Percent.	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:22:00 - [27] Edited by: Fkn Arson on 02/12/2010 22:23:38 Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: Fkn Arson Posting logs and claiming innocence for everyone else to see will not do much for you. Keep this internal. This will eventually get locked. I understand. When someone says post the logs, and i dont post them, then it will just add more fuel to the assumption that im not telling the truth. I have nothing to hide. Your posting logs for people who can do NOTHING about it. This will be handled internally and your innocence in our eyes means nothing when it comes to being proven guilty or not. Taking it to the forums because you feel CCP is not working fast enough will not make it go any faster. You already took the two official approaches needed to receive whatever judgment CCP will decide to give you. Be Patient and await that decision. Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: Grez FYI, my friend purchased ISK from the same place you did, and he got the ISK removed. They're well aware of this practice of making it look like a fake give-away. To be quite honest, me thinks you both deserve it :D. I didnt buy it, so i dont see where the comparison is coming from. And what gold farmer/ISK farmer actually speaks understandable English in coherant sentances. Uusally its just one or two word phrases. I imagine they arent any different then the ones infesting Warcraft. Some of the larger RMT groups are handled by English speaking people. Coherent sentences included.
Triple Entendre	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:23:00 - [28] I would ask if I could have your stuff, but you can't pay the contract fee anyway. Originally by: CCP Zulu You're assuming I read threads before I turdpost in them :)
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Fkn Arson Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: Fkn Arson Posting logs and claiming innocence for everyone else to see will not do much for you. Keep this internal. This will eventually get locked. I understand. When someone says post the logs, and i dont post them, then it will just add more fuel to the assumption that im not telling the truth. I have nothing to hide. Your posting logs for people who can do NOTHING about it. This will be handled internally and your innocence in our eyes means nothing when it comes to being proven guilty or not. Taking it to the forums because you feel CCP is not working fast enough will not make it go any faster. You already took the two official approaches needed to receive whatever judgment CCP will decide to give you. Be Patient and await that decision. Fair enough
Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:25:00 - [30] lol you can't even 'sell' 30 day plexs to fix it Hoppit!

Keta Fraal Nul and Booleans	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Fi1ippo The chat log --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16711280 Channel Name: Private Chat (Paisan) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.12.01 23:32:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.12.01 23:32:26 ] Paisan > hey [ 2010.12.01 23:32:40 ] Fi1ippo > hi [ 2010.12.01 23:32:45 ] Paisan > just as i promsied, here is the money. this game is just taking up too much time [ 2010.12.01 23:32:47 ] Fi1ippo > ty, yeah i understand, i was playing warcraft before this. [ 2010.12.01 23:33:55 ] Paisan > yeah, its just time to move on. Good luck bud [ 2010.12.01 23:34:20 ] Fi1ippo > K so we're good? Thanks man, thanks for everything And a message from his cash cow..just like in other mmos, when you have a bank to store money. --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16366126 Channel Name: Private Chat (TheVault007) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.11.20 20:36:10 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.11.20 20:36:19 ] TheVault007 > sry, was the wrong character [ 2010.11.20 20:36:22 ] TheVault007 > my bad [ 2010.11.20 20:36:29 ] Fi1ippo > ok [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept [ 2010.11.20 20:36:56 ] TheVault007 > Mexallon [ 2010.11.20 20:37:03 ] TheVault007 > this should be right [ 2010.11.20 20:37:15 ] TheVault007 > ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest [ 2010.11.20 20:37:21 ] Fi1ippo > yea its right, thanks. Alright thanks, no rush at all im just glad i was lucky enough to message you in time lol If the ISK was purchased by himthen thats what they should say, I didnt purchase it, but i did accept this trade which was made without any forms of real money. The bold and underlined part -----> Seems to imply you made an exchange to his benefit and he still owes you the remainder. SOOOO.... --------------------------------------- Completely ignore any whining that is not toilet orientated.
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:25:00 - [32] Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 02/12/2010 22:26:57 Were you banned? or did you just lose your isk? If you just lost the isk, then really nothing was lost. If you were banned, well then that seems unfair without more evidence. Honestly, no isk seller would say they were delivering your isk you paid for, they'd make a farcical chat log as is likely what you're dealing with here. If the "gifter" is a known seller, and you dealt with them, then you are guilty by association, right or wrong. Do not however expect INSTANT response from CCP. There were methods for contacting them, and resolving this issue. Even waiting a week isn't unreasonable, grab you jacket, take a walk. BTW if you are guilty, man up, stop blaming people for being more clever than you. ====================================== Do you really care what trolls say? If yes, please take a break and head outside, it helps. ======================================
lolyou	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:26:00 - [33] Did you know you can buy isk from CCP? lol@u
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:27:00 - [34] Do you really expect anyone to believe that THAT is an actual conversation and not a script you were supposed to follow?
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:28:00 - [35] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Were you banned? or did you just lose your isk? If you just lost the isk, then really nothing was lost. If you were banned, well then that seems unfair without more evidence. Honestly, no isk seller would say they were delivering your isk you paid for, they'd make a farcical chat log as is likely what you're dealing with here. If the "gifter" is a known seller, and you dealt with them, then you are guilty by association, right or wrong. Do not however expect INSTANT response from CCP. There were methods for contacting them, and resolving this issue. Even waiting a week isn't unreasonable, grab you jacket, take a walk. No im not banned I dont expect instant responses but i expect some kind of indication that its being worked on at least. Thats not too much to ask for a message in the petition stating that they are looking into the issue...if thats the case.
000Hunter000 Gallente Industrial Exploits	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:29:00 - [36] Sux to be your tbfh... But ok, i feel like playing devils advocate here... Usually rtm launderers don't post on the forums, they prolly took advantage of his noobishness (yes and his greed too) But let this be a lesson too all! If some stranger gives u a gazzillion isk, petition ccp about it immediatly before actually spending it, then if ccp says go, then it's ok i guess. ________________________________________________
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr GHF Corperation Confederacy of Protean Warriors	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:31:00 - [37] Originally by: Fi1ippo The chat log --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16711280 Channel Name: Private Chat (Paisan) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.12.01 23:32:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.12.01 23:32:26 ] Paisan > hey [ 2010.12.01 23:32:40 ] Fi1ippo > hi [ 2010.12.01 23:32:45 ] Paisan > just as i promsied, here is the money. this game is just taking up too much time [ 2010.12.01 23:32:47 ] Fi1ippo > ty, yeah i understand, i was playing warcraft before this. [ 2010.12.01 23:33:55 ] Paisan > yeah, its just time to move on. Good luck bud [ 2010.12.01 23:34:20 ] Fi1ippo > K so we're good? Thanks man, thanks for everything And a message from his cash cow..just like in other mmos, when you have a bank to store money. --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16366126 Channel Name: Private Chat (TheVault007) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.11.20 20:36:10 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.11.20 20:36:19 ] TheVault007 > sry, was the wrong character [ 2010.11.20 20:36:22 ] TheVault007 > my bad [ 2010.11.20 20:36:29 ] Fi1ippo > ok [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept [ 2010.11.20 20:36:56 ] TheVault007 > Mexallon [ 2010.11.20 20:37:03 ] TheVault007 > this should be right [ 2010.11.20 20:37:15 ] TheVault007 > ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest [ 2010.11.20 20:37:21 ] Fi1ippo > yea its right, thanks. Alright thanks, no rush at all im just glad i was lucky enough to message you in time lol If the ISK was purchased by himthen thats what they should say, I didnt purchase it, but i did accept this trade which was made without any forms of real money. This must be false. There was no insultes exchanged when he mentioned warcraft. ________________________________________________ Tau - Yeah we suck in close combat. To bad you will never get there. For the greater good!! Quote: "I love Australia! Our spiders have health bars.
Scorpyn Warp Ghosts Omega Spectres of the Deep	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Fi1ippo The chat log --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16711280 Channel Name: Private Chat (Paisan) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.12.01 23:32:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.12.01 23:32:26 ] Paisan > hey [ 2010.12.01 23:32:40 ] Fi1ippo > hi [ 2010.12.01 23:32:45 ] Paisan > just as i promsied, here is the money. this game is just taking up too much time [ 2010.12.01 23:32:47 ] Fi1ippo > ty, yeah i understand, i was playing warcraft before this. [ 2010.12.01 23:33:55 ] Paisan > yeah, its just time to move on. Good luck bud [ 2010.12.01 23:34:20 ] Fi1ippo > K so we're good? Thanks man, thanks for everything And a message from his cash cow..just like in other mmos, when you have a bank to store money. --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16366126 Channel Name: Private Chat (TheVault007) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.11.20 20:36:10 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.11.20 20:36:19 ] TheVault007 > sry, was the wrong character [ 2010.11.20 20:36:22 ] TheVault007 > my bad [ 2010.11.20 20:36:29 ] Fi1ippo > ok [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept [ 2010.11.20 20:36:56 ] TheVault007 > Mexallon [ 2010.11.20 20:37:03 ] TheVault007 > this should be right [ 2010.11.20 20:37:15 ] TheVault007 > ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest [ 2010.11.20 20:37:21 ] Fi1ippo > yea its right, thanks. Alright thanks, no rush at all im just glad i was lucky enough to message you in time lol If the ISK was purchased by himthen thats what they should say, I didnt purchase it, but i did accept this trade which was made without any forms of real money. If you're telling the truth, you must have some more chat logs with those characters. What you've posted looks like maybe 1/4 of the story.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:32:00 - [39] Let's be honest and realistic. Anyone who gives away all their stuff to a complete n00b stranger is a nice person. There are no nice people in Eve. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle! ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Drykor Do you really expect anyone to believe that THAT is an actual conversation and not a script you were supposed to follow? Lol...

Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:37:00 - [41] Originally by: Fi1ippo snip [ 2010.11.20 20:37:15 ] TheVault007 > ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest snip Oh wait, there is more (to come)! Btw, it's not common to transfer isk via contract, but by the context-menu and 'give money' option.. at least in my surroundings. PS: if you still got the stuff you bought with the isk then tranfer this to an alt and sell it. Should put you back into the blacks, or did CCP remove those things also (I got no first hand experience)? Public Idea Tracker \| 24 Hour PLEX
Feligast Minmatar Intentionally Destructive	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 02/12/2010 22:26:57 Were you banned? or did you just lose your isk? If you just lost the isk, then really nothing was lost. Except, of course, the real money he paypalled the guy.
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: Drykor Do you really expect anyone to believe that THAT is an actual conversation and not a script you were supposed to follow? Lol... Please explain why the conversations don't match up with your story. From what it appears, the person in question owes you something, not simply giving it away. Nice try, but like 99.99999% of the forum posts about "zomg they took mah moneyz", this one is just another one of those "I got caught so I'm going to make an ass out of myself on the forums and that will make them reverse their decision" threads.
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:39:00 - [44] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Fi1ippo snip [ 2010.11.20 20:37:15 ] TheVault007 > ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest snip Oh wait, there is more (to come)! Btw, it's not common to transfer isk via contract, but by the context-menu and 'give money' option.. at least in my surroundings. PS: if you still got the stuff you bought with the isk then tranfer this to an alt and sell it. Should put you back into the blacks, or did CCP remove those things also (I got no first hand experience)? I still have my account and my stuff, so yeah there is that way but i just want to see it through not give up quite yet. I am still not familiar with contracts as of yet, i was just told that its a common way to give money and items.
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: Drykor Do you really expect anyone to believe that THAT is an actual conversation and not a script you were supposed to follow? Lol... Please explain why the conversations don't match up with your story. From what it appears, the person in question owes you something, not simply giving it away. Nice try, but like 99.99999% of the forum posts about "zomg they took mah moneyz", this one is just another one of those "I got caught so I'm going to make an ass out of myself on the forums and that will make them reverse their decision" threads. To each his own i guess, its easy to sit there and make nit picks. I posted it because i had nothing to hide. Like 99.999% of the responses i expected, this didnt fail to deliever.
Matalino	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:43:00 - [46] Edited by: Matalino on 02/12/2010 22:44:48 Originally by: Fi1ippo [ 2010.12.01 23:32:45 ] Paisan > just as i promsied, here is the money. this game is just taking up too much time [ 2010.11.20 20:37:15 ] TheVault007 > ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest So what exactly is your connection with these characters and why do they seem to feel obligated to give you money? Those chat logs are more incrimating than not. Originally by: Fi1ippo I am still not familiar with contracts as of yet, i was just told that its a common way to give money and items. Items:Yes! Money:No!
ILikeMarkets	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:45:00 - [47] They could always reinstate his account and take all the isk back. If he is telling the truth, he isn't out anything that wasn't just handed to him charitably. If he isn't telling the truth, he's out the money he spent on that isk. Seriously, though, why RMT when you can just buy a plex? Prolly saved like 2 or 3 bucks total doing that.
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: Drykor Do you really expect anyone to believe that THAT is an actual conversation and not a script you were supposed to follow? Lol... Please explain why the conversations don't match up with your story. From what it appears, the person in question owes you something, not simply giving it away. Nice try, but like 99.99999% of the forum posts about "zomg they took mah moneyz", this one is just another one of those "I got caught so I'm going to make an ass out of myself on the forums and that will make them reverse their decision" threads. To each his own i guess, its easy to sit there and make nit picks. I posted it because i had nothing to hide. Like 99.999% of the responses i expected, this didnt fail to deliever. So explain then why the conversations show that they "owe" you something rather than just giving you stuff for free?
ZeJesus	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:46:00 - [49] Benefactor: Sorry for convoing you. Don't you want a **load of ISK? Loser: Hi! No probs. Just send it over. Benefactor: Okay. Stay put. Here it goes. Loser: ISK received. Thank you! Fly safe. Benefactor: ... Loser: What? Benefactor: err... Loser: Oh, yes. How come you are giving away so much ISK just like that? Benefactor: You know how it is. Been there, done that. I'm bored to hell. So I'm giving away my **. Loser: I see. So... it was nice talking to you. Benefactor:
Fi1ippo	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:48:00 - [50] I understand and respect peoples oppinions and reluctancy on the matter, truth be told i was just looking for GM response or support via the petition...just a confirmation that its being looked in to so im not treading water. I also understand that posting here is asking for scrutiny from the player base, i accept that. If i was in your position, i would do the same thing you all are doing right now. I am willing to defend my innocence on the matter, because i know i am innocent even if i am standing alone. Since i went through official channels already, id be happy to stay here and discuss this more but from the advice that was given earlier ill just let CCP handle the situation from their end. Not backing down, just wont be posting any more stuff that may get this locked.

