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TipsyMcStagger
Caldari Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.28 18:58:00 -
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So I got to poking around with the new forum deal and the first thing that struck me was the 'like' button. I have lurked around forums with features like this and CCP is heading down the hershey highway. Thats right. Forums with features like this turn into narcisistic circle-jerking yaywagons and drive level headed ppl away in revulsion at the thought of jumping in the yaypile.
This is already a natural tendancy of the internets and encouraging it and bringing it to eve is a bad idea.
This is just the tip of the iceberg of ccp's facebookish social networking-online aspirations and while its great business sense to suck ppl in and continue to further blur the lines of RL and drive to integrate a product into ppl's day-to-day RL routines I though eve was different.
It's already involving enough. Forget GBTWOW, EVE devs need to GBTFACEBOOK with their evil coniverings.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.02.28 19:25:00 -
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The "like" thing is one of the things I dislike the least about the new forums. Way to pick an inconsequential detail out of all the seriously screwed up mess that is the new forum experience. Also, this is EVE. I expect people to grant "likes" as much ironically as seriously, to the point where it will become meaningless and CCP might decide to simply remove it. Or not. Most people will probably ignore it anyway. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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Marchocias
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.02.28 19:28:00 -
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No. ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it). |
Mirabi Tiane
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Posted - 2011.02.28 19:28:00 -
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How is the behavior you describe, TipsyMcStagger, worse than the rampant trolling that already exists? _____________________________
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Cydori
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Posted - 2011.02.28 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: TipsyMcStagger So I got to poking around with the new forum deal and the first thing that struck me was the 'like' button. I have lurked around forums with features like this and CCP is heading down the hershey highway. Thats right. Forums with features like this turn into narcisistic circle-jerking yaywagons and drive level headed ppl away in revulsion at the thought of jumping in the yaypile.
As compared to what? The incredibly high standard of discussion that takes place on the current forums? Face it, the primary sport on the EVE forums is to see who can be the fastest to type a snarky reply to every single new thread, regardless of its relative merits. I really wish that wasn't the case, but it is and it's not likely to change because of a new button or two.
The new forums have some issues that need to be worked out, but the 'like' button isn't one of them.
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TipsyMcStagger
Caldari Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mirabi Tiane How is the behavior you describe, TipsyMcStagger, worse than the rampant trolling that already exists?
At least now ppl r mostly anonymous and the occasional time some narci-wallower links a photo etc. and you mouse over and instead of linking to tinypic etc its on their blog and you have a chance to move on b4 having to go shower their mental love-juice off imagine that kinda stuff which is on the periphreal being the focus, not just forums, but ingame eventually.
And I picked out the 'like' button as a 'tl;dr; one small symptom, evidence of much more to come plus I havent investigated further yet I already know what theyr up too.
Eve-facebook-online. Its coming.
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Night Epoch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:33:00 -
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An idiotic gripe and a stupid reason to boycott a forum that represents a hundred fold improvement over the 1990s rollover fossil we're typing on now.
Some people whine about the lamest crap.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 28/02/2011 20:38:06
Originally by: TipsyMcStagger ..Forums with features like this turn into narcisistic circle-jerking yaywagons and drive level headed ppl away in revulsion at the thought of jumping in the yaypile....
Whew! Thought for a second my forum whoring life would meet a major change.
So what if you get a ridiculous little ticker? Just makes identifying obvious/frequent trolls that much easier.
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Washukanni
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:43:00 -
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The new forum design looks like some sort *awesome* sci-fi for pre-teens /shudder /puke
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:44:00 -
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While I like the "like" button as a new way to grief people, I really am so passionately against CCP's spacebook crap. Seriously, if you're gonna give people a way to connect to eachother more easily in an MMO, make it not ****. Make it a tool to connect, not a crippling bleeding wound, infected and gangrenous and an evolutionary deadend. Give us an option of a full 100% opt out that you actually respect instead of resetting whenever you feel like, and divorce "friends" from "standings." Those 2 changes will make it not ****, but it still needs a metric buttload of work before it's, well, not **** that's mostly ignored.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:45:00 -
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If it's not laggy, has polls and a search option I'm already very happy.
One can dream ...............
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Selinate
Amarr Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:45:00 -
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:50:00 -
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Support the OP 100%.
New forums look like they are aimed at 12 year old 'snowflakes'.
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Shoopa Whoopa
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:50:00 -
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Why they waste their time and our money on creating their own uncompetitive forum/spacebook is anyones guess.
I suspect they don't like wheels either!
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Drakon Crex
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:51:00 -
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You dont want CCP to turn the forum into Faceforum? why? are you one of these people with only 5 friends on Facebook thats why you dont like it? Ive got like 100000 million friends and 50000 pictures taken of myself in a mirror!
