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Dangerous Daswe
Gallente
Broken-Steel
Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:29:00 -
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Following todays new dev blog about the new holiday ship the Echelon!!!!
Anyone able get stats for it?
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Dr Sodius
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Loktofeit on 09/12/2010 15:28:42
The stats of the Echelon are fairly equal to an average T1 frigate, except that it can only fit one module and no rigs. The module itself is similar to a T1 codebreaker, except it has twice the range and an eight-second cycle time.
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Adst
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:33:00 -
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Link for the lazy
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:36:00 -
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Woot, another ship I'll never fly.
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Phaedriel
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:38:00 -
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All the excitement about the 2nd xmas gift and it's.... a frigate.
Still, at least it's better than the 1st gift and has a consistent theme... a frigate I'll never use and learning skills I'll never be able to use again.
the cup overfloweth....
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Tyber Zaan
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Tyber Zaan on 09/12/2010 15:39:08
Ill see if its on SiSi and try to link stats momentarily]
Edit: Singularity is down! GAH. Ill link stats when it comes back up.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 09/12/2010 15:41:41
"Next to the Purloined Sansha Codebreaker"?
What Purloined Sansha Codebreaker? 
 Originally by: Templar Dane
Woot, another ship I'll never fly.
Hey - perhaps it's even better than a Dramiel ;p
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:40:00 -
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Goody. Another white elephant.
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Hivsen Ng
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:40:00 -
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This is the 2nd Christmas present?
W... T... F...
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:41:00 -
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Pointless, might as well go blow it up instantly.
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Nicholas Barker
Diabolus Ex Machina
The Amazing Onjoi and his Educated Rodents
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:42:00 -
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This is like getting socks for xmas. But not only this, socks that are too small.
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Tyber Zaan
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:42:00 -
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ITT: People complaining about a free gift and how they wanted more.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:45:00 -
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Hur Rah!
Unless they dun use the hull to make a new buildable ship. then it's a bit of a let down.
But still yay!
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Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:45:00 -
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bah.
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Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:46:00 -
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Who knows it's a t3 frigate - it looks strange enough ...
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:48:00 -
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I really wanted an unholy rage 
Originally by: Kool StoryBro
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Phaedriel
All the excitement about the 2nd xmas gift and it's.... a frigate.
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Phaedriel
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:50:00 -
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We could be all missing something...
It could have a few million hitpoints, or 99% omni-resists, or anything even remotely useful.
Or, it could be a sub-par T1 frigate with 1 module slot for hacking without the ability to fit probes, tank, weapons, propulsion or anything else that goes WITH hacking.
To be fair, lets call it a shuttle with a module slot because no-one will use it for anything else...
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
All the excitement about the 2nd xmas gift and it's.... a frigate.
Don't forget the Purloined Sansha Codebreaker!
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Rose Hips
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:51:00 -
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Thank you Santa. 
Complainers: Dudes...  they are not going to give something out for free that is a major game changer or has significant effects. Geezkko its free, which means it will end up on the markets for about 5 to 10 mil... so chill. |
Reicine Ceer
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:52:00 -
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"waahh waahhh waahhh i wanted X!"
If you don't like it, contract it to me.
With CCP's new(?) aim of incorporating the Chronicles into an actual part of the EVE universe, im wondering how many people here have completely bypassed the possibility that this ship *could* play an integral role in the future of the game. Sure, the Zeyphyr was nice, and the SOCT shuttle was nice, but they did nothing really to make people consider using them in a tactical manner. The Zephyr was a nice start (probe usage, sleepers ignore it, remember?), im keeping my fingers crossed that the Echelon will become something handy, that you will WANT to have one in your fleet, even if its just for bullying Sansha.
Having said that, i hope CCP dont go too far and require its use.
But ffs guys stop being whiny *****es. Jeez.
"Grammatically, the word 'nothing' is a noun, which suggests that it refers to something." - Wikipedia |
Hivsen Ng
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tyber Zaan
ITT: People complaining about a free gift and how they wanted more.
Of course, it's like when you were 8.
And your parents have been telling you how good you were throughout the year, you score high 90's in your school tests, and get your spellings right for a grade A+. Your parents tell you they're going to get you something amazing for christmas.
You've always been hoping for that Gameboy with Mario brothers.
The gift arrived, and is placed under the christmas tree. It's a smallish box sized, so it seems likely to be a gameboy.
25th arrives, and you run down the stairs to open that gift.
You feel the delight about to explode in your mind. Wrappers gone, box is upside down.
You got a pair of mittens for Christmas.
GG parents.
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Dr Nefarius
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:53:00 -
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CCP, I am dissapoint.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Stardust Heavy Industries
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
This is like getting socks for xmas. But not only this, socks that are too small.
qft
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Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:55:00 -
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its not that we are ungreatful, its just the removal of the learning skills and reimburstment on their investment in spendable SP was just so damned freaking awesome they just shouldnt have even mentioned a second "half" of a present because a stupid frig that 90% of eve wont touch is not equal to half of somthing else so damned amazing.
should have just sed nothing and realsed it on the day as an actual supprise.
tra la la la, la la boned.
thanks for playing.
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Phaedriel
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Reicine Ceer
"waahh waahhh waahhh i wanted X!"
If you don't like it, contract it to me.
With CCP's new(?) aim of incorporating the Chronicles into an actual part of the EVE universe, im wondering how many people here have completely bypassed the possibility that this ship *could* play an integral role in the future of the game. Sure, the Zeyphyr was nice, and the SOCT shuttle was nice, but they did nothing really to make people consider using them in a tactical manner. The Zephyr was a nice start (probe usage, sleepers ignore it, remember?), im keeping my fingers crossed that the Echelon will become something handy, that you will WANT to have one in your fleet, even if its just for bullying Sansha.
Having said that, i hope CCP dont go too far and require its use.
But ffs guys stop being whiny *****es. Jeez.
Yes, it's free. Yes, it's crap. But... CCP spent TIME designing and implimenting the ruddy thing. Time that could have been used on one of the thousand things that we actually suggested would improve the game for a lot of people. I'm not complaining that what I got was crap, I'm complaining that what they spent time on resulted in something 99% likely to be totally useless. I doubt anyone will use this for hacking, they will use a cov-ops or whatever they used before, because it can fit more than 1 module...
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Tyber Zaan
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Posted - 2010.12.09 15:58:00 -
[27]
ITT:
"WAAAAHHHH! I HATE THIS GIFT CCP! I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT! I WANT MORE GIVE ME MORE NOW WAAAH"
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RaTTuS
BIG
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Phaedriel
Yes, it's free. Yes, it's crap. But... CCP spent TIME designing and implimenting the ruddy thing. Time that could have been used on one of the thousand things that we actually suggested would improve the game for a lot of people. I'm not complaining that what I got was crap, I'm complaining that what they spent time on resulted in something 99% likely to be totally useless. I doubt anyone will use this for hacking, they will use a cov-ops or whatever they used before, because it can fit more than 1 module...[/quote
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Muad 'dib
its not that we are ungreatful, its just the removal of the learning skills and reimburstment on their investment in spendable SP was just so damned freaking awesome they just shouldnt have even mentioned a second "half" of a present because a stupid frig that 90% of eve wont touch is not equal to half of somthing else so damned amazing.
should have just sed nothing and realsed it on the day as an actual supprise.
tra la la la, la la boned.
thanks for playing.