True Sight THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:53:00 - [51] Edited by: True Sight on 02/12/2010 22:54:57 Originally by: Fi1ippo I have nothing to hide. Apart from, if you are lying, the fact you brought ISK. -------------------------------------- True Sight President Foiritan Emissary --<<!SUPPORT DRONES!>>--
Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:53:00 - [52] Posting here is hampering any empathy we might have for you. Apathy setting in ... but we all know mistakes are made. Relax, GMs only human and they will return your character as it were when it got taken if the mistake is really theirs. Hoppit!
Ifly Uwalk Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:55:00 - [53] Originally by: Fi1ippo And what gold farmer/ISK farmer actually speaks understandable English in coherant sentances. A lot of RMTers come from the US. . . . Oh, wait... now I see what you did there. P.S.: coherent sentences Yeah, I'm nit-picking but then - English is not my native tongue.
Talonyc a'Tsuj	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:56:00 - [54] Originally by: Fi1ippo I understand and respect peoples oppinions and reluctancy on the matter, truth be told i was just looking for GM response or support via the petition...just a confirmation that its being looked in to so im not treading water. I also understand that posting here is asking for scrutiny from the player base, i accept that. If i was in your position, i would do the same thing you all are doing right now. I am willing to defend my innocence on the matter, because i know i am innocent even if i am standing alone. Since i went through official channels already, id be happy to stay here and discuss this more but from the advice that was given earlier ill just let CCP handle the situation from their end. Not backing down, just wont be posting any more stuff that may get this locked. Even if what you are stating is true there is no possible way for players to help you out in any way. If it helps you: people get convicted IRL all the time for stuff they are not guilty of.
El Liptonez Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:59:00 - [55] Lol even I can fake better chatlogs.
Triple Entendre	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:00:00 - [56] Wait, logs? You must be newer than we're giving you credit for. Originally by: CCP Zulu You're assuming I read threads before I turdpost in them :)
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:08:00 - [57] Originally by: Fi1ippo --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16366126 Channel Name: Private Chat (TheVault007) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.11.20 20:36:10 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.11.20 20:36:19 ] TheVault007 > sry, was the wrong character [ 2010.11.20 20:36:22 ] TheVault007 > my bad [ 2010.11.20 20:36:29 ] Fi1ippo > ok [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept [ 2010.11.20 20:36:56 ] TheVault007 > Mexallon [ 2010.11.20 20:37:03 ] TheVault007 > this should be right [ 2010.11.20 20:37:15 ] TheVault007 > ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest [ 2010.11.20 20:37:21 ] Fi1ippo > yea its right, thanks. Alright thanks, no rush at all im just glad i was lucky enough to message you in time lol I, too, buy some minerals at exorbitant prices from my friends when I want to gift them ISK. Originally by: Manny (quoted from kugu) Deposit by Various Means? There are several ways to funnel ISK around Eve. My personal favorite is the contract system. Using characters to spy on other alliances over the years has taught me how to move isk on and off of spy toons without leaving a trace. All over Eve there are contracts made for exorbitant amounts for virtually nothing. A item exchange for a noobship for a billion ISK. A market order for a module or ship greatly overmarked. To the naked eye and too CCP these simply look like a scam and a good portion are good ole ~honest~ scammers. However though moving isk in these manners provides a veil of protection for seller and buyer. If ever asked the buyer is a scammer and of course the seller is the poor sap that was scammed. You being honest would imply someone wanted to get you into trouble with CCP for whatever reasons he might have had. You having bought ISK is the far more plausible explanation.
KaarBaak Minmatar Seatec Astronomy	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:12:00 - [58] Originally by: Fi1ippo The chat log Channel ID: -16366126 Channel Name: Private Chat (TheVault007) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.11.20 20:36:10 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.11.20 20:36:19 ] TheVault007 > sry, was the wrong character [ 2010.11.20 20:36:22 ] TheVault007 > my bad [ 2010.11.20 20:36:29 ] Fi1ippo > ok [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept [ 2010.11.20 20:36:56 ] TheVault007 > Mexallon [ 2010.11.20 20:37:03 ] TheVault007 > this should be right [ 2010.11.20 20:37:15 ] TheVault007 > ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest [ 2010.11.20 20:37:21 ] Fi1ippo > yea its right, thanks. Alright thanks, no rush at all im just glad i was lucky enough to message you in time lol --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16711280 Channel Name: Private Chat (Paisan) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.12.01 23:32:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.12.01 23:32:26 ] Paisan > hey [ 2010.12.01 23:32:40 ] Fi1ippo > hi [ 2010.12.01 23:32:45 ] Paisan > just as i promsied, here is the money. this game is just taking up too much time [ 2010.12.01 23:32:47 ] Fi1ippo > ty, yeah i understand, i was playing warcraft before this. [ 2010.12.01 23:33:55 ] Paisan > yeah, its just time to move on. Good luck bud [ 2010.12.01 23:34:20 ] Fi1ippo > K so we're good? Thanks man, thanks for everything And a message from his cash cow..just like in other mmos, when you have a bank to store money. --------------------------------------------------------------- If the ISK was purchased by himthen thats what they should say, I didnt purchase it, but i did accept this trade which was made without any forms of real money. FYP Chronological order FTW. KB Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:15:00 - [59] Edited by: Grimpak on 02/12/2010 23:15:50 /devil's advocate on it can be that fi1ippo was really used as a isk laundry vector without his knowledge. either that, or the story's not fully told. /devil's advocate mode off either way, fi1ippo broke the first and second rules of EVE and he paid for it. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:19:00 - [60] Originally by: KaarBaak FYP Chronological order FTW. KB That certainly clears things up. But it does make the "get you the rest" and "just as i promsied" bits make more sense. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.

Alun Hughes Project Nemesis	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:20:00 - [61] Originally by: Fi1ippo And what gold farmer/ISK farmer actually speaks understandable English in coherant sentances. Uusally its just one or two word phrases. Im sure you would have experince...ya know from when you spoke the the isk farmer you bought isk from.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:22:00 - [62] Originally by: Fi1ippo 1. I am still not familiar with contracts as of yet, i was just told that its a common way to give money and items. 2. Not backing down, just wont be posting any more stuff that may get this locked. No idiot transfer money through contracts when it's easier to to right-click > Give money. If the benefactor is the genuine article, he would at the very least : a) Right-click give money b) Contract all valuable items to you at 0 isk. Emphasis on valuable, not 1 mexallon unit. Despite not being familiar with contracts, you seem awfully familiar with the EVE forum. <Red Flag> And finally, if some random guy gave you items/isk and it gets taken away, you've lost nothing - hence there should be no need to post this drama on GD .... which you did .... which means you've lost something. <Red Flag>
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:27:00 - [63] Originally by: Alun Hughes Originally by: Fi1ippo And what gold farmer/ISK farmer actually speaks understandable English in coherant sentances. Uusally its just one or two word phrases. Im sure you would have experince...ya know from when you spoke the the isk farmer you bought isk from. you would be talking to the broker not to the farmer.
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:28:00 - [64] Originally by: Sturmwolke And finally, if some random guy gave you items/isk and it gets taken away, you've lost nothing - hence there should be no need to post this drama on GD .... which you did .... which means you've lost something. <Red Flag> Actually, the punishment for isk buying is a negative wallet, usually in the negative billions.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:30:00 - [65] Edited by: Forum Guy on 02/12/2010 23:32:27 Originally by: stoicfaux Let's be honest and realistic. Anyone who gives away all their stuff to a complete n00b stranger is a nice person. There are no nice people in Eve. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle! Well I once gave 2 billion to a guy who was new, but at that time it was just toy money to me (no PLEX at the time). Then deleted the character also gave him the best part of a billion in goods. Still no regrets, it's only a game after all. Point I'm making here of course is genuine transactions take place without the person giving, receiving anything other than a thank you.
KaarBaak Minmatar Seatec Astronomy	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:32:00 - [66] Originally by: Alun Hughes Originally by: Fi1ippo And what gold farmer/ISK farmer actually speaks understandable English in coherant sentances. Uusally its just one or two word phrases. Im sure you would have experince...ya know from when you spoke the the isk farmer you bought isk from. Also, since the OP has apparent detailed knowledge of how RMT transactions work, he should know that S.O.P. is selling a low value item for the large sum of gold/plat/isk in any game. It creates a paper trail for them to turn-in at the end of their shift. KB BTW...it's also a well-known fact that most RMTers are Canadians. French Canadiennes, to be specific. Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
Gogela Freeport Exploration	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:32:00 - [67] I'm not really sure what flags a person as an isk buyer, but what I can say is that I have billions coming and going from this toon all the time (sometimes buying expensive things, sometimes from market orders, sometimes me just giving isk to corp mates or whatever) and have never been accused of isk selling/buying. I've been playing for a while, yet there are a great many capsuleers out there who would think my wallet and market presence are a joke. EvE has players that have hundreds of billions of isk in their wallets doing market and indy smack I'll never understand which inherently requires huge sums of isk to go all over the place on a daily basis. They aren't getting accused of isk buying either. I guess my thought here is that there must be something going on that you haven't mentioned that resulted in your having been flagged.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:36:00 - [68] Originally by: Tyber Zaan Actually, the punishment for isk buying is a negative wallet, usually in the negative billions. Yes, we all know that. As people say, easy come, easy go. ... but check the OP out : Originally by: Fi1ippo "I dont mind a mistake, but i will take it seriously if im just left out in the cold."

GM Horse	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:40:00 - [69] Edited by: GM Horse on 02/12/2010 23:39:53 Originally by: Tyber Zaan Actually, the punishment for isk buying is a negative wallet, usually in the negative billions. This is incorrect. We only remove the amount that was purchased. No additional ISK is removed. Note however that repeated or severe ISK buying will result in a ban being placed against all of the offender's accounts. As for the OP, if you are dissatisfied with the handling of your petition or disagree with the GM's verdict, please ask for the petition to be escalated to a Senior Gamemaster for review. If you haven't already filed a petition, please do so. We can unfortunately offer no assistance through the forums.