Adding or removing a "Like" button will not change how people respond or act on forums. If you want people to act in a certain way, your better of writing your own "Self help...The foum experience" book.
The eve forums has a certain character about it, like most forums ive been on, and you will ALWAYS get the trolls, the flamers, the idiots......Facebook is one of, if not the most popular things to "do" online atm and i don't blame CCP for trying to incorporate a facebook type feel into the community.
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shoopa Whoopa Why they waste their time and our money on creating their own uncompetitive forum/spacebook is anyones guess.
I suspect they don't like wheels either!
Indeed. I notice the usual trolltastic nobbers have wasted no time whooring +rep ..
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:54:00 -
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A Like button is pointless without a Dislike button. CCP please add a dislike button kktnxs.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.02.28 21:02:00 -
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Whats wrong with the current forums ?
I could find 20948320892993547 more importent things for CCP to waste their developers time.
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.02.28 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shoopa Whoopa Why they waste their time and our money...
You do realize, don't you, that it's no longer YOUR money after you give it to them, right?
This is about as idiotic as telling a policeman that you pay his salary.
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Medarr
Amarr ZeroSec Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai A Like button is pointless without a Dislike button. CCP please add a dislike button kktnxs.
there is one.
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Shoopa Whoopa
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Posted - 2011.02.28 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Shoopa Whoopa on 28/02/2011 21:29:20
Originally by: Xylengra
Originally by: Shoopa Whoopa Why they waste their time and our money...
You do realize, don't you, that it's no longer YOUR money after you give it to them, right?
This is about as idiotic as telling a policeman that you pay his salary.
I'm talking to idiots most of the time; I have to use their language. Besides, it was very short and convenient to put it like that. I'm quite sure you understood what I was trying to say.. accomplished with minimal typing!
i r not returd
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NightmareX
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2011.02.28 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 28/02/2011 21:51:25 Yeah, like why do we need to have Windows 7 today when Windows 95 just works for using Microsoft Office 95 and web surfing?
I hate peoples that doesn't want changes in EVE. No changes makes EVE really boring and many will just leave because of boredom.
New good changes is always good.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.28 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai A Like button is pointless without a Dislike button. CCP please add a dislike button kktnxs.
Nah, because the two give rise to drastically different behaviour.
Dislike buttons bring out the "one-star monkeys", that vote down anyone and everyone they dislike regardless of the topic and the post. Like buttons bring out the fanclubs and alt-clouds, that stroke epeens for various reasons. Having one or the other depends entirely which party you want to see more of.
The problem is that, those two groups aside, neither button serve much purpose unless it's clear what posts they're in relation to. They become methods to vote for the person, not the idea, which is just icky in many new and interesting ways. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 28/02/2011 21:51:25 Yeah, like why do we need to have Windows 7 today when Windows 95 just works for using Microsoft Office 95 and web surfing?
I hate peoples that doesn't want changes in EVE. No changes makes EVE really boring and many will just leave because of boredom.
New good changes is always good.
Because Windows ME was better than 98SE, and Vista was better than XP, right?
Not everything new is better than what it replaces. I haven't used the new forums but the fact that they require HTTPS and don't work on the IGB for me is a step in the wrong direction.
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2011.02.28 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Palovana and don't work on the IGB for me is a step in the wrong direction.
whoever at CCP thought up that bright idea wants firing imo.
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Julien Brellier
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Posted - 2011.02.28 22:52:00 -
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+1 Rep for OP
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Cairn Bolete
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Posted - 2011.02.28 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Shoopa Whoopa Why they waste their time and our money on creating their own uncompetitive forum/spacebook is anyones guess.
It stopped being your money the moment you gave it to them, they can do whatever they want with it.
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Shoopa Whoopa
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Posted - 2011.02.28 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Shoopa Whoopa on 28/02/2011 22:56:38
Originally by: Cairn Bolete It stopped being your money the moment you gave it to them, they can do whatever they want with it.
Niggler! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1475367&page=1#21
Also, you'Re an Elder Scrolls mushroom.. I don't remember many of them. Luminous Russula?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Rogue Drone Systems
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Posted - 2011.02.28 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: TipsyMcStagger
So I got to poking around with the new forum deal and the first thing that struck me was the 'like' button. I have lurked around forums with features like this and CCP is heading down the hershey highway. Thats right. Forums with features like this turn into narcisistic circle-jerking yaywagons and drive level headed ppl away in revulsion at the thought of jumping in the yaypile.
This is already a natural tendancy of the internets and encouraging it and bringing it to eve is a bad idea.
