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Pocket Ace5	Posted - 2011.01.05 15:01:00 - [1] It's about time we are able to purchase our skills directly and I'll lay out my reasons here. A subscription costs 15$ a month. Skill training time is tied to time. With a level V skill at the very least taking 5 days for that 30 days. That means it costs 6 dollars. Obviously there are some that cost the full 30 or more but this is just an example of how $ are already tied to skills. In the character bazaar. The cost used to be ~250m for every 1b skill points. It's slightly distorted now but I won't go into that. A plex costs 15$ and is worth ~340m ISK which fluctuates obviously. But that translates roughly into about 50$ for an ok starter character. The more you spend the more you get obviously. With real $ already being tied so closely with skill points why can't we simply buy PLEX via the game already available, convert them to PLEX credit and use it to boost out skills. In game now there is a method where you can 'reverse redeem' meaning you can buy plex with ISK and then reverse redeem it and have 2 plex on your account. This is mainly used for character transfers as it stands now. So people would still be able to grind ISK to boost their skill points and it would just be people with real $ able to do it. So it would be fair and it would make more sense then the clumsy way it ALREADY happens now.
Wiki Leaks	Posted - 2011.01.05 15:03:00 - [2] Originally by: Pocket Ace5 It's about time we are able to purchase our skills directly and I'll lay out my reasons here. I don't care about your reasons. I already agree.
BellaDonna Nyghtshade	Posted - 2011.01.05 15:07:00 - [3] Originally by: Pocket Ace5 .........it ALREADY happens now. If it already happens now, WTF are you whining about. Just do it the way "it ALREADY happens now".
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2011.01.05 15:39:00 - [4] Buying skills would destroy 1 of the major concepts that helps make eve online the great game it is. If you could buy all the skills you need to do whatever you want ingame, the game would become boring and pointless very quickly. there would be nothing left to work or strive for. this idea has been suggested and rejected many times and will hopefully never happen. the amount of emo rage quitting would drawf anything we've seen ingame to date. I have to give this idea a big fat NO. á
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2011.01.05 15:43:00 - [5] Complete, 100%, without-a-question NO. Eve is a game of time vs reward. Remove the time, there is no point in playing as the reward has no value. ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Myxx Risen Angels	Posted - 2011.01.05 15:43:00 - [6] OP: STFU. It wont happen, take a look at the microtransactions threadnaught. -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Ur235 Aliastra	Posted - 2011.01.05 15:53:00 - [7] Why the hell would you want to do that you would no longer have to work for anything and the real benefactors would be those people who have lots of money like the ones buying GTC all the time And then the poor sutdents like me who has played eve since 2004 would be overtaken by rich fckers who have put nowhere near as much effort into the game as I have but have rich parents. Basically I would quit straight away and im pretty sure most of the other oldschool players would to and sooner or later eve would be dead STUPID IDEA seriously wtf no more ******ed ideas like these please for the love of god stop crying and keep training
Serpents smile	Posted - 2011.01.05 15:53:00 - [8] Lol, gdiaf OP. You don't get EVE. Get your flatulent ass back to wow. Bye.
Wiki Leaks	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Serpents smile You don't get EVE. Standard unquantifiable answer. The simple fact remains, nobody knows a good reason why not to sell skills directly, they always end up at this common back stop excuse. Many people will turn up and claim to know a good reason, then spout out their "good" reason, only for it to have no basis in reality, the legion of secret millionaires who are going to flood eve with supertitan pilots being their very favourite. Simply though, they have no idea, but they do know they fear change.
