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Dessie Enta
Caldari Breach Allied Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.15 12:10:00 -
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I can't access this Evenews24.com website at all. Have tried lots of other sites so I don't think it's my connection. But the site is definitely up according to those sites that check if another site is up or not. What's the go there? Using a VPN connection I can get to the site fine...
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.02.15 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Camios
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217 Beating the bots in 4 steps: 1) make cloaky alt 2) warp to systems frequented by said 23/7 farmer ravens 3) Safespot and cloak 4) lol as they all ctrl-q or ss/cloak and wait for you to leave.
So a human has to login to ensure a robot doesn't.
That is the opposite of efficiency.
It's pretty efficient actually.
1) make alt with cloaky t3 2) warp to systems frequented by said 23/7 farmer ravens 3) Safespot and cloak 4) ask for a reasonable ransom to leave the system 5) get the money 6) report them
But it may go in the wrong direction:
1) make alt with cloaky t3 2) warp to systems frequented by said 23/7 farmer ravens 3) Safespot and cloak 4) ask for a reasonable ransom to leave the system 5) get the money 6) report them 7) you get banned because CCP believe you have bought isk from them.
Unfortunately at no point in that plan do you actually prove that they are bots, just that they are more than happy to part with a percentage of whatever they've made to be left alone.
The plan also doesn't take in to account that if each bot is making 1b ISK a day... that's rather a lot of spare Raven's worth of ISK. You'll run out of ammo before they feel the impact to their activities. In the few hours it'll take your T3 to get resupplied they'll have made back all the money lost.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.15 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 15/02/2011 12:21:43
Originally by: Dessie Enta I can't access this Evenews24.com website at all. Have tried lots of other sites so I don't think it's my connection. But the site is definitely up according to those sites that check if another site is up or not. What's the go there? Using a VPN connection I can get to the site fine...
They migrated yesterday, maybe your ISP hasnt refreshed its DNS cache yet (although right after that happened I got a nice message from their old address, maybe that is down now though).
Originally by: Rhes
Originally by: Whyumadtho Is botting really this rampant?
No. You have to consider the source...Evenews24 is literally the Fox News of the Eve world.
Lets get a more accurate source then, captainktainer from your TEST brosefs about his ISK making, who is a atm among most reliable sources:
Quote: This would go a lot faster if there were systems in Deklein that weren't botted to hell so I could jew up a Maelstrom. I mean, Jesus Christ, Goons. ****.
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Razor Vision
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Posted - 2011.02.15 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Razor Vision on 15/02/2011 12:53:21 Awesome work, OP.
Also I want to add that there is a great number of Russian bots also in Stain NPC region.
-A- claims to "own" Stain and they force people to pay "rent" (500mill per month) per system per bot.
Really interesting stats OP. I guess that means those bots pay off their rent bill in just 1 day. Wow. And NPC rats in Stain can be up to 1.8mill a piece and there's many faction spawns. So that's easily 1bill per day.
I used to roam a while ago in Stain and I remember seeing the exact same drake/raven pilot in the exact same system at all hours of the day. And this was quite the norm for many systems in NPC Stain. It's basically a bot region.
And yeah, it's pretty easy to f--- with the Russians. If they are afk with their macro's set and you enter the system as a red, you'll force them to log off in some circumstances. It's also really easy to kill them. I know some people who make a living off farming the bots themselves. haha!
But yeah, down with the bots. It's ridiculous to have people ratting in the exact same system 23.5/7. It's unrealistic and obviously not a real person playing it.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.02.15 13:00:00 -
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Stain has been full of macro ratters for years.
It's simply not believable that CCP are unaware of them and have been for years
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.02.15 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rorriana Edited by: Rorriana on 11/02/2011 19:13:57
Originally by: chaireth cutestory
If you would like to maintain indefinite 24 hour camps in three dozen solar systems, go right ahead. You realize the bots cloak and safe up and have limitless patience.
It doesn't sound like any fun at all to me, but you seem quite attached to the idea. Best of luck.
