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Musashi IV	Posted - 2011.02.01 13:23:00 - [721] Instead of these worthless expansions CCP should be doing something to get rid of Macro users!!
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.02.01 14:04:00 - [722] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 01/02/2011 14:06:09 Originally by: Eden Love Originally by: Musashi IV Just by changing one menu item you knocked out a lot of macro users. If you randomized every menu everytime its opened you will kill all macros. +1 This bot problem schould be attacked by honest player base much more. A thread wont make it at all. How about a 1 day protest which could be expanded to 1 month without sub? How about mass petition CCP? Above idea would be a big time success against botters! What did CCP do against botters? Have they any idea? If you really want to do something to stop bots. Then do what I suggested in an earlier post. Create an alt, train it to use a basic cloak. Take it out in a frig to 0.0 (start in the drone regions)in a known botting system and then when you log off, go to work, sleep, load that afk guy and afk cloak in that system. This will completely remove the ability of all bots in that system from botting because the bots auto-dock / cloak if a nuetral is in their system. If enough people do this it will substantially reduce profits for the bots and it costs you virtually nothing. What would be useful is starting up a bot-intel channel for everyone who afk cloaks so that you can find / coordinate your afking against bots. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Aquila Draco	Posted - 2011.02.01 14:56:00 - [723] Reposting important link: Originally by: Elanor Vega Edited by: Elanor Vega on 30/01/2011 12:36:33 there is Anti Bot Petition in Assembly Hall too: [Request] Anti Bot Petition .
Keta Fraal Nul and Booleans	Posted - 2011.02.01 16:34:00 - [724] Hey! Guess what ladies? There is bot trading in RL! Wiki article AND in the future there will be bots to mine as well: http://www.solve.csiro.au/0505/article5.htm So maybe we need to rethink what these functions will entail in eve since all the smart people in our real world have figured it out. Any solution that does not reduce the tedium of mundane gaming is only hindering progress. Find a solution that makes third party bots obsolete or you are wasting effort. --------------------------------------- Completely ignore any whining that is not toilet orientated.
Rubet Gold	Posted - 2011.02.01 17:42:00 - [725] The whole thing about being against "Bots" is really very Ironic.. We play this game on a "Computer" We are all aware of the practical uses of computers in the Automation and Industrial Robotics world right? All over the globe, people are making billions of real cash inventing systems to make our life easier and most of us suck this stuff up to no end. Eve has an Open Ecomomy just like the real world, are we to expect people will treat it any differently? So, I have been playing MMOs for close to 12 years I guess, and all games that have an open economy have "Bot" and RMT problems. Whether I agree with or like "Bots" really does not matter. I think the game world / Developers need to find a new dynamic to deal with this type of reality in the virtual world. "Virtual Goods" have taken a HUGE part/segment of the gaming world, even Face book is now involved in getting their "Cut" from people that want to buy junk for their Farm thing, what ever that game is. What I am saying, is not that I agree there should be "Bots" in Eve, but there needs to be a very new Dynamic to deal with this part of the Virtual world we all play in rather than just going on a "Bot Busting Rage" Bot Busting Rages, really, just do one thing, they entice more competent developers into the field of developing game bots and then more money can be charged for them which in turn I would imagine just increases the desire to have more Bots per operator. For all of you that seem to have the Million ideas to make the game more complicated to thwart bots, that is a FAIL direction, the types of Software that are available to automate these days is simply amazing, and has become very professional. I just dont think Busting Bots is the answer, something new is needed, and please, lets NOT talk about Micro Transactions for Eve. Thats all I have to say in this rediculas thread lol, enjoy!