This is just the tip of the iceberg of ccp's facebookish social networking-online aspirations and while its great business sense to suck ppl in and continue to further blur the lines of RL and drive to integrate a product into ppl's day-to-day RL routines I though eve was different.
It's already involving enough. Forget GBTWOW, EVE devs need to GBTFACEBOOK with their evil coniverings.
You, sir, are a buttscribe. You write with your butt.
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Rafael Freeman
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Posted - 2011.02.28 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T The "like" thing is one of the things I dislike the least about the new forums. Way to pick an inconsequential detail out of all the seriously screwed up mess that is the new forum experience. Also, this is EVE. I expect people to grant "likes" as much ironically as seriously, to the point where it will become meaningless and CCP might decide to simply remove it. Or not. Most people will probably ignore it anyway.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.28 23:12:00 -
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like button???!! EVEBOOK FTL STRIKE STRIKE!!! [sarcasm] ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
So what if you get a ridiculous little ticker? Just makes identifying obvious/frequent trolls that much easier.
I may be missing something, but how is the like button going to help identify trolls?
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai A Like button is pointless without a Dislike button. CCP please add a dislike button kktnxs.
Nah, because the two give rise to drastically different behaviour.
Dislike buttons bring out the "one-star monkeys", that vote down anyone and everyone they dislike regardless of the topic and the post. Like buttons bring out the fanclubs and alt-clouds, that stroke epeens for various reasons. Having one or the other depends entirely which party you want to see more of.
The problem is that, those two groups aside, neither button serve much purpose unless it's clear what posts they're in relation to. They become methods to vote for the person, not the idea, which is just icky in many new and interesting ways.
I agree that the thumbs up and a thumbs down should be applied to individual posts. Then CCP can have a link to the posts by a pilot that have recieved props and those that have been ridiculed. This will allow, say recruiters, to see what the pilot has written and others have taken a liking to or that others have chastised the pilot about. This may in turn help control some of the blatant trolling, or not.
Slade
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.28 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Dislike buttons bring out the "one-star monkeys", that vote down anyone and everyone they dislike regardless of the topic and the post.
Yah, see Battleclinic ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Mighty Dread
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.28 23:38:00 -
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Is this what they meant by "The forums are evolving"? I was hoping it meant more intelligent, thought provoking threads and less trolling and immature spamming.
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Kacer Xenro
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2011.03.01 00:10:00 -
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who use these forums for serious discussions anyway? :)
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Space Pods Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.01 00:21:00 -
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Blocking and SlashDot-style karma ftw. That would quickly relegate the *******s to invisibility. Like/Dislike is a joke.
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Ai Shun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.01 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Borun Tal Blocking and SlashDot-style karma ftw. That would quickly relegate the *******s to invisibility. Like/Dislike is a joke.
Yes, but this is CCP's Like/Dislike functionality! You should know they build better wheels than anybody
<-- dislikes new forum, but loves EVE and EVEGate. Go figure.
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Eric Xallen
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Posted - 2011.03.01 01:13:00 -
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What happened to CAOD?
Is it just hidden somewhere else now? 0.0 politics is an important forum, even if most of the posts are trash.
CCP - do you want them posting CAOD posts in GENERAL CHAT instead??
Evil must reside somewhere, right?
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.03.01 02:15:00 -
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New forums are just a massive advert for sc****heap-challenge becoming the new standard meeting place.
Will be a good thing, with CCP losing control over moderation of the discussion they might be forced to once again progress.
I wonder if the scrapheap-challenge crew will be able to handle the flood of fail coming their way though.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.03.01 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 01/03/2011 02:21:05
Originally by: Mighty Dread Is this what they meant by "The forums are evolving"? I was hoping it meant more intelligent, thought provoking threads and less trolling and immature spamming.
lol! lol lol lol!!!! this is the funniest thing Ive read all day... exactly HOW were you thinking theyd do this?
Originally by: Borun Tal Blocking and SlashDot-style karma ftw. That would quickly relegate the *******s to invisibility. Like/Dislike is a joke.
Yea... an youd have 4 ppl on the forums in 3 hours lol ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.03.01 02:46:00 -
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Man who gives a rats arse it's just a crummy forum. You type stuff, you read stuff. Don't like it do something else...
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Xurr
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Posted - 2011.03.01 03:43:00 -
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I havn't posted in a while, and i don't post often but holy **** are those new forums terrible to look at.
Tons of empty space and the font hurts by eyes.
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Selinate
Amarr Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.01 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth Man who gives a rats arse it's just a crummy forum. You type stuff, you read stuff. Don't like it do something else...