Well tbh I didn't expect a lot as we already had the learning skills removed, everything else would have been obscured by that great present anyway. So no, not disappointed at all. Yes a remake of the Moa would have been better but you just can't have it all!
I hope the Purloined Sansha Codebreaker will have t2 stats so I won't have to train Hacking V!! 
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:03:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Tyber Zaan
ITT:
"WAAAAHHHH! I HATE THIS GIFT CCP! I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT! I WANT MORE GIVE ME MORE NOW WAAAH"
ITT: "What do you mean you don't want a lump of coal for Christmas? It's a gift ffs!"
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Cournai
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:03:00 -
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It is free so can't complain much... but disappointing.
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Lord Wamphyri
Amarr
Starside Lost
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:04:00 -
[32]
Well I for one am looking forward to receiving my FREE gift.
Free is a good thing.
FFS it's not like it's costing anyone anything, CCP didn't have to give us anything!
So from me, a big THANK YOU to CCP! 
SAVE THE RED EYES IN THE NEW CHARACTER CREATOR! |
Reicine Ceer
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Phaedriel
Yes, it's free. Yes, it's crap. But... CCP spent TIME designing and implimenting the ruddy thing. Time that could have been used on one of the thousand things that we actually suggested would improve the game for a lot of people. I'm not complaining that what I got was crap, I'm complaining that what they spent time on resulted in something 99% likely to be totally useless. I doubt anyone will use this for hacking, they will use a cov-ops or whatever they used before, because it can fit more than 1 module...
Yes, i understand that.
But you're confusing a *free gift* with *game-altering changes to the core of EVE Online*, which belongs on the Features & Ideas board. The time involved on creating and implementing this new ship will be minimal compared to the time involved in changing, testing, rechanging, retesting and implementing a game-changing feature.
Yes, many will probably still use a cov-ops frig for hacking, but i believe that it would be downright stupid of anyone to start comparing the Echelon to anything until we actually have our pods inside one to sit and play around with. You don't have a clue as to what the Echelon will actually be like until then, so how's about leaving comparisons until after that point?
An awful lot of people in here seem to be conveniently forgetting about the mindblowing usefulness of the Noctis too, considering much of the community spent a long long time badgering CCP to include a dedicated salvaging ship.
"Grammatically, the word 'nothing' is a noun, which suggests that it refers to something." - Wikipedia |
Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Wamphyri
Well I for one am looking forward to receiving my FREE gift.
Free is a good thing.
FFS it's not like it's costing anyone anything, CCP didn't have to give us anything!
So from me, a big THANK YOU to CCP!
It cost CCP time, time not spent bugfixing etc. I'd have rather seen them fix 2 bugs than this ship which was a waste of time and energy.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:11:00 -
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I bet ccp staff are peeing themselfs ovet this thread "hahaha i told you we shouldnt have wound them up so much for this silly frig, but the tears oh god the delicous tears so funny, what a bunch of mugs..." etc
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Reicine Ceer
Originally by: Phaedriel
Yes, it's free. Yes, it's crap. But... CCP spent TIME designing and implimenting the ruddy thing. Time that could have been used on one of the thousand things that we actually suggested would improve the game for a lot of people. I'm not complaining that what I got was crap, I'm complaining that what they spent time on resulted in something 99% likely to be totally useless. I doubt anyone will use this for hacking, they will use a cov-ops or whatever they used before, because it can fit more than 1 module...
Yes, i understand that.
But you're confusing a *free gift* with *game-altering changes to the core of EVE Online*, which belongs on the Features & Ideas board. The time involved on creating and implementing this new ship will be minimal compared to the time involved in changing, testing, rechanging, retesting and implementing a game-changing feature.
Yes, many will probably still use a cov-ops frig for hacking, but i believe that it would be downright stupid of anyone to start comparing the Echelon to anything until we actually have our pods inside one to sit and play around with. You don't have a clue as to what the Echelon will actually be like until then, so how's about leaving comparisons until after that point?
An awful lot of people in here seem to be conveniently forgetting about the mindblowing usefulness of the Noctis too, considering much of the community spent a long long time badgering CCP to include a dedicated salvaging ship.
More along the lines of the Zephyr but even less useful. Think free shuttle, not anything as useful as Noctis.
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Jaqel Broadside
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:13:00 -
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Well it's free so yay ! a bit,,,
I was hoping for at least some snow balls,, they were at least some fun,, this is well,, useless,,,
Hmm I wonder what it reprocesses into ?
It might actually be funny if it would loadup as ammo for a Dreadnaught or something,,
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
I bet ccp staff are peeing themselfs ovet this thread "hahaha i told you we shouldnt have wound them up so much for this silly frig, but the tears oh god the delicous tears so funny, what a bunch of mugs..." etc
I am sure CCP is having a big laugh, the marketing department on the otherhand.
They are on the Roof if you want to speak to them.
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Under Construction.
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Skram
Stormvanger Aerospace
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:14:00 -
[39]
I have no complaints over free stuff. Thank you CCP, I will continue to give you my monies.
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Reicine Ceer
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tarasina
More along the lines of the Zephyr but even less useful. Think free shuttle, not anything as useful as Noctis.
Please re-read my previous posts again. Slower this time, and if you like you can ask me to elaborate on any points you didn't fully grasp, or i can help you figure out the words that are longer than 3 syllables.
"Grammatically, the word 'nothing' is a noun, which suggests that it refers to something." - Wikipedia |
Trader Gandry
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:19:00 -
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To all those who complain about wanting bugs fixed instead of this ship.
Do you "smart" people even know that those who designed this ship are a whole other group of people than those who work on bugs?
They didn't take any manpower away from bughunting to make and implement this ship.
Yes you got a free ship and yes it might not be the ultimate wtfpwn mobile you wanted. There is no reason for CCP to put an I-Win button on a ship and then give the ship away for free.
Heck, CCP should just quit giving free stuff cause the majority of the whiners has a mouth big enough to rotate a Titan in and still have room for more. No matter what you stuff into it they will keep yapping for more.
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Tornan
Minmatar
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:21:00 -
[42]
thanks ccp. looking forward to it.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:22:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Hivsen Ng
Originally by: Tyber Zaan
ITT: People complaining about a free gift and how they wanted more.
Of course, it's like when you were 8.
And your parents have been telling you how good you were throughout the year, you score high 90's in your school tests, and get your spellings right for a grade A+. Your parents tell you they're going to get you something amazing for christmas.
You've always been hoping for that Gameboy with Mario brothers.
The gift arrived, and is placed under the christmas tree. It's a smallish box sized, so it seems likely to be a gameboy.
