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Zethro
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Posted - 2011.01.19 06:44:00 -
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1. Trust me I was a ninja way before most.
2. Don't get mad, salvage is not worth your ship. Trust me they are after your ship, not the wrecks.
3. Never fire on them; they want you to. Remember, they want your ship. Even if you have 10 friends waiting to help, they have 20 ready to remote rep them that don't even have to be in the same corp. as them.
4. Take their time up; they are scanning new targets fast, so the longer they take with you the less killing they will do and it will annoy them more.
5. If you have time trick them. There are many ways to trick them, here is a list:
Missions have grids just like everything else in Eve. If you get a mission with ships that warp scramble, go in the first room in a expensive mission ship and fly off the grid. They can scan you over and over again, and no matter what, will show up at the first gate. When they go in you will be gone and a whole fleet of warp scramming rats will be there to kill them. This takes time out of your day, but if you going to be afk all day you might as well do it.
When they fly to the wrecks, set it blue right before they get there. This takes no time and is somewhat annoying to them .
Get a level 1 mission with ship restrictions. (For example; only assault ships and frigs can get in.) Most ninjas will scan and bait in the same crappie scanning frig to try and get you to fire on them, however, when they return itĘs most likely going to be in a battlecrusier or cruiser size ship to insure they get the kill. They will be annoyed when they canĘt get back in to kill you, but keep in mind that this just buys you time and a good laugh. They will most likely get a ship that can fit in the mission. (Note; if they donĘt leave however, they may get a scram on you with their crappie frig, then get a alt in a orca to bring them a better ship. It will really suck for them when they canĘt get their orca in.)
Learn to use your d-scaner. If you set the range to 100mill at 360 range you will see any thing in your mission. This includes any buddies he may have waiting on earlier gates to remote rep him. (Note; they could have buddies cloaked on those same gates so they will not show up.)
Don't talk to them at all. This is also what they want. They like the tears you give. I myself have a whole note pad saved in Eve of people begging for there ships.
If all else fails ignore them. Remember they WANT TO KILL YOU. They don't want your crappie rat wrecks TRUST ME.
Understand your missions. There are different rules for missions than anywhere else in Eve.
Missions last for seven days. You can always return back the next day.
Alas this is all I can remember of the top of my head. I am sure there is more, but this will have to do for now. Feel free to rage or add to this list. Good luck, and remember, Eve is a game. Try and have fun .
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.01.19 07:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Zethro
5. If you have time trick them. There are many ways to trick them, here is a list:
Missions have grids just like everything else in Eve. If you get a mission with ships that warp scramble, go in the first room in a expensive mission ship and fly off the grid. They can scan you over and over again, and no matter what, will show up at the first gate. When they go in you will be gone and a whole fleet of warp scramming rats will be there to kill them. This takes time out of your day, but if you going to be afk all day you might as well do it.
If you fly far enough out to spawn a new grid, they're going to be scanning you out on that grid. This does not work.
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Postitute
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Posted - 2011.01.19 07:46:00 -
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I usually give them my salvage/abandon wrecks and say hi in local. As the OP said, salvage/loot is not worth frustration or feeling "violated" over. Let it go, and go grab the next mission. I've rarely if ever had someone do the same on a second mission anyway.
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Stu Pid
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Posted - 2011.01.19 11:35:00 -
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I try to leave some rats in the first pocket alive if that is possible and do the rest of the mission and if I cant pass the gate without killing all rats then I pop all wrecks/loot when one shows up.
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Dramorn
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Posted - 2011.01.19 12:54:00 -
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I may be "doin' it wrong", but I am a ninja salvager.
I am NOT there for your ship. Why? Cause I don't have a ship that can take on battleships. I'm there for the salvage, and maybe a little bit to see if the mission runner cries. Salvaging provides income, parts for my corp, and something else to do when my luck is running low exploring or I don't feel like missioning. Heck, I LIKE it when people set wrecks blue. Thanks for the loot, mate! Couple days ago I had a guy offer to let me tag along on his next few missions to salvage; I made a pretty decent amount and had a good time just BSing with the guy.
Not everyone is a griefer. Some of us just want to clean up your mission.
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Malema
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Posted - 2011.01.19 14:05:00 -
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Had the weirdest experience with a Ninja the other day. Was doing Blockade LVL4 and the guy warps in with a rifter .
I decide to pop the trigger which spawns some w/s frigs and dessies . Punch the warp out button and dock , take a shower and prepare to enjoy the tears in local as per ususal.
