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Makkal Hanaya
Hanaya Deferment Co
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:44:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Anslo wrote:Sorry but I'd take a scruffy looking pilot who actually fights than some trim and tidy high and mighty God-lover sitting pretty in a backwater nul sec watching the rest of the world burn. Egotistical jack ass... To most of the cluster and most capsuleers with a modicum of common sense the disputed factional-warfare 'territory' is the backwater, idiot. I admit, it's difficult to a simple brioche in Kourmonen. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Azdan Amith
Order of Light's Retribution
191
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:04:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote: Maybe you dont understand the anger at having 1/3 of you people enslaved, no doubt you cant comprehend it being amarrian. but the constant knowledge that 1/3 of your race is toiling under unfavourable circumstances, and as i write this large percentages of the remaining heritage of my people are being brainwashed, or subjugated, its hard to put down our arms until this is rectified, for me, impossible.
On the contrary Mister Thor, I do understand your anger. I've taken the time and invested in listening to and understanding many Minmatar, I even have something of an uneasy friendship (or at least mutual respect) with several. I would like to emphasize that you insist they are suffering (which is a general statement and not entirely truthful), that they are toiling in unfavorable circumstances (which again is a broad generalization and also untrue, especially when compared to the "conditions" the Republic has to offer for many of its own citizens).
Horak Thor wrote:The matari people displaced by the recent fighting are being helped as much as the republic can do so, myself being in the military arm of the organization, am better suited to protecting the space they are moving into, by force, each arm of the organization has its purpose mine is warfare, a duty im more than happy to carry out.
Of this, I have no doubt. The problem is that your concern, in your own words:
Horak Thor wrote:Not only is this a massive strategic victory but it means the complete destruction of enemy morale. one final step closer to total victory, one final step closer to no enemy to fight :/
Note the inserted "emoticon" at the end, shall we? The disappointment and concern that you will no longer have an enemy to fight. Echoed in this thread with "nothing better to do since the Amarr won't, or can't, fight." Your interest is in the fight, not in the liberation of your people, which you're using as a front, an excuse.
Horak Thor wrote:My vast wealth will be invested into ensuring more slaves are freed and brought back into the fold, if you believe the republic to be that poor that it cannot care for its own people without the help of a capsuleers finances, your sadly mistaken. (the fact my entire income is paid for by the republic should tell you that your assumption is false).
I never insinuated that the Republic is too poor to tend to its own, only that it has done so poorly in the past. Furthermore, I offered you a suggestion on an alternative use of your funds than continued warfare, but you've made it clear that you've no interest in such things. |

Kazzzi
Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
139
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Posted - 2012.08.20 23:28:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote: Last i checked best place to start an arguement with an alliance member is in public, welldone.
I don't argue, I educate. |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
186
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Posted - 2012.08.20 23:33:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote: I would suggest turning your attention inward and using a portion of your, no doubt not insubstantial, wealth and assets to provide for the planetside populations within the Republic and the space you've recently wrested. I know it can be a daunting task to try and focus on something other than endless combat, pillaging, murdering and raping; but I do encourage you to try it.
My, for someone who's supposedly got a grudging respect for the Minmatar people and someone who wants to appear as a reasoned and calm voice you've written a lot of racist stereotypes in that paragraph. Care to explain yourself, pilot?
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Azdan Amith
Order of Light's Retribution
192
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Posted - 2012.08.20 23:41:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote: My, for someone who's supposedly got a grudging respect for the Minmatar people and someone who wants to appear as a reasoned and calm voice you've written a lot of racist stereotypes in that paragraph. Care to explain yourself, pilot?
I believe you've taken my statement as if it were intended for all Minmatar, it was not. It was quite pointedly aimed at the one individual whom I quoted and I fail to see where it was racially charged. |

Makkal Hanaya
Hanaya Deferment Co
281
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Posted - 2012.08.21 00:23:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:What's a bible? It's a archaic word for 'book.' I assume he's complaining about those big, impressive words people use. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Dos Naari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.08.21 01:01:00 -
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This is exactly why I prefer freelance work. As freelancers my crew and I aren't obliged to abide by any uptight military dress code, often we run around the ship performing our duties in sweats, because let's be honest, the last thing one worries about on a 28 jump trade haul between Federation and Republic space is how shiny their shoes are. 
And maybe in the end that's what it boils down to, those who have the time, for whatever reason, are more concerned about the shine of their shoes and if their collar is properly starched than those out there on the trade lanes earning their income one jump at a time. |