25th arrives, and you run down the stairs to open that gift.
You feel the delight about to explode in your mind. Wrappers gone, box is upside down.
You got a pair of mittens for Christmas.
GG parents.
But they're mittens! MITTENS! Look...they cover your hands and your fingers can stay warm. They're mittens! You like mittens.
MITTENS!
KB
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:22:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Muad ''dib on 09/12/2010 16:22:41
Originally by: Trader Gandry
To all those who complain about wanting bugs fixed instead of this ship.
Do you "smart" people even know that those who designed this ship are a whole other group of people than those who work on bugs?
They didn't take any manpower away from bughunting to make and implement this ship.
Yes you got a free ship and yes it might not be the ultimate wtfpwn mobile you wanted. There is no reason for CCP to put an I-Win button on a ship and then give the ship away for free.
Heck, CCP should just quit giving free stuff cause the majority of the whiners has a mouth big enough to rotate a Titan in and still have room for more. No matter what you stuff into it they will keep yapping for more.
would these people happen to be the same people that should have brought us the promised 5th sub set?
what now smarty pants?
Heh see you in space in your new lol-mobile, meep meep!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:23:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Tippia on 09/12/2010 16:24:40
Originally by: Phaedriel
CCP spent TIME designing and implimenting the ruddy thing. Time that could have been used on one of the thousand things that we actually suggested would improve the game for a lot of people.
No.
Originally by: Muad 'dib
would these people happen to be the same people that should have brought us the promised 5th sub set?
Highly unlikely, since there is next to no balance considerations with this ship.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Trader Gandry
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:26:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Muad 'dib
would these people happen to be the same people that should have brought us the promised 5th sub set?
what now smarty pants?
Heh see you in space in your new lol-mobile, meep meep!
Now please point where 5th sub set is the same as bugfixing and we can talk, till then just keep meep meeping
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Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:28:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Trader Gandry
Originally by: Muad 'dib
would these people happen to be the same people that should have brought us the promised 5th sub set?
what now smarty pants?
Heh see you in space in your new lol-mobile, meep meep!
Now please point where 5th sub set is the same as bugfixing and we can talk, till then just keep meep meeping
I was reffering to the ccp dudes who made this ship, those ship designers make the subs and the same people who gave the bonuses and stats to this ship are the same people who would be balecing the stats and bonuses of the new subs, ya?
meep meep!
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enterprisePSI
Gallente
Unimatrix 0.1
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:30:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Lord Wamphyri
Well I for one am looking forward to receiving my FREE gift.
Free is a good thing.
FFS it's not like it's costing anyone anything, CCP didn't have to give us anything!
So from me, a big THANK YOU to CCP!
Tears, or the titan dies!
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Phaedriel
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:31:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 09/12/2010 16:24:40
Originally by: Phaedriel
CCP spent TIME designing and implimenting the ruddy thing. Time that could have been used on one of the thousand things that we actually suggested would improve the game for a lot of people.
No.
Thank you for your insightful insight.
What I conclude from this is that there is a department of CCP staff with nothing better to do that roll out useless items. I'm not suggesting that the people who made this are the people who fix bugs. I'm suggesting that man hours were taken up to do this, and that if those man hours were allocated to people who give nothing to the game then perhaps they would be better invested in people who CAN fix things.
I've read many of your posts and agreed/disagreed according to my own views, but the one constant is that the discussions tend to go on forever with no-one changing views so shall we say 'we disagree with each other' and not turn this into a massive back and forth? Forum PvP is so CAOD ;)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:32:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Tippia on 09/12/2010 16:36:14
Originally by: Muad 'dib
I was reffering to the ccp dudes who made this ship, those ship designers make the subs and the same people who gave the bonuses and stats to this ship are the same people who would be balecing the stats and bonuses of the new subs, ya?
When they presented the T3s, the design for the 5th subsystem was already in the matrix, and the stat design for this ship comes down to "copy → paste". They new module would have required more work than the ship in that regardà so yeah, that's a coffee break gone. 
Originally by: Phaedriel
I'm suggesting that man hours were taken up to do this, and that if those man hours were allocated to people who give nothing to the game then perhaps they would be better invested in people who CAN fix things.
Again, no. They have to keep those people around for when something in line with their skills is added ù if they were simply replaced by people with different skill sets whenever there was a lull in their work load, they would simply stop showing up and CCP would soon find it impossible to draw that kind of talent. So we'd simply stop getting anything new. Ever.
Oh, and they do give something to the game: this frigate, for instance.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Jaqel Broadside
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:32:00 -
[51]
I just cannot resist this,, meep, meep,, LMAO !
U know this is prolly the best fun I'm gonna have out of this sack of,,,,
meep, meep
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rootimus maximus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:33:00 -
[52]
It'd be nice if a regular version of this is available at some point in the future, which lets us fit multiple T2 hacking modules (and analysers?) with appropriate bonuses.
For now, it'll be joining my zephyrs and primaes in the far corner of my hanger, gathering dust.
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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:34:00 -
[53]
Thx CCP!
We really dont need rebalance of hybrid weapons or other IMPORTANT things.
Go ahead and add more SUPERB CONTENT instead.
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SCPilot
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:36:00 -
[54]
Edited by: SCPilot on 09/12/2010 16:36:01
YES it a what ... a shi*!
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:36:00 -
[55]
Removing the learning skills was a fantastic decision.
This? I suppose if you are into hacking (or whatever the hell it's for) this could be really nice, but I am not.
For the record, for anyone else wondering what to give me for the holidays, I am also not "into" figure skating, Hannah Montana, Twilight, or Justin Beeber -- so gifts relating to any of the above would be a poor choice.
In my mind this is like gifting a wife who has never shot a gun in her life a brand new 300 magnum deer rifle. Surprise honey! I know you said you don't like guns, but here's one anyway! Aint she a beaut! This thing'll knock down an elephant! Why are you crying?
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Phaedriel
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:37:00 -
[56]
Alternative viewpoint...
This free item is designed to be totally useless and therefore sit in hangers forever. It's use therefore is hidden and is actually there to create EXTRA load on the database and servers so that CCP can monitor how adding utter junk to hangers affects performance.
Either that or... tinfoil hat... they're all rigged with explosives and at the middle of new year celebrations they will all explode destroying whatever they are in a hanger with, reducing hanger clutter and server load... and making pretty fireworks.
There, I just came up with 2 more useless purposes that CCP could for this pile of crud.
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St Mio
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:39:00 -
[57]
To all those who don't want theirs, feel free to sell them to me. Contracts in Jita preferably. Thanks in advance.
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Lise Kahel
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:40:00 -
[58]
I reject all of your arguments and simply state; ship designers can't fix bugs. Irrefutable fact, period.
Now go back on complaining about how ugly it is. Or learning skills. Those were received way too good to spend time trolling on threads as these.
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Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:40:00 -
[59]
Anyone complaining about the new ship, can I haz your new ship?