Only the people who are replying seriously to this thread care about it. The OP was a troll (and a funny one imo).
I've seen worse forums. Lol @ this thread though.
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Xercodo
Amarr Daj'Juntar
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Posted - 2011.03.01 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: TipsyMcStagger
Originally by: Mirabi Tiane How is the behavior you describe, TipsyMcStagger, worse than the rampant trolling that already exists?
At least now ppl r mostly anonymous and the occasional time some narci-wallower links a photo etc. and you mouse over and instead of linking to tinypic etc its on their blog and you have a chance to move on b4 having to go shower their mental love-juice off imagine that kinda stuff which is on the periphreal being the focus, not just forums, but ingame eventually.
And I picked out the 'like' button as a 'tl;dr; one small symptom, evidence of much more to come plus I havent investigated further yet I already know what theyr up too.
Eve-facebook-online. Its coming.
so wait, you have this crazy hair brained idea that EVE is becoming Facebook? If only we had seen this sooner...oh wait "Spacebook" came out last year...
-------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
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Hakkar'al Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.01 05:14:00 -
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Trust humans to find something to whine about ...
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2011.03.01 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Palovana I haven't used the new forums but the fact that they require HTTPS and don't work on the IGB for me is a step in the wrong direction.
How do you know that the new forums don't work in the IGB if you haven't used them? I just tested the new forums using the IGB and they work fine. What is the problem you anticipate to encounter?
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Knobfer Jones
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Posted - 2011.03.01 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Palovana I haven't used the new forums but the fact that they require HTTPS and don't work on the IGB for me is a step in the wrong direction.
How do you know that the new forums don't work in the IGB if you haven't used them? I just tested the new forums using the IGB and they work fine. What is the problem you anticipate to encounter?
Knobfer Jones likes this.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.03.01 10:44:00 -
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Haters gonna hate...like the 'unlike' button which gives me a skin rash just looking at it.
Feel itchy now ? ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.03.01 11:07:00 -
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Was really hoping for a "FLUSH" button.... <tear>
-------------------------------------------------------- This space For Rent. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.03.01 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 01/03/2011 11:10:03
Originally by: Slade Trillgon I may be missing something, but how is the like button going to help identify trolls?
Don't worry, it is so obvious that you are probably not the only one missing it.
If a person has hundreds or thousands of post to his name but only a handful of 'Likes' then the person most likely trolls on a regular basis. Simple
The one thing I really, really want is the ability to completely ignore individuals, collapse their posts into one line indicating their reply and nothing more. With SpaceBook integration it should be a simple matter of adding a forum specific standing and use the standings list to sort it.
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Machete Nostra
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Posted - 2011.03.01 11:17:00 -
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Machete say if you don't like new forum, ******e, dont use them at all.
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Jupix
Minmatar MuroBBS United
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Posted - 2011.03.01 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Borun Tal Blocking and SlashDot-style karma ftw. That would quickly relegate the *******s to invisibility. Like/Dislike is a joke.
This.
Though it must be said I foresee the "likes received" line becoming an interim solution to this via Greasemonkey scripts, until CCP implements proper rep.
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leich
Amarr bish bash bosh
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Posted - 2011.03.01 11:58:00 -
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why are contacts and standing linked anyway?
Untill CCP Fixes this connection Eve gate, New forums ect will all be a waste of space.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.01 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Corozan Aspinall Support the OP 100%.
New forums look like they are aimed at 12 year old 'snowflakes'.
We get to beta test the forums for the upcoming Twilight MMO, no doubt. Joy
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Winters Chill
Amarr Diesect
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Posted - 2011.03.01 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente Trust humans to find something to whine about ...
Yeah and don't try distance yourself, your one of us buddy.
Also a whine about whining about whining is /ironic.
Don't you think?
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Hakkar'al Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.01 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill
Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente Trust humans to find something to whine about ...
Yeah and don't try distance yourself, your one of us buddy.[/url]
An ungrateful sod whining about something as important to the game play as a new forum? Hope not.
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Centri Sixx
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Posted - 2011.03.01 12:26:00 -
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Change the like button to a "gank" button.
If 10 are reached, current ship of the poster is blown up. Instant fix to the economy and civility, all in one. Much more in the spirit of EVE.
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TipsyMcStagger
Caldari Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.01 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Centri Sixx Change the like button to a "gank" button.
If 10 are reached, current ship of the poster is blown up. Instant fix to the economy and civility, all in one. Much more in the spirit of EVE.
I have 11 alt slots
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.03.01 14:19:00 -
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The new forums are crap, and I hate them tbh - I (and I'm sure many others) am comfortable with and enjoy the ones we have at the moment. Sure, the search function is perma-borked, and a couple of other minor issues, but I really dont think that they warrant the complete overhaul that's being proposed at the moment.
