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Azdan Amith
Order of Light's Retribution
212
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:42:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Since when did anyone need credentials to say "slavery is wrong, you shouldn't decide a people's fate other than your own?" I love how eggers fall back on that bullshit excuse when a fact is stated. "Where's your data hmmm?" **** you, I don't need a 50-page thesis to support that slavery is morally reprehensible and that the Minmatar are deservedly pissed off. I just hope they stomp you people quickly.
I understand that you believe slavery is morally reprehensible, you've been quite vocal about it and I wasn't implying that you need credential to make that assertion as it's entirely opinion-based.
My assertion was saying that someone doesn't know what's good for someone or not is an authoritative statement that does require crediting. A doctor, for instance, can say what is and isn't good for someone; as can a psychiatrist, scientists and yes, even ministers and priests. |

Dos Naari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.21 22:32:00 -
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I wonder how many of the imperials speaking have actually witnessed a Ni-Kunni water dance, or had the chance to sit and listen to a cloud reader? Probably not many considering that such customs are only openly practiced outside Amarr space. Truth is the Ni-Kunni come from an ancient, resourceful, and highly shamanistic culture that has much in common with the Vherokior, but unfortunately when the Amarr came to Mishi they impersonated characters from Ni-Kunni mythology in order to trick many Ni-Kunni into voluntarily accepting open conquest.
Such is the way of the Amarr, they love to pretend. They pretend they are strong, refined, and still relevant, when in truth they are parasites that claim to be enlightened and advanced, while feeding off the progress of other cultures to sustain their own. Time and again they are humiliated; by the Jovians, by the Matari on a daily basis, humiliated even by the Federation. And all the while what of their "reclaiming"? The best capsuleers among them defect to Caldari space out of frustration as those that remain fight and die not in ships of imperial majesty, but in the very vessels of those they claim to be savages.
Truth is the glory days of the Amarr empire have long passed, what remains is little more than an ineffectual relic kept in place to maintain some resemblance of order within a feudal patchwork of holder states, but fear not Amarr, the State will always be there to provide you with the technology and resources needed to hold off the inevitable, for a price.  |

Azdan Amith
Order of Light's Retribution
214
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Posted - 2012.08.22 01:34:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote: I wonder how many of the imperials speaking have actually witnessed a Ni-Kunni water dance, or had the chance to sit and listen to a cloud reader? Probably not many considering that such customs are only openly practiced outside Amarr space. Truth is the Ni-Kunni come from an ancient, resourceful, and highly shamanistic culture that has much in common with the Vherokior, but unfortunately when the Amarr came to Mishi they impersonated characters from Ni-Kunni mythology in order to trick many Ni-Kunni into voluntarily accepting open conquest.
I would ask what source you used to obtain this information and then inform you that it is not entirely accurate. The Amarr did not intentionally impersonate any deity or angelic being as doing so would be blasphemous in God's sight and betray the very purpose of our expansion to begin with (that being conversion to the one true faith in God, rather hard to do that if you're impersonating other deities). We arrived on a planet with low reserves of water and natural resources and began to distribute water and resources to a needy population.
Furthermore, the Ni-Kunni didn't accept open conquest. They attacked and slaughtered exploratory crews that landed on the planet shortly afterward because their barons at the time did not wish to relinquish their power. They were then summarily conquered and enslaved in response to their rebellion.
Dos Naari wrote:Such is the way of the Amarr, they love to pretend. They pretend they are strong, refined, and still relevant, when in truth they are parasites that claim to be enlightened and advanced, while feeding off the progress of other cultures to sustain their own. Time and again they are humiliated; by the Jovians, by the Matari on a daily basis, humiliated even by the Federation. And all the while what of their "reclaiming"? The best capsuleers among them defect to Caldari space out of frustration as those that remain fight and die not in ships of imperial majesty, but in the very vessels of those they claim to be savages.
Your impotent jabs at the relevance and truth of the Amarr and the Amarr faith aside; you are correct in that we have suffered defeats in our history and made a mockery of ourselves when we have betrayed our own purpose or let our own hubris blind us. You are also correct in that many seem to be fleeing from the fight and trials ahead of us. However, do not mistake this as being the activities of the greater majority of Amarr, they are capsuleers and many of them have demonstrably lost their way long before now.
Dos Naari wrote:Truth is the glory days of the Amarr empire have long passed, what remains is little more than an ineffectual relic kept in place to maintain some resemblance of order within a feudal patchwork of holder states, but fear not Amarr, the State will always be there to provide you with the technology and resources needed to hold off the inevitable, for a price. 
Perhaps you have forgotten that it is the State that required an emergency transfusion of funds in order to stay a float and prevent economic collapse within itself, not the Empire. Perhaps you've also forgotten that the Empire has not requested the assistance of the State in any formal capacity and while technology is shared with the Kingdom and certainly benefits innovation, the majority of the Amarr fleet has been upgraded by our own engineers and technicians.
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
143
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Posted - 2012.08.22 02:06:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Perhaps you have forgotten that it is the State that required an emergency transfusion of funds in order to stay a float and prevent economic collapse within itself, not the Empire. Perhaps you've also forgotten that the Empire has not requested the assistance of the State in any formal capacity and while technology is shared with the Kingdom and certainly benefits innovation, the majority of the Amarr fleet has been upgraded by our own engineers and technicians.
We at Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetics would like to take this opportunity to thank our Amarrian friends for the aforementioned loan of liquid funds to the Caldari State. The loan was provided on good terms, and we trust that the profits made by both parties as a result were well appreciated. We hope for future business endeavours with you, as we do with all interested parties. Thank you. |