Optimus Night	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:34:00 - [726] For me it comes always back to this point: Botters/Macros have an unfair advantage against "honest" players. This is a fact!!! Everyone who opposes this must be affilated in some sort to Botters/Macros or is just plain stupid. Just read this Interview: http://www.evenews24.com/2010/12/08/rmt-uncovered-the-interview/ "How much roughly you sold to players over the whole time period? (in isk and dollars/euros ) roughly in 9 months 1.2 trillion isk for around 55k euro" Big alliances tolerate and/or use Bots/Macros. CCP knows this and does nothing against it(or we dont know about it) Tells me and every other honest player: No chance to suceed at eve without cheating If I move to 0.0 sec I cant suceed ever cause Alliances will use isk which was generated through Bots/Macros to fight me. I cant win against this behaviour ever cause the hours a day me and other honest players play does never ever match the hours Bots/Macros can generate ISK. This frustrates me. So why even bothering building up a industrial backbone over many months when I will never have the chance to succeed against those using Bots/Macros. ATM I want to quit but hate to throw away all the time (and REAL money) I invested. CCP? THINK! Ban those Bots/Macros and make the Game/client safe and fair to use for everyone. If this means that some parts of the game need to be changed/lost - so be it otherwise this will turn into bot online! The backbone of this game are not the Bots/Macros. We the honest players are the base of this game. We do pay your jobs. Without us Eve is nothing! Loose some money banning and stopping the Bots/Macros and earn even more in making eve an even better and fair game as it is(was). Please!
Avila Cracko	Posted - 2011.02.02 11:54:00 - [727] Originally by: Optimus Night For me it comes always back to this point: Botters/Macros have an unfair advantage against "honest" players. This is a fact!!! Everyone who opposes this must be affilated in some sort to Botters/Macros or is just plain stupid. Just read this Interview: http://www.evenews24.com/2010/12/08/rmt-uncovered-the-interview/ "How much roughly you sold to players over the whole time period? (in isk and dollars/euros ) roughly in 9 months 1.2 trillion isk for around 55k euro" Big alliances tolerate and/or use Bots/Macros. CCP knows this and does nothing against it(or we dont know about it) Tells me and every other honest player: No chance to suceed at eve without cheating If I move to 0.0 sec I cant suceed ever cause Alliances will use isk which was generated through Bots/Macros to fight me. I cant win against this behaviour ever cause the hours a day me and other honest players play does never ever match the hours Bots/Macros can generate ISK. This frustrates me. So why even bothering building up a industrial backbone over many months when I will never have the chance to succeed against those using Bots/Macros. ATM I want to quit but hate to throw away all the time (and REAL money) I invested. CCP? THINK! Ban those Bots/Macros and make the Game/client safe and fair to use for everyone. If this means that some parts of the game need to be changed/lost - so be it otherwise this will turn into bot online! The backbone of this game are not the Bots/Macros. We the honest players are the base of this game. We do pay your jobs. Without us Eve is nothing! Loose some money banning and stopping the Bots/Macros and earn even more in making eve an even better and fair game as it is(was). Please! Signed!
Crucis Cassiopeiae Amarr PORSCHE AG	Posted - 2011.02.02 21:29:00 - [728] Originally by: Keta Fraal Hey! Guess what ladies? There is bot trading in RL! Wiki article AND in the future there will be bots to mine as well: http://www.solve.csiro.au/0505/article5.htm So maybe we need to rethink what these functions will entail in eve since all the smart people in our real world have figured it out. Any solution that does not reduce the tedium of mundane gaming is only hindering progress. Find a solution that makes third party bots obsolete or you are wasting effort. You are suggesting / you want to automate mining and trading??? "Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes"
Geil Ding	Posted - 2011.02.02 22:49:00 - [729] My solution for the botters though: An ingame captcha! It works for forums, it will work for the game. For example: After 50 NPC killed and you are in warp to the next NPC's you will get a popup with a captcha. When you give the right words/letters your ship will land if not your game will exit/disconnect. Same for mining or certain ammount of order given/changed on the market. I have yet to see a bot which can break a good captcha
Skull Fauken	Posted - 2011.02.02 22:56:00 - [730] Originally by: Geil Ding My solution for the botters though: An ingame captcha! It works for forums, it will work for the game. For example: After 50 NPC killed and you are in warp to the next NPC's you will get a popup with a captcha. When you give the right words/letters your ship will land if not your game will exit/disconnect. Same for mining or certain ammount of order given/changed on the market. I have yet to see a bot which can break a good captcha CAPCHA stopped being useful for forums multiple years ago, Forum spamming by bots got that covered when OCR became a widely usable option. As has been discussed already, many BOTs use OCR extensivley.
sinisterdave	Posted - 2011.02.03 01:57:00 - [731] ok, heres the most (well to me anyway) obvious soultion to macros. make it leagal and reduce the amout off roid fields in hi sec, with 30k+ bot user in hi sec the roids will quickly run out each day forcing people out to low or nul sec to mine! And if it doesnt work, well at least everyone will have an equal advantage!
