THis isn't related EvE either so... in before lock or move to oope.
*waves*

Does CCP really expect DUST to become a success as a console shooter when player have to pay real money to get better items, is only on the Playstation 3, has fairly little market hype, and competes with the more popular Battlefield and Call of Duty series?

I can say this, they must be out of their mind if they think so. I expect DUST to only last a few months in popularity at most, then players will leave it behind to pick up the next best console shooter.

Whatever DUST will by, I'm not going to be playing or buying it since I don't have a PS3.

Does Bungie really expect Halo Combat evolved to become a success as a console shooter when player have to buy a new console to play it, is only on the X-box, has fairly little market hype, and competes with the more popular Battlefield and Call of Duty series?

I can say this, they must be out of their mind if they think so. I expect Halo Combat Evolved to only last a few months in popularity at most, then players will leave it behind to pick up the next best console shooter.

Whatever Halo Combat Evolved will by, I'm not going to be playing or buying it since I don't have a X-box.

However the OP is a couple months late to the Dust will fail party.

Pretty much... seems like another pissed xbox owner.

GǪand competes with the more popular Battlefield and Call of Duty series?

Does Bungie really expect Halo Combat evolved to become a success as a console shooter when player have to buy a new console to play it, is only on the X-box, has fairly little market hype, and competes with the more popular Battlefield and Call of Duty series?

I can say this, they must be out of their mind if they think so. I expect Halo Combat Evolved to only last a few months in popularity at most, then players will leave it behind to pick up the next best console shooter.

Whatever Halo Combat Evolved will by, I'm not going to be playing or buying it since I don't have a X-box.

Very Indeed, considering it was supposed to have been an RTS.

If you think Dust is "just another console shooter" then you don't know much about Dust.

If you think Dust is "just another console shooter" then you don't know much about Dust.

So you say you can see in the future... not.
You just trolling.

Tell that to the average console gamer:

A: There is this shooter, where you can influence a persistent world through your actions..

B: Why would I care about a persistent world when all I wanna do is shoot stuff and lvl up?!


The "dream" of DUST, CCP has, is great, unfortunately the players coming to DUST will probably have never heard of EVE, and wont really care about the "butterfly effect", the majority will leave as they came because they WILL think exactly "just another console shooter".

CCP should have made a PC version just for safety IMO. Also I dont get the arguement of broadening the customer base. I mean they are k with selling us space-barbie and astro-rectum for stupid prices but when we say we are interested in paying for the EVE-shooter they develop, no, u have to buy a toy-computer in which u are not interested in at all (aka console)...

Anybody who's not a mouthbreathing idiot can see the future when it comes to Dust. A console shooter (a market that is glutted with titles) exclusive to the console with the smallest audience is doomed to fail.

Dunno most shooter players Ive talked too are just full of giddy happiness that rivals a missile full of sunshine when I tell them that battles in dust have pernament concequences or results making every fight meaningful its like having single player outcomes on a multiplayer platter.

Well YOU know how epic its gonna be and tell that to your friends. Those who dont have an EVE buddy wont know about it-

Hell, I'm still telling ppl about EVE and they are amazed that there is such a game and they never heard about it.

Just saying, when we (EVE players) are here already and ready to pay, why exclude us and search for riches in risky markets?

The answer to that why is: GREED...

If CCP really thinks we are going to buy a console to play their game, well, they should know that I rather buy PLEX for the same money and grief DUSTies from orbit.

I've been to trailer videos and articles about DUST and every single one of them has comments broken down roughly as such:

20% "**** YOU CCP MAKE A PC/XBOX VERSION"
10% "...ya know what? I'm gonna get a PS3 just for this" (I know this is way more then I expected)
10% "...I'm a bitter vet and this is just gonna fail"
60% "WOO THIS IS AWESOME, WHEN'S IT COME OUT?!"

Yes these numbers are very rough and bit arbitrary but you get the idea.

Point is, I don't care what bitter vets say at this point about DUST anymore...

Yes. The PS3-exclusive shooters have all been such abysmal failures that they're only into their third or fourth sequel by nowGǪ

That's kind of my point. Console kiddies don't stick with one game for any length of time and developers have to keep cranking out new games to appease them. Do you really see CCP making Dust, Dust 2, and Dust 3 in a year?

That's kind of my point. Console kiddies don't stick with one game for any length of time and developers have to keep cranking out new games to appease them. Do you really see CCP making Dust, Dust 2, and Dust 3 in a year?

GǪyou mean kind of like releasing (say) a yearly content patch and game update?

Thats because those games are not made to last.

game update is not a sequel. Console games don't live on updates and DLC for very long because the audience has been trained to expect a brand new game every few months.