ILikeMarkets	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:40:00 - [70] Originally by: Gogela I guess my thought here is that there must be something going on that you haven't mentioned that resulted in your having been flagged. Yea- that the person who "donated" this isk had their IP or account flagged as being an isk seller and CCP is banning anyone they "donate" isk to. This must be his first time getting caught in a game, because once you realize the methods used to catch folks who do RMT, you realize that coming to forums and whining and feigning ignorance simply doesn't work.

Ganagati Caldari Zebra Corp	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:42:00 - [71] Originally by: GM Horse Edited by: GM Horse on 02/12/2010 23:39:53 Originally by: Tyber Zaan Actually, the punishment for isk buying is a negative wallet, usually in the negative billions. This is incorrect. We only remove the amount that was purchased. No additional ISK is removed. Note however that repeated or severe ISK buying will result in a ban being placed against all of the offender's accounts. As for the OP, if you are dissatisfied with the handling of your petition or disagree with the GM's verdict, please ask for the petition to be escalated to a Senior Gamemaster for review. If you haven't already filed a petition, please do so. We can unfortunately offer no assistance through the forums. How come some of you guys come up blue and some come up red?
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:45:00 - [72] GMs are red, Devs are blue Given teh chance I'd RMT too. (not) [html]http://skilltrainingcomplete.com/users/flair/1417.html[/html]
gfldex	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:45:00 - [73] Some strager is offering candy. Do you take it?(y/n)
Ganagati Caldari Zebra Corp	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Given teh chance I'd RMT too It's called PLEX >_>
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:49:00 - [75] Edited by: Tippia on 02/12/2010 23:49:17 Bah. Beaten by ages by the GMà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:51:00 - [76] Edited by: Yuki Kulotsuki on 02/12/2010 23:51:33 Originally by: Ganagati How come some of you guys come up blue and some come up red? GM Dev Chribba P.S. Horse, I hope you make an equally amusing face with the new character creator. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Sorlac Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:52:00 - [77] Originally by: Sturmwolke Originally by: Fi1ippo Despite not being familiar with contracts, you seem awfully familiar with the EVE forum. <Red Flag> I'm honestly confused on what one has to do with the other in this statement. I've lurked on these forums for a few years now and have no idea how the contract system works in game (never had to use it so haven't bothered with it). So how exactly is being familiar with the forums and not being familiar with the contract system a red flag?
Flesh Slurper	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:53:00 - [78] Originally by: Fi1ippo The chat log --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16711280 Channel Name: Private Chat (Paisan) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.12.01 23:32:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.12.01 23:32:26 ] Paisan > hey [ 2010.12.01 23:32:40 ] Fi1ippo > hi [ 2010.12.01 23:32:45 ] Paisan > just as i promsied, here is the money. this game is just taking up too much time [ 2010.12.01 23:32:47 ] Fi1ippo > ty, yeah i understand, i was playing warcraft before this. [ 2010.12.01 23:33:55 ] Paisan > yeah, its just time to move on. Good luck bud [ 2010.12.01 23:34:20 ] Fi1ippo > K so we're good? Thanks man, thanks for everything And a message from his cash cow..just like in other mmos, when you have a bank to store money. --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -16366126 Channel Name: Private Chat (TheVault007) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.11.20 20:36:10 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2010.11.20 20:36:19 ] TheVault007 > sry, was the wrong character [ 2010.11.20 20:36:22 ] TheVault007 > my bad [ 2010.11.20 20:36:29 ] Fi1ippo > ok [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept [ 2010.11.20 20:36:56 ] TheVault007 > Mexallon [ 2010.11.20 20:37:03 ] TheVault007 > this should be right [ 2010.11.20 20:37:15 ] TheVault007 > ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest [ 2010.11.20 20:37:21 ] Fi1ippo > yea its right, thanks. Alright thanks, no rush at all im just glad i was lucky enough to message you in time lol If the ISK was purchased by himthen thats what they should say, I didnt purchase it, but i did accept this trade which was made without any forms of real money. Your chat logs make you look worse than had you not posted them. Why would someone give you a huge chunk isk via an overbloated contract for minerals? If someone was quitting, they wouldn't need the minerals, they would just transfer the isk to you. If someone wanted you to have isk now, why do a contract? Also, who would trust someone named "The Vault 007"? "Fi1ippo > K so we're good?" indicates he gave you the isk in exchange for something. Why would he owe you? Face it, you bought isk and now the hammer of justice took the isk back. Learn from the mistake and move on.
Rabid Longcat	Posted - 2010.12.03 00:10:00 - [79] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Seems legit!?
Arianna Comnenus	Posted - 2010.12.03 00:44:00 - [80] Next time go to Shattered Crystal and get an ETC. In PLEX we trust.

Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.12.03 00:51:00 - [81] Originally by: Sorlac I'm honestly confused on what one has to do with the other in this statement. I've lurked on these forums for a few years now and have no idea how the contract system works in game (never had to use it so haven't bothered with it). So how exactly is being familiar with the forums and not being familiar with the contract system a red flag? The OP's aware (see post #50) of how EVE forums threads are locked and the attention/trolling he'd be getting from posting in GD. So, he's likely to have been lurking around and playing EVE for quite some time. Any typical newbies or non-regulars to the EVE forum wouldn't bat an eye or worry at any sort of moderation. Therefore, if you've been playing EVE for some time, whether regularly or irregularly, you wouldn't write " ... i was just told that its a common way to give money and items", simply because you SHOULD KNOW how to transfer money to another player after a few weeks play (unless you're impossibly thick). The word money shouldn't even be in that sentence. So, in all likelyhood, it is a feigned sentence.
Big Jobs	Posted - 2010.12.03 00:54:00 - [82] BIG JOBS> Hello MR X> Yes also Hello BIG JOBS> Yes MR X> Well then BIG JOBS> Yes MR X> You seem nice man BIG JOBS> Yes MR X> Here have my macherial BIG JOBS> Yes MR X> I am tire of things ok? BIG JOBS> Agreed MR X> Bye to you BIG JOBS> Goodbye
Forum Guy	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:03:00 - [83] Originally by: Flesh Slurper Also, who would trust someone named "The Vault 007"? Actually a lot of WoW players might if new to this game. There are many bank characters in WoW only the name would have been Thevault.
Zaboth Garadath Amarr Ore Extraction Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:09:00 - [84] Edited by: Zaboth Garadath on 03/12/2010 01:14:40 obvious fake logs is obvious... Quote: [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept That reply must have been typed at 420 words/min _____________________________________________ 'If you really want to make someone hate you, explain to them, logically and politely, why they are wrong' - J. Baylock
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:12:00 - [85] Hi. I recently received a large amount of ISK from an ISK seller who claimed he was not selling me the ISK in chat logs. Why am I banned? For being a ****ty liar.
Corndog Sandwich GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:15:00 - [86] Meh I transfer millions and sometimes a billion or two isk between my character all the time and have never had a problem. Its because they can reliably track the isk and tell if it was farmed by the player or if they bought it. When they check accounts and see they are owned by the same person and then check that the isk was made legitimately then you have nothing to fear. Of course when they check and see that your friend got the isk from some random guy named "jfjfsdafsd" with 50b in his wallet sending isk to random people then its a dead giveaway! Sounds like your friend bought isk... too bad maybe you should tell him to actually go out and make isk himself
Forum Guy	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:24:00 - [87] Originally by: Corndog Sandwich Meh I transfer millions and sometimes a billion or two isk between my character all the time and have never had a problem. Its because they can reliably track the isk and tell if it was farmed by the player or if they bought it. When they check accounts and see they are owned by the same person and then check that the isk was made legitimately then you have nothing to fear. Of course when they check and see that your friend got the isk from some random guy named "jfjfsdafsd" with 50b in his wallet sending isk to random people then its a dead giveaway! Sounds like your friend bought isk... too bad maybe you should tell him to actually go out and make isk himself When I gave away the 2 billion to someone I did not know and that would have been a different IP address (don't know if they check that). But there was no problem with the transfer so yeah they must know which ones are legit.
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:35:00 - [88] Originally by: Fi1ippo Edited by: Fi1ippo on 02/12/2010 21:47:12 Edited by: Fi1ippo on 02/12/2010 21:45:50 Afternoon, I apologize to bring this here to the forums but honestly i am a bit new and i am not sure where else to go after sending in an in game petition and a petiton via regular email to EVE support. I need to get my situation into the eyes of customer support and this seems to be the only way to do it. I was recently the victim of a mistake made by one of your GMs and im in need of some answers, as well as proof to these allegations that i purchased ISK. You took actions based on logs (which i have logs too, and i sent them to your support department) and assumptions which are false. I very quickly found and sent in the proof of the conversation logs between myself and the person i was initiating the trade with, and its clear that he was not selling me anything at all but giving it away. Since he was far away from my location we did the trades via contract...as i am told is a common way to trade ISK and items in EVE. Yes it was a lot of ISK and i can see how it might look suspicious, but the proof is right there...since EVE records everything i was able (thanks to the help of a friendly corp member) to locate the chat logs pertaining to both events in question and sent them in via email to online support. If you are doing an investigation with that proof, or if you are simply ignoring it, either way i need to know because quite frankly being in the hole -800mil because of your mistake is starting to take its toll in frustration. I understand people make mistakes and CCP is trying its best to avoid these things...but it happens. To everyone. Now all i ask is that i get a fair chance to prove myself innocent and get my playing experience back. Im not sure where else to turn, but I havnt even recieved any kind of indication from a GM that its even being looked in to...and thats whats annoying me the most. So id appreciate if customer support can get this going. I dont mind a mistake, but i will take it seriously if im just left out in the cold. well thats nice. i recently transferred 75 billion from one account to another and didnt get flagged but i have a nice history of tech 2 bpo sales. Curious did you have something as cool as that? Damage control via forums is nice. Damage control via actual traceable assets is another.... good luck.
Nilithan Minmatar Red Federation	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:41:00 - [89] Originally by: stoicfaux Let's be honest and realistic. Anyone who gives away all their stuff to a complete n00b stranger is a nice person. There are no nice people in Eve. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle! I have met alot of nice people in eve :D
Nuniki Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:57:00 - [90] haha. why would you use contracts for isk? sounds fishy, ontop of the already very fishy circumstances (person just giving away isk, spending it immediately, etc)