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
80
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Posted - 2012.08.21 01:18:00 -
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Seems like nobody in this thread has had their crew telling them "crud, the clothes washer is busted and we won't be able to fix it 'til we hit station" while you're out in the depths of Anoikis...still managed to accomplish the mission, though, even if everyone needed extended hot showers and brand-new clothes afterwards. |

Dos Naari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.08.21 01:31:00 -
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:Seems like nobody in this thread has had their crew telling them "crud, the clothes washer is busted and we won't be able to fix it 'til we hit station" while you're out in the depths of Anoikis...still managed to accomplish the mission, though, even if everyone needed extended hot showers and brand-new clothes afterwards. lol yea, or being caught three days out in the Wildlands with a bad warp core coolant injector so you have to divert water from the showers, because for some strange reason the Thukker can manage to cobble together ships from scrap, but they never seem to have parts for old State haulers.  |

Makkal Hanaya
Hanaya Deferment Co
281
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Posted - 2012.08.21 02:13:00 -
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My crew smells of vanilla and coconut at all times. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Horak Thor
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
41
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Posted - 2012.08.21 05:05:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Anabella Rella wrote: My, for someone who's supposedly got a grudging respect for the Minmatar people and someone who wants to appear as a reasoned and calm voice you've written a lot of racist stereotypes in that paragraph. Care to explain yourself, pilot?
I believe you've taken my statement as if it were intended for all Minmatar, it was not. It was quite pointedly aimed at the one individual whom I quoted and I fail to see where it was racially charged. Also, I do not believe I've ever claimed a desire to appear as a reasoned and calm voice. I am simply who I am and there is nothing more to it. I do try to be reasonable and calm but I admit I can become frustrated and speak in error, I am far from perfect. I also admit that my words were overly harsh as I've been very frustrated today with a number of things. The activities listed have occurred in the past but I should not have attributed them to the present without substantial proof of them and should not have accused this individual pilot of them. For that, I was in error and I extend my apologies (for what little they're worth). The original claim that I would suggest diverting attention inward and helping planetside populations remains, however.
so you made the assumption i pillage **** and murder? (also taking my post from outside a roleplaying forum and using it in a roleplaying forum is stupid as hell) TRIAD is recruiting "TRIAD Agency" in game channel |

Odelya d'Hanguest
1st Praetorian Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
97
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Posted - 2012.08.21 06:33:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:Last i checked best place to start an arguement with an alliance member is in public, welldone. Instead of complaining you should indeed be grateful that your fellow alliance member was disrupting the image of your alliance being a bunch a rude, ill-mannered uneducated and vulgar people altogether.
I know that exchanging baseless insults a favourite sport of those Matari unlucky enough to dwell in the 'Minmatar Republic'GÇöwhich is neither really Minmatar, nor a real RepublicGÇöbut I would suggest that we return to topic.
Thank you. Ceterum censeo Patorem esse delendam. |