Contractz j0r stuffz to me
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:41:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
ITT: "What do you mean you don't want a lump of coal for Christmas? It's a gift ffs!"
Sir, how dare you equate the new cute and shiny Concord frigate (that probably took CCP some effort to make) to a lump of coal?
Don't you see? The small kids are squealing like pigs in delight over it, so please have a care.
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Farrisen
Caldari
Cerbian
Cerbian Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:42:00 -
[61]
Okay so i'm just trying to find the thread were a dev said something along the lines "2nd x-mas gift is something that the players have asked for"
Cause ya'know a limited edition ship that can't be built isn't really something most ppl ask for?
well 1 more dust collector for me:) a gift is a gift
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:42:00 -
[62]
My only complaint is that CCP clearly doesn't know what "acceptable A-symmetry" is. **** that thing is ugly.
CCP...we have enough ugly ass ships on the market. Please make ships look good. You are 1 for 3 this year...not including the Scorpion redesign.
Well...at least it isn't a Minmitar cluster of superglued crap.
Sig.Learning skills vote. |
Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:44:00 -
[63]
The data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features. Stop being dinosaurs people!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:46:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
My only complaint is that CCP clearly doesn't know what "acceptable A-symmetry" is. **** that thing is ugly.
CCP...we have enough ugly ass ships on the market. Please make ships look good. You are 1 for 3 this year...not including the Scorpion redesign.
Pff! Symmetry is for the feeble-minded.
And anyway, if it's symmetry you want, the Scorp (as well as every other ship except maybe the Zephyr) needs to be redesigned.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
St Mio
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:47:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Corporal Punishment08
Anyone complaining about the new ship, can I haz your new ship?
Contractz j0r stuffz to me
Too late! First come first served!
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Phaedriel
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:47:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Lillith Starfire
The data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features. Stop being dinosaurs people!
But we want bug fi.... ooh a shiny thing...
ADHD affects many gamers, we should start a collection...
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Skram
Stormvanger Aerospace
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:48:00 -
[67]
This thread confuses me. What I'm getting out of it is that a lot of people think CCP uses the same people to design ships, code ships, test ships, fix bugs, run for donuts, get the oil changed in the company vehicles, etc.
Maybe I should apply at CCP, they seem to have a serious shortage of employees...
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:54:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Tyber Zaan
ITT: People complaining about a free gift and how they wanted more.
Well, it's what we usually get, a ship that is pretty much only good as a collector's item.
The thing is though, I got let down because corpchat was raging about "WE'RE GETTING A CONCORD FRIGATE FOR CHISTMAS!" and I got excited.
Thoughts of running around in this during christmas break, busting criminals in low sec....
But it's a codebreaking ship that most likely has no use in combat whatsoever...
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Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:55:00 -
[69]
+7 implants? Training on multiple characters? Removal of local? Bonus SP? Perhaps even...... a blaster fix?
No, we get a Zephyr Mk. II
CCP, I am disappoint.
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Draconyx
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:55:00 -
[70]
"However, the true beauty of the Echelon is in the adaptive synchronization of capsuleers and Sansha codebreaking components, creating a system predicted to give capsuleers an edge over even the strongest of the Nation's encryption locks."
I am going to laugh when people find out they need this ship and/or the module to unlock items in Incursions and they trashed it because it was useless cause it wasn't a PvP item.
People need to wake up and realize CCP isn't going to hand out a T4 ship that is the end all of PvP to everyone in game.
Now they might hand out another ship/tool that allows you the potential of getting something really nice if you are willing to go after it.
This might be the most useful item CCP has ever given out for X-mas.
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marikis
Caldari
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:56:00 -
[71]
Quote:
The advanced cryptographic processors on board provide superior hacking capabilities for use on most known password-secured devices
Dont suppose this means secure cans?
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Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:56:00 -
[72]
Originally by: St Mio
Originally by: Corporal Punishment08
Anyone complaining about the new ship, can I haz your new ship?
Contractz j0r stuffz to me
Too late! First come first served!
DAMNIT!
Well played St Mio, well played.
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Akhmed TDT
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:58:00 -
[73]
I want to fly it around with a snowball launcher & some new snowballs.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:05:00 -
[74]
Now all we need is a version with 2 high slots, 3 mids and 2 lows. Put 25m3 of drone version. Ultimate stand alone exploration boat  Give it a static bonus to codebreaker and analyzer. Then a variable bonus to probe strength and salvager chance.
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rufeno
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:07:00 -
[75]
here's the basic stats (available from sisi)
struct: 274
armor: 305
shield: 235
cap: 187
target range: 20km
max target: 4
scan res: 700mm
radar sensor: 6p
sign: 33m
max velocity: 404 m/sec
WS: 6 au/s
1 med slot, 3 rig.
require amarr frigate II
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:07:00 -
[76]
Any self respecting Concord officer, wouldn't be seen dead in that thing tbh.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Joss56
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:14:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Joss56 on 09/12/2010 17:15:10
Originally by: Hivsen Ng
Of course, it's like when you were 8.
And your parents have been telling you how good you were throughout the year, you score high 90's in your school tests, and get your spellings right for a grade A+. Your parents tell you they're going to get you something amazing for christmas.
You've always been hoping for that Gameboy with Mario brothers.
The gift arrived, and is placed under the christmas tree. It's a smallish box sized, so it seems likely to be a gameboy.
25th arrives, and you run down the stairs to open that gift.
You feel the delight about to explode in your mind. Wrappers gone, box is upside down.
You got a pair of mittens for Christmas.
GG parents.
This one made me laugh, thx to you
Thanks ccp for this ship, i allways say that if it's free take it twice
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:14:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Mag's
Any self respecting Concord officer, wouldn't be seen dead in that thing tbh.
considering looks of other CONCORD ships... i doubt they care.
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: Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Keras Authion
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:29:00 -
[79]
Yay, free goodies! I like the looks on that ship, but then again I'm used to the asymmetric designs of caldari. Hopefully it follows the primae road and becomes a full-fledged science frigate some day.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente
DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:30:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Draconyx
Edited by: Draconyx on 09/12/2010 17:13:20
"However, the true beauty of the Echelon is in the adaptive synchronization of capsuleers and Sansha codebreaking components, creating a system predicted to give capsuleers an edge over even the strongest of the Nation's encryption locks."
I am going to laugh when people find out they need this ship and/or the module to unlock items in Incursions and they trashed it because it was useless cause it wasn't a PvP item.
People need to wake up and realize CCP isn't going to hand out a T4 ship that is the end all of PvP to everyone in game.
Now they might hand out another ship/tool that allows you the potential of getting something really nice if you are willing to go after it.
This might be the most useful item CCP has ever given out for X-mas.
Give the man a cigar ....
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Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:37:00 -
[81]
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: Draconyx
Edited by: Draconyx on 09/12/2010 17:13:20
"However, the true beauty of the Echelon is in the adaptive synchronization of capsuleers and Sansha codebreaking components, creating a system predicted to give capsuleers an edge over even the strongest of the Nation's encryption locks."
