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David Estarra
Starside Lost
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Posted - 2011.09.26 20:52:00 -
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ITT: Apparent time travel.. but I'm not sure if it's the OP going into the future or me going into the past and seeing this thread again.
Ooh, I've come over all deja vu.. must be that time of the month.. |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.26 20:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Thats because those games are not made to last.
You unironically fly a megathron in fleets so you'll understand why I can't take your opinion seriously. v0v
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.26 21:12:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:game update is not a sequel. Console games don't live on updates and DLC for very long because the audience has been trained to expect a brand new game every few months. GǪmaybe because no-one has tried. And DLCs have most certainly kept games alive for longer than they otherwise would, but no-one has really pushed that angle.
Tbh, I think it's more due to the console game developers expecting to release a brand new game every few months, because they operate on a one-shot sales model. I'm not at all convinced that the gamers are completely inert-ified (ehmGǪ yesGǪ that's a wordGǪ now) and incapable of embracing a new release model.
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 21:31:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:baltec1 wrote:Thats because those games are not made to last. You unironically fly a megathron in fleets so you'll understand why I can't take your opinion seriously. v0v
I also used a tie bomber to dogfight a-wings in SWG, used a lightning tank as a paratrooper in gal infantry drops in planetside and belly flop a blackhawk onto troops in BF2 and get away with all of it. Welcome to the whaky world of Baltec, where madness isnt always all that mad.
I think if CCP do it right it will be a success. Dare you doubt my madness? |
Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.26 21:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ladie Scarlet wrote:baltec1 wrote:Thats because those games are not made to last. You unironically fly a megathron in fleets so you'll understand why I can't take your opinion seriously. v0v I also used a tie bomber to dogfight a-wings in SWG, used a lightning tank as a paratrooper in gal infantry drops in planetside and belly flop a blackhawk onto troops in BF2 and get away with all of it. Welcome to the whaky world of Baltec, where madness isnt always all that mad. I think if CCP do it right it will be a success. Dare you doubt my madness?
The core EVE players that hit the 75k subscribers to turn a profit came from failing space MMOs at that time. It was the right product at the right time.
I come from Mankind myself, a space themed RTSMMO.
I dont see the console FPS market having any fail like that atm or near the release dates of DUST, it is coming to an already saturated market.
These are only speculations OFC none of us can see into the future.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.26 21:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:used a lightning tank as a paratrooper in gal infantry drops in planetside Sorry to burst your bubble, but that doesn't count as GÇ£madnessGÇ¥ GÇö more as GÇ£business as usualGÇ¥.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 21:53:00 -
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Kunming wrote:
The core EVE players that hit the 75k subscribers to turn a profit came from failing space MMOs at that time. It was the right product at the right time.
I come from Mankind myself, a space themed RTSMMO.
I dont see the console FPS market having any fail like that atm or near the release dates of DUST, it is coming to an already saturated market.
These are only speculations OFC none of us can see into the future.
Gears of war and halo managed to do it. The thing about most console FPS including COD is that the multiplayer is not all that fantastic. COD multiplayer hasnt seen anything new for a very long time. The only reason why its so big is because they come out with a new one every 6 or so months. Battlefield games do multiplayer much better but even they didnt do console multiplayer very well.
If dust offers something new and different then it could easily be a success. |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.09.26 21:57:00 -
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When the EA and Activison poor -ú50million into advertising for their shooters, why is anyone expecting Dust to make any sort of impact?
The only thing that would make dust a box office sucess would be critical acclaim, and unless they've mastered the art of MICROtransactions, I don't see that happening.
Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado.
Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2011.09.26 21:58:00 -
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I love it when people are burning a game to the ground a year before they even release it. The press got informed on this year's E3 and GamesCon and they named the game as the most ambitious and innovative game in a long time. Do you really think CCP would start a project like this without some basic insurance that this might actually work?
Be glad that we get a game like DUST. Or would you rather play another ****** Halo or COD? Sure it has the potential to fail horribly. But what if it does become a success? It would be the new benchmark for online gaming.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.09.26 22:04:00 -
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Quote:Anybody who's not a mouthbreathing idiot can see the future when it comes to Dust. A console shooter (a market that is glutted with titles) exclusive to the console with the smallest audience is doomed to fail.
Also, console kiddies in Eve lol
As much as i usually disagree with Scarlet (only cause she's a Goon and if they post they are either wrong or trolling), I am inclined to agree with her/it/he here.
If CCP wants Dust to roll for a long time, they are going to need a PC port at the very least to get Eve players on board. Old dudes like me can't even do a backflip on console motorbike 'cos I can't press 19 buttons with 11 fingers all at the same time. PC port and it might kick nicely.
However. One thing I haven't worked out yet.
If Dust 514 is all about control of planets, how will that affect PI in Eve? And subsequently all POS mods/fuel etc...