Reign Down Minmatar X-ORE	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:18:00 - [10] I hope this never ever happens to EVE...would ruin it completely. ______________________________________________________

Isaac Apylon As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Wiki Leaks Originally by: Serpents smile You don't get EVE. Standard unquantifiable answer. The simple fact remains, nobody knows a good reason why not to sell skills directly Because it will murderize Eve. Sell skills, and the game dies shortly after. Serpents is right, if you don't understand why, you probably never will (your obstinate attitude reinforces that idea). Now that a slightly legitimate response has been offered: 0/10. Pretty terrible try, OP. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Wiki Leaks Originally by: Serpents smile You don't get EVE. Standard unquantifiable answer. The simple fact remains, nobody knows a good reason why not to sell skills directly, they always end up at this common back stop excuse. Many people will turn up and claim to know a good reason, then spout out their "good" reason, only for it to have no basis in reality, the legion of secret millionaires who are going to flood eve with supertitan pilots being their very favourite. Simply though, they have no idea, but they do know they fear change. Actually plenty of reasons have been given, but you only singled out the one that supported your statement the most. Here is the best reason for not selling that I can think of: Eve does not have levels. It is not WoW where you level to 80 (or whatever it is now) and get the best gear. Eve is all about time spent. Time is Eve's 'levels'. Time is the only thing we have in Eve that can be considered "Experience Points". If you remove EXP from WoW and just let people purchase a max-level toon with the best gear, then what is the point in the game? There would be nothing more to strive for. Same thing would happen in Eve. If you could buy SP with PLEX or some other method, then what is the point in playing? If you are playing Eve for the sole purpose of getting into a Titan, then let me assure you that you are playing for all the wrong reasons. Eve has a natural progression of pilots. Start with tackle, progress to damage dealing, progress to capitals, etc. (All optional of course.) Allow people to buy their way past progression points removes the balance of the game and would probably have far reaching economic impacts in game as well. ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:28:00 - [13] Edited by: Tippia on 05/01/2011 16:30:15 Originally by: Wiki Leaks The simple fact remains, nobody knows a good reason why not to sell skills directly False. There are plenty of good reasons, but the gimenow-crowd would like this not to be the case, so they simply turn a deaf ear to it so they can keep saying that there are no good reasons. The reason is very simple: it would remove the balance of ability progression and it would reduce the staying/holding-power of the game. It would also make skills entirely pointless, which would make the change itself pointless. Oh, and btwà Originally by: Pocket Ace5 In the character bazaar [à] it ALREADY happens now. No, it does not. There is a very significant difference between what you're suggesting and what we have right now. Can you spot it? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Gecko O'Bac Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 05/01/2011 16:30:15 Originally by: Wiki Leaks The simple fact remains, nobody knows a good reason why not to sell skills directly False. There are plenty of good reasons, but the gimenow-crowd would like this not to be the case, so they simply turn a deaf ear to it so they can keep saying that there are no good reasons. The reason is very simple: it would remove the balance of ability progression and it would reduce the staying/holding-power of the game. It would also make skills entirely pointless, which would make the change itself pointless. Oh, and btwà Originally by: Pocket Ace5 In the character bazaar [à] it ALREADY happens now. No, it does not. There is a very significant difference between what you're suggesting and what we have right now. Can you spot it? Memememe! It's actually 2 reasons: 1) The total SP pool of all characters is unchanged by bazar trading and, 2) The SP pool you can acquire from the bazar is limited in size by being AT MOST as much as the highest SP pool in the game, you can't increase it in any way other than... Paying and playing. That said, I vote for troll OP.
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:39:00 - [15] Why does every new forum troll have to go through the same "ideas" over and over again? Be original.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:42:00 - [16] Edited by: Wacktopia on 05/01/2011 16:42:35 This is the reason why I don't come into GD much any more: lots of 'suggestion' threads that should be in the 'Features and Ideas' section but are here because OP thinks their idea is so ground-breaking that it simply must be in GD. If you could buy skills the game would become broken and boring. There would be no anticipation and planning of fits as you progress through your skill training. I think you are asking the question because you like the idea of a 1 month old char with 100mil SP so you can bait people who look at char age and estimate SP. If you really want high skills instantly then go take a look at the chars for sale for ISK... /nosupport
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:44:00 - [17] Quote: secret millionaires Ah, I see one of our old school trolls has reappeared. I would not have caught it, but you love to beat that meme to death. I personally am not a big fan of letting people drop a couple of hundred bucks to have their current character upskilled to a fully skilled Titan pilot. We have too many of them in game now. Perhaps "you" gain your enjoyment from a game by bragging that you have the highest level this, and the highest possible skills in that, but most of us only enjoy making those statements if they have actually earned the right to brag... not because they bought them. Now I realize that in actuality you are attempting to be clever... and that in truth this is a stealth whine about being able to buy highly skilled characters in the Bazaar (for those of you who haven't picked up on it yet). I'm not going to argue all that much with you about that as I personally am not a big fan of buying/selling characters. Obviously, buying a high level character is less damaging to the game than the ability to insta-create as many high level characters as you wish to fund... but you already knew that. Anyway, carry on. Just keep in mind you're not quite as clever as you think you are. ===== My mission? To kill the enemy and break their toys SIR!!!.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Memememe! It's actually 2 reasons: 1) The total SP pool of all characters is unchanged by bazar trading and, 2) The SP pool you can acquire from the bazar is limited in size by being AT MOST as much as the highest SP pool in the game, you can't increase it in any way other than... Paying and playing. <cookie /> ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Why does every new forum troll have to go through the same "ideas" over and over again? Be original. Because sooner or later some bean counter from the marketing department with no idea about how the game actually works or why it's successful will stumble across one of the threads and think "wow, that's a cool way to get new people involved" Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.01.05 17:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Wiki Leaks The simple fact remains, nobody knows a good reason why not to sell skills directly Yes because we need even more supercap alts only this time they can simply redirect their rat botting income to make them instantly. So no.

Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2011.01.05 17:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Originally by: Wiki Leaks The simple fact remains, nobody knows a good reason why not to sell skills directly Yes because we need even more supercap alts only this time they can simply redirect their rat botting income to make them instantly. So no. Again, he really doesn't want purchasable skills. This thread is just a stealth whine about being able to buy characters in the Bazaar. In his mind it's just as bad to be able to buy a highly skilled character there, so why not make your point by exaggerating it slightly and pretend to be in favor of going one step further... to simply allow people to buy the skills they wish for their own characters. I agree, he's not very good at this sort of thing... ===== My mission? To kill the enemy and break their toys SIR!!!.
Pocket Ace5	Posted - 2011.01.05 17:13:00 - [22] Edited by: Pocket Ace5 on 05/01/2011 17:15:00 Edited by: Pocket Ace5 on 05/01/2011 17:13:42 Everyone who is disagreeing is basically saying the point of this game is only to skill your character and watch that bar go by, tick, tock, tick, tock. Even though you can buy a stock character someone hasn't played on, hasn't watched the clock ticking by, Just skilling it to sell. Basically buying plex in a shockingly slow but more cost affordable way with subscription $. So you can then buy it with plex $ sell them and give it to him ISK. And we shouldn't make this whole thing simpler but just allowing people to directly build their own characters with PLEX? Because it would ruin the monotony of waiting months to do it?
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2011.01.05 17:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Pocket Ace5 Edited by: Pocket Ace5 on 05/01/2011 17:13:42 Everyone who is disagreeing is basically saying the point of this game is only to skill your character and watch that bar go by, tick, tock, tick, tock. Even though you can buy a stock character someone hasn't played on, hasn't watched the clock ticking by, Just skilling it to sell. Basically buying plex in a shockingly slow but more cost affordable way with subscription $. So you can then buy it with plex $ sell them and give it to him for ISK. And we shouldn't make this whole thing simpler but just allowing people to directly build their own characters with PLEX? Because it would ruin the monotony of waiting months to do it? See post 13 and 14. ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.01.05 17:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Joe SMASH Originally by: Pocket Ace5 Edited by: Pocket Ace5 on 05/01/2011 17:13:42 Everyone who is disagreeing is basically saying the point of this game is only to skill your character and watch that bar go by, tick, tock, tick, tock. Even though you can buy a stock character someone hasn't played on, hasn't watched the clock ticking by, Just skilling it to sell. Basically buying plex in a shockingly slow but more cost affordable way with subscription $. So you can then buy it with plex $ sell them and give it to him for ISK. And we shouldn't make this whole thing simpler but just allowing people to directly build their own characters with PLEX? Because it would ruin the monotony of waiting months to do it? See post 13 and 14. She saw them, but it is easier to spout that nonsense when you ignore what others actually write, make up your imaginary responses and respond only to them.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2011.01.05 17:22:00 - [25] Dear op, If this happened, ccp's 300k + accounts would go to less than 50,000 over night. NO TO MICROTRANSACTIONS THAT CHANGE GAMEPLAY! I want to say more but this thread already made my head hurt.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.05 17:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Pocket Ace5 Everyone who is disagreeing is basically saying the point of this game is only to skill your character Quite the opposite. It's usually the people suggesting that there needs to be ways to speed things up that has this absurd notion that the game is all about skills ù that's why they feel the need to speed things up. Everyone else have figured out that the point of the game is to play the game. The fact that you also accrue skill points while you do this is a rather happy coincidence, and the fact that this process is completely separated from the act of playing the game is what makes EVE rather unique. You progress in your skills while you play; you don't progress because you play. Oh, and btw. You might actually want to read what people write when making claims about what everyone who's disagreeing is saying. Otherwise you might make some foolish statement that reveals how clueless you are about the topic at handà Quote: Because it would ruin the monotony of waiting months to do it? There is no monotony to ruin unless you make it one. You're trying to solve a problem that you have created for yourself. The solution to this problem is for you to stop creating it ù not to change the game.
Alpheias	Posted - 2011.01.05 17:41:00 - [27] Nonsense like this belong on this.
Spurty Caldari V0LTA	Posted - 2011.01.05 17:45:00 - [28] skills for sale go go go
Minn Finn Minn Finn School of Chinn	Posted - 2011.01.05 17:46:00 - [29] Edited by: Minn Finn on 05/01/2011 17:46:47 noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo
bluenzo	Posted - 2011.01.05 18:34:00 - [30] Because if you buy a character on the bazar you are buying skills that have taken the time to been trained. If you could buy skillpoints you are magically creating skillpoints out of thin air with no one ever taking the time to train them. Answer: never



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