I come back , and I see in the journal that the mission has been completed by the ninja.
Anyone seen ninjas go and finish missions ?
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Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2011.01.19 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zethro
1. Trust me I was a ninja way before most.
hahaha
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Salliene
Gallente
Cowboys and Beach Bums
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Posted - 2011.01.19 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Malema
Anyone seen ninjas go and finish missions ?
I've done this several times. The clever mission runner warps out, leaving me and my poor Taranis all alone surrounded by several 1 million+ ISK battleships. So I curse that mission runner who was way to smart for me and go back and get my Domi and then watch TV while my Ogre II's rake in a crap load of money on autopilot.
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Arduus Eruditio
Flimflam Productions
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Posted - 2011.01.19 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Salliene
I've done this several times. The clever mission runner warps out, leaving me and my poor Taranis all alone surrounded by several 1 million+ ISK battleships. So I curse that mission runner who was way to smart for me and go back and get my Domi and then watch TV while my Ogre II's rake in a crap load of money on autopilot.
Given that the mission-runner is probably autopiloting another mission nearby at this point, and gets the reward for both, I'd say he still came out ahead.
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Malema
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Posted - 2011.01.19 14:35:00 -
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Given that the mission-runner is probably autopiloting another mission nearby at this point, and gets the reward for both, I'd say he still came out ahead.
Yep pretty much , thanks for finishing my mission though.Easiest 8KLP I've ever made.
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Aderata Nonkin
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Posted - 2011.01.19 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zethro
1. Trust me I was a ninja way before most.
Of course you were, Budd. And I was the pope until I decided I'd be better off starting my own religion.
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Mister Agreeable
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Posted - 2011.01.19 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Salliene
get my Domi and then watch TV while my Ogre II's rake in a crap load of money on autopilot.
I like the choice of words you used. Domi, autopilot and crap load of money in the same sentence
Stick with this plan and you'll able to afford a titan. In 300 years.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.01.19 16:21:00 -
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Make sure you put your drones on passive as once they've got themselves set red by thieving there is a possibility agressive drones will attack them.
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Salliene
Gallente
Cowboys and Beach Bums
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Posted - 2011.01.19 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Agreeable
Stick with this plan and you'll able to afford a titan. In 300 years.
I don't want to own a Titan.
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Marianne Taggart
Brutor Junker and Scrapper Swarm
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Posted - 2011.01.19 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dramorn
I may be "doin' it wrong", but I am a ninja salvager.
I am NOT there for your ship. Why? Cause I don't have a ship that can take on battleships. I'm there for the salvage, and maybe a little bit to see if the mission runner cries. Salvaging provides income, parts for my corp, and something else to do when my luck is running low exploring or I don't feel like missioning. Heck, I LIKE it when people set wrecks blue. Thanks for the loot, mate! Couple days ago I had a guy offer to let me tag along on his next few missions to salvage; I made a pretty decent amount and had a good time just BSing with the guy.
Not everyone is a griefer. Some of us just want to clean up your mission.
I have to agree with this poster. When I ninja'd it was to train up my scanning skills and to make some decent early income. The first few times it's quite a thrill to be flying around huge battleships in a ultra fast nano'd salvage frig. Most MRs never seemed to care that I was there.
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Rashima Avetfar
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:09:00 -
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I like sitting at the warp in for room 3 (i think) of the lvl 4 recon mission. Sit there in my domi and tank the Gas that damages your ship. Then I type up a messgae for local and make it look like it was a convo typed in the wrong window about how much loot I'm getting and that I think my mission is bugged. without fail there's always one or 2 that warp in and pop to the enviroment. Then I in turn salvage them. I made almost 50m once just on the t2 salvage from the cov op probers that came in. avn't been able to do this in a long time cause i live out in 0.0 now and don't get back to empire much anymore.
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Salliene
Gallente
Cowboys and Beach Bums
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rashima Avetfar
I like sitting at the warp in for room 3 (i think) of the lvl 4 recon mission. Sit there in my domi and tank the Gas that damages your ship. Then I type up a messgae for local and make it look like it was a convo typed in the wrong window about how much loot I'm getting and that I think my mission is bugged. without fail there's always one or 2 that warp in and pop to the enviroment. Then I in turn salvage them. I made almost 50m once just on the t2 salvage from the cov op probers that came in. avn't been able to do this in a long time cause i live out in 0.0 now and don't get back to empire much anymore.
Sure you do.
