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Shazi Mavox
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Posted - 2011.02.03 09:31:00 -
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Heck, if I had a shot at stealing someones property IRL without ever getting caught then I'd take it...
There are nice ppls IRL, but most of us just don't do evil deeds because in the end we'll end up hurting ourselves...
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Barry Ze'Choppa
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.03 09:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Baconbit
I personally don't like taking advantage people in rl or the game (the evile) but I think without it this game would be emotionless. I've been ganked and taken advantage of... tralalalala... lots of fluffy soft games
out there, none like this imo and thats why I like it.
I think Baconbits nails it pretty well in their post, the upside to having evil in the game is that it's actually generating fun for you. In a game of risk versus reward, having players out there actively creating risk makes it all the more worthwhile when you succeed. Likewise with the Zorg analogy (awesome by the way!), the destruction present in Eve helps fuel the economy, and the wars, scamming and general tomfoolery push people to adapt, rant and eventually help the game evolve. That's progress.
Also, to the OP, I can completely understand where you're coming from in terms of the social/moral dilemma. One of the big differences between you and the people shooting at you is that you both have different perspectives of what Eve actually is. In your case your ingame actions translate over from real life and vice-versa, and you view those actions and consequences with the same gravity, so it seems outrageous that there are people out there that could so easily blast you into oblivion and then promptly send you a text of how much they enjoyed it. However, for them, Eve is just a game. Their view of it doesn't range outside the scope of opportunity that might be presented to you (as another poster mentioned) in a game of chess. It's kill or be killed. Better to burn out than to fade away. Use whatever means to profit. For them there is no moral consideration here.
In the end it's just different perception of a similar paradigm. Hope this helps ease your worries.
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Piugattuk
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Posted - 2011.02.03 10:00:00 -
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Well ok I will give a consession on that word evil, maybe idiots would have been a more closer description, nonetheless they call hisec players carebear's with this this implies they understand some players don't want to play the boom game, for others saying afraid of losing ships...nope I have, now, and continue to lose ships so that is not a reason of mine, but one guy put it best, here is where some can vent for RL and this makes sense, just wish people could least not have to be ****ing on you after the act. As this thread shows those who hide behind keyboards and wouldn't behave like this in RL knowing they'll get smacked.
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Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.03 10:00:00 -
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OH MY WHAT A BUNCH OF AIRHEADS.
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Barry Ze'Choppa
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.03 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Chopper Rollins
OH MY WHAT A BUNCH OF AIRHEADS.
Nailed it, bro. *Fistbump*
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Keta Fraal
Nul and Booleans
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Posted - 2011.02.03 10:07:00 -
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To put it simply: A game that makes it easy to hurt others will draw people who look for that in a game.
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Piugattuk
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Posted - 2011.02.03 10:24:00 -
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True...did not think of that but right on....the players are draw in by the promise of blowing up and smashing things....I look at the game more like its advertised, explore...blah blah blah, but we know about truth in advertising...tisk cccp.
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Piugattuk
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Posted - 2011.02.03 10:44:00 -
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Ok, thanks all for your contributions, yes even to the people trying to grief here, only makes this have more clarity, I don't get butt hurt about remarks just shows which people here have a brain wired to think and who will end up on Darwin awards.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2011.02.03 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shazi Mavox
Heck, if I had a shot at stealing someones property IRL without ever getting caught then I'd take it...
There are nice ppls IRL, but most of us just don't do evil deeds because in the end we'll end up hurting ourselves...
That's what thieves excuse their behaviour with. Simply not true. If everyone acted out on every presented oppertunity they knew they wouldn't get called on it would first of all cause a properly conditioned individual guilt and second cause a thinking man to dream up the kind of society unchecked acts of theft and hostility would bring about.
Rasa have been known to travel the high road. Why? We're simply better than you... and clean.
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Fat Willy
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Posted - 2011.02.03 11:04:00 -
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Indeed we are all sinners. Rejoice in the fact that your own pure light will shine brightest in the darkest of places... and all the sinners will marvel at this and come flocking to you, Tachyon's at the ready! 
