This week at the Academy we've been covering the Amarr-Jove war. What's struck me about the war, and the battle at Vak'Atioth in particular, is that the Amarrian sense of pride and arrogance often seems to overide Amarrian common sense. History tells of how the empire broadcasted for weeks prior to the battle messages of imperial dominance, proclaiming themselves as God's chosen, and yet despite the outcome of that battle which history tells us was one of the greatest defeats the empire has ever endured, Amarrians still persist in making similar proclamations to this day.

My point is that maybe when it comes to Amarrian/MInmatar diplomatic relations, the reason it so often seems that progress is so slow is partly because of this prideful stubbornness Amarrians display. Perhaps if the imperial crusaders were more mindful of this in their communication, a common ground beyond religious and cultural differences could be realized. Likewise maybe some of those on the side of the Republic could meet the Amarrians half way by being mindful of the possibility that during talks in the here and now, often the transgressions of the past seem at the forefront of their minds. My diplomacy teacher likes to say, "to realize peace now, we must often put aside that which happened then". I think this is especially true when one attempts to hold a person living in modern times accountable for the actions of those who lived generations ago. Which of course isn't to say that both sides do not continue to persist in violent acts against each other to this day.

Anyways that's my take on the diplomatic issues of the amarrian minmatar conflict. I hope I haven't offended anyone, I'm only a student after all and I don't assume to speak from any position of authority.

Azdan do you even do anything outside of the public forum?

Ive had an agent sat outside your station in Penirgman for the last 2 days and youve just been there docked shouting your mouth.
Please undock so i can ehem have words with you.

The Minmatar have never invaded anyone?

So I imagined those wrecks above Mekhios, did I?

And did I imagine this as well?

Azdan do you even do anything outside of the public forum?

Ive had an agent sat outside your station in Penirgman for the last 2 days and youve just been there docked shouting your mouth.
Please undock so i can ehem have words with you.

You can try to 'talk' with me instead. I won't make you wait for so long, if you come to my door.

My sincerest apologies. You may recall I have just finished creating a corporation under the banner of the Empire, such a task requires that a basic level of administrivia be seen to in order to create a solid foundation for the corporation to grow from. Establishing communication channels, role and title delegations, descriptions, advertisements, hangars and so on. This is a tedious process that takes significant time investment. So yes, I've been sitting within a station for the past couple of days seeing to these tasks, ordering my house, if you will.

To answer your question, yes.

As you and yours have of mine theres something about killing an amarrian's first pod.

The realization when they wake that they've been cloned and will never see god. yes thats something quite different.

Wow, I'm so glad you're a reasonable enemy and not one blinded by hatred and the pain you've suffered and wish to cause others to suffer. I can really see us being able to reach some sort of compromise and understanding through reasonable dialog. NOT.

And it's a shame, because your fantasy of taking the Empire's systems, invading their planets, capturing the slaves and shuttling them off to the Republic, recapturing the holy relics you claim we stole from you and making our own holy cathedrals burn. Well, it's just that. It's a fantasy. If you can enter the Empire's space at all it's only because you have followed the rules enough to not be labelled outlaw by the Empire. If you attack anything, it's only because you have leave to fire upon it from Empire authorities.

And if you manage to kill Father Amith, it'll only be to cause him to awaken, perhaps in the same station he just undocked from.

Your rage will not achieve what you want it to achieve.

We've talked before. me and my brothers have destroyed many of your ships. As you and yours have of mine theres something about killing an amarrian's first pod.

The realization when they wake that they've been cloned and will never see god. yes thats something quite different.

Should you manage to catch me, destroy my ship and destroy my pod, you will have accomplished three things:

• Proven that rather than actually try and settle the disputes between us you would prefer to simply kill, which validates my original accusations against you
• Forced me to purchase a new clone contract and implants
• Destroyed a ship

The truth is that I am already a clone, that is part of becoming a capsuleer these days. Second, being cloned has nothing to do with seeing God. Third, I have no problem facing you in combat if that is the only language you speak. However, it will accomplish nothing except perhaps making you feel superior for a time.

A shame, really. Where do you wish to meet?

There are a few problems here.
1) Ten's of billions of people enslaved is not a dispute its a dahm crime against humanity.
2) Your view is clearly that of your extremist bretheren, that the minmatar need to be enslaved to be saved.