The new forums look like, as someone said before, the forums for 'snowflakes' and what have you. Why do we need a like button? This isn't some sort of news aggregation or social networking site. Why do we need these things?
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Derus Grobb
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.03.01 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Night Epoch An idiotic gripe and a stupid reason to boycott a forum that represents a hundred fold improvement over the 1990s rollover fossil we're typing on now.
Some people whine about the lamest crap.
I LIKE THIS ---
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The Doh
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Posted - 2011.03.01 14:43:00 -
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I approve the new forum.
You can't despise social networks while playing in a MMO... it's nonsense.
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TokiWartooth Joringer
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Posted - 2011.03.01 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: TokiWartooth Joringer on 01/03/2011 14:49:54
Originally by: Bumblefck The new forums are crap, and I hate them tbh - I (and I'm sure many others) am comfortable with and enjoy the ones we have at the moment. Sure, the search function is perma-borked, and a couple of other minor issues, but I really dont think that they warrant the complete overhaul that's being proposed at the moment.
The new forums look like, as someone said before, the forums for 'snowflakes' and what have you. Why do we need a like button? This isn't some sort of news aggregation or social networking site. Why do we need these things?
actually it is, its just a way to force you to use their spacebook, bull****. but then again i dunno why everyone is worried, look on the brightside, spacebook is down/utterly unusable most of the the time anyway. so we will never see the new forums
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Abon
Caldari Pandorum Research Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:17:00 -
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I DON`T LIKE CHANGE!!1
on a serious note i also despise the facebookish approach. i am sick of this **** already and the so called "like-society" nowadays. Everything is just happy horsepoop lolipop land and everybody likes everything. Just try to bring serious issues to facebook and you will either get trolled to death, laughed at or completely ignored.
Personally i hoped for a more controlled forum to somewhat cut the exessive trolling going on here. While i certainly enjoy the random troll who puts a smirk on my face from time to time it can get frustrating very often when a good informative conversation is derailed and ****ed up by some bored ****head. I guess from now on it is the more you troll the more you are liked! bah.
DISLIKE.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:20:00 -
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Actually I like the slashdot system, where people are given mod points and can mark other people's posts "troll", "interesting", "funny", "insightful", etc.
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Chiana Moro
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder Actually I like the slashdot system, where people are given mod points and can mark other people's posts "troll", "interesting", "funny", "insightful", etc.
Ageed, that also remove 90% of the wine ... umm whine that splatters onto the this thread.
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Melke
Gallente Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:50:00 -
[66]
I wish there was a dislike button for the OP.
If you don't like a feature, don't use it.
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2011.03.01 16:04:00 -
[67]
I can't even get logged into the new forums to post my feedback on them. (Brilliant idea there CCP :) )
I go to the link, click the LOG ON bright orange button up top-right, login to test evegate, click forums, get the orange LOG ON button again. Click it, already logged in to eve-gate, click forums, orange LOG ON button again.... lather, rinse, repeat...
I sure hope they implement them exactly that way too - it'll keep me off the forums and I'll get more done at work :)
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.03.01 16:12:00 -
[68]
I dont dislike the new forums, there is still alot of work needed, but they arent too bad.
My big issue is simply the arse about way you have to go to get to the forums, and thats via Eve Gate. I dont know about anyone else, but I have a habit of visiting the forums quite a few times during the day, why? because its easy, you click a link and can read whats going on, etc, with Eve Gate as the go between, it slows that whole process.
Personally I can see myself switching to reading more of third party forums once the new Eve forums become the thing.
I dunno, I guess they just lack that 'Open Community' feel, and it just becomes a 'Closed Community'.
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4C 4F 5645
Rogue Drone Systems
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Posted - 2011.03.01 16:20:00 -
[69]
They're just forums you rusty bastards. WAH WAH CHANGE IN MY EVE
They have a post new thread button and a reply button that's about all you should care about.
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Josefius
Gallente JOKAS Industries Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.01 16:26:00 -
[70]
I noticed you can't display your race under your name anymore in the new forums, further evidence of the homogenization of EVE?
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.01 16:46:00 -
[71]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Palovana I haven't used the new forums but the fact that they require HTTPS and don't work on the IGB for me is a step in the wrong direction.
How do you know that the new forums don't work in the IGB if you haven't used them? I just tested the new forums using the IGB and they work fine. What is the problem you anticipate to encounter?
