I doubt Mr. Kaine is a man of much religion. So then that leaves you, and pretty much the rest of the Summit.

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Where are the Scope reports detailing the lawlessness in Minmatar space?

How about here, here and here?

Those three stories are amongst the most recent half-dozen Minmatar items on the Scope feed.

I could complain about Minmatar ignorance at this point - but you'd probably want news stories to support that as well, despite its self-evident nature.



I've done as you asked, despite the unwarranted insult.

Now, perhaps you'll return the favour and provide some evidence that people are leaving the Federation to settle in the Republic?

I understand that you believe slavery is morally reprehensible, you've been quite vocal about it and I wasn't implying that you need credential to make that assertion as it's entirely opinion-based.

My assertion was saying that someone doesn't know what's good for someone or not is an authoritative statement that does require crediting. A doctor, for instance, can say what is and isn't good for someone; as can a psychiatrist, scientists and yes, even ministers and priests.

Wrong, they can ADVISE a person. a doctor can tell a person to take a certain medicine or they will die, that person can say no i wont take it. it is there choice.

You eliminate the option of personal choice from the equation, therefore abusing the basic human rights of us all.

Funny what happens when an empire is ripped apart and it attempts to reform after a thousand years, you expect it to be smooth? i believe the deep seated damage you inflicted on my race is unknown even to you.

You look down upon us for a few riots? this republic is formed around a mixture of people born from different backgrounds, some are recently freed from slavery, others have been free for longer.

We havnt had thousands of years to stabilise the tribes, your holy "empire" saw to that.

There are also three tribes without elders, again we have you Amarr to thank for this, another glorious chapter in the long and rotten history of the Amarrian legacy.

Funny what happens when an empire is ripped apart and it attempts to reform after a thousand years, you expect it to be smooth? i believe the deep seated damage you inflicted on my race is unknown even to you.

You look down upon us for a few riots? this republic is formed around a mixture of people born from different backgrounds, some are recently freed from slavery, others have been free for longer.

We havnt had thousands of years to stabilise the tribes, your holy "empire" saw to that.

There are also three tribes without elders, again we have you Amarr to thank for this, another glorious chapter in the long and rotten history of the Amarrian legacy.

If you're having some minor surgery done and go a bit mental during the operation, resulting in you being seriously injured who is to blame - you or the surgeon?



If the riots are being caused by difficulties in integrating emancipated slaves into your society, then there's a obvious solution to the problem.


Perhaps you shouldn't be aiming to have all slaves released. Imagine the instability caused by every single Minmatar slave turning up on your doorstep!



The Empire was without an Emperor for a couple of years not so long ago. I don't recall seeing any riots as bad as we've witnessed in the Republic. If you Minmatars are bloodthirsty savages, perhaps it's an underlying feature of your psyche rather than anyone else's fault.

Everyone gets angry over the slave issue me being one of them but you honestly can't expect us a nation and as people to not reason out that the Amarr helped put us right where we are.

For better or worse everything that happens in the Republic is a direct result of our war. Trying to wash your hands of it comes across as not only hypocritical but honestly quite sad.

Everyone gets angry over the slave issue me being one of them but you honestly can't expect us a nation and as people to not reason out that the Amarr helped put us right where we are.

For better or worse everything that happens in the Republic is a direct result of our war. Trying to wash your hands of it comes across as not only hypocritical but honestly quite sad.

The Amarr did not help put you right where you are. The Federation helped put you right where you are. The Jovians helped put you right where you are. But we didn't. If we had our way, we would still be looking after all of you.

But if the Republic is in a bad way, then ultimately it's because the people running it are not suited to the task. It really is that simple.

So...you're saying that the years of slavery and war to "reclaim your property" had 0 baring on their current state?...Really?

Rodj.

That's ******* stupid.

If the Minmatar hadn't rebelled, they would be well on the way to full enlightenment by now.

Many of them would be enjoying a similar quality of life to the numerous satisifed Ni-Kunni living in the Empire.

But no. They weren't patient. Like a small child they wanted their pudding before they'd eaten their meat. They wanted their freedom before they were ready for it. And now they are paying the price.