You unironically fly a megathron in fleets so you'll understand why I can't take your opinion seriously. v0v

I also used a tie bomber to dogfight a-wings in SWG, used a lightning tank as a paratrooper in gal infantry drops in planetside and belly flop a blackhawk onto troops in BF2 and get away with all of it. Welcome to the whaky world of Baltec, where madness isnt always all that mad.

I think if CCP do it right it will be a success. Dare you doubt my madness?

used a lightning tank as a paratrooper in gal infantry drops in planetside

The core EVE players that hit the 75k subscribers to turn a profit came from failing space MMOs at that time. It was the right product at the right time.

I come from Mankind myself, a space themed RTSMMO.

I dont see the console FPS market having any fail like that atm or near the release dates of DUST, it is coming to an already saturated market.

These are only speculations OFC none of us can see into the future.

Anybody who's not a mouthbreathing idiot can see the future when it comes to Dust. A console shooter (a market that is glutted with titles) exclusive to the console with the smallest audience is doomed to fail.

Also, console kiddies in Eve lol

If Dust 514 is all about control of planets, how will that affect PI in Eve? And subsequently all POS mods/fuel etc...

Yes. The PS3-exclusive shooters have all been such abysmal failures that they're only into their third or fourth sequel by nowGǪ

Also, console kiddies in Eve lol

A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****.

GǪmaybe because no-one has tried.

Dude. I laughed so hard I fell off my chair and broke my bum! +1

I'm also one of those people who think that after awhile they'll release a PC version.

Not every vet is bitter.

Those comments break down the EVE community responses, DUST is still an unknown for the majority of the console community. Then look at what Prince Kobol said, no idea how much is truth but one thing is for sure the market has already favourites and DUST will have to compete for publicity in the first place, before its gameplay will be tested and judged by the masses.

Nah just a pissed off PC gamer.

A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****.

In any case, the lack of self perspective in that post... blows my mind.

+1

PS. Also I had my first ship loss in Eve from Cpt Fina's Crow in Egghelende

If you think Dust is "just another console shooter" then you don't know much about Dust.

I would love to see Dust succeed, my worries are the fact that the average life cycle of most console games seems to be about 6 months of a large fan base. Then about 2 years max before the servers are empty.

I also wonder how long dust players will stick around paying RL cash for tanks and gear when us eve players will be able to nuke them from orbit, for ISK.

I can imagine the rage of these players after dropping 10$ on a platoon's worth of gear only to have one of us come along and being able to bombard them, and they lose it all.

Who know's maybe DUST will succeed, but I give it about 4 years max unless they open it to PC players before then due to the lifecycle of the consoles. We are already half way through the current console generation life cycle. They suspect to see a new XBOX by 2013 and possibly a new Playstation by 2014-15.

Riggs

A game lifespan is not bounded by the console hardware lifespan.

DUST 514 may well fail because it is just not fun and/or buggy, but not for all the idiotic reasons stated in this thread.

So unless the PS4 is 100% backwards compatible you will see a drop in players as the console life cycle moves on.

I rather think it's CCP's job to port their game to the then current version of the Unreal Engine for PS4.

And if DUST is successful on PS3, they will.

tl;dr people aren't buying games (on console/PC)

Whatever DUST will by, I'm not going to be playing or buying it since I don't have a PS3.

Ya CCP should but Sony can make it easier on all developers by developing a strong backwards compatibility in to their hardware. It makes it easier on everyone. Then when you upgrade you don't only start out with launch titles you have a entire previous generation of games that are able to bundle/promote your new console. They might not have all the flash the release titles do but it would keep the player base happier.

Counter Strike release date 1999, still servers running the game even with Counter Strike: Source being release. A stable platform that is 100% backwards compatible will keep a games life span around longer then the hardware lifespan.

game update is not a sequel. Console games don't live on updates and DLC for very long because the audience has been trained to expect a brand new game every few months. CCP expecting Dust to live alongside Eve for years is foolish.

I would love to hear from CCP exactly what kind of dependencies and connections there is between dust and eve players.. As long as there isn't any information, its easy to round those connections to "none" and declare a generic fps shooter a failure.
I wish there would be a devblog about the current situation in the development of dust. It would be a nice change to the contentless devblogs lately.



Consoles arent necessarily backwards compatible. I had the first generation ps3 that could run ps2 games, but Sony eventually removed the backwards compatibility from its latest-generation playstation 3s.

I'd have bought a copy of Dust just to see the interaction with EvE at work...if they'd released it on X-box that is. I'm not gonna buy another console to play one game.