mmmPork	Posted - 2010.12.03 02:28:00 - [91] Originally by: Fi1ippo Edited by: Fi1ippo on 02/12/2010 21:47:12 Edited by: Fi1ippo on 02/12/2010 21:45:50 Afternoon, I apologize to bring this here to the forums but honestly i am a bit new and i am not sure where else to go after sending in an in game petition and a petiton via regular email to EVE support. I need to get my situation into the eyes of customer support and this seems to be the only way to do it. I was recently the victim of a mistake made by one of your GMs and im in need of some answers, as well as proof to these allegations that i purchased ISK. You took actions based on logs (which i have logs too, and i sent them to your support department) and assumptions which are false. I very quickly found and sent in the proof of the conversation logs between myself and the person i was initiating the trade with, and its clear that he was not selling me anything at all but giving it away. Since he was far away from my location we did the trades via contract...as i am told is a common way to trade ISK and items in EVE. Yes it was a lot of ISK and i can see how it might look suspicious, but the proof is right there...since EVE records everything i was able (thanks to the help of a friendly corp member) to locate the chat logs pertaining to both events in question and sent them in via email to online support. If you are doing an investigation with that proof, or if you are simply ignoring it, either way i need to know because quite frankly being in the hole -800mil because of your mistake is starting to take its toll in frustration. I understand people make mistakes and CCP is trying its best to avoid these things...but it happens. To everyone. Now all i ask is that i get a fair chance to prove myself innocent and get my playing experience back. Im not sure where else to turn, but I havnt even recieved any kind of indication from a GM that its even being looked in to...and thats whats annoying me the most. So id appreciate if customer support can get this going. I dont mind a mistake, but i will take it seriously if im just left out in the cold. You need more of me in your diet.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:25:00 - [92] Originally by: mmmPork You need more of me in your diet. Who doesn't? (answer: terrorists)
rewrtdfgdf	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:29:00 - [93] It is interesting that no one before KB noticed the log was in reverse order. It's incredibly telling, he didn't switch to a bank character BEFORE he gave you the first set now did he? So much discussion on possible innocence but not a lot of consideration for actual innocence.
Shepard Book Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:34:00 - [94] Originally by: rewrtdfgdf It is interesting that no one before KB noticed the log was in reverse order. It's incredibly telling, he didn't switch to a bank character BEFORE he gave you the first set now did he? So much discussion on possible innocence but not a lot of consideration for actual innocence. nice Alt or should I say farmer of an Alt. Guilt by association. Cya lates
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:55:00 - [95] Originally by: Fi1ippo Edited by: Fi1ippo on 02/12/2010 21:47:12 Edited by: Fi1ippo on 02/12/2010 21:45:50 Afternoon, I apologize to bring this here to the forums but honestly i am a bit new and i am not sure where else to go after sending in an in game petition and a petiton via regular email to EVE support. I need to get my situation into the eyes of customer support and this seems to be the only way to do it. I was recently the victim of a mistake made by one of your GMs and im in need of some answers, as well as proof to these allegations that i purchased ISK. You took actions based on logs (which i have logs too, and i sent them to your support department) and assumptions which are false. I very quickly found and sent in the proof of the conversation logs between myself and the person i was initiating the trade with, and its clear that he was not selling me anything at all but giving it away. Since he was far away from my location we did the trades via contract...as i am told is a common way to trade ISK and items in EVE. Yes it was a lot of ISK and i can see how it might look suspicious, but the proof is right there...since EVE records everything i was able (thanks to the help of a friendly corp member) to locate the chat logs pertaining to both events in question and sent them in via email to online support. If you are doing an investigation with that proof, or if you are simply ignoring it, either way i need to know because quite frankly being in the hole -800mil because of your mistake is starting to take its toll in frustration. I understand people make mistakes and CCP is trying its best to avoid these things...but it happens. To everyone. Now all i ask is that i get a fair chance to prove myself innocent and get my playing experience back. Im not sure where else to turn, but I havnt even recieved any kind of indication from a GM that its even being looked in to...and thats whats annoying me the most. So id appreciate if customer support can get this going. I dont mind a mistake, but i will take it seriously if im just left out in the cold. Fascinating story. Sounds like you bought ISK.
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:05:00 - [96] Where's the CCP Prism X/GM Nova death combo when you need it? ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:21:00 - [97] The timestamps give it away.
Derelicht	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:28:00 - [98] On the bright side, think of all the time you'll save by leaving. Oh, and please do not question moderation. Thanks.
Jenny Jihad Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:56:00 - [99] Pish posh... So 2007
ClaritySam	Posted - 2010.12.03 05:02:00 - [100] Originally by: Taedrin Where's the CCP Prism X/GM Nova death combo when you need it? That thread is MUCH funnier than this one.