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CRIMSON KNIGHTINGALE
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:49:00 -
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dont mission in a hub
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Julien Brellier
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:15:00 -
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Blow up your own wrecks and enjoy the ninja tears.
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Zaldibus
Vanguard Frontiers
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Zaldibus on 19/01/2011 19:26:31
Sure you do.
Just becuase I didn't post with my main doesn't make it untrue. :)
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Kaya Divine
Gallente
Kittens Factory
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Julien Brellier
Blow up your own wrecks
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Papa RainDance
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Papa RainDance on 19/01/2011 21:15:01
I'm in ure missionz, stealin' ure lewtz!
But seriously, destroying your own wrecks is just about the best you can do. You know they are just a scavenger if they just take salvage and leave loot. If they wanted to gank you, they'd aggro you by taking loot as well.
Good Hunting,
-Papa
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Vivian Ramasita
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zethro
Don't talk to them at all. This is also what they want.
This is insulting, and you are an ass. Of course ninjas want you to talk to them -- everyone wants people to talk to in an MMO!
Some of my favorite early experiences in Eve were when encountering ninjas and can-flippers. Menod Penter comes to mind (I loved how he "liberated" the ore in miners' cans) and, much later, Paul Clavet formerly of Suddenly Ninjas.
Consider: it's possible (and preferable) to unexpectedly encounter other pilots in Eve and have amusing experiences with them.
Also consider: "How to deal with ninjas" posts like this don't do anything but encourage high-strung solo players to continue behaving in a passively hostile manner (warping out, pointedly ignoring that another player is even there, etc.) that is not only holier-than-thou but also far more antisocial (almost pathological) than what the ninja is doing in the first place (engaging another player in an attempt to elicit a reaction or exchange).
If anyone wants real tips on how to deal with ninjas, check out my in-game bio.
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Sanadras Riahn
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:47:00 -
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We're not Ninja Salvagers. We're just the clean-up crew running ahead of schedule. You're all the jerks littering the system.
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Ascendancy
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:06:00 -
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just shoot your wrecks and watch them sit around, they usually get pretty bored and leave soon after lol
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Panhead4411
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Posted - 2011.01.19 23:09:00 -
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I had a guy come into a hvy level 3 i was doing w/ a BS just to make it quicker...the spawns were basically just regular frigs and a couple cruisers, but their added DPS if you don't watch the waves can take out a BC....
So this ninja jumped in, stole from one of the frigs then flies around me. I proceed to trigger the heaviest group. Then jump out.
Came back later, and he came back out for more frigates...i went and did other things. I just laughed b/c i had all day to do that mission (all week actually, since i was farming it), and knew every time i got him to warp in and check on me, it was just wasting his time, and kept others from getting ninja'd...
B/c scanning down a deadspace pocket is totes worth the loot from a couple regular rat frigs...
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Voith
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:56:00 -
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Why not just start a conversation with them and say "Hello, For 2 million ISK I will release the cans do you".
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.20 04:57:00 -
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I haven't been scanned down in a while by ninjas. I'm not sure what their technique is, but I stopped* using drones and marauders. I'm not sure if those are ninja-magnets or not, but it's been a while since I've seen one. I also stay away from hubs.
I guess it's a matter of not being "low-hanging fruit."
KB
*Ok, I use drones, but only in cases where I have no other option...I'm in a BS and have multiple frigs buzzing/webbing around me. In those cases I launch them and then return to drone bay immediately after the threat is gone.
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Miss Krunk
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Posted - 2011.01.20 08:11:00 -
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I dual log a Noctis, or have a corpmate in a Noctis. Ninja salvagers just can't work fast enough to beat a properly flown and rigged Noctis.
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Vivian Ramasita
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Posted - 2011.01.20 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Voith
Why not just start a conversation with them and say "Hello, For 2 million ISK I will release the cans do you".
I'd take that offer! You could even double it if the mission is right, or ask for half the salvage and loot contracted to you in the nearest station.
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JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.01.20 17:40:00 -
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Some of the information posted is wrong.. and I'm sure I've probably been a ninja for longer than you have :)
We *never* have 20 friends waiting to RR, a majority of this (85%) is done solo. Unionized ninjas tend to work alone unless in a salvage fleet or canflipping.
Setting it blue will make us switch from "Maybe I'll get to shoot" to "OK, thanks!"
Popping wrecks just makes me fly from wreck to wreck.
Leaving just makes me leave and come back to take the bounties, loot, AND salvage in a bigger ship.