Azdan Amith
Order of Light's Retribution
214
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Posted - 2012.08.22 02:37:00 -
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Scherezad wrote: We at Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetics would like to take this opportunity to thank our Amarrian friends for the aforementioned loan of liquid funds to the Caldari State. The loan was provided on good terms, and we trust that the profits made by both parties as a result were well appreciated. We hope for future business endeavours with you, as we do with all interested parties. Thank you.
As always you are most graceful and gentle in your dealings and words, Miss Scherezad. I pray I've not unintentionally offended in my rebuttal.
I also reiterate that my intention is not to discredit the mutual benefit that has been gained as a result of our partnership, nor to dishonor the stalwart dedication and integrity of those within the State. |

Dos Naari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.08.22 02:38:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:We at Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetics would like to take this opportunity to thank our Amarrian friends for the aforementioned loan of liquid funds to the Caldari State. The loan was provided on good terms, and we trust that the profits made by both parties as a result were well appreciated. We hope for future business endeavours with you, as we do with all interested parties. Thank you. Out of curiousity, by what merit does your division have the right to express gratitude towards a slave trading theocratic empire for something that occurred centuries before even your parent corporation existed? How strange that a patriot corporation like Lai Dai would authorize such a sycophantic statement in the first place, much less through one of it's divisions. |

Azdan Amith
Order of Light's Retribution
214
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Posted - 2012.08.22 02:49:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote:Out of curiousity, by what merit does your division have the right to express gratitude towards a slave trading theocratic empire for something that occurred centuries before even your parent corporation existed? How strange that a patriot corporation like Lai Dai would authorize such a sycophantic statement in the first place, much less through one of it's divisions.
Hm.
Let's see, the investment into the Caldari State by Empress Jamyl Sarum I occurred in the year YC 111.
Lai Dai existed before the Morning of Reason that occurred at the outset of the Gallente-Caldari war.
Do you even bother to check your information before you spew it out? |

Dos Naari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.08.22 03:20:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Hm. Let's see, the investment into the Caldari State by Empress Jamyl Sarum I occurred in the year YC 111. Lai Dai existed before the Morning of Reason that occurred at the outset of the Gallente-Caldari war. (Over 200 years ago) Do you even bother to check your information before you spew it out? Yea maybe you're right, but that still doesn't change the fact that you sir are an evil theocratic piece of slaver hound dung, and the universe would undoubtedly be a better place should you and your kind finally cease to exist. With that said I take my leave, the sanctimonious self righteous airs of this conversation are making me physically ill, and I still have to get these exotic dancers and tobacco to Ashab.... See ya on the lanes slaver. |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
144
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Posted - 2012.08.22 04:12:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote:Scherezad wrote:We at Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetics would like to take this opportunity to thank our Amarrian friends for the aforementioned loan of liquid funds to the Caldari State. The loan was provided on good terms, and we trust that the profits made by both parties as a result were well appreciated. We hope for future business endeavours with you, as we do with all interested parties. Thank you. Out of curiousity, by what merit does your division have the right to express gratitude towards a slave trading theocratic empire for something that occurred centuries before even your parent corporation existed? How strange that a patriot corporation like Lai Dai would authorize such a sycophantic statement in the first place, much less through one of it's divisions.
Father Amith has made clear the history of the exchange between the Caldari State and Amarr Empire, so I won't go into that. I will only say that it is important to be up-front about ones debts and to treat your business partners with honour. Regardless of any opinions I may hold regarding slavery, they have treated us well and stayed true to their word. This is better than can be said of many, and this point should be honoured. I hope that my humble words previous were enough to do so. |