I am going to laugh when people find out they need this ship and/or the module to unlock items in Incursions and they trashed it because it was useless cause it wasn't a PvP item.
People need to wake up and realize CCP isn't going to hand out a T4 ship that is the end all of PvP to everyone in game.
Now they might hand out another ship/tool that allows you the potential of getting something really nice if you are willing to go after it.
This might be the most useful item CCP has ever given out for X-mas.
Give the man a cigar ....
SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! How the heck are we supposed to sell thta ship for 100mil on contracts if everyone reads that post and keeps their ship????
Ah...nothing to see here people. Move along. Don't read what Draconyx wrote...and uh...contact me if you need an Echelon after Incursion comes.
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LordElfa
Gallente
Revan's Fist
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:39:00 -
[82]
Wow, just wow. I'm not talking about CCP either. Some people in this thread have voiced some obvious concerns but other have just been outright *******s about this. I hope that CCP comes through this thread and writes down some names and remembers who not to give this ship to on the 14th.
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Alyth
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:40:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Alyth on 09/12/2010 17:39:50
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: Draconyx
Edited by: Draconyx on 09/12/2010 17:13:20
"However, the true beauty of the Echelon is in the adaptive synchronization of capsuleers and Sansha codebreaking components, creating a system predicted to give capsuleers an edge over even the strongest of the Nation's encryption locks."
I am going to laugh when people find out they need this ship and/or the module to unlock items in Incursions and they trashed it because it was useless cause it wasn't a PvP item.
People need to wake up and realize CCP isn't going to hand out a T4 ship that is the end all of PvP to everyone in game.
Now they might hand out another ship/tool that allows you the potential of getting something really nice if you are willing to go after it.
This might be the most useful item CCP has ever given out for X-mas.
Give the man a cigar ....
Until you stop and think that every other frigate in the game can do exactly the same job, can fit multiple codebreakers, a propulsion mod AND a tank. Unless they are Caladari frigs, in which case lolcaldari :3
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Tyber Zaan
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:42:00 -
[84]
For those of you who don't want theirs. Just contract it to me kthx.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:42:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
My only complaint is that CCP clearly doesn't know what "acceptable A-symmetry" is. **** that thing is ugly.
CCP...we have enough ugly ass ships on the market. Please make ships look good.
Sadly, I have to agree with this. We could have had a pretty shiny useless ship. I guess concord is finally getting their new models and they had a lot of spare ugly old ones ...
And 1 med slot, 3 rig .. what??
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:44:00 -
[86]
Originally by: LordElfa
Wow, just wow. I'm not talking about CCP either. Some people in this thread have voiced some obvious concerns but other have just been outright *******s about this. I hope that CCP comes through this thread and writes down some names and remembers who not to give this ship to on the 14th.
Oh man.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
trevormax
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:54:00 -
[87]
Edited by: trevormax on 09/12/2010 17:55:11
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
My only complaint is that CCP clearly doesn't know what "acceptable A-symmetry" is. **** that thing is ugly.
CCP...we have enough ugly ass ships on the market. Please make ships look good. You are 1 for 3 this year...not including the Scorpion redesign.
Pff! Symmetry is for the feeble-minded.
And anyway, if it's symmetry you want, the Scorp (as well as every other ship except maybe the Zephyr) needs to be redesigned.
But it's not symmetry that he wants. He is commenting about acceptable asymmetry. As in, making a ship which is not symmetrical but still looks nice/acceptable. Examples being the Mach (mostly symmetrical but it has that engine looking thing on one side), Kessie, Thorax etc which are not symmetrical but still look good.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:54:00 -
[88]
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:55:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Skippermonkey
I think a picture of George Michael asleep as the wheel, would have been far better. Seriously.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Fallen Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:57:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Tornan
thanks ccp. looking forward to it.
Me too. I like the look of the ship, and am happy with the free gift. 
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:03:00 -
[91]
Just so you know atm on sisi Echelon requires Amarr Frig II, which people should have anyway since the other races suck
Originally by: Kool StoryBro
<---
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Spam post removed.
Random forum moments ftw |
krickettt
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:13:00 -
[92]
Where's the new EVE font :'(.....
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Captain Futur3
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:15:00 -
[93]
CCP, you know what would be a REAL gift for everyone and that would be 100 times more useful?
A redesigned Dominix, Tempest, Moa,... the old cyno effect or engine trails.
There is sooo much people are wishing every week and you just ignore them/us all. Instead you design a new ship that we will never see anywhere than in our hangars :(.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:25:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Captain Megadeath on 09/12/2010 18:33:20
As someone said, indeed the Zephyr MKII
Ingame, the Zephyr was used by shady elements to map out and study the wormholes as the unsuspecting capsuleers flew said hacked ships in WH space. Sansha start to use info to "make" their own wormholes to snatch peeps.
One of the events showed that one of Concord officers was on the take, on sanshas payroll as it were, and spreading false info, was caught and dismissed. Now we get a free Concord ship that will help defeat the Sansha horde...... Yeah right
Just ignore those Sansha implants there
/RP off.
This is just an ingame storyline object that will rust in my hanger beside my zephyr. Nothing more.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:29:00 -
[95]
The good news is that it can fit 2 EANMs, 3 hardeners, 2 1600mm RT plates, a large rep, 4 hacking modules and a 10mn mwd... oh and has a 600m3 drome bay with 125 bandwidth.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:30:00 -
[96]
I'm hoping a real ship eventually uses this ship model, as I quite like the model. (hated apoth and zephyr models).
So, this 'gift' is really only worthwhile as a harbinger of things to come.
As a frigate with one module slot that cannot be rebuilt if lost, it's completely useless and relegated to hanger adornment.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:31:00 -
[97]
its a cool ship and will be fun to spin around. But when are we going to get a useful holiday ship say like the TORNADO battleship.
Honestly if you could mount a probe launcher on it, some guns and fit a small tank it would be useful. Till then i still have my exploration t3.
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Miriam Letisse
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:38:00 -
[98]
I understand what they're doing and even appreciate the sentiment, but whyyyy? They keep introducing special holiday ships that they know people will only ever keep as trophies, why not make them useful trophies at the same time?
P.S. Stats
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fanaka
Full Metal Gimp Suit
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:46:00 -
[99]
zephyr cost me sec grind, here i go again |
Sazkyen
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:50:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Cournai
It is free so can't complain much... but disappointing.
QFT
CCP managed to fascinate me once again. Well, it's a free gift that much is true. 
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Kaito Kenshin
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:51:00 -
[101]
Sweet! Free trit!
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Lorieen
AQ Militis Seprentia
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:53:00 -
[102]
At least it better then the a kick in the nuts they gave us with the other removal of learning skills christmas present.
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VanNostrum
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:55:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
This is like getting socks for xmas. But not only this, socks that are too small.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:00:00 -
[104]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 09/12/2010 19:00:27
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Tyber Zaan
ITT:
"WAAAAHHHH! I HATE THIS GIFT CCP! I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT! I WANT MORE GIVE ME MORE NOW WAAAH"
ITT: "What do you mean you don't want a lump of coal for Christmas? It's a gift ffs!"
here jimmy! we got you an N64 for Christmas!