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Conu Leonida
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Posted - 2011.01.20 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ascendancy
just shoot your wrecks and watch them sit around, they usually get pretty bored and leave soon after lol
If they don't want to do the co-op thing, shoot the wrecks.
I've met some nice people proposing them to join my fleet so they get bounties too and maybe extra points for the corp I'm running missions for. Of course, for a 20-25% of the salvage. Some even lent a hand for some nastier missions just so it would go faster.
If they didn't want to, I'd just blow the wrecks.
But I do like can-flippers that fly in my mission in a T2/3 ship and loot the wreck, start bleeping red and then just hover around me hoping I'd shoot them; especially when they're not on an alt and their employment history shows they got 3 extra years in EVE compared to me.
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M3ta7h3ad
Caldari
Phrixus Mot
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:43:00 -
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Get a friend in a noctis to help you out and salvage. Ninja tears are sweet tears.
Doing a mordus headhunters last night, we lost one frigate wreck to the ninja. Was easy.
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If you kill all the wolves, your gonna end up with a crapload of bunnies, and by bunnies I mean stupid people
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Killer Claw
Astral Beings
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Posted - 2011.01.21 21:11:00 -
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1. Remember that on some missions, the salvage just isn't worth the hassle.
2. Don't even bother with drones, the real money there is the loot.
3. If you see one in a really weak ship, and they steal a can, fire, but immediately after, dock up and wait it out. If your lucky it'll scare them off. Just be aware that they might have a better ship with them.
4. Clear out the first couple of pockets first, if anyone comes in after you do them chances are that they'll lose interest.
5. Don't AFK, that'll give them a much better chance of finding you.
6. Remember that Local is your best friend, check to see if any of their corp mates are in system, the easiest way to do this is to set their entire corp (or alliance) as red.
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Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
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Posted - 2011.01.22 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dramorn
I may be "doin' it wrong", but I am a ninja salvager.
I am NOT there for your ship. Why? Cause I don't have a ship that can take on battleships. I'm there for the salvage, and maybe a little bit to see if the mission runner cries. Salvaging provides income, parts for my corp, and something else to do when my luck is running low exploring or I don't feel like missioning. Heck, I LIKE it when people set wrecks blue. Thanks for the loot, mate! Couple days ago I had a guy offer to let me tag along on his next few missions to salvage; I made a pretty decent amount and had a good time just BSing with the guy.
Not everyone is a griefer. Some of us just want to clean up your mission.
This is right, some people ask me if they can salvage my missions, it's ok, do it and split. Most of them do it and they get good stuff isk even splashing/2, and i, just go faster for my next one so my LP income faster.
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Obedient Slavegirl
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Posted - 2011.01.22 02:46:00 -
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- Leave the mission site when the ninja turns red? Naah, that's a waste of time and not fun.
- Shoot the wrecks? Naah, thats a waste of ammo and not fun.
- Ignore him? Probably the best thing to do, but still not fun.
Actually, the minute I see a ninja in the mission site, I first put the drones on passive.
If he just salvages, we r cool, salvage is not mine to begin with.
If he loots and turns red, I immediately lock him and retrieve my drones, while trying to keep him in a frigate killing distance, 50km usually is ok.
I then send a single volley and warp out to a planet, at 100km. I warp to my station base immediately, only to see a red armageddon undocking.
So, the ninja gets a new rifter and I get me some fun, followed by 15 minutes of afk until the aggression is over.
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Sir Krassy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:01:00 -
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ha!
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Mazer Jujube
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Posted - 2011.01.22 20:26:00 -
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If a ninja shows up, and they make a beeline for the goods (don't bother talking in local at all), I start shooting the wrecks. 1 cruise missile per wreck, they all pop very quickly. Be sure to shoot the ones the ninja is nearest first, and continue to lure him around until they are all gone. I'm the one doing the work to make the wrecks, I'll be damned if some ninja gets any of it.
Given how many missions a person may run in a week, losing loot/salvage for just one mission is not that bad.
Of course, if I'm feeling frisky, I'll bring my cap-stable rook out to make friends.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey
Leaving just makes me leave and come back to take the bounties, loot, AND salvage in a bigger ship.
Then why not simply do your own missions?
I almost never see ninjas, but in a paladin you basically have 3 extra high slots that you can't put anything useful in besides tractors/salvagers. The few ninjas I've seen tend to get discouraged once they realize that I will simply slow down killing things to the rate at which I can salvage them (kill the rat farthest away from them). Also don't forget to set your drones to passive, and if they steal stuff you can target them to make them think you are going to fire on them, and lol as they waste their time waiting.