It's a wine issue, HTTPS pages (any that I have tried) give errors when using wine. I have some posts in the Linux forum about it also.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.03.01 16:47:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Night Epoch An idiotic gripe and a stupid reason to boycott a forum that represents a hundred fold improvement over the 1990s rollover fossil we're typing on now.
Some people whine about the lamest crap.
I'd love you to tell us how it's a hundred fold improvement.
So far we have lag, ganks, width issues, tiny text, no animated smilies, bold text not much different to normal, awful pirate smiley, lack of formatting options.... I could go on.
Yes I know it's a test forum, but some simple problems just make the whole thing look like a joke.
And yes, I dislike the like button. It feels like hello kitty online.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Josefius
Gallente JOKAS Industries Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.01 16:55:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Mag's
And yes, I dislike the like button. It feels like hello kitty online.
Yeah, reminds me a lot of the Aion forums.
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2011.03.01 17:13:00 -
[74]
Portraits are too large, most avatars look better from farther away.
The spread out appearance becomes tedious to deal with, kinda like reading a book with large print.
No matter what I say will change anything, so meh...
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.01 17:14:00 -
[75]
Dear God is there anything you people wont ****ing complain about?
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.03.01 17:34:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Palovana
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Palovana I haven't used the new forums but the fact that they require HTTPS and don't work on the IGB for me is a step in the wrong direction.
How do you know that the new forums don't work in the IGB if you haven't used them? I just tested the new forums using the IGB and they work fine. What is the problem you anticipate to encounter?
It's a wine issue, HTTPS pages (any that I have tried) give errors when using wine. I have some posts in the Linux forum about it also.
Slow down here, buddy! CCP Explorer is the software director. How would he know about the issues some users experience when using a completely exotic operating system?
That's clearly something no one could anticipate, not to mention test before making a public announcement.
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Riedle
Minmatar Paradox Collective Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.03.01 17:38:00 -
[77]
new forums cause people to complain?
Seriously?
o.0
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Josefius
Gallente JOKAS Industries Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.01 17:40:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Josefius on 01/03/2011 17:40:01
Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: Palovana
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Palovana I haven't used the new forums but the fact that they require HTTPS and don't work on the IGB for me is a step in the wrong direction.
How do you know that the new forums don't work in the IGB if you haven't used them? I just tested the new forums using the IGB and they work fine. What is the problem you anticipate to encounter?
It's a wine issue, HTTPS pages (any that I have tried) give errors when using wine. I have some posts in the Linux forum about it also.
Slow down here, buddy! CCP Explorer is the software director. How would he know about the issues some users experience when using a completely exotic operating system?
That's clearly something no one could anticipate, not to mention test before making a public announcement.
I'm sure it works fine in Linux, however he was talking about running a browser in an emulation of Windows (WINE). Also, some people play EVE via WINE.
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.01 18:13:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Josefius Edited by: Josefius on 01/03/2011 17:40:01
I'm sure it works fine in Linux, however he was talking about running a browser in an emulation of Windows (WINE). Also, some people play EVE via WINE.
Correct. I might not have been specific enough previously.
Only the IGB when running it under Wine gives the error with HTTPS pages not rendering (unable to process the site's SSL certificate error). Firefox and Chrome under Linux work just fine.
I'm assuming it's an issue in how Wine handles Awesomium.dll. I don't believe the issue is related to the new EVE forum code as HTTPS in general does not work in the IGB under wine.
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Forumena Altair
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Posted - 2011.03.01 18:18:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Sader Rykane Dear God is there anything you people wont ****ing complain about?
In a word, No.
For a game as complex as ours I can't understand where all the idiots come from.
Being a dev for an MMO has got to be the most thankless job on the planet. |
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Rhes
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.01 18:31:00 -
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If I posted like the OP I'd be afraid of the 'like' button too.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.01 18:47:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 01/03/2011 18:47:41
Originally by: TipsyMcStagger
So I got to poking around with the new forum deal and the first thing that struck me was the 'like' button. I have lurked around forums with features like this and CCP is heading down the hershey highway. Thats right. Forums with features like this turn into narcisistic circle-jerking yaywagons and drive level headed ppl away in revulsion at the thought of jumping in the yaypile.
This is already a natural tendancy of the internets and encouraging it and bringing it to eve is a bad idea.
This is just the tip of the iceberg of ccp's facebookish social networking-online aspirations and while its great business sense to suck ppl in and continue to further blur the lines of RL and drive to integrate a product into ppl's day-to-day RL routines I though eve was different.
It's already involving enough. Forget GBTWOW, EVE devs need to GBTFACEBOOK with their evil coniverings.
Are you kidding me, thats the icing on the cake? When jagoff metagamers post their theorycrafted ships, a million people "like" them, and then noobs running the build die sooner than later, its a win/win situation for everyone involved.