Norxil	Posted - 2011.02.03 09:27:00 - [732] Quote: CAPCHA stopped being useful for forums multiple years ago, Forum spamming by bots got that covered when OCR became a widely usable option. As has been discussed already, many BOTs use OCR extensivley. Thats not true. I have yet to see any forum with CAPCHA being flooded with spam. Also Blogspot uses this to keep botter away which normaly flood the reactions with any blogspot topic. OCR only works with stuff like books and only if the text is clear. If you want OCR to reconize your own handwriting you need to train it and then it isn't optimal.
Keta Fraal Nul and Booleans	Posted - 2011.02.03 10:46:00 - [733] Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae Originally by: Keta Fraal Hey! Guess what ladies? There is bot trading in RL! Wiki article AND in the future there will be bots to mine as well: http://www.solve.csiro.au/0505/article5.htm So maybe we need to rethink what these functions will entail in eve since all the smart people in our real world have figured it out. Any solution that does not reduce the tedium of mundane gaming is only hindering progress. Find a solution that makes third party bots obsolete or you are wasting effort. You are suggesting / you want to automate mining and trading??? No. I am pointing to the fact that progress and innovation have (for the good or bad) made the game mechanic obsolete in the way of mining, trading and missioning. You will never win against those who invent a way to circumvent a system. The only suggestion that sounds feasible is to make botters easier targets to players who want to hunt them and blow them up. Be innovative. Build on the gameplay. Not restrictive by adding what would amount to a counter-bot to prevent botting. And as far as market botting goes... If anyone can figure that out, then by all means contact the S.E.C. because making money off useless market interactions is rampant with botting. --------------------------------------- Completely ignore any whining that is not toilet orientated.
Crucis Cassiopeiae Amarr PORSCHE AG	Posted - 2011.02.03 14:28:00 - [734] Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 03/02/2011 14:28:49 Originally by: Keta Fraal Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae Originally by: Keta Fraal Hey! Guess what ladies? There is bot trading in RL! Wiki article AND in the future there will be bots to mine as well: http://www.solve.csiro.au/0505/article5.htm So maybe we need to rethink what these functions will entail in eve since all the smart people in our real world have figured it out. Any solution that does not reduce the tedium of mundane gaming is only hindering progress. Find a solution that makes third party bots obsolete or you are wasting effort. You are suggesting / you want to automate mining and trading??? No. I am pointing to the fact that progress and innovation have (for the good or bad) made the game mechanic obsolete in the way of mining, trading and missioning. You will never win against those who invent a way to circumvent a system. The only suggestion that sounds feasible is to make botters easier targets to players who want to hunt them and blow them up. Be innovative. Build on the gameplay. Not restrictive by adding what would amount to a counter-bot to prevent botting. And as far as market botting goes... If anyone can figure that out, then by all means contact the S.E.C. because making money off useless market interactions is rampant with botting. Thnx God for that "No"... :) But thats game mechanic... in real world we, in "game mechanic" of real world, have computers and with them we can automate some things... in EVE we don't have that RL computers (in EVE like separate world)... if in EVE world would be integrated some computers that could automate some parts of game, then that would be the part of game mechanic and you could use it... becouse that you cant compare that things... and that is RPG... so you must play in boundaris of that game mechanic... and game mechanic in EVE do not include Botting... "Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes"
Harvey Norman Kairos Group	Posted - 2011.02.04 02:32:00 - [735] Bumpity ______________ Indigo Labs Services Feedback Thread
Jack Gilligan 1st Cavalry Division Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.04 04:47:00 - [736] Well, they did one thing, they nerfed the Bot, uhh, drone regions. Now what they need to do is drop Incursions into every 0.0 constellation east of Geminate and south of Providence...
Ispia Jaydrath	Posted - 2011.02.04 14:39:00 - [737] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Hey guys, just wanted to say I'm seeing a lot of conversation here about us not caring or not doing anything about this particular subject and I wanted to affirm that it's a subject that's very near and dear to my heart. This isn't a subject that's being ignored in ANY WAY, and it's actually something I personally take umbrage with. I understand how one can feel a certain way based on their personal perceptions, but I can also say with some degree of authority that this is no way a subject that's being ignored in the least. Okay, would you mind doing something about the bots that I petitioned a month ago then? I know of a dozen more off the top of my head that I would petition if there was any sign whatsoever of somebody, you know, caring. But there isn't.