I think it's more productive to ask that CCP enforce the rules of the game, or change the rules to level the playing field.
That is unlikely to happen. CCP obviously lacks either resources, knowledge, or motivation in this case, and quite frankly it is a problem that players can solve.
This is not a player solvable issue CCP. Nor should it be. We are paying for a service. And while we're "playing" we're also customers. Since CCP refuses to do anything tangible save for unverifiable actions taken once a couple of years ago the only other alternative is to notify CCP of your discontinuance of their service for said reason. But like most regular players....those concerned with botting....too much is invested in the game preventing one from just walking away.
I think many of you are forgetting this one point. You're a customer paying for a service. If the connection you're paying for from an ISP is crappy, are you going to fix it yourself even if you know exactly what the cause is? No you're not. So, stop acting like CCP is anything other than a service provider and that Eve is anything other than a service. If you don't like the service in it's current state and if CCP doesn't take your complaints seriously your options are either to live with the degradation of service as it currently is or stop paying for the service.
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Angel of Night
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Posted - 2011.02.15 13:29:00 -
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Botting is against EULA. CCP has written EULA and needs to force the content of it. If CCP agrees that we all should start botting and efficiently totally ruin the game in few months, they should change the EULA to reflect the current double standards.
Only way to safe the game from total economy disaster is to act now. The client will need serious security upgrade and all current bots including their assets (like pos structures) need to be removed from game as soon as possible.
This is my persinal opinnion and I will vote towards this solution with my personal monthly subscription, even the vote doesnt weight much in this boat.
Nuff said.
(Thx to Eve News24 staff for supporting the cause)
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.02.15 19:00:00 -
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CCP's silence on the matter is quite stunning. We had unholy rage and then nothing ... then a new blog which amounted to telling us nothing. If you need to douche, please do it at home. |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.02.15 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: riverini Our reporter petitioned each and every one of them, so far CCP seems to contempt with them making about 800 - 1bil a day.
I think the word you are looking for is content, not contempt.
Contrary to popular belief, CCP does ban people for botting, unfortunately they aren't perma-bans. Just go through the forums on the botting sites and you'll see quite a bit of whining about bans, but most of the time they're only temporary.
They just need to revisit their policy and perma-ban people sooner. I don't know what the threshold is, but it's pretty damn high imo. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Rhes
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.15 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Lets get a more accurate source then, captainktainer from your TEST brosefs about his ISK making, who is a atm among most reliable sources:
Quote: This would go a lot faster if there were systems in Deklein that weren't botted to hell so I could jew up a Maelstrom. I mean, Jesus Christ, Goons. ****.
Are there bots in nullsec? Sure. Is the "problem" as rampant and as serious as evenews24 is going on about? No, it's not.
For EN24 stirring up drama provides them more pageviews where actual facts and objectivity don't.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari GloboTech Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.15 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Aiel on 15/02/2011 19:22:12
Originally by: Othran Sadly the only way CCP ever deals with stuff like this is when you take it public.
To CCP staff - I'm sure you THINK you're dealing with it but you aren't. Not in any measurable way.
From what ive seen in this game when you take stuff public the whistle blower gets banned. Im thinking about T20 and Kugut here
Then again, this stuff and the company running the game's inability to deal with it is rampant. Hell, back when I played WoW I reported a botter for a week straight and at the end the GM straight told me to stop reporting it. I asked him for a reputable botting service to use then and got a 48 hour ban lol ------------------------------------------------ CCP you are your own worst enemy. ------------------------------------------------ |
Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.02.15 21:21:00 -
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i don't play EVE because other people have ultimately more ISK than me through heavy use of bots
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JC Anderson
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.02.15 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel Hell, back when I played WoW I reported a botter for a week straight and at the end the GM straight told me to stop reporting it. I asked him for a reputable botting service to use then and got a 48 hour ban lol
ROFL
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Dessie Enta
Caldari Breach Allied Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 15/02/2011 12:21:43 They migrated yesterday, maybe your ISP hasnt refreshed its DNS cache yet (although right after that happened I got a nice message from their old address, maybe that is down now though).