Then they can get *MORE* likes when they tell the guy why *HE* was the problem and not the build.
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.01 21:58:00 -
[83]
Originally by: War Kitten I can't even get logged into the new forums to post my feedback on them. (Brilliant idea there CCP :) )
I go to the link, click the LOG ON bright orange button up top-right, login to test evegate, click forums, get the orange LOG ON button again. Click it, already logged in to eve-gate, click forums, orange LOG ON button again.... lather, rinse, repeat...
I sure hope they implement them exactly that way too - it'll keep me off the forums and I'll get more done at work :)
You need to pick a character that you want to post with. When you get to your character selection screen click on the character you would like to use. At that point you can post on the forums.
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Ai Shun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.01 22:07:00 -
[84]
Originally by: CCP Adida You need to pick a character that you want to post with. When you get to your character selection screen click on the character you would like to use. At that point you can post on the forums.
Before which date must your character have been created to be able to log-in?
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.03.01 22:08:00 -
[85]
everything seems pretty cool, just remove the "like" button crap would make it lots better
it should be a messageboard not some facebook wannabe social experiment crap
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Shapeshifting Shaman
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Posted - 2011.03.01 22:41:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Sader Rykane Dear God is there anything you people wont ****ing complain about?
No.It's what we do best.
But, complaining won't stop the new forums from coming.
So instead of just *****ing about it, people should get their butts over there, play with it a bit, and post something constructive about how to make them better.
There's a giant summary list of things that Estel Arador has kindly been managing. Hopefully CCP is going to take the suggestions under consideration because many of them would be a huge boon to the new forums.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.01 22:45:00 -
[87]
Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: War Kitten I can't even get logged into the new forums to post my feedback on them. (Brilliant idea there CCP :) )
I go to the link, click the LOG ON bright orange button up top-right, login to test evegate, click forums, get the orange LOG ON button again. Click it, already logged in to eve-gate, click forums, orange LOG ON button again.... lather, rinse, repeat...
I sure hope they implement them exactly that way too - it'll keep me off the forums and I'll get more done at work :)
You need to pick a character that you want to post with. When you get to your character selection screen click on the character you would like to use. At that point you can post on the forums.
Unintuitive design at it's best. Another example that CCP doesn't use their own product. Another example for why spacebook in all it's facets is fail and needs to be redesigned based on player needs, not on dev resume padding.
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CCP Elais
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Posted - 2011.03.01 23:08:00 -
[88]
Now this is what I call feedback!
The Dev team, devoted to bringing you the new EVE forums on EVE gate, will take your opinions to heart and are taking quite a few into consideration for further development. Several issues are already being worked on and others have been identified for further development, released in the more frequent fashion that you have been accustomed to.
Rest assured, these forums would be nothing without you.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.03.01 23:17:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 01/03/2011 23:24:18
Originally by: CCP Elais Now this is what I call feedback!
The Dev team, devoted to bringing you the new EVE forums on EVE gate, will take your opinions to heart and are taking quite a few into consideration for further development. Several issues are already being worked on and others have been identified for further development, released in the more frequent fashion that you have been accustomed to.
Rest assured, these forums would be nothing without you.
* jumps and waves at Elais * Don't forget to ask them about polls!
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Camios
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.01 23:54:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Camios on 01/03/2011 23:54:45 What I like of the new forums:
- They look cooler that the current ones, but don't know actually why. It's just a feeling.
What I don't like of the new forums: readability, and presentation of content. I'll be more specific:
- Too much empty spaces = wasted space
- I can visualize less posts and less text on my screen, but..
- ... the fonts are smaller!
- It looks like the focus is more about our new avatars, and how they look cool, and less about what we write.
Suggestions:
- Make the font bigger, or reduce the vertical space for every post, or reduce the waste of screen space;
- I would like a lateral vertical bar to switch forum easily;
[*]The dev posts could be evidenced a bit more. They are far less visible than in the current forum, even if the new dev post search is a wonderful tool.
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Kireiina
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Posted - 2011.03.02 01:08:00 -
[91]
I only read the Eve forums if I'm really bored so I could care less. The best information is elsewhere. Meanhile i'll just assume any developer posts are about space-barbie, space-facebook and other rubbish that has no game relevance or gameplay value.
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Nyla Skin
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Posted - 2011.03.02 07:09:00 -
[92]
I agree with the OT.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.02 07:56:00 -
[93]
Bad:
* Large avatars and small font: lot of waste space, hard to read on some screen * Log in - chose character clicking on him: counter intuitive, it work better in the current forum where you select the character in the setting * Setting not working: please fix that * anthracite grey and anthracite grey and anthracite grey plus cited text on slightly different anthracite grey: if avatar become smaller it will be hard to recognize the posts at a glance. Current forum manage that better. * I did like the current expanded portrait when you check the posting history of someone, on the test forum they don't expand.