DUST a fail project? Only time will tell, IMHO its a fail.
The idea itself is fine, but considering game market of today....its gonna be hard to get by.

How many EvE players own PS3? How many will buy PS3 just for DUST (and BR player mostly)?

Is CCP counting on big alliances to somehow motivate people to contribute to fights on planets?
Is PI still a factor in DUST and EvE, and controlling planets control PI production?
Again a good idea, but its gonna be a hassle, why go all the trouble to make and bake a loaf of bread at home and waste few hours, when you can buy one in a second? EvE has bots, bots earn money, who needs PI and your own ground army when you can buy what you want in 4-4.

Console players attention span is low. With new games on shelves almost weekly, CCP needs a goddamn good plan to keep people playing DUST.

Imagining DUST is a console MMO (MMO connected) is stupid, they cant sell that to most of EvE community, let alone console players. What happens when DUST server population drops? Servers shut down, and what about EvE? Does EvE get a emergency boost of patches to remove DUST from equation, or will EvE keep going like DUST never mattered in the first place.

Now this i am sure no one will answer , how much money did CCP spent developing DUST? How much do they expect to gain in first 6-12 months?
Now imagine all that money and man hours invested in DUST were instead put into EvE....what would be the situation in EvE today, maybe hybrids would be fixed along with a lot of balancing issues.

Yes. The PS3-exclusive shooters have all been such abysmal failures that they're only into their third or fourth sequel by nowGǪ

To say that DUST will fail without giving it a try is foolish at best. Nobody knows right now what the reaction to DUST will be when it hits shelves. To quote one of my co-workers yesterday after I explained DUST to them...

"So you are saying that there will be players in another game flying in space who will pay people in DUST to do ground combat for them? And these actions will impact the PC gamers flying in space? That's ******* awesome!"

That's the kind of reaction that gets new games attention and makes them successful. No matter what it is from...the wow factor.

Dust definitely wont fail...

I think for one it will attract a lot of ex-Eve players who quit because they just don't have 20 hours a week to devote to a game world, but they're still hopelessly addicted to to everything Eve. They need some way to make meaningful contributions to New Eden that doesn't require a part time job.

Mmm... I am playing eve just 6-7 hours a week and i am doing just fine. While being the most new player unfriendly MMO it's not the most time consuming one. I guess that kinda depends on what you do in eve, but there's definitly things you can do that arn't that time consuming. I spend my time in game bounty hunting and sometimes roaming or running missions. I do it when i want, i don't need to play x hours for it unlike other MMos.

Point being. Yes they are things in eve that are time consuming but if you don't have the timefor these, there are plenty of other activities to do in eve on a casual basis.

If you like eve so badly, just find a casual Corp, go have some fun with them in lowsec from time to time. You don't need DUST for that.

6-7 hours is a hell of a lot of time for just one game...especially when you're a gamer who plays board games, all of the consoles, and PC games...there's just only so much time to devote to any one game.

And yes, I do need Dust...because it looks to me to be an amazing addition to New Eden.

Dust 514 will be like any other page in history of console games.

Statistically, Console gamers are faster on letting games go and starting on new once.
PC gamers often are more loyal to the game as they will keep going for longer periods of times.

What will happen is that even with the new expansions people will go and say "ow yeah, i played that game" ... thats it.
We are talking about PS3 here ... compared to PC audiance the age average is significantly lower. They want fast paste action and get bored easily.

I was talking about DUST among my co-workers yesterday. Most of them had never heard of it yet all of them because of myself and a few others I work with know what EvE is. The ones that knew of DUST admitted that they would be playing it at some point at least to give it a try and see how it goes. The others after reading about it and seeing what DUST offers that is new to console FPS are now on board to try it as well.

Most FPS gamers are going to at least try to play DUST just because of the new elements such as interacting with a persistent PC MMO will bring. This is all CCP needs. People to just try it. After that the ball is back in CCP's court to make the game good enough to keep people playing. Look at MAG. Still alive and kicking. I logged in the other day to see thousands of people on and playing. Wasn't expecting that. Look at HALO. Completely unheard of game on a new console with no advertising. Blockbuster hit and many sequels made to this day.

To say that DUST will fail without giving it a try is foolish at best. Nobody knows right now what the reaction to DUST will be when it hits shelves. To quote one of my co-workers yesterday after I explained DUST to them...

"So you are saying that there will be players in another game flying in space who will pay people in DUST to do ground combat for them? And these actions will impact the PC gamers flying in space? That's ******* awesome!"

That's the kind of reaction that gets new games attention and makes them successful. No matter what it is from...the wow factor.

It's not going to hit the shelves