Azdan Amith
Order of Light's Retribution
196
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Posted - 2012.08.21 11:45:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote: so you made the assumption i pillage **** and murder? (also taking my post from outside a roleplaying forum and using it in a roleplaying forum is stupid as hell)
((For the record, the post I quoted is found here and is, in fact, part of these role play forums.))
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Rhiannon Dellacorte
Azure Industrial Technologies
9
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Posted - 2012.08.21 13:19:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:Uraniae Fehrnah wrote: However none of the stations ever change hands (correct me if I'm wrong there). Confirming i am correcting you because you are wrong.
Usually when one a person corrects another, they take the time to actually explain where and how that person is wrong. Its simply common courtesy.
Regarding the OP:
Everybody bleeds the same. |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
141
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:23:00 -
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Being properly dressed, buttoned, polished, and cleaned has a well-known effect on morale. People feel good when they are more presentable. Further, wearing the same uniform as your peers promotes unity and group spirit.
I myself wear uniforms while on duty, as do my crews. I admit that I like it! Lai Dai Research uses a white business suit style uniform, well suited to work both in the lab and in the boardroom. I've adopted a variant of the Caldari Navy uniform for my own ship crews, and myself while serving in capacity as Captain. Enforcement is handled by my staff sergeants, though, so it doesn't usually involve me.
There's no reason to be dull about it though. I schedule casual days in the lab, and while that's inappropriate on board a ship (their uniforms double as protection devices) there are monthly award ceremonies for medals, so that they can show off their accomplishments. We have a dinner afterwards, and it really is quite a lot of fun. I'm happy to say that my crew morale is very high, and is consistently so.
Thank you for bringing up this topic, OP! I obsess about both cleanliness and fashion pretty badly, so it's a matter close to my heart. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1077
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:40:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:
Maybe you dont understand the anger at having 1/3 of you people enslaved, no doubt you cant comprehend it being amarrian. but the constant knowledge that 1/3 of your race is toiling under unfavourable circumstances, and as i write this large percentages of the remaining heritage of my people are being brainwashed, or subjugated, its hard to put down our arms until this is rectified, for me, impossible.
Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.
Quote: The matari people displaced by the recent fighting are being helped as much as the republic can do so, myself being in the military arm of the organization, am better suited to protecting the space they are moving into, by force, each arm of the organization has its purpose mine is warfare, a duty im more than happy to carry out.
My vast wealth will be invested into ensuring more slaves are freed and brought back into the fold, if you believe the republic to be that poor that it cannot care for its own people without the help of a capsuleers finances, your sadly mistaken. (the fact my entire income is paid for by the republic should tell you that your assumption is false).
Unfortunately the Republicans don't have a very good record when it comes to looking after refugees. Forced to live in squalor, subject to the rule of lawless mobs, is it so surprising that so many of us think that they're better off as slaves?
Also, many slaves aren't even Minmatar. Who are you to drag them from a loving environment and force them into your culture? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
177
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:05:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.
Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind. |

Benjamin Eastwood
81
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:26:00 -
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As a young man slogging through one violently hostile mudhole to the next, I can say without a doubt that a round fired from a neatly dressed soldier is no more lethal than the soldier who's failed to shine his boots enough.
Perfect military dress, while beneficial in many ways to morale and unit strength, can be a serious ***** in one's armor when there are officers who tyrannically enforce it in unrealistic and unnecessary ways. "Endless ISK, the sinews of war" |

Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
14
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:36:00 -
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I once throttled a man who insulted me outside of a bar awhile back. I don't think any amount of shine or cleaning on his fancy uniform could have stopped his windpipe from crumpling. |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
187
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:59:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: Unfortunately the Republicans don't have a very good record when it comes to looking after refugees. Forced to live in squalor, subject to the rule of lawless mobs, is it so surprising that so many of us think that they're better off as slaves? (snip)
You and your ilk keep repeating this line and I'd like to know what facts you have to support it. If conditions were so horrid in the Republic as you contend, why then aren't people leaving en masse? Where are the Scope reports detailing these lawless mobs running roughshod over local police and military units? Why are people leaving the Federation to rejoin their brothers and sisters in the Republic?
I left a quite comfortable life in the Federation in order to join the Republic's military and help my people. Tens of thousands immigrate to Matari space each month for the same reason and we're not living in mud huts cowering in fear of violent mobs nor wondering where the next meal is coming from. Whether capsuleer or average planetsider we all go about our daily lives the same as people in the State, Federation or Empire.
You, Blake, are a bigot and a poor propagandist defending that for which there is no defense. Either produce evidence of what you speak of or, stop with the lies. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1080
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:56:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:[quote=Rodj Blake] Unfortunately the Republicans don't have a very good record when it comes to looking after refugees. Forced to live in squalor, subject to the rule of lawless mobs, is it so surprising that so many of us think that they're better off as slaves? (snip)
You and your ilk keep repeating this line and I'd like to know what facts you have to support it. If conditions were so horrid in the Republic as you contend, why then aren't people leaving en masse? Where are the Scope reports detailing these lawless mobs running roughshod over local police and military units? Why are people leaving the Federation to rejoin their brothers and sisters in the Republic?
Where are the Scope reports detailing the lawlessness in Minmatar space?
How about here, here and here?
Those three stories are amongst the most recent half-dozen Minmatar stories on the Scope feed.
I could complain about Minmatar ignorance at this point - but you'd probably want news stories to support that, despite its self-evident nature.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1080
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:57:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: Unfortunately the Republicans don't have a very good record when it comes to looking after refugees. Forced to live in squalor, subject to the rule of lawless mobs, is it so surprising that so many of us think that they're better off as slaves? (snip)
You and your ilk keep repeating this line and I'd like to know what facts you have to support it. If conditions were so horrid in the Republic as you contend, why then aren't people leaving en masse? Where are the Scope reports detailing these lawless mobs running roughshod over local police and military units? Why are people leaving the Federation to rejoin their brothers and sisters in the Republic?
Where are the Scope reports detailing the lawlessness in Minmatar space?
How about here, here and here?
Those three stories are amongst the most recent half-dozen Minmatar stories on the Scope feed.
I could complain about Minmatar ignorance at this point - but you'd probably want news stories to support that as well, despite its self-evident nature. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1081
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:11:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.
Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind.
Take a look at the billions of Ni-Kunni in the Empire. Each and every one of them are descended from slaves. Would they be better off living in the mess that we found their ancestors in? Would there even be a Ni-Kunni race if we hadn't rescued them from their primitive state?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
186
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:26:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Anslo wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.
Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind. Take a look at the billions of Ni-Kunni in the Empire. Each and every one of them are descended from slaves. Would they be better off living in the mess that we found their ancestors in? Would there even be a Ni-Kunni race if we hadn't rescued them from their primitive state?
You enslaved them and forced your culture on them you dome headed God-Lover. You killed a culture that could have thrived. You forced it on them and pushed them into slavery until they recited every damn verse of your scriptures with perfect candor. Good little drones for your nut job Empress. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1081
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:31:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Anslo wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.
Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind. Take a look at the billions of Ni-Kunni in the Empire. Each and every one of them are descended from slaves. Would they be better off living in the mess that we found their ancestors in? Would there even be a Ni-Kunni race if we hadn't rescued them from their primitive state? You enslaved them and forced your culture on them you dome headed God-Lover. You killed a culture that could have thrived. You forced it on them and pushed them into slavery until they recited every damn verse of your scriptures with perfect candor. Good little drones for your nut job Empress.
Aaah yes, the old ad hominem approach.
Yes we forced them to do things. It was for their own good. Consider a child. Sometimes its parents have to force it to do things, or force it to not do things. For its own good.
Getting things back on topic, the Ni-Kunni are in general both neater and tidier now.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Makkal Hanaya
Hanaya Deferment Co
285
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:08:00 -
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Anslo wrote:You enslaved them and forced your culture on them you dome headed God-Lover. You killed a culture that could have thrived. You forced it on them and pushed them into slavery until they recited every damn verse of your scriptures with perfect candor. Good little drones for your nut job Empress.
The Ni-Kunni are a singularly bad example to support your case.
Firstly, they were a primitive race when the Empire found them and they would have never managed to leave their planet. The Ni-Kunni homeworld has a large resource deficit. They lack industrial-era metals and their native planetary water supply could hardly support more than two billion people.
Moreover, the Ni-Kunni have a culture. It's a mercantile one and they've carried it with them from Mishi. One of the reasons they integrated so well into Imperial culture is that their native outlook and philosophy 'fit' well with that of the Empire.
If you want to talk about Imperial policies hurting a slave race, the Ealur would be a better example. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
186
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:14:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: Aaah yes, the old ad hominem approach.
Yes we forced them to do things. It was for their own good. Consider a child. Sometimes its parents have to force it to do things, or force it to not do things. For its own good.
Getting things back on topic, the Ni-Kunni are in general both neater and tidier now.
You're not parents. They aren't YOUR children. You don't know what is and isn't good for anyone. |

Azdan Amith
Order of Light's Retribution
203
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:15:00 -
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[quote=Anslo[You don't know what is and isn't good for anyone. [/quote]
Producing credentials which verify your right to make that statement would lend more credit to your argument. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
186
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:18:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Anslo wrote:You don't know what is and isn't good for anyone. Producing credentials which verify your right to make that statement would lend more credit to your argument.
Since when did anyone need credentials to say "slavery is wrong, you shouldn't decide a people's fate other than your own?" |

Mensha Khael Crow
House of Murder Aegis Militia
18
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:45:00 -
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Gentlemen, are you going to help the heathen to disrupt the discussion much longer?
As for the original discussion, before these irrelevancies. I find that in times of peace proper attire is a sign of discipline for any organization. Times of war allow for some leeway to those successfull in their appointed goals. |
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