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 22:22:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:
If Dust 514 is all about control of planets, how will that affect PI in Eve? And subsequently all POS mods/fuel etc...
Dust bunnies will do this to you're infrastructure |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.26 22:35:00 -
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Well, as an Eve player who also has a PS3, I'm definitely picking this up. I do think that not launching this on PC day 1 with the PS3 version is an incredibly huge mistake, but for all anyone knows, it could still be a success despite all the doubt surrounding it.
As long as it's a great game then console exclusivity won't matter one bit. Even if it's just 'okay,' that still might end up not being so bad. Look at MAG. PS3 exclusive and undoubtedly nothing mind-blowing, but still has a loyal fanbase of a couple couple thousand logged on at any moment last time I heard. Same with Socom, Killzone, Resistance, and even Uncharted.
Now I'm not saying that this game won't be a disappointment, but saying this game will fail is the same as saying it will be the greatest game of all time. You could come up with a list or reasons for each, but neither option is more valid than the other. In both cases, you're building weak evidence for something that is literally impossible to prove.
Therefore, rather than rage and expect this game to be bad, I choose to be optimistic. Sue me. |
Darth Skorpius
352 Industries
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ladie Scarlet wrote:Anybody who's not a mouthbreathing idiot can see the future when it comes to Dust. A console shooter (a market that is glutted with titles) exclusive to the console with the smallest audience is doomed to fail. Yes. The PS3-exclusive shooters have all been such abysmal failures that they're only into their third or fourth sequel by nowGǪ
resistance just had its second sequel (3rd game in the main series) released, with 2 or 3 spin off games already out for psp and at least one in the works for psvita, and i beleive insomniac are planning for a 4th game.
but yeah, its been a complete failure and dust is doomed to follow in its footsteps
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Cpt Fina
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:02:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Also, console kiddies in Eve lol
A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****.
In any case, the lack of self perspective in that post... blows my mind. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:06:00 -
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Quote:A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****.
Dude. I laughed so hard I fell off my chair and broke my bum! +1
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. |
KaarBaak
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:20:00 -
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I don't understand why people think Dust has to compete with top titles in the genre in order to be successful.
Eve doesn't compete with WoW. Most would agree that Eve shouldn't try to poach WoW players...due to various unscientific evaluations of their intellect.
CCP has a history of NOT going along with the mainstream....of courting a different kind of player. A lot of players and most non-players of Eve would agree that capsuleers are on an extreme end of the MMO population. We like it that way. We like to be able to gloat to other MMO players that we're smart enough to understand Eve and tough enough to survive in it's harsh environs.
CCP, IMO is going to market Dust to a similar niche in the console market. "Console-kiddies" are not that market. CCP believes that there are console gamers out there looking for a new experience, a persistent world that is like no other game. It's not for the eleventy-billion Team Fortress/Battleground/Halo players.
Dust will be successful as a niche FPSMMO much the same as Eve has been successful as a niche MMO.
Tippia wrote:GǪmaybe because no-one has tried. QFT
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:21:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Quote:A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****. Dude. I laughed so hard I fell off my chair and broke my bum! +1
Sounds like you need to take the fabric from your hood and make a cushion. Also anybody who thinks Goons and console kiddies are the same thing doesn't really understand either group. Next you'll be telling me 4chan is funnier than somethingawful...
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
non judgement
Evolved from the Wreck
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:29:00 -
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I thought one of the reasons they weren't making Dust for PC right away was that aimbots are easy to make for PC. Maybe they can make the same types of things on PS3, I don't know. Maybe someone can correct me on this.
Also I heard a rumour that mouse and keyboard players beat console players. Better to have a fair playing field?
I'm also one of those people who think that after awhile they'll release a PC version. |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:40:00 -
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non judgement wrote:I'm also one of those people who think that after awhile they'll release a PC version.
I'm sure that will happen when they finally realize the PS3 thing was a mistake but by then it will be too late. Plus like you mentioned mouse+keyboard players will always beat console players in an FPS (it has little to do with aimbots just that the keyboard makes aiming much easier) so then all the PS3 players would get demoralized and quit.
The idea behind Dust 514 (an fps component to a spaceship mmo) sounds fantastic and would have been a great improvement to the core game (and another chance to mess with pubbies) but as soon as they went the console route they killed it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:45:00 -
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Kunming wrote:Xercodo wrote:I've been to trailer videos and articles about DUST and every single one of them has comments broken down roughly as such:
20% "**** YOU CCP MAKE A PC/XBOX VERSION"
10% "...ya know what? I'm gonna get a PS3 just for this" (I know this is way more then I expected)
10% "...I'm a bitter vet and this is just gonna fail"
60% "WOO THIS IS AWESOME, WHEN'S IT COME OUT?!"