I tried changing to some free DNS services (OpenDNS, etc). Still can't load the page. Seems maybe my ISP's IP ranges have been blocked. My friend on the same ISP has the same issue. Tried renewing IP a few times couldn't get through.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dessie Enta
Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 15/02/2011 12:21:43 They migrated yesterday, maybe your ISP hasnt refreshed its DNS cache yet (although right after that happened I got a nice message from their old address, maybe that is down now though).
I tried changing to some free DNS services (OpenDNS, etc). Still can't load the page. Seems maybe my ISP's IP ranges have been blocked. My friend on the same ISP has the same issue. Tried renewing IP a few times couldn't get through.
DNS records are usually valid for 15 minutes...sometimes longer...
...migrating the SOA however will take anywhere from 24-72 hours before the SOA records are propogated...
Btw, doing ipconfig /renew (if you're on windows) won't help a dns resolve problem. All that does is release the lease on your IP and requests a new one. ipconfig /flushdns will purge the local dns cache but if the dns servers you are using have the wrong SOA records still it won't help.
- - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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riverini
Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:43:00 -
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Yeah, new server is up and running, you should be able to see it, eve-mail me if u keep having issues! R
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freshspree
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Posted - 2011.02.16 02:50:00 -
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NOMNOMNOMNOM
End thread*
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Aquila Draco
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Posted - 2011.02.16 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Angel of Night Botting is against EULA. CCP has written EULA and needs to force the content of it. If CCP agrees that we all should start botting and efficiently totally ruin the game in few months, they should change the EULA to reflect the current double standards.
Only way to safe the game from total economy disaster is to act now. The client will need serious security upgrade and all current bots including their assets (like pos structures) need to be removed from game as soon as possible.
This is my persinal opinnion and I will vote towards this solution with my personal monthly subscription, even the vote doesnt weight much in this boat.
Nuff said.
(Thx to Eve News24 staff for supporting the cause)
Signed!
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Swanky nutjob
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Posted - 2011.02.17 07:38:00 -
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Bumping this because if you haven't read this, you should. It affect every eve player.
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Jack BingKaria
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Posted - 2011.02.17 11:48:00 -
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If bots get out of game.
The mineral market will crash as well, there will be a HUGE decrease of new minerals on market. Means miners will earn way more isk, however a lot of ships will become too expensive to use, due to bots gone and mining take "real man" hours.
CCP will get a balance problem, since BPO's amounts are basically BALANCED with having bots in game.
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Severian Carnifex
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.17 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jack BingKaria If bots get out of game.
The mineral market will crash as well, there will be a HUGE decrease of new minerals on market. Means miners will earn way more isk, however a lot of ships will become too expensive to use, due to bots gone and mining take "real man" hours.
CCP will get a balance problem, since BPO's amounts are basically BALANCED with having bots in game.
So... Lets Bot Everybody... You see... its helping the game...
I dont know how ppl dont understand that if Bots are out of game that more ppl would mine and that prices would settle... so market would calm down in short time...
ppl only need reason to sweep the dust from their mining alts and to bring hulks in space...
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.17 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jack BingKaria If bots get out of game.
The mineral market will crash as well, there will be a HUGE decrease of new minerals on market. Means miners will earn way more isk, however a lot of ships will become too expensive to use, due to bots gone and mining take "real man" hours.
CCP will get a balance problem, since BPO's amounts are basically BALANCED with having bots in game.
You obviously forgot or chose to forget mission running/ratting bots. That is a direct injection of ISK into the game without minerals to cover it. If bots are removed, the balance will not be disturbed.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.17 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 17/02/2011 12:52:27
Originally by: Jack BingKaria If bots get out of game.
The mineral market will crash as well, there will be a HUGE decrease of new minerals on market. Means miners will earn way more isk, however a lot of ships will become too expensive to use, due to bots gone and mining take "real man" hours.
CCP will get a balance problem, since BPO's amounts are basically BALANCED with having bots in game.