"WAHHHHH I WANTED A PLAYSTATION, Nintendo is ****, THANKS FOR TH COAL MOM"
mom goes off and cries
good job crumples
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:00:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Lorieen
At least it better then the a kick in the nuts they gave us with the other removal of learning skills christmas present.
Be glad I'm not in charge or you wouldn't be getting an SP refund for comments like that.
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:04:00 -
[106]
Can't complain about free stuff.
But I want to.
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Yakiv Petrov
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:08:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Yakiv Petrov on 09/12/2010 19:08:51
Did no-one notice that, unlike the Zephyr, the Echelon and the Sansha codebreaker have blueprints on SiSi?
http://eve-files.com/dl/233894
http://eve-files.com/dl/233895
So maybe we will see more of it in the near future!
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:10:00 -
[108]
Originally by: rufeno
here's the basic stats (available from sisi)
struct: 274
armor: 305
shield: 235
cap: 187
target range: 20km
max target: 4
scan res: 700mm
radar sensor: 6p
sign: 33m
max velocity: 404 m/sec
WS: 6 au/s
1 med slot, 3 rig.
require amarr frigate II
Right Click > Reprocess
Unless it has PG for a mwd and MSE, then might be a fun shuttle... otherwise this will never be used.
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universe slayer
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:14:00 -
[109]
what the hell is this, as many have already said this is going to be another complete waste, why not make a ship that we can actually use in game other than it sitting in station never being used??
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:20:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Sazkyen on 09/12/2010 19:20:50
Originally by: universe slayer
what the hell is this, as many have already said this is going to be another complete waste, why not make a ship that we can actually use in game other than it sitting in station never being used??
E.g., some uber shuttle that is immune to all forms of e-warfare. People would actually use it and, eventually, lose it. Also, it would allow for epic whinings on the forum.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:23:00 -
[111]
Originally by: universe slayer
what the hell is this, as many have already said this is going to be another complete waste, why not make a ship that we can actually use in game other than it sitting in station never being used??
Because then they couldn't really give it out as a gift.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:27:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: universe slayer
what the hell is this, as many have already said this is going to be another complete waste, why not make a ship that we can actually use in game other than it sitting in station never being used??
Because then they couldn't really give it out as a gift.
Why would that matter if everyone gets one?
Meep Meep!
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digitalwanderer
Gallente
DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:41:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Alyth
Edited by: Alyth on 09/12/2010 17:39:50
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: Draconyx
Edited by: Draconyx on 09/12/2010 17:13:20
"However, the true beauty of the Echelon is in the adaptive synchronization of capsuleers and Sansha codebreaking components, creating a system predicted to give capsuleers an edge over even the strongest of the Nation's encryption locks."
I am going to laugh when people find out they need this ship and/or the module to unlock items in Incursions and they trashed it because it was useless cause it wasn't a PvP item.
People need to wake up and realize CCP isn't going to hand out a T4 ship that is the end all of PvP to everyone in game.
Now they might hand out another ship/tool that allows you the potential of getting something really nice if you are willing to go after it.
This might be the most useful item CCP has ever given out for X-mas.
Give the man a cigar ....
Until you stop and think that every other frigate in the game can do exactly the same job, can fit multiple codebreakers, a propulsion mod AND a tank. Unless they are Caladari frigs, in which case lolcaldari :3
Unless,the odds are better at codebreaking for specific sansha incursion sites,like the description of the ship clearly states it,at least compared to currently available modules....Shocking i know...
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:42:00 -
[114]
I wonder if this this will be ignored by Incursion NPCs. It has no resistances and would easily be one-shotted so I assume it has some special undocumented feature/bug.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:03:00 -
[115]
I'll tell you what this ship needs... a built in cloak. No module.... just the generic ability to cloak. That would make it useful for something...
still... I like it. The ship looks cool. I don't know why everyone is complaining about the gift ship. It could just as easily been another snowball launcher and some snowballs that don't fit in a station freezer. I like taking my Christmas victory lap in a new ship... just for the hell of it. For everything else there's the Nighthawk and the Onyx. If CCP isn't giving away a command interdictor, than I already have what I need for most of my other operations. Thanks for the ship, CCP!
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"A hungry man will tell you anything if you give him a cookie." |
Zagdul
Gallente
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:11:00 -
[116]
CCP trolls are the best trolls.
Maximum signature size is 24,000 bytes. Spitfire
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:26:00 -
[117]
Will pay 10 mil for the ship+mod to anyone that doesn't want it from release to a week before Incursion launch. Simply contract it to me and I'll gladly take them off your ungrateful hands.
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-Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it- |
OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:31:00 -
[118]
Upon consideration:
This entire thing is a CCP troll. And a very nicely done one at that.
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Saelie
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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:33:00 -
[119]
I see it as a free hangar ornament. It's nice, but I'll probably never use it.
That said, I also wonder if it's a hint from CCP. After all, the news articles have mentioned a *lot* of electronics systems, information networks, etc, and now we're getting a ship with a codebreaker... Maybe Hacking will play some sort of role in the incursions in the future?
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:37:00 -
[120]
Another lump of coal from CCP Santa.
That's what we get with so many of us being naughty all year long. 
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Otto Toten
Minmatar
The Real OC
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:49:00 -
[121]
I agree with many that the Echelon will just collect dust at the back of hangers.
Why can't we get a useful gift that we would actually use?
Why not a frig you could take into battle? Lose it and be done with it.:)
My two Zephyrs also collect dust.
meh.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:55:00 -
[122]
The thing to remember here is that CCP isn't just one group of people -- it's an organization with many areas, including art, bugfixing, server maintenance, etc.
They can't just instantly restructure the organization to redirect efforts to the particular area that happens to be the hot issue of the week. So if they let the art developers work on a neat new frigate so we can get a christmas present, that's really not a bad choice -- those guys aren't going to be able to solve any lag problems anyway, and the model might prove useful in the future for something else.
While I am unlikely to ever fly the ship, I welcome the present as a charming ornament that might decorate my station in Incarna -- or perhaps for something even better, like the Noctis.
Thank you, CCP. It is a charming model, and I'm quite fond of it.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:57:00 -
[123]
CCP once again proving they are the masters of trolling and griefing players. Well played, CCP well played.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:58:00 -
[124]
Oh goody...it will compliment the other usless ship that sits in my hanger. Oh well, its free...yawn.
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Ceti Lomax
Minmatar
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2010.12.09 21:04:00 -
[125]
Dear CCP Santa,
I'ld like a new snowball launcher for Christmas.
My old snowballs melted
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.09 22:09:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Muad 'dib
Originally by: Tippia
Because then they couldn't really give it out as a gift.
Why would that matter if everyone gets one?
Because "everyone having one" is not a factor in balancing and because, pretty soon, everyone will not have one.