Slavemaster	Posted - 2010.12.03 06:58:00 - [101]
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.12.03 07:11:00 - [102] Edited by: Akita T on 03/12/2010 07:14:24 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: mmmPork You need more of me in your diet. Who doesn't? (answer: terrorists) Well, technically they could certainly make use of some So the correct answer would be "people that only eat pork and nothing else", they don't need more for sure AS FOR THE O.P. You should resolve the situation through the proper channels, that being a petition, then a petition escalation, and so on and so forth until you are satisfied with the result. Bringing this to the forums has SELDOM ended well for those that did it. In your particular case, there is absolutely NO exonerating evidence whatsoever in your alleged logs (even if the logs would be genuine)... receiving any form of gift from somebody banned for RMT is punishable and reversible, regardless of circumstances. Next time, be more careful who you receive "free stuff" from. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2010.12.03 07:17:00 - [103] Usually they left heaps obvious isk farmers alone(surely they're online and farming more than 8 hours everyday), but ban innocent new players ramdonly(Some of them may never have a transaction more than 300m). Just assume the purpose of this is trying to telling people they are killing RMT but actually they are afraid to deal with old players who do billions RMT and dozens macro/manual farmers in Irjunen with CNR or 0.0 alliances with raven.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.12.03 07:52:00 - [104] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: Drykor Do you really expect anyone to believe that THAT is an actual conversation and not a script you were supposed to follow? Lol... Please explain why the conversations don't match up with your story. From what it appears, the person in question owes you something, not simply giving it away. Nice try, but like 99.99999% of the forum posts about "zomg they took mah moneyz", this one is just another one of those "I got caught so I'm going to make an ass out of myself on the forums and that will make them reverse their decision" threads. + 1 and the dialague tryts too hard to look casual ... they sentences anticipate each correct response.. no extraneuos words or thoughts as in most convo's
LittleTerror Dashavatara	Posted - 2010.12.03 08:09:00 - [105] Originally by: Zaboth Garadath Edited by: Zaboth Garadath on 03/12/2010 01:14:40 obvious fake logs is obvious... Quote: [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept That reply must have been typed at 420 words/min Holy **** 1 sec... Well spotted! Obviously a copy paste job.
Andrea Exerlauka	Posted - 2010.12.03 08:11:00 - [106] It doesn't really matter whether you are innocent or not, if the ISK comes from RMT, you aren't getting it back. Next time, be more wary when accepting free money from strangers, and don't spend it all immediately in any case.
sue denim	Posted - 2010.12.03 08:42:00 - [107] Originally by: Nuniki haha. why would you use contracts for isk? sounds fishy, ontop of the already very fishy circumstances (person just giving away isk, spending it immediately, etc) contracts for isk is a great for keeping track of stuff if needed to, I don't really ever use em myself but have ran into ppl that sent me money this way.
Omal Omal	Posted - 2010.12.03 09:58:00 - [108] Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: William Cooly Any logs posted are assumed to have been modified unless posted by CCP. Thats one way out i suppose, never being able to post proof because its been "modified". So, are you waving your privacy rights and requesting a public inquiry into the matter at hand? If so, please reply with the following statement: CCP, please state publicly why I have been banned. Feel free to post logs in order to prove or deny my innocence. If I'm found innocent, this would help clear my tarnished name.
Gecko O'Bac Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.03 10:56:00 - [109] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Presumption of innocence. In EVE, it isn't. There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt. Also: Innocence proves nothing.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:06:00 - [110] Meh GM Horse sucks, GM Nova is much cooler after him and PrismX trashed an ISK buyers "I'm Innocent QQ" thread and posted the full story on how he bought the ISK to shut him up.

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:10:00 - [111] Originally by: Taedrin Where's the CCP Prism X/GM Nova death combo when you need it? I was hoping for that when I posted this but he didn't bite.
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:13:00 - [112] Careful what you wish for. The Prism X / GM Nova combo can be rather discomfortable if you whine loud enough. It's not that hard - dont buy isk. If you absolutely positively NEED to buy isk, use PLEX. As it all adds up and one day when CCP finds you with your hand in their cookie yar they will spank you and then look into your transaction history and then spank you for every time you have ever bought isk. And that be damn lot of spanking. As regular sobstories about 'innocent' victims in the forums prove.
Rian O'Shea	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:18:00 - [113] If I would want to mask my RMT transactions I would also open chat and fake a "legit" conversation, just like the OP did. --- The whole problem with the universe is that fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubt.
Jasdemi Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:23:00 - [114] Was your Chinese friend banned?
Gay Greatness	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:30:00 - [115] They're not the police. They don't require evidence. They require only that their egos be satisfied and that any of their friend's in game accounts get preferential treatment. Suck it up tbh. Get a GM account like everybody else and start meta gaming like a boss. Titans < GM accounts.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:36:00 - [116] Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: William Cooly Any logs posted are assumed to have been modified unless posted by CCP. Thats one way out i suppose, never being able to post proof because its been "modified". Post your full API. Then we can see your journal & contract history without you being able to modify it. Until you do that, then I'm afraid all you're going to get is "Dont buy ISK, genius" Because we have all seen dozens of threads like this, and every single time, without exception, it turns out that the ISK in question was purchased. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:45:00 - [117] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 03/12/2010 11:45:50 - Appears as newbie but shows deep knowledge about RMT (ie the "coherent English, the "they do in WoW")... how do you know RMTers are not meant to talk in English if you did not buy money before? - Despite the RMT knowledge, still accepts money from an obvious bank character that pastes English answers in under a second (see log times, if the log is not tampered to begin with). - Too good forum posting management for true newb - Game logs don't say what could have been setup outside of the game, maybe on a (voice) chat - The money seller could have been a known suspect to CCP and they setup a trigger to see when he acted. When the RMTer tried to launder money the trap clicked. Finally, CCP tend to not care for illegal practices like heavy and reported botting etc. etc. until they switch to selling the farmed stuff for RL cash and compete with CCP's "legalized RMT" aka PLEX. If CCP acted it's because the OP was really competing for something they cared about => cash. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Yonnoth Assassination Squad	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:53:00 - [118] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 03/12/2010 11:53:58 TheVault007 - like 6 day old character. Sig --- Quote: Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. ... That's the whole point of high security.
Obsession Paranoia	Posted - 2010.12.03 12:44:00 - [119] ROFL, you bought ISK from "http://www.swagvault.com". How do I know that? I bought SWG gold from there years ago, and guess what their dude was called? TheVault104. LOL.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.12.03 12:56:00 - [120] Heh, obvious isk buying is obvious...

Dukkhada	Posted - 2010.12.03 13:19:00 - [121] [ 2010.12.01 23:32:26 ] Dukkhada > hey [ 2010.12.01 23:32:40 ] Fi1ippo > hi [ 2010.12.01 23:32:45 ] Dukkhada > Send me all your stuff [ 2010.12.01 23:32:47 ] Fi1ippo > zOMG ok since you're all amazing and probably the most awesome person in the world ever [ 2010.12.01 23:33:55 ] Dukkhada > yeah, its just time to move on. Good luck bud [ 2010.12.01 23:34:20 ] Fi1ippo > K so we're good? Thanks man, thanks for everything [ 2010.12.01 23:34:21 ] Dukkhada > No worries, no one will know that you like Cher [ 2010.12.01 23:34:22 ] Fi1ippo > Phew what about the other thing? [ 2010.12.01 23:34:23 ] Dukkhada > That you dress up like that nun from the sound of music? no promises. [ 2010.12.01 23:34:24 ] Fi1ippo > I'll give you my house and car [ 2010.12.01 23:34:25 ] Dukkhada > No one will ever know) Chat logs posted on forums:Proof of everything.
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2010.12.03 13:20:00 - [122] Wow, when i thought there was nothing sweeter than carebear tears, RMT beat them hands down! Thats such obvious isk buying, lol. If I ever got caught doing anything so silly i'd be too embarassed to come to the public forums. Guess this is a classic tale of your lies catching you out. On a side note, he could of potentially lost alot more than 800mil, he may of bought a gazillion isk - all his wallet being at -800 million means he only got to spend of it.
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.12.03 15:38:00 - [123] What OP doesn't seem to realise, is that we are all much, much more likely to believe CCP than some random whiner. Even if your post was true in every way, you still wouldn't be believed. That's the way it goes.
captain foivos	Posted - 2010.12.03 16:03:00 - [124] ITT: OP posts chatlogs of his conversations with a money trader to prove he didn't RMT. Classy.
Ticarus Hellbrandt	Posted - 2010.12.03 16:16:00 - [125] Most humorous thread in a while lol... op posts chatlogs of himself accepting his 'friend' is leaving and giving stuff to him almost 2 weeks after the trading chatlog.
captainbatmanawesome	Posted - 2010.12.03 16:41:00 - [126] well lets take a look at your contract history.. don't see that mex one there, hmm odd lets look at the other parties involved thevault007 2 contracts for plush compounds accepting a contract from huasan, huasan offering 8,920 isk for 65,700 plush compound. good deal.. lets look at huasans contract history.. wow lot of really freaky weird buys from some person named Dopiaod piles of small items all for 2.5-4.some odd each well that's real odd, he doesn't even claim the items for delivery. Hmmm Lets look at Dopiaod's contract history then what have we got here no? Oh my, that's one very very peculiar history Piles of Tech 1 meta 1 modules sold one at a time for far too much all to the same characters. items not claimed but isk is sent anyways.. hesdps pogodve csttyy huasan dabawes novkurt tureika cokakey yupertor and the list continues that's quite the farm network, perhaps a centralizing hub for isk. I leave following those contacts and contracts even further as an exorcise for the reader.
captain foivos	Posted - 2010.12.03 16:44:00 - [127] Originally by: captainbatmanawesome Great stuff Have you considered a career as a detective? Originally by: CCP Greyscale You won't see us coming until it's too late to do anything about it.
William Cooly Sol Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.03 16:58:00 - [128] Originally by: captainbatmanawesome Elementary my dear Watson. Christ. Keep going, CCP will hire you to bust people and pay your wages in isk. - I troll stupid people.
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:01:00 - [129] Originally by: captainbatmanawesome well lets take a look at your contract history.. don't see that mex one there, hmm odd lets look at the other parties involved thevault007 2 contracts for plush compounds accepting a contract from huasan, huasan offering 8,920 isk for 65,700 plush compound. good deal.. lets look at huasans contract history.. wow lot of really freaky weird buys from some person named Dopiaod piles of small items all for 2.5-4.some odd each well that's real odd, he doesn't even claim the items for delivery. Hmmm Lets look at Dopiaod's contract history then what have we got here no? Oh my, that's one very very peculiar history Piles of Tech 1 meta 1 modules sold one at a time for far too much all to the same characters. items not claimed but isk is sent anyways.. hesdps pogodve csttyy huasan dabawes novkurt tureika cokakey yupertor and the list continues that's quite the farm network, perhaps a centralizing hub for isk. I leave following those contacts and contracts even further as an exorcise for the reader. I personally like the names generated by the faceroll-on-keyboard algorithm. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
captainbatmanawesome	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:04:00 - [130] Originally by: captain foivos Originally by: captainbatmanawesome Great stuff Have you considered a career as a detective? nah I'm batman I would suggest looking at the corp involved though. good times.