Ludacrys	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:06:00 - [738] Delay local in 0.0 by a minute and let pvpers take care of the bot problem
Gustav Knuttsen	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:34:00 - [739] Why you PPL are such a s*** ? 80% of posts are "wet dreams of teenagers". If have nothing to say STFU. And If you want to try social networking go facebook and write there down your's 15 minutes of fame... Where is moderator of this mess ? They care only about EULA stuff.. And closes topics with are "not nice" for CCP... Moderate do your job !
sarah mcjimmy	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:38:00 - [740] Originally by: Gustav Knuttsen Why you PPL are such a s*** ? 80% of posts are "wet dreams of teenagers". If have nothing to say STFU. Maybe you can take some of your own advice...
Severian Carnifex Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.05 11:01:00 - [741] Originally by: Gustav Knuttsen Why you PPL are such a s*** ? 80% of posts are "wet dreams of teenagers". If have nothing to say STFU. And If you want to try social networking go facebook and write there down your's 15 minutes of fame... Where is moderator of this mess ? They care only about EULA stuff.. And closes topics with are "not nice" for CCP... Moderate do your job ! LOL someone nead to learn what word "social" mean...
Elanor Vega	Posted - 2011.02.06 22:28:00 - [742] Originally by: Optimus Night For me it comes always back to this point: Botters/Macros have an unfair advantage against "honest" players. This is a fact!!! Everyone who opposes this must be affilated in some sort to Botters/Macros or is just plain stupid. Just read this Interview: http://www.evenews24.com/2010/12/08/rmt-uncovered-the-interview/ "How much roughly you sold to players over the whole time period? (in isk and dollars/euros ) roughly in 9 months 1.2 trillion isk for around 55k euro" Big alliances tolerate and/or use Bots/Macros. CCP knows this and does nothing against it(or we dont know about it) Tells me and every other honest player: No chance to suceed at eve without cheating If I move to 0.0 sec I cant suceed ever cause Alliances will use isk which was generated through Bots/Macros to fight me. I cant win against this behaviour ever cause the hours a day me and other honest players play does never ever match the hours Bots/Macros can generate ISK. This frustrates me. So why even bothering building up a industrial backbone over many months when I will never have the chance to succeed against those using Bots/Macros. ATM I want to quit but hate to throw away all the time (and REAL money) I invested. CCP? THINK! Ban those Bots/Macros and make the Game/client safe and fair to use for everyone. If this means that some parts of the game need to be changed/lost - so be it otherwise this will turn into bot online! The backbone of this game are not the Bots/Macros. We the honest players are the base of this game. We do pay your jobs. Without us Eve is nothing! Loose some money banning and stopping the Bots/Macros and earn even more in making eve an even better and fair game as it is(was). Please! +1
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.02.07 17:31:00 - [743] This last weekend an incursion hit in a system where a corp member happened to be with his freighter. He thought he was stuck, but I assured him that in high sec it only effects miners and mission runners, not hauling. So he got in a shuttle and checked out the gates and a belt. In the belt he saw cruiser wrecks, barge wrecks, and 2 pods. I guess some macros got caught, and the pods were warping back and forth, still "mining". Then he saw the shuttle wrecks and ran away. So Incursions are helping... a little.
Aessoroz Nohbdy.	Posted - 2011.02.07 17:36:00 - [744] Edited by: Aessoroz on 07/02/2011 17:37:02 Originally by: Norxil Quote: CAPCHA stopped being useful for forums multiple years ago, Forum spamming by bots got that covered when OCR became a widely usable option. As has been discussed already, many BOTs use OCR extensivley. Thats not true. I have yet to see any forum with CAPCHA being flooded with spam. Also Blogspot uses this to keep botter away which normaly flood the reactions with any blogspot topic. OCR only works with stuff like books and only if the text is clear. If you want OCR to reconize your own handwriting you need to train it and then it isn't optimal. I can provide logs of 800+ spam bots attempting to attack my forum over the course of a week, they bypassed Recaptcha like it was nothing. I had to catch them a more stupid way(they always put a country in the gmail fields ) Want to know how they did it? Simple, bot takes quick screenshot of captcha, uploads to indian outsourcing service, indians paid $.0001 per captcha quickly type in the answer and the bot gets the response.