PS: any one have any suggestions on what to put in a paladin's 3 extra high slots? DLA maybe?
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Salliene
Gallente
Cowboys and Beach Bums
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Then why not simply do your own missions?
Don't have to grind through low level missions.
Don't have to worry about traveling from agent to agent.
Don't have to worry about rejecting worthless missions to get to the good ones.
Don't have to take missions that damage my reputation with other factions.
Don't have to worry about LPs, agent quality, etc.
Going into other people's missions is a lot like plexing (for me). I can warp in and take a quick look around and if I like it I will participate, otherwise I will just move on.
I don't know about other people who do the ninja salvage/mission busting gig for me the money is only part of the appeal (cause they money isn't all that great). I like probing and I like the gamble of never knowing what you are warping into or what you are going to get or how the other player is going to respond. All that matters to me is that what I am doing be interesting. Getting mission #143245 from Agent #17637 is not interesting. Probing down another player and then coming into their mission and taking their salvage, stealing their loot, or coming back in a big ship and competing for bounties IS interesting, and interesting is better than ISK any day.
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Dante Fitzosborne
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Posted - 2011.01.24 18:51:00 -
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The few times I've been ninja'd I just ignore them and complete my mission. A couple times, when I was just going to leave the wrecks anyway I just abandonned everything and let them clean it up. Just not worth getting worked up over.
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Exploited Engineer
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Posted - 2011.01.24 19:05:00 -
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Too bad you can't give ownership of your wrecks (as opposed to just setting them blue) to ninja 1 and watch ninja 2 annoying the heck out of ninja 1 by ninjaing his newly acquired wrecks.
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Vivian Ramasita
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Exploited Engineer
Too bad you can't give ownership of your wrecks (as opposed to just setting them blue) to ninja 1 and watch ninja 2 annoying the heck out of ninja 1 by ninjaing his newly acquired wrecks.
Except do you know what happens when two ninjas encounter each other unexpectedly in the same mission?
Air high five. That's what.
Ah, and the wrecks get salvaged twice as fast.
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Queylia
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Posted - 2011.01.25 01:41:00 -
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What are you basing all that on, OP? None of it fits me at least.
Getting YOUR ship is never part of the plan. I don't even go for loot unless the mission runner has already left the place.
You can't annoy me by doing clever little tricks, because I'll just move on to one of the several other potential targets I've already bookmarked.
Why would you set the wrecks to blue right before I get to them? It's never happened to me before, but won't that just basically give me the wreck and loot? Thank you!
You're very welcome to talk to me. I don't care about tears, and I'll actually leave you alone if you just ask me nicely. People don't usually treat each other well online, so I respect that.
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Manic Duo
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Posted - 2011.01.25 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Manic Duo on 25/01/2011 13:28:32
Isn't there a reeeeeeally easy way to stop ninjas getting into your mission in the first place? Like, say, keeping your damn eye on the scanner which is showing probes only because you've set your overview up right and jumping out when you see them closing in? Go do something else for 5 mins, jump back in, rescan, repeat ad nauseam.
So, have no ninjas for some extra effort, or HTFU and shoot dem wrecks ;)
Edit for spelling noobness.
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Mad Yojik
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Posted - 2011.01.25 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mad Yojik on 25/01/2011 14:13:44
Well I'm missionrunner and I don't understand why are you so hateful on ninjas in the first place - like "they take our loot!!! AARGH!". First rule is true, dont get mad. Generally - its bounties and LPs I'm after, not some pesky loot&salvage - 90% of missions does not worth salvaging anyway. Loot -yes, the rats can drop some tasty loot... rarely, and if its L4s we are talking about - there is max 5-6 rats in pocket which worth looting, and that can be done with simple tractor beam in spare highslot. I generally like ninjas - the opportunity of small talk, maybe even sudden group missioning (they can shoot that pesky rat frigs aswell as my drones, in fact improving my completion time and increasing ISK flow ;) greatly outweghts the cost of loot lost anyway. Though there always are greifers, who really want you to shoot them - so they can kill you - but that ones in fact get angry and leave once they see blue wrecks. Lol.
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knentil
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Posted - 2011.01.25 16:15:00 -
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Stop caring about Loot/salvage and just blitz, or get a Falcon and pilgrim alt sitting cloaked with you at all times.
Second option will certainly have more lulzs.
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