Dos Naari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.08.22 04:33:00 -
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It sickens me and shakes my loyalty to the Caldari State to see a fellow citizen bend their knee to an Amarrian zealot as you have. While you're down on your hands and knees kissing his boots try to remember the fact that they are the enslaver of worlds, and would do the same to our's given the chance. |

Amaki Mai
Redanni
17
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Posted - 2012.08.22 06:35:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote:It sickens me to see a fellow citizen of the State bend their knee to an Amarrian zealot as you have. While you're down on your hands and knees kissing his boots try to remember the fact that they are enslavers of worlds, and would do the same to our's given the chance.
Is there a single case of the Empire being in hostilities with the Caldari State? Do we occupy a single world that once belonged to them? A good Citizen of the State should probably be concerned that his mouthings don't get taken for Federation propaganda - after all, the Federation is aligned with the Republic. |

Dos Naari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.08.22 07:55:00 -
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Amaki Mai wrote:A good Citizen of the State should probably be concerned that his mouthings don't get taken for Federation propaganda - after all, the Federation is aligned with the Republic. The more I learn about relations between the Amarr and the Minmatar, the more I see similarities with relations between the Caldari and Gallente. The Federation believes it is their duty to liberate the State from itself, just as the Amarr feel it is their duty to save the Minmatar from themselves. Realizing this, how can one not help but notice that though our cultural attitudes may differ, the Caldari and Minmatar share similar struggles to maintain their freedom and cultural identities in the face of fundamentalists who seek to subjugate?
Furthermore, as far as your "good Citizen of the State" comment goes, what right does a Khanid standing before the banner of the Gallente Federation have telling a Caldari what they should be concerned with?  |

Azdan Amith
Order of Light's Retribution
215
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Posted - 2012.08.22 11:26:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote: Yea maybe you're right, but that still doesn't change the fact that you sir are an evil theocratic piece of slaver hound dung, and the universe would undoubtedly be a better place should you and your kind finally cease to exist. With that said I take my leave, the sanctimonious self righteous airs of this conversation are making me physically ill, and I still have to get these exotic dancers and tobacco to Ashab.... See ya on the lanes slaver.
As if I've never heard this song before.
I sincerely apologize that my rebuttals to your blatant misinformation have made you physically ill, perhaps if you would cease consuming large quantities of bullshit and then trying to feed it to everyone else, you wouldn't feel so ill. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
388
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Posted - 2012.08.22 12:42:00 -
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Wow.
Not that I have any dog in this fight but a part of me very much wants to sit that guy down and have a nice, long chat with him about the benefits of being polite to ones allies. |

Rhiannon Dellacorte
Azure Industrial Technologies
11
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Posted - 2012.08.22 12:47:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Dos Naari wrote:Out of curiousity, by what merit does your division have the right to express gratitude towards a slave trading theocratic empire for something that occurred centuries before even your parent corporation existed? How strange that a patriot corporation like Lai Dai would authorize such a sycophantic statement in the first place, much less through one of it's divisions. Hm. Let's see, the investment into the Caldari State by Empress Jamyl Sarum I occurred in the year YC 111. Lai Dai existed before the Morning of Reason that occurred at the outset of the Gallente-Caldari war. (Over 200 years ago) Do you even bother to check your information before you spew it out?
Amith,
You are hereby disinvited from any future Trivial Pursuit parties I host. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
192
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Posted - 2012.08.22 13:14:00 -
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I knew this was gonna get good! |

Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
404
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Posted - 2012.08.22 13:59:00 -
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It saddens me to see that this is the freshest face of the Cal-Matar front, Dos.
It would be insincere of me to say that, despite your crudeness, I had not felt a spark of hope when I realized that another Pilot had once again emerged who recognized the potential for a good relationship between our people.
However, I have quickly come to realize that the nature of your beliefs have been forged by hatred.
You express the worst qualities of my own kindred - ignorance and irrationality in the face our enemy - and none of our best. Furthermore, the fact that you treat your State's ally with such errant disrespect when they have treated you and yours well is a great disservice to the Caldari people. Though, perhaps, your most dire of betrayals may be the nature in which you attack your own. You marry our ideas of Tribe whilst lashing out at your sisters in the same turn and this I cannot accept.
Spirits help your troubled mind, whelp. I see you walking towards a Path of destruction.
Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
193
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:35:00 -
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Halete wrote:It saddens me to see that this is the freshest face of the Cal-Matar front, Dos.
It would be insincere of me to say that, despite your crudeness, I had not felt a spark of hope when I realized that another Pilot had once again emerged who recognized the potential for a good relationship between our people.
However, I have quickly come to realize that the nature of your beliefs have been forged by hatred.
You express the worst qualities of my own kindred - ignorance and irrationality in the face our enemy - and none of our best. Furthermore, the fact that you treat your State's ally with such errant disrespect when they have treated you and yours well is a great disservice to the Caldari people. Though, perhaps, your most dire of betrayals may be the nature in which you attack your own. You marry our ideas of Tribe whilst lashing out at your sisters in the same turn and this I cannot accept.
Spirits help your troubled mind, whelp. I see you walking towards a Path of destruction.
Heh, you expected a Caldari to have common decency when he could take a pot shot at someone? |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
147
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:36:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote:It sickens me to see a fellow citizen of the State bend their knee to an Amarrian zealot as you have. While you're down on your hands and knees kissing his boots try to remember the fact that they are enslavers of worlds, and would do the same to our's given the chance.
The pursuit of truth leads you to strange places, and it is important to show respect and gratitude to those who help you along the path. Father Amith is one such virtuous man who possesses a piece of truth, I feel, though my investigations are not yet complete. So, yes, I do kneel to him, as I do to all my friends and allies. My own accomplishments are meager and worth little by comparison, so there's no sense in hiding my humility.
Heiian, Pilot Naari. Kill your pride. We are nothing but the hand of our kin. |

Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
408
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:38:00 -
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Anslo wrote: Heh, you expected a Caldari to have common decency when he could take a pot shot at someone?
The irony is almost palpable. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
149
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:09:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Heh, you expected a Caldari to have common decency when he could take a pot shot at someone?
Every day, I find it harder and harder to suggest a diplomatic peace accord between our peoples. Congratulations on your contribution. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
195
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:24:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Anslo wrote:Heh, you expected a Caldari to have common decency when he could take a pot shot at someone? Every day, I find it harder and harder to suggest a diplomatic peace accord between our peoples. Congratulations on your contribution.
You're welcome! |