Rubet Gold	Posted - 2011.02.07 18:49:00 - [745] Yup, do a google on "Captcha Reader", pretty amazing stuff, I watched a video for one that deciphers 51 complete captchas a minute. Captchas are so 1990s technology, waste of time these days, they just **** real people off and are a small bump in the road for a bot.
Serena Liena McNemsie	Posted - 2011.02.07 18:57:00 - [746] To me it seems bots are used because you can. Mining is not rocket science and it is kind of a pity that it is not. If there was more happening while mining, people would less afk mine. Let's say you can mine afk, but it will be far from the optimal yield. While the roid is being sucked out you need to adjust various settings to keep the yield at an optimum level. Maybe also overheating of the mining equipment could be a factor that needs to be taken into consideration (or even the equipment working best at an optimal temperature). Yeah, bots would still be possible, but I would see two advantages: 1) People might find mining a lot more interesting and therefore not afk mine as much to keep their yield up. 2) You could tweak the system in a way that not tweaking will be punished. Bots would of course still be possible, but the development of a good bot would devour way more resources in real life.
Eden Love	Posted - 2011.02.07 19:06:00 - [747] Just use the petition window. -> F12 Mass petition all the bots you see in your system. Just drag and drop the character from local to petition mail. They are easy to spot. They do perfectly strip mine the belts. Its easy. Sadly when you read in bot forums they jsut tell that CCP is doing nothing against them and you certainly only get some whining from them when they think they got reported. So report!
Catheryn Martobi	Posted - 2011.02.07 20:54:00 - [748] Saw someone mention removing local to curb bots. While I do agree we should be rid of local chat (at least in 0.0), it's not a solution for botting. Bots can be configured to keep a DirScan open and filter for probes or combat ships. As soon as they see one they take off. Also, CCP can't get rid of local in highsec, too many people use it, then all the bots would just move to highsec and it would be even more barren. If CCP has some sort of way of telling where botting is very frequent they could manually drop incursions on it until they come up with a more permanent solution.
Sully Kajahazuum	Posted - 2011.02.07 21:24:00 - [749] Originally by: Catheryn Martobi Saw someone mention removing local to curb bots. While I do agree we should be rid of local chat (at least in 0.0), it's not a solution for botting. Bots can be configured to keep a DirScan open and filter for probes or combat ships. As soon as they see one they take off. Also, CCP can't get rid of local in highsec, too many people use it, then all the bots would just move to highsec and it would be even more barren. If CCP has some sort of way of telling where botting is very frequent they could manually drop incursions on it until they come up with a more permanent solution. You don't even have to remove local though. Just do what's done in WH's and have only people that talk show up in local chat. That way, if people want to say someting (for example in jita), there's nothing stopping them from doing so, but it would also mean that bots, (and lazy carebears :P) would have to be using the dscanner/wouldn't be able to predict when a ganking was gonna come. Having roamed the drone regions alot, this would things far easier then bubbling every belt/undefended pos lol.
Vortura	Posted - 2011.02.07 22:15:00 - [750] Originally by: Sully Kajahazuum Originally by: Catheryn Martobi Saw someone mention removing local to curb bots. While I do agree we should be rid of local chat (at least in 0.0), it's not a solution for botting. Bots can be configured to keep a DirScan open and filter for probes or combat ships. As soon as they see one they take off. Also, CCP can't get rid of local in highsec, too many people use it, then all the bots would just move to highsec and it would be even more barren. If CCP has some sort of way of telling where botting is very frequent they could manually drop incursions on it until they come up with a more permanent solution. You don't even have to remove local though. Just do what's done in WH's and have only people that talk show up in local chat. That way, if people want to say someting (for example in jita), there's nothing stopping them from doing so, but it would also mean that bots, (and lazy carebears :P) would have to be using the dscanner/wouldn't be able to predict when a ganking was gonna come. Having roamed the drone regions alot, this would things far easier then bubbling every belt/undefended pos lol. What would stop a botter from having the scanner window open and continuaously scanning and when a shiptype pops up in the scanner to instruct the botter to safe and cloak up? I personally would just prefer that CCP include a local process scanner and if it finds a process for an application that is known to create macros, then it terminates the EvE Client proccess, logs the API User ID, and bans the API User ID on multiple attempts. User would then need to create a petition to unban the account, and explain their actions and address the accusation of being a botter.

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