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Rykuss
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Posted - 2011.02.03 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
Originally by: Piugattuk
So if you judge it to be rhetorical then I should accept your point of view and not seek answers, that's very narrow thinking, your beliefs that yours is the valid one puts you in a superior position no? The be all authority, bin laden is an authority on that too.
When the **** did Doctor Phil start playing EvE?
You never know...
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Eastman Color
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Posted - 2011.02.03 11:18:00 -
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It's a game
Would you argue that chess is an immoral game as it's "about ethnic cleansing"
Just because I play chess does not mean I believe that one "colour" should prevail over another.
It's just a game.
Same with eve, just because I blow up ships "of the innocent" doesn't mean I'd stab random people in the street.
One is reality, the other is a game.
If you can't tell the difference you have far greater issues to deal with.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 11:19:00 -
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8/10
would read thread again.
Also in a universe where there is no true death for the pod pilots, does this retract from immorality of killing eachother? It becomes simple economics.
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Shazi Mavox
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Posted - 2011.02.03 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Shazi Mavox on 03/02/2011 11:49:10
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
That's what thieves excuse their behaviour with. Simply not true. If everyone acted out on every presented oppertunity they knew they wouldn't get called on it would first of all cause a properly conditioned individual guilt and second cause a thinking man to dream up the kind of society unchecked acts of theft and hostility would bring about.
Rasa have been known to travel the high road. Why? We're simply better than you... and clean.
What an enlightened opinion, "we're better than you". Goes to show just how nice you are...
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.02.03 11:59:00 -
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There are some cool good players in this game even if it seems that most players are nothing more than immature punks. Just remember that the griefers, scammers, trolls, etc. all have a deep seated personal problem from some sort of social inadequacy which they try to compensate for in this game. The trick is to not be taken in by them, don't allow them to make you play the game their way and don't even give them a chance to engage you.
As for comparing Eve to Chess, sorry, those two games are completely different. Chess is set up to start with equal opposing forces. When two players with same level of skill play it, the best either can hope for is a stalemate in which there is no winner or loser.
After a while you'll find out who's cool and who's not. Main thing is don't trust anyone until you've known them for some time and they have proven themselves. Trust is something that is earned and shouldn't be freely given. Always double and triple check information on everything. Practice the 5 P's, Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance. Last but not least, if it sounds too good to be true, then you know it isn't.
Fly smart and you'll stay safe.
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catinboots
Minmatar
Vintage collective
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:19:00 -
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In the strugle between good and evil , evil has more fun
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There be dragons
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Keta Fraal
Nul and Booleans
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: catinboots
In the strugle between good and evil , evil has more fun
It's still a matter of opinion.
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:29:00 -
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I'm not evil, it is just my personal believe that all your stuff belongs to me. Please respect my personal believe, it is my religion, thx.
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Kalrissia
Temporal Incursion
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:34:00 -
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I'm not evil either. I can't help it if I make children cry and have a fixation about sharp shiny things.
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Nora Skuld
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Eastman Color
It's a game
Would you argue that chess is an immoral game as it's "about ethnic cleansing"
Just because I play chess does not mean I believe that one "colour" should prevail over another.
It's just a game.
Same with eve, just because I blow up ships "of the innocent" doesn't mean I'd stab random people in the street.
One is reality, the other is a game.
If you can't tell the difference you have far greater issues to deal with.
Wrong analogy. Chess is a two player game and the one and only goal is to defeat your opponent. EVE is a massive multiplayer game with an open end. There are several ways to play this game, many of which are completely opposed. Some people will let themselves be guided by their morality and principles, others only want to "score points". What I would call "evil players" are those who enjoy collecting tears, among other things.
Of course, evil players are not necessarily evil persons IRL, they're probably just jackasses or other kinds of idiots.
"It's just a game" is not an excuse. You are judged based on your choices and actions, in RL or in-game. You're not an evil **** if you beat your opponent in chess, but you are if you grief rookies in EVE.
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Zombatar
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nora Skuld
Originally by: Eastman Color
It's a game
Would you argue that chess is an immoral game as it's "about ethnic cleansing"
Just because I play chess does not mean I believe that one "colour" should prevail over another.