Dos Naari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:26:00 -
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Halete wrote:It saddens me to see that this is the freshest face of the Cal-Matar front, Dos.
It would be insincere of me to say that, despite your crudeness, I had not felt a spark of hope when I realized that another Pilot had once again emerged who recognized the potential for a good relationship between our people.
However, I have quickly come to realize that the nature of your beliefs have been forged by hatred.
You express the worst qualities of my own kindred - ignorance and irrationality in the face our enemy - and none of our best. Furthermore, the fact that you treat your State's ally with such errant disrespect when they have treated you and yours well is a great disservice to the Caldari people. Though, perhaps, your most dire of betrayals may be the nature in which you attack your own. You marry our ideas of Tribe whilst lashing out at your sisters in the same turn and this I cannot accept.
Spirits help your troubled mind, whelp. I see you walking towards a Path of destruction.
When I came to this summit the first thing I noticed was the arrogance of religious zealots and a general air of the pretentious. My only crime is that I have spoken sincerely and from the heart amongst a group of individuals who use tact when blunt directness is called for. If that makes me a "whelp" on a path of destruction than perhaps this "summit" is not the right place for my views. If it is considered a bretrayal to call an individual on misplaced humility when dealing with RELIGIOUS SLAVER SCUM, then may you live in interesting times pandering to your imperial overlords, because make no mistake, for all their talk of truth their idea of salvation is packing you and the ones you love aboard a Bestower to be shipped off to Domain to be sold as livestock for a handful of isk. Mark my words, for when that day comes no amount of boot kissing, good business practices, or long winded diplomacy will save you. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
390
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:30:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote: When I came to this summit the first thing I noticed was the arrogance of religious zealots and a general air of the pretentious. My only crime is that I have spoken sincerely and from the heart amongst a group of individuals who use tact when blunt directness is called for. If that makes me a "whelp" on a path of destruction than perhaps this "summit" is not the right place for my views. If it is considered a bretrayal to call an individual on misplaced humility when dealing with RELIGIOUS SLAVER SCUM, then may you live in interesting times pandering to your imperial overlords, because make no mistake, for all their talk of truth their idea of salvation is packing you and the ones you love aboard a Bestower to be shipped off to Domain to be sold as livestock for a handful of isk. Mark my words, for when that day comes no amount of boot kissing, good business practices, or long winded diplomacy will save you.
So I expect you will be taking up arms for the Gallente or Minmatar Militias then? |

Tamiroth
Royal Amarr Institute
85
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:31:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote:When I came to this summit the first thing I noticed was the arrogance of religious zealots and a general air of the pretentious. My only crime is that I have spoken sincerely and from the heart amongst a group of individuals who use tact when blunt directness is called for. If that makes me a "whelp" on a path of destruction than perhaps this "summit" is not the right place for my views. If it is considered a bretrayal to call an individual on misplaced humility when dealing with RELIGIOUS SLAVER SCUM, then may you live in interesting times pandering to your imperial overlords, because make no mistake, for all their talk of truth their idea of salvation is packing you and the ones you love aboard a Bestower to be shipped off to Domain to be sold as livestock for a handful of isk. Mark my words, for when that day comes no amount of boot kissing, good business practices, or long winded diplomacy will save you. Why don't you join the Minmatar Militia then? I've heard that they've dropped the 0.5 standing requirement. You'll fit right in. Or is anything you can do is to spew mindless hatred and never-ending stream of insults on these forums?
Edit: It seems that Capt. Thessalonia is ahead of me with the same statement by a few seconds. Anyway. |

Dos Naari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:37:00 -
[86] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:So I expect you will be taking up arms for the Gallente or Minmatar Militias then? Nope, I refuse to fight for a hypocritical Federation or a liberation force that has members who insult someone for speaking blunty about the actions of slaver scum and those who pander to them. |

Tamiroth
Royal Amarr Institute
85
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:39:00 -
[87] - Quote
Dos Naari wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:So I expect you will be taking up arms for the Gallente or Minmatar Militias then? Nope, I refuse to fight for a hypocritical Federation or a liberation force that has members who insult someone for speaking blunty about the actions of slaver scum and those who pander to them. Ah, so your fight is the one of words then? How cute. A worthy addition to the "Cal-Matar front".
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
390
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:41:00 -
[88] - Quote
Dos Naari wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:So I expect you will be taking up arms for the Gallente or Minmatar Militias then? Nope, I refuse to fight for a hypocritical Federation or a liberation force that has members who insult someone for speaking blunty about the actions of slaver scum and those who pander to them.
Then I suspect you will, at least, be turning traitor on your own government? |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
196
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:41:00 -
[89] - Quote
Dos Naari wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:So I expect you will be taking up arms for the Gallente or Minmatar Militias then? Nope, I refuse to fight for a hypocritical Federation or a liberation force that has members who insult someone for speaking blunty about the actions of slaver scum and those who pander to them.
Hey, we're not ALL bad. |

Dos Naari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:44:00 -
[90] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Dos Naari wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:So I expect you will be taking up arms for the Gallente or Minmatar Militias then? Nope, I refuse to fight for a hypocritical Federation or a liberation force that has members who insult someone for speaking blunty about the actions of slaver scum and those who pander to them. Then I suspect you will, at least, be turning traitor on your own government? I am a neutral trader and that is what I intend to remain, any thoughts of "taking sides" have been squelched by this summit. |
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