Because of point 2 you have commited a crime against my people and my tribe. for that there can only be death.

You want a straight out fight with a combat record of 0? it will hardly be a challenge. no i think hunting will be much more fun, you might be in a ship actually worth something when i catch you.

Also an Amarrian capsuleer sacrifices his right to see God, that is fact. Cloning is heretical if im correct? anyway this seems to be the view of most amarrian pilots im fighting against. Your not yet a clone unless youve self destructed your pod, since there is 0 record of you ever having lost one.

Theres a difference between invading and retrieving stolen property. You invaded us and took our people history and holy relics.
Your worlds will burn until we get them back.

And we will get them back

Lastly, you're forgetting one very important thing: those slaves are our property. We have receipts.

Receipts signed in generations of blood and notarized by every person who has ever lost a loved one to the reclaimings.

This is what makes Amarrians strong, this is what makes them fight no matter what. This defeat of Amarrians doesn't demerit them, counterwise, it shows how they can endure hard times. We all have something to learn from them.
And you with your 'common sense' can run away after your former president Foiritan.

...Lastly, you're forgetting one very important thing: those slaves are our property. We have receipts. More to the point, the overwhelming majority of slaves were born as slaves within Imperial borders. They weren't taken from you or anyone else.

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Lastly, you're forgetting one very important thing: those slaves are our property.
We have receipts.
More to the point, the overwhelming majority of slaves were born as slaves within Imperial borders.
They weren't taken from you or anyone else.

Do you believe the minmatar enslaved by the amarr should be free'd?

Do you believe it is the amarrians right to reclaim all of new eden?

Excuse me if i misunderstood something you have said and led me to believe you were saying something you were not, this is a bi-product of you expunging 1000 words when 10 will do.

Our "right?" No. It is our sacred duty.

There are a few problems here.
1) Ten's of billions of people enslaved is not a dispute its a dahm crime against humanity.
2) Your view is clearly that of your extremist bretheren, that the minmatar need to be enslaved to be saved.

Because of point 2 you have commited a crime against my people and my tribe. for that there can only be death.

Interesting since I've never once stated to hold that view, but I appreciate you telling me what my viewpoint is for me, it will help me clear the muddied waters a bit.

1) Do you believe the minmatar enslaved by the amarr should be free'd?
2)Do you believe it is the amarrians right to reclaim all of new eden?

1)As a whole? No. From the corrupt and unrighteous Holders, from those that take slaves illegally and from those that slaughter wholesale and profane human life with disdain? Absolutely, or at least moved to a more righteous Holder.

2)Our "right?" No. It is our sacred duty. However, I suspect that your understanding of what the Reclaiming actually is may be somewhat skewed by misrepresentation from many Amarr capsuleers.

I thought this was a conversation about neatness, but now it has turned into a slavery conversation.

Do the best holders have their slaves as neat and tidy as their other possessions? Is a dirty slave the sign of a poor holder?

As for Slaves, my Lord Holder preferred his slaves plain but neat. He didn't hold with a lot of decoration or individuality but he didn't want his Slaves dirty, neglected looking or poorly clad. When I kept Slaves amongst my ship crews I preferred them to be identifiable as individuals and so they wore uniforms identifying their names, divisions, ranks and time in service.

When I kept Slaves amongst my ship crews I preferred them to be identifiable as individuals and so they wore uniforms identifying their names, divisions, ranks and time in service.

This is a pretty ******** obvious is obvious comment. We're at war over the fact you believe they are your property, the entire Minmatar Amarr conflict is based around this.

Glad you know the basics, didnt take you long to work it out.

I thought this was a conversation about neatness, but now it has turned into a slavery conversation.

Do the best holders have their slaves as neat and tidy as their other possessions? Is a dirty slave the sign of a poor holder?

In my dealings with Minmatar terrorists in general and you in particular, I have found that it is often neccessary for me to state the obvious. Often several times.

No Mister Thor,

Squire Mai clarified the point rather succinctly so I'll not add too much to it.

I do believe it is our sacred duty to Reclaim the cluster for God, not for the Empire and I do believe slavery can be properly used as a lifestyle correction to help those lost in sin to be freed from those sins and taught to live for God alone.

I do not believe that every Minmatar has to be enslaved in order to be saved, as you suggested I did.

So no, I didn't contradict myself. I attempted to use fewer words to give you an answer and it led to misunderstanding, as it often does.