Anything that has any kind of mainstream value, should be produced by players or, if given as a gift, be very very very very rare (so the value in having it is far higher than the value in using it).
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Triple Entendre
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Posted - 2010.12.09 22:17:00 -
[127]
It'll have engine trails though, right?
RIGHT?!
Originally by: CCP Zulu
You're assuming I read threads before I turdpost in them :)
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.09 22:17:00 -
[128]
What was that?
A new storyline of how CONCORD is going to attack, with your help, Sansha bases in Jove territory? Say it isn't so!
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Nomad Vherokic
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Posted - 2010.12.09 22:38:00 -
[129]
Complete and utter feeling of nothing in particular... I used the Zephyr... once... Primae... twice... there's a theme with these free ships CCP = Completely Crap Presents...
The only freebie I have ever flown consistently was the Apotheosis, purely because it looked like half a stolen bicycle wheel, and that just rocks my hairy gorilla loving lobes...
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Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Fallen Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.09 23:08:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Nomad Vherokic
STUFF, got some here, TAKERS?
Dibs! Contracted to this Character in any hi-sec station. Thanks in advance !
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Myronik
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Posted - 2010.12.09 23:17:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Myronik on 09/12/2010 23:21:02
Edited by: Myronik on 09/12/2010 23:20:12
Edited by: Myronik on 09/12/2010 23:17:26
Raw video from SiSi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJvwgAZl7H8
Personally i think this is a cool xmas surprise. It meant to be surprise isnt it? Noone expected sudden Concord frigate. 
And also this is a mass gift - you can do whatever you want with it, like with any corporate gift at your work for example.
Really what you all whiners want as a gift? Jovian battleship with Doomsday device on it and "I win" button?
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.12.09 23:19:00 -
[132]
Frankly I would have prefered snow balls...
I think the art of symetry was lost on the wrong side of the EVE gate when it colapsed.
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Pell Grahnm
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Posted - 2010.12.09 23:59:00 -
[133]
Honestly yes I am disappointed, not in the new ship particularly, I could give a rats a** less about the new ornament. The main issue with me is the man hours wasted on just that , an ornament. This happens while the poor Ishkur has had a lazy turret mount on the lower port winglet forever (even before graphics revamp if I remember)not to mention the textureless look of the hurricanes rear engine cluster. Yes I have read the posts here that ship designers/modelers could not have fixed actual bugs, but what about actually fixing the ships that have something glaringly wrong instead of making us a cheap dollar store toy filled with lead and cadmium. |
Lopsy Lu
Funky Bass Line
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Posted - 2010.12.10 00:12:00 -
[134]
Geez, what a whinefest.
And yet I always hear how much more mature the Eve player base is. Funny, that.
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The Git
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Posted - 2010.12.10 00:16:00 -
[135]
I'm gonna' hang it from my rearview mirror in the Domi.
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Glyken Touchon
Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2010.12.10 00:43:00 -
[136]
I'm quite happy with it.
Modelling etc: It wouldn't suprise me if there was a stash of various flavour ship models somewhere that can be completed quickly for implementation.
balancing: none required. any other new ship/subsystem requires balancing. Granted, maybe some art time could have been spent fixing the texture on another ship, but if they're redoing the whole model from scratch in the (ahem) near future, then why bother?
What I would love is if the blueprints for the gift ships became available a year or so after the initial release. Either BPOs on market, or preferably BPCs through some loyalty stores(Interbus?) or loot drops.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
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Posted - 2010.12.10 00:59:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Kalle Demos
I really wanted an unholy rage
That's what I wanted too!
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
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Posted - 2010.12.10 01:09:00 -
[138]
I blame this sadness on short memories.
Since when did CCP give out anything useful in the way of free christmas gifts? Snowball launchers, shuttles, frigate with 1 slot, surely you expected less?
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NiGHTSintodreams
Racketeers
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Posted - 2010.12.10 01:11:00 -
[139]
I think the Echelon looks pretty cool. I like it for the same reason I like the Zephyr-- the design. Also, part of what makes the Zephyr so cool is it's description and the idea behind its design (the solar sail). The Echelon also has a look unique from any other ship in EVE, and hopefully it too has a cool back story. Guess I'm just repeating myself now, but these free ships give great new ways for RPers to enjoy the game.
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Brannoncyll
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Posted - 2010.12.10 01:40:00 -
[140]
I'm just sad that once it gets blown up there is no guarantee that I will ever be able to replace it. For this reason I don't think I will use it, just keep it in the hangar for posterity.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.10 02:03:00 -
[141]
Oh crap I really hope this ship is not integral to defeating Sansha because most of them are going to get suicide-ganked.
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podlol
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Posted - 2010.12.10 02:34:00 -
[142]
The point is CCP used the ****ing phrases "new area of development" and "something the player base has requested for a long time" in describing the 2nd gift. Waste of time and a worthless ship isnt "new development" ccp does that all the time. Thanks for lying ccp. Dont use those two phrases to get us anxious then give us a waste of a ship. |
Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.10 02:40:00 -
[143]
Originally by: podlol
The point is CCP used the ****ing phrases "new area of development" and "something the player base has requested for a long time" in describing the 2nd gift. Waste of time and a worthless ship isnt "new development" ccp does that all the time. Thanks for lying ccp. Dont use those two phrases to get us anxious then give us a waste of a ship.
[citation needed]
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.10 03:26:00 -
[144]
This ship is a stain on the concord name.
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Shuckstar
Gallente
Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2010.12.10 03:48:00 -
[145]
Originally by: VanNostrum
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
This is like getting socks for xmas. But not only this, socks that are too small.
QFT, another useless ship to go in my hangar and never be used, but nope no one's getting it of me
You are going to fast! Wait five minutes and try again.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
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Posted - 2010.12.10 05:18:00 -
[146]
It could be a CCP joke. Maybe there's something else in the works and they're winding us up?
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Puchu
Rood Inverse
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Posted - 2010.12.10 07:16:00 -
[147]
this should have been a special hacker module, not a ship.
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2010.12.10 07:18:00 -
[148]
Apparently folks need some Game Business 101...
#1 You release one-of-a-kind, never to be reproduced ship with a semblance of utility. The utility is to get people to fly it...and lose it...thus increasing the value of the ship and adding to the collection of "Ships that are Cool Because You Don't Have One."
#2 Said ship is so cool that you only make it available a short period of time.
#3 Players renew alternate (or all if on holiday break from EVE) to get rare, never to be reproduced ship. One month will be paid on various accounts that don't actually need to be renewed in order to get ship (or multiples of ship).
#4 CCP makes the most money from a single-month subscription fee for each account renewed simply for a new ship. Those who pay attention will notice you save more money for more months bought in advance.
#5 Players go "Oh goody, cool ship" every now and then, Potential Players go "Wow, they give cool stuff and free expansions! /subscribe", CCP gets extra cash-flow, and the wheel of game business keeps on turning.
Rinse, Repeat as needed.