It's just a game.
Same with eve, just because I blow up ships "of the innocent" doesn't mean I'd stab random people in the street.
One is reality, the other is a game.
If you can't tell the difference you have far greater issues to deal with.
Wrong analogy. Chess is a two player game and the one and only goal is to defeat your opponent. EVE is a massive multiplayer game with an open end. There are several ways to play this game, many of which are completely opposed. Some people will let themselves be guided by their morality and principles, others only want to "score points". What I would call "evil players" are those who enjoy collecting tears, among other things.
Of course, evil players are not necessarily evil persons IRL, they're probably just jackasses or other kinds of idiots.
"It's just a game" is not an excuse. You are judged based on your choices and actions, in RL or in-game. You're not an evil **** if you beat your opponent in chess, but you are if you grief rookies in EVE.
I fully agree with the above comment. EvE is an OPEN ENDED game, YOUR choices DEFINE your gameplay and style. If you CHOOSE to be a pirate and kill noobs for fun, THAT tells something about yourself in real life.
I've seen my fair share of evil people in EVE and I can say that humanity is doomed, because EvE is full of such people and I am sure they are the same in real life, if they are not like that in RL it is because of RL CONCORD and the threat of prison/death.
I pity all EvE players that do evil stuff just for the "fun" factor. That shows who they are. Every action, be it in a game or in RL speaks about who you are. You can't escape that with "It's just a game" argument.
Stealing, scamming, poping noobs is something you choose to do in EvE. Think about that. The game does not force you to do it, you can also mine all day. Having fun is possible without evil stuff, by engaging in fair fights and battles, those are rare in EvE but are the best.
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Evil Viliana
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:28:00 -
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Hi, I'm Evil
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Boby46
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:29:00 -
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I have no problem with the carebears. But they need to accept that "evil" people are going to scam, gank, and ransom you.
I have to be nice in real life, why should I be nice in internet spaceships?
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Joe Forum
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:32:00 -
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A far greater proportion of people in RL are nasty compared to Eve.
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Tagera
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:47:00 -
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I tend to disbelieve in the idea of evil or good. The world is generally not made of absolutes. Even the nicest and most harmless of people will do something if opportunity presents itself and allows them to get ahead of the rest of the rat race that is humanity. And anyone that doesn't is doing a good job of fighting their basic human nature.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Boby46
I have no problem with the carebears. But they need to accept that "evil" people are going to scam, gank, and ransom you.
I have to be nice in real life, why should I be nice in internet spaceships?
'Have to be'!
You really want to be an *******, you think you'll get more out of life being asocial? More money perhaps but people who know you in that strata will know you for what you became to get there.
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ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2011.02.03 14:00:00 -
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Quite frankly, EVE was designed by "evil people" aka gankers and griefers from Ultima Online! 
They cunningly lured us into this trap with all the nice complicated gameplay so that their fellow griefers have many juicy targets.
LOL at the social Darwinist theories and other excuses to let out your inner a$$hole in the game.
Thankfully in here the good guys can actually grow a pair and put on the "a$$kicking for goodness!!" boots. The cards are still stacked in favor of the frackheads, but much less so than in RL.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.02.03 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Karak Terrel
I'm not evil, it is just my personal believe that all your stuff belongs to me. Please respect my personal believe, it is my religion, thx.
You're welcome to come and try to take my stuff anytime.
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Asp IV
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Posted - 2011.02.03 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Asp IV on 03/02/2011 14:06:47
Well do understand the concept of evil in video games. Some people do get kicks out destroying the hard earned fruits of others work.They are the sort of scum that thinks seeing someone slipping on a banana peel actually is "funny". Now actually profiting from other peoples "misfortunes" is good strategy and powahgaming...
Mankind however (despite the anonymous douchebaggery on the interwebs) are far worse off..
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Asp IV
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Posted - 2011.02.03 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Boby46
I have no problem with the carebears. But they need to accept that "evil" people are going to scam, gank, and ransom you.
I have to be nice in real life, why should I be nice in internet spaceships?
It puts the lotion on the skin...
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