Higher price for minerals -> more people go mining, if really needed CCP could just increase mining yield, not exactly rocket science. But right now mining is pretty useless if you arent a bot (tbh i dont see why people mine with bots either, if you gonna bot anyway just use them in sanctums).
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.02.17 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Angus on 17/02/2011 13:04:34 Bans need to be permabans to change anything, AC had a 2 strikes and out policy which ended up being a licence to bot untill you got caught policy (it killed the game) In eve this becomes even a bigger problem, just bot like crazy till your 1st ban then sell char or move to less risky botting and start a new bot account or 10
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.02.17 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rhes
Originally by: Furb Killer
Lets get a more accurate source then, captainktainer from your TEST brosefs about his ISK making, who is a atm among most reliable sources:
Quote: This would go a lot faster if there were systems in Deklein that weren't botted to hell so I could jew up a Maelstrom. I mean, Jesus Christ, Goons. ****.
Are there bots in nullsec? Sure. Is the "problem" as rampant and as serious as evenews24 is going on about? No, it's not.
For EN24 stirring up drama provides them more pageviews where actual facts and objectivity don't.
Quoting one of the owners of some of the most intensively botted space on the map. Deklein is infested with bots. As is Venal.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Perramas
Caldari Pan Caldarian Ventures
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Posted - 2011.02.17 13:42:00 -
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Dont ban the accounts for botting. The accounts will be unbanned when CCP roles out another free game time promotion for expired subscriptions. Leave the account active and delete all the characters on the account for botting AND do the same to people who buy ISK.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.02.17 13:54:00 -
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This is great news - hop you can overcome the issue.
It's really interesting that the botters(?) launched a DOS attack on you like that.
Can't wait to see the list up.
Nice work.
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Jack Gilligan
1st Cavalry Division Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.17 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia This is great news - hop you can overcome the issue.
It's really interesting that the botters(?) launched a DOS attack on you like that.
Can't wait to see the list up.
Nice work.
To the RMT Russians, Internet Spaceships are MORE than just Serious Business. These are the same guys that, for example offered to go cut the power lines to the house of an opponent leader to disrupt them in a fight... DoS'ing a website for having the audacity to post irrefutable evidence that XDeath and Solar are botters who should be banned would just be par for the course for them.
I'm not saying there aren't bots running elsewhere, there are. When we invaded Tenerifis and Impass, for example, we encountered AAA citizens bots still ratting away. Venal is (or was) lousy with NC and Goon bots. These probably exist in every region. But for sheer scale, NOTHING can compare to the operation going on in the Bot Regions.
Anyone who roams 0.0 looking for pvp knows where the bots are and who is doing it.
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Jack BingKaria
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Posted - 2011.02.17 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Originally by: Wacktopia This is great news - hop you can overcome the issue.
It's really interesting that the botters(?) launched a DOS attack on you like that.
Can't wait to see the list up.
Nice work.
To the RMT Russians, Internet Spaceships are MORE than just Serious Business. These are the same guys that, for example offered to go cut the power lines to the house of an opponent leader to disrupt them in a fight... DoS'ing a website for having the audacity to post irrefutable evidence that XDeath and Solar are botters who should be banned would just be par for the course for them.
I'm not saying there aren't bots running elsewhere, there are. When we invaded Tenerifis and Impass, for example, we encountered AAA citizens bots still ratting away. Venal is (or was) lousy with NC and Goon bots. These probably exist in every region. But for sheer scale, NOTHING can compare to the operation going on in the Bot Regions.
Anyone who roams 0.0 looking for pvp knows where the bots are and who is doing it.
Exactly, most of the biggest 0.0 fights barely have anything to do with gaming: to beat someone or to have good fight together. Its pure about protecting and increasing RL income of a lot of people in such alliances and they will do anything to protect that. Oh and we are not even talking about bots then :/
Yeah, eve became pretty sick.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.17 17:14:00 -
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Id say be careful what you expose to the light. Get a story too big an youll get banned for exposing it
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