They wouldn't have rebelled if you didn't enslave them and instead tried to ally with them and help them as equals, not animals. And don't say that you did it for their own good and they were treated well. If they were treated anything that could be considered well, the rebellion wouldn't have happened.


Not everyone likes subjugation, let alone invading their home planet and bombarding it from gods damn ORBIT.

I'm glad to hear that you don't like the concept of orbital bombardment. I hear that it's more of a Federation tactic though, so perhaps you should complain to your own government?

I'm glad to hear that you don't like the concept of orbital bombardment. I hear that it's more of a Federation tactic though, so perhaps you should complain to your own government?

How about here, here and here?

Those three stories are amongst the most recent half-dozen Minmatar items on the Scope feed.

You point out 3 scattered and unrelated incidents (one of which was precipitated by Amarrian zealots placing someone deliberately in harms' way, by the way, and then feigning surprise when the inevitable happened) to prove your entire argument? I could point out 3 instances where sadistic holders have brutalized their slaves and extend that to your entire race as well. We both know that would be intellectually dishonest, however.

You asked for evidence, I provided it.

You have made claims, we're yet to see any evidence to back them up.

But anyway, you present yourself as an advocate of freedom. Surely you don't object to people practising their religion? Or does your belief in freedom only extend as far as people doing what you want them to do?

I'm sure advocacy doesn't include forcing your religion on other people, as I mentioned before and that you so conveniently didn't answer. Also evidence? Do you REMEMBER the Days of Darkness from their history? Look who's talking about lack fo evidence. Now you sound ******* stupid AND like a ******* hypocrite.

I had previously asked Anabella to provide evidence of Minmatars flocking to the Republic from the Federation. That is what I was referring to.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what primitves call the Day of Darkness? Maybe you you were so blinded with prejudicial rage that you just decided to lash out at me without actually realising what I was talking about?

Tshusht eight a shec!

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Last I checked, advising a person is telling them what's good for them and what's not. Whether or not they choose to follow it is another matter entirely.

As for the elimination of personal choice, that's not entirely accurate. You still possess the ability to choose to listen or rebel and, as with all choices, you face the consequences of either choice. It never ceases to amaze me how people claim it is a basic human right to be free and yet all of us are slaves to something.

I would humbly suggest that you start taking responsibility for your own failures. Blaming the Empire for the riots in your streets, the blatant violence against peaceful persons and the difficulties in securing centralized leadership will not help you grow and develop as a people, when you begin to take responsibility rather than defer the blame you will begin to overcome the obstacles facing you.

It doesn't take thousands of years to establish a centralized government and some measure of peace and unity between a people. It can take a few years no doubt, but certainly not thousands. You have those among your number suggesting that you do just that, focus on infrastructure and developing unity among yourselves but the majority of you seem more content to keep waging war and conflict, even you yourself seem more concerned with finding the next fight than actually assisting your people, this is based on your own words.

The Empire has no doubt had an effect on your people but it was your rebellion and now it's your Republic. Take pride in it and accept responsibility for its failures as readily as you accept credit for its successes.

Diana; I adore you more and more with every post.

So in its youth the amarr were not in a civil war with the khanid on athra? they didnt enslave countless worlds etc that were different and enforce the amarr's way upon them?

Unlike you amarrian the minmatar dont repress free will. we have a multitude of peoples with different religions, ways of life, tribal beliefs etc. yes this causes conflict especially since they are all so newly settled together.

What we do not do is stamp out this difference like you. this gives us great strength and weakness.

Im not saying it is the easiest way to live but it is right, when you see this fact you will be truly enligtened my ignorant friend.

Random Amarrian religious nonsense

By enslaving the minmater you didnt advise you enforced. you didnt offer us the ability to follow your religion, as a doctor advising a patient would, you enslaved us and told us it was for our own good, if we told you we didnt want to follow your religion we were "corrected". Fact.

So in its youth the amarr were not in a civil war with the khanid on athra? they didnt enslave countless worlds etc that were different and enforce the amarr's way upon them?

Unlike you amarrian the minmatar dont repress free will. we have a multitude of peoples with different religions, ways of life, tribal beliefs etc. yes this causes conflict especially since they are all so newly settled together.

What we do not do is stamp out this difference like you. this gives us great strength and weakness.