Johnny Wander	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:14:00 - [131] Originally by: captainbatmanawesome nah I'm batman You're the coolest person I've seen all day. ... And I Wander Away
Derelicht	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:21:00 - [132] Edited by: Derelicht on 03/12/2010 17:21:56 Originally by: Taedrin I personally like the names generated by the faceroll-on-keyboard algorithm. You made me chortle. Well done. Whilst I'm here; ibtl
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:33:00 - [133] Originally by: sue denim Originally by: Nuniki haha. why would you use contracts for isk? sounds fishy, ontop of the already very fishy circumstances (person just giving away isk, spending it immediately, etc) contracts for isk is a great for keeping track of stuff if needed to, I don't really ever use em myself but have ran into ppl that sent me money this way. Because the wallet journal doesn't track any transfer of isk between characters, or allow a reason for the transfer to be put in. ... Oh wait... ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:34:00 - [134] Om prost este prost. Dirty Little Slave, reporting for duty!
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:41:00 - [135] Originally by: captainbatmanawesome well lets take a look at your contract history.. don't see that mex one there, hmm odd lets look at the other parties involved thevault007 2 contracts for plush compounds accepting a contract from huasan, huasan offering 8,920 isk for 65,700 plush compound. good deal.. lets look at huasans contract history.. wow lot of really freaky weird buys from some person named Dopiaod piles of small items all for 2.5-4.some odd each well that's real odd, he doesn't even claim the items for delivery. Hmmm Lets look at Dopiaod's contract history then what have we got here no? Oh my, that's one very very peculiar history Piles of Tech 1 meta 1 modules sold one at a time for far too much all to the same characters. items not claimed but isk is sent anyways.. hesdps pogodve csttyy huasan dabawes novkurt tureika cokakey yupertor and the list continues that's quite the farm network, perhaps a centralizing hub for isk. I leave following those contacts and contracts even further as an exorcise for the reader. Well done. Really, do people not realize how easy it is to track isk laundering once attention has been drawn to your account. Really?!? The whole thread would have been a waste of time even if the OP was telling the truth. It doesn't matter if he was completely innocent and genuine in accepting a gift from someone, if the doner got the isk he gave away illegally it would still be removed from the recipients wallet when discovered. Really folks, it's not rocket surgery... ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:58:00 - [136] Originally by: captainbatmanawesome well lets take a look at your contract history.. don't see that mex one there, hmm odd lets look at the other parties involved thevault007 2 contracts for plush compounds accepting a contract from huasan, huasan offering 8,920 isk for 65,700 plush compound. good deal.. lets look at huasans contract history.. wow lot of really freaky weird buys from some person named Dopiaod piles of small items all for 2.5-4.some odd each well that's real odd, he doesn't even claim the items for delivery. Hmmm Lets look at Dopiaod's contract history then what have we got here no? Oh my, that's one very very peculiar history Piles of Tech 1 meta 1 modules sold one at a time for far too much all to the same characters. items not claimed but isk is sent anyways.. hesdps pogodve csttyy huasan dabawes novkurt tureika cokakey yupertor and the list continues that's quite the farm network, perhaps a centralizing hub for isk. I leave following those contacts and contracts even further as an exorcise for the reader. Originally by: Malcanis Because we have all seen dozens of threads like this, and every single time, without exception, it turns out that the ISK in question was purchased. Your move, OP Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
captain foivos	Posted - 2010.12.03 18:03:00 - [137] Originally by: Ranger 1 Really folks, it's not rocket surgery... Originally by: CCP Greyscale You won't see us coming until it's too late to do anything about it.
Borun Tal Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.12.03 18:26:00 - [138] Originally by: Fi1ippo So id appreciate if customer support can get this going. I dont mind a mistake, but i will take it seriously if im just left out in the cold. Your bought isk in a way that violates the EULA, and got spanked for it. Quit whining, suck it up, and move on.
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust	Posted - 2010.12.03 18:35:00 - [139] Originally by: Grimpak either way, fi1ippo broke the first and second rules of EVE and he paid for it. Never talk about EVE and never get in-between CCP Oveur and a sale on tight-fitting jumpsuits? Quote: ImRedYoureDead > carebearing is when you make the other person's ship explode, right? ImRedYoureDead > I think they're officers or something ImRedYoureDead > they got names, they got to die
Borun Tal Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.12.03 18:48:00 - [140] Originally by: Lykouleon Originally by: Grimpak either way, fi1ippo broke the first and second rules of EVE and he paid for it. Never talk about EVE and never get in-between CCP Oveur and a sale on tight-fitting jumpsuits? Awesome, thanks, now I'll have that image in my head all day!

Hivsen Ng	Posted - 2010.12.03 19:30:00 - [141] Guess he finally realised he did not have the support of the community. Or he thought his genius chatlog plan was gonna prove his "innocence". So where are you Fi1ippo? Update us. No face? Figures.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.03 19:34:00 - [142] You can join my corp and work off your isk dept at a 1:2 ratio. When your ban is over, that is.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.12.03 19:36:00 - [143] Originally by: captainbatmanawesome Originally by: captain foivos Originally by: captainbatmanawesome Great stuff Have you considered a career as a detective? nah I'm batman Best reply ever captainbatmanawesome
BrooklynHaze	Posted - 2010.12.13 08:21:00 - [144] http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=TheVault007#kills this guy?
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.12.13 08:33:00 - [145] ask you self .. how does an char thats a month old get an insane amount of isk? Do not click this ad.
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.13 08:37:00 - [146] Originally by: BrooklynHaze http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=TheVault007#kills this guy? Seems like so - she sure loves traveling in drone regions. In the fastest way known to pod pilots - a pod express.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.12.13 08:43:00 - [147] Moving large sums of money from one character is more common than most think. I move 10s of billions from character to character with no apparent rhyme or reason every week. I've been doing this for years, as have many others. Not once has CCP made a peep about it. The point is, OP, that if they picked you out of the thousands of characters receiving large sums of ISK that day, they had a pretty good reason for it. They're good at spotting the RMT guys and they rarely make mistakes. Mr Epeen
Oska Drey	Posted - 2010.12.13 08:45:00 - [148] Originally by: Garia666 ask you self .. how does an char thats a month old get an insane amount of isk? Don't be daft. I can think of a dozen ways for a ONE DAY old character to have an insane (to you) amount of ISK. All legit.
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2010.12.13 08:55:00 - [149] Edited by: Cyaxares II on 13/12/2010 08:58:28 Edited by: Cyaxares II on 13/12/2010 08:55:28 Originally by: LittleTerror Originally by: Zaboth Garadath Edited by: Zaboth Garadath on 03/12/2010 01:14:40 obvious fake logs is obvious... Quote: [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept That reply must have been typed at 420 words/min Holy ** 1 sec... Well spotted! Obviously TheVault007 is a Mittani alt! FTFY edit: Originally by:** Malcanis Post your full API. Then we can see your journal & contract history without you being able to modify it. ahem ... no? (wish we could, though)
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.13 09:57:00 - [150] Originally by: Cyaxares II Originally by: Malcanis Post your full API. Then we can see your journal & contract history without you being able to modify it. ahem ... no? (wish we could, though) You can see wallet journal through adv api. However contract history does not need API - you can see it in game without any API needed.