Yes these numbers are very rough and bit arbitrary but you get the idea.
Point is, I don't care what bitter vets say at this point about DUST anymore... Not every vet is bitter. Those comments break down the EVE community responses, DUST is still an unknown for the majority of the console community. Then look at what Prince Kobol said, no idea how much is truth but one thing is for sure the market has already favourites and DUST will have to compete for publicity in the first place, before its gameplay will be tested and judged by the masses.
Yes but I'd be willing to say that half of that 60% is very enthusiastic but doesn't even know EVE exists
(I lol'd at that guy that was trying to claim Sony built it form the ground up cause ti was on PS3 or something)
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.09.27 19:22:00 -
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Well heres the thing, Eve is most likely going to steal MAG players.
MAG is the current PS3 mass on mass team co-operative play pitting players in 129 player battlefields. Teamwork is nessecary to succed.
MAG players are probably just as adamant as 'Halo' fans in thier genre subdivision, so games like resistance (arcade) barely interest them while something along the lines of battlefield (tatical operations) would have more appeal. And from the looks of it, MAG players are far more hyped over Dust than they are about any interation of battlefield.
If you take MAG sprinkle a bit more sci-fi into it, multiple planets, long lasting concequences and extensive teamwork that extends beyond the battlefield youd get something remarkedbly close to Dust. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.27 19:44:00 -
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CaptainFalcon07 wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:
However the OP is a couple months late to the Dust will fail party.
Pretty much... seems like another pissed xbox owner. Nah just a pissed off PC gamer.
the only games where a PC matters anymore is MMO's and RTS's
Dust is a shooter, thus console is superior.
the problem is, shooters don't do well on PS3, look at killzone 3, about 3 million in sales... terrible for the hype of killzone.
then look at gears 3, 3million sales in the first week.. will climb around Christmas as well..
i know just about every PC fanboy will rage at what i said, but its unfortunate fact, PC gaming has died off since the PS2/xbox. less and less companies every care about PC shooters or RPG's and some don't even port their games to it anymore. remove MMO's and RTS's and think of 3 companies that make exclusive PC games anymore. |
Winters Chill
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.27 19:50:00 -
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Maybe, but Im really going to enjoy throttling the POS consumable supply. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.27 19:57:00 -
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Cpt Fina wrote:Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Also, console kiddies in Eve lol
A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****. In any case, the lack of self perspective in that post... blows my mind.
+1
PS. Also I had my first ship loss in Eve from Cpt Fina's Crow in Egghelende  |
Cpt Fina
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.09.28 00:07:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Cpt Fina wrote:Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Also, console kiddies in Eve lol
A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****. In any case, the lack of self perspective in that post... blows my mind. +1 PS. Also I had my first ship loss in Eve from Cpt Fina's Crow in Egghelende
Back in the days when the crow didn't suck 
What the hell were CCP thinking when they balanced light missiles?
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.09.28 01:28:00 -
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I think for Dust to be interesting to different types of gamers would entail it having some sort of single player experience, at least something you can do on your own. It would be amazing if we could get an actual single player storyline, even if it's only 5-6 hours long. Even something along the lines of missions we do in Eve would be interesting.
I think that if its goal is to reach the spastic, ADHD suffering, Red Bull-chugging idiot FPS gamers then it's going to flop because as soon as the next big thing comes out for PS3 or Xbox 360, they'll forget all about it. All it will take is another Modern Warfare or Halo or Battlefield to come along and people will forget all about DUST. They need to do something really, really special with it to make people WANT to continue playing even after the release of other competitors' titles, because if it's just gonna be another one of those achievement or upgrade farming FPS games, it's gonna die off relatively quickly.
Multiplayer of course is the key to its gameplay, but I still feel that CCP needs to have something else besides MAG in space with mindless fragging, even if said fragging is based around team objectives. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.09.28 01:40:00 -
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I don't play FPS games (last I played was RTCW ET 1.21 in 2005). Can some one provide a ranking list of the Best FPS games so that I can compare company history, development budgets, persistent game player numbers, etc.
When you post your list stick DUST in where you think Dust will be. |
Freako X
Deviant Inc
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Posted - 2011.09.28 02:23:00 -
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I got a Wii two years ago as a gift ... never hooked it up. I am not much of a Wii, PS3, XBOX player.
However, I do need to buy a blu-ray. I think I will buy a PS3 because of DUST and it's universal acceptance for blu-ray formats and ability to have it's blu-ray upgraded. I'll even join one of my character's corporations!
I think it will be successful. |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.09.28 02:38:00 -
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Can't we all just agree that succeed or fail, having Dust around will suck for people who play the Real EVE? |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.28 04:34:00 -
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KaarBaak wrote:
If you think Dust is "just another console shooter" then you don't know much about Dust.
or eve.
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