I like getting nifty ships...they sort of act as a history-book in my hangar for cool, and not so cool, moments in my EVE career. Seriously folks, you're getting an expansion (for free, unlike other games?) that is in three parts because it packs so many features (and fixes! Yay Rockets!) such as the brand new character creator (Can we say Incarna around the Corner?). Cease whining. If you want an actual 'usable' ship (like the Noctis, but combat wise) get into the F&I or AH forums and come up with something!!!
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Shaalira D'arc
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Posted - 2010.12.10 07:37:00 -
[149]
Just to reiterate a common sentiment - I hope it gets the Primae -> Noctis treatment. I hate to see working models unused save for one-off ships that, by and large, stay in the hangar.
Incursions is said to open up the CONCORD loyalty point store, though, so I'm fairly optimistic that we'll see another Noctis type re-release.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.12.10 08:06:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
I blame this sadness on short memories.
Since when did CCP give out anything useful in the way of free christmas gifts? Snowball launchers, shuttles, frigate with 1 slot, surely you expected less?
At least you can have loads of fun with snowballs.
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McRoll
Minmatar
The Legion of Darkness
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Posted - 2010.12.10 08:50:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Alias 6322A
Apparently folks need some Game Business 101...
#1 You release one-of-a-kind, never to be reproduced ship with a semblance of utility. The utility is to get people to fly it...and lose it...thus increasing the value of the ship and adding to the collection of "Ships that are Cool Because You Don't Have One."
#2 Said ship is so cool that you only make it available a short period of time.
#3 Players renew alternate (or all if on holiday break from EVE) to get rare, never to be reproduced ship. One month will be paid on various accounts that don't actually need to be renewed in order to get ship (or multiples of ship).
#4 CCP makes the most money from a single-month subscription fee for each account renewed simply for a new ship. Those who pay attention will notice you save more money for more months bought in advance.
#5 Players go "Oh goody, cool ship" every now and then, Potential Players go "Wow, they give cool stuff and free expansions! /subscribe", CCP gets extra cash-flow, and the wheel of game business keeps on turning.
Rinse, Repeat as needed.
I like getting nifty ships...they sort of act as a history-book in my hangar for cool, and not so cool, moments in my EVE career. Seriously folks, you're getting an expansion (for free, unlike other games?) that is in three parts because it packs so many features (and fixes! Yay Rockets!) such as the brand new character creator (Can we say Incarna around the Corner?). Cease whining. If you want an actual 'usable' ship (like the Noctis, but combat wise) get into the F&I or AH forums and come up with something!!!
That doesn't explain however why the Echelon cannot have a usable slot layout. For its intended role as a exploration vessel it must have at least 3 mids (prop mod, analyzer, hacker) and at least 1 high (probe launcher/salvager). Also, a role bonus to scanner probe strength and/or hacker/analyzer strength would be appreciated. This way it would have some real value and many more people would resub for it, so CCP would get more money. I don't see the problem there, is it because it would inject too much ISK into the economy if the ship would be worth a lot?
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.12.10 09:07:00 -
[152]
I think its neat, I'm putting it in my hangar at Yulai with all the other rare ships I don't fly because they are too rare. Thanks CCP.
Originally by: Samuel Langhorne Clemens
I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.
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ZenSun
Total Mayhem.
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.12.10 10:55:00 -
[153]
Confirming that this represents the lump of coal in my stocking :(
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Suboran
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.10 11:04:00 -
[154]
great another useless ship to sit in my hanger, I bet it doesnt even have any drone bay so its useless for any pvp action.
Coal in stocking
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Eyeama Spy
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Posted - 2010.12.10 11:44:00 -
[155]
Did i read this right? 'The advanced cryptographic processors on board provide superior hacking capabilities for use on most known password-secured devices'.Can i go stealing from password secured containers floating in space...can i hack into that password protected pos and empty the hanger into the empty parked supercap and run away?
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Killian Burns
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Posted - 2010.12.10 11:49:00 -
[156]
As suggested on russian forum, in ten years we can combine all those ships in one huge Voltron. The secret plan is now uncovered
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Zoe Alarhun
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Posted - 2010.12.10 11:56:00 -
[157]
Thanks for the neat looking ship with a interesting role CCP.
Look forward to flying it
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Industrial Exploits
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Posted - 2010.12.10 12:28:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Eyeama Spy
Can i go stealing from password secured containers floating in space...can i hack into that password protected pos and empty the hanger into the empty parked supercap and run away?
yes... and u really think ccp will release a free ship/mod ingame which can do that?
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.12.10 12:33:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Shuckstar
stuff...
Nice sig... except you spelt 'whinge' wrong.
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:45:00 -
[160]
The absence of proof of use does not prove the absence of use.
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Piyale Pasa
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Posted - 2010.12.10 15:19:00 -
[161]
Anyone else holding onto the Jovian body part, from the T1 cloak BPO event?
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2010.12.10 16:04:00 -
[162]
Like others have said, if you don't want it, don't use it. Don't even redeem it. No one cares. Whining about it just makes you look like idiots.
It's a cool model, and an interesting function. Here's hoping they make one for archaeology too.
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SwitchBl4d3
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2010.12.10 16:41:00 -
[163]
Edited by: SwitchBl4d3 on 10/12/2010 16:42:18
This is about as useful as when that Jove blew up and we received part of his nut-sack in our hangers!
Originally by: Stavros
BUNGLE IN JUNGLE? J tHX OMG YEAH CHICKEN WINGS K? LOLLER SKATESWIHT LUBE K?
MIUOINKEYT!!!
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.12.10 16:55:00 -
[164]
its a gift get over it.
i wouldnt care if for a year they gave us something useful but im happy even with this one
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.10 17:28:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Lise Kahel
I reject all of your arguments and simply state; ship designers can't fix bugs. Irrefutable fact, period.
Well, they could fix ship-designs, no?
There are some models out there which are in dare need of some fixes..
I don't know if CCP will ever implement their small-fixes program, which should come out of all this SCRUM, but the last thing in this regard from the art-team was the Scorpion.
By now we should be running around with new Dominix, Armageddon and Typhoon if SCRUM was working.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.12.10 19:26:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Kalle Demos
I really wanted an unholy rage
That's what I wanted too!
After reading this thread I think you got exactly what you asked for but not in the way you thought.
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.12.10 19:28:00 -
[167]
Would look better with one wing on both sides as opposed to just the single.
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Sefner
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Posted - 2010.12.10 19:48:00 -
[168]
Zeph=immune to sleepers
Echelon=immune to Sansha?
Would kinda make sense-theres at least some Sansha sites coming that will need hacking to complete, so before the spider tanked uber player fleet jumps in, "send in the Echelons!".
Just a thought, though thanks for free stuff regardless.
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Scorpyn
Warp Ghosts Omega
Spectres of the Deep
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Posted - 2010.12.10 20:50:00 -
[169]
After skimming through this thread, I have come to the conclusion that the EVE playerbase consists of far more really annoying crybabies than I thought
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