zindeen	Posted - 2010.12.13 10:42:00 - [151] Well he did buy it it seem's... Though now the question is How much did he buy, as he seems really worked up over the -800M, I would love to know how much he picked up at the start... I am going to guess 3-4B. and second question I wonder if the seller he picked it up from gives refunds lol :)
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.13 11:27:00 - [152] Originally by: Grez FYI, my friend purchased ISK from the same place you did, and he got the ISK removed. They're well aware of this practice of making it look like a fake give-away. To be quite honest, me thinks you both deserve it :D. I knew it! LOL. These folks are so lame! IMHO, the OP should be really, really quiet, and thank whatever deity he adheres to that the GM didn't just ban his account. --
Anyura	Posted - 2010.12.13 11:36:00 - [153] Originally by: Rashmika Clavain GMs are red, Devs are blue Given teh chance I'd RMT too. (not) /applause
Rexthor Hammerfists Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.12.13 12:02:00 - [154] bad boy bad boy watcha gnna do watcha gonna do when they take the isk from you suck it up *****r -
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.12.13 12:07:00 - [155] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists bad boy bad boy watcha gnna do watcha gonna do when they take the isk from you suck it up *****r I see what you did there. Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.12.13 12:11:00 - [156] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Cyaxares II Originally by: Malcanis Post your full API. Then we can see your journal & contract history without you being able to modify it. ahem ... no? (wish we could, though) You can see wallet journal through adv api. However contract history does not need API - you can see it in game without any API needed. Not if the contracts are between two specific people. Public auctions/sell orders are visible, however. If I set up a contract to a specific person, nobody can see it, apart from the two parties involved. Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Alaizabel Bronstein	Posted - 2010.12.13 12:44:00 - [157] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Cyaxares II Originally by: Malcanis Post your full API. Then we can see your journal & contract history without you being able to modify it. ahem ... no? (wish we could, though) You can see wallet journal through adv api. However contract history does not need API - you can see it in game without any API needed. guess why I had set "contract history" in italics? also what McJubblies said. (too lazy to log out to switch forum alts)
Rian O'Shea	Posted - 2010.12.13 13:24:00 - [158] Severe case of YASPO! (Yet Another Self Pwnage by the OP). Kinda like this one --- The whole problem with the universe is that fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubt.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.13 13:38:00 - [159] talk about self ownage, yo! --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Tivookz Caldari Long Dong Corp United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.13 14:46:00 - [160] I would feel pity for you but like others have said.. fat chance that CCP would take action without solid proof. We're not stupid. You're here pretending to know nothing about anything in an attempt to get ur stuff back. Heh.. like I haven't seen people try that old trick before. You got caught, now you're (most likely) sorry you did and just want it all reversed, well unfortunately for you thats not how roulette ehrm RMT for isk works. Once the ball spins... Tiv __________________________________________________ Hating Cash Craving Productions since oct 15th 2008

Sniffy McJiggles	Posted - 2010.12.13 15:12:00 - [161] If your still pretty new I would delete that toon and start fresh. Even in the off chance you are innocent those logs are devastating evidence that someone was in the wrong.
socialhavoc	Posted - 2010.12.13 17:11:00 - [162] You know the funny part is we can see all the farm accounts and I'll be adding them to watch list when i get home tonight, how much are we betting those farm accounts are still active?
Pur3Bl00D Minmatar southeast investments corp	Posted - 2010.12.13 18:55:00 - [163] Originally by: Triple Entendre I would ask if I could have your stuff, but you can't pay the contract fee anyway. ..nuff said /thread
Chingyz Caldari Reverse Psychology. BAT PHONE	Posted - 2010.12.13 20:19:00 - [164] 9/10 because I'm bad at spotting trolls and still I'm the first to call it, that's why you don't get 10/10. Troll is troll
Generals4	Posted - 2010.12.13 20:50:00 - [165] Edited by: Generals4 on 13/12/2010 20:54:39 Edited by: Generals4 on 13/12/2010 20:52:32 Edited by: Generals4 on 13/12/2010 20:51:19 Nvm i failed ^^ And actually to fil's defence , it seems the benefactor is a miner which could explain the "mexallon" payment. (or am i failing to understand the situation)
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.12.13 21:16:00 - [166] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Cyaxares II Originally by: Malcanis Post your full API. Then we can see your journal & contract history without you being able to modify it. ahem ... no? (wish we could, though) You can see wallet journal through adv api. However contract history does not need API - you can see it in game without any API needed. not if it is a private contract
Kateva	Posted - 2010.12.13 21:29:00 - [167] Fi1ippo, I'm going to list the following faults that you exhibited in both your original post and on the log you supplied. 1. The Eve forum is the worse place to post this kind of matter as people here don't care about your plight (only your tears). Petitions to CCP is and always will be the preferred way of dealing with situations like this. 2. Even on your first two weeks of living in New Eden, you should already know by then that you can give money to anyone by simply right clicking the recipient's name and then click "give money". No mineral exchange nor any contract was ever required in the first place. 3. In the logs that you posted, there were three people listed on those logs. You, Paisan, and TheVault007. TheVault007's comments indicated that he owed you something when he said "ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest". Not only that, he also said "sry, was the wrong character". That too was a major red flag. So, based on these little observations, everyone here can easily see that you willfully engaged in an illegal activity. So, stop accusing the GM of making a big mistake if you're the one who knowingly accepted the illegal transaction.
oldmanst4r Minmatar oldmanst4r's Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.13 21:56:00 - [168] Seriously, why the eff would you buy isk? I just checked prices and it's almost the same as buying Plex, but with the added risk of banhammer/isk removal AND your money is going to some random chinese isk farmer bot who is Fking up mineral prices and not to CCP to make moar content. Also, pro-tip, don't buy from isk sellers who have Sty money laundering tactics. F*kers know you will be b&, and don't give a damn because there's always some other tool waiting in the wings to purchase their crap. Not only that but the amount of keyloggers and sht imbedded in those websites is absolutely Gdawful. /isk buying rant off Originally by:* CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Ultim8Evil Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.12.13 22:05:00 - [169] ITT. I see a great future for this threadnaught. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ori Empress United Systems of the Allegiance Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.12.13 22:25:00 - [170] Guilty until proven innocent.

Persona n0ngrata	Posted - 2010.12.13 22:59:00 - [171] Originally by: gfldex Some strager is offering candy. Do you take it?(Y/n) MMMMMM..CANDY.UM NUM NUM
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:06:00 - [172] Originally by: oldmanst4r Seriously, why the eff would you buy isk? I just checked prices and it's almost the same as buying Plex, but with the added risk of banhammer/isk removal AND your money is going to some random chinese isk farmer bot who is F*king up mineral prices and not to CCP to make moar content. Yes, I never understood this either. It takes a special kind of stupid to go to a highly illegal RMT, and risk everything, whilst CCP offers you a perfectly legit* way to also pay for ISK: the PLEX. @TS: And it takes a special kind of disdain to then complain on a forum about it, insulting our collective intelligence, pretending you were the victim of some grand misunderstanding. --


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