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Airu Naari
The Noxious
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Posted - 2011.03.02 08:12:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Airu Naari on 02/03/2011 08:13:32 All the bad things on the new forums can be fixed. A forum that is separated from this 10 year old layout is good. A forum that is linked with the game itself more is a plus.
Don't say NO, rather state your suggestion on how to improve it. I would really like a fluid layout with bigger font, less table-ish elements, but good color scheme. This one is not too shabby, but a bit too neutral.
Increase the readability factor and make the search function really valuable. The advanced search is - NOT so advanced, but better than the search on this soon to be legacy forum.
Overall, I like it. 6.8/10. :D But it needs improvements!
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Mrs Snowman
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Posted - 2011.03.02 11:35:00 -
[95]
Originally by: CCP Elais Now this is what I call feedback!
The Dev team, devoted to bringing you the new EVE forums on EVE gate, will take your opinions to heart and are taking quite a few into consideration for further development. Several issues are already being worked on and others have been identified for further development, released in the more frequent fashion that you have been accustomed to.
Rest assured, these forums would be nothing without you.
So your basically gona give in to a few whiny baby social networking haters?
Y'know there was a time when I said I'd never join facebook too, I resisted the way the world was changing, social networking bolox, but I caved in the end.. and now I'm in regular contact with family and friends and love interacting with peoples status, sometimes I dont want to say 'i like this status' Its easy just to 'like it'
'liking' is a modern day expression in this fast paced world where time becomes more and more precious as everything competes for our time. Dont give in to those old fussy bastards who just hate anything thats new and modern.
CCP make an admirable effort to keep fresh, push ahead and keep up with the modern day social patterns. Dont stop now because of crusty old, live-in-past, resist change, minority who rant (in the wrong place I might add) with no good reason other than to influence a resist in change.
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Fulmar Muse
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.03.02 12:37:00 -
[96]
wat forums?
"Keep on doin what you doin, do it gud.. huuh!"
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TokiWartooth Joringer
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Posted - 2011.03.02 13:38:00 -
[97]
I dont have a problem with the forums, i have a problem being forced to use, some hyberbole POS spacebook, that offers me nothing in terms of gameplay enhancement. See i play bugs and features online, not bugs and features offline...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.02 13:41:00 -
[98]
Originally by: TokiWartooth Joringer I dont have a problem with the forums, i have a problem being forced to use, some hyberbole POS spacebook, that offers me nothing in terms of gameplay enhancement. See i play bugs and features online, not bugs and features offline...
Good think they're not forcing you to do that, thenà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
TokiWartooth Joringer
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Posted - 2011.03.02 13:47:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: TokiWartooth Joringer I dont have a problem with the forums, i have a problem being forced to use, some hyberbole POS spacebook, that offers me nothing in terms of gameplay enhancement. See i play bugs and features online, not bugs and features offline...
Good think they're not forcing you to do that, thenà
Originally by: CCP Elais
The Dev team, devoted to bringing you the new EVE forums on EVE gate
oh really, hmm, maybe i was mistaken.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.03.02 13:56:00 -
[100]
This game has forums?
Oh, wait...
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Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.02 15:44:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Neamus This game has forums?
Oh, wait...
These forums are part of a game??? I thought I was paying 15$ to post! ------
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:16:00 -
[102]
Originally by: CCP Elais Now this is what I call feedback!
The Dev team, devoted to bringing you the new EVE forums on EVE gate, will take your opinions to heart and are taking quite a few into consideration for further development. Several issues are already being worked on and others have been identified for further development, released in the more frequent fashion that you have been accustomed to.
Rest assured, these forums would be nothing without you.
I like the forums. Except for all the empty space on each side of the forum windows! I would love you all though if you could make the forum fit for screens like 1900x1200!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Abon
Caldari Pandorum Research Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.02 18:31:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Mrs Snowman
So your basically gona give in to a few whiny baby social networking haters?
Y'know there was a time when I said I'd never join facebook too, I resisted the way the world was changing, social networking bolox, but I caved in the end.. and now I'm in regular contact with family and friends and love interacting with peoples status, sometimes I dont want to say 'i like this status' Its easy just to 'like it'
'liking' is a modern day expression in this fast paced world where time becomes more and more precious as everything competes for our time. Dont give in to those old fussy bastards who just hate anything thats new and modern.
CCP make an admirable effort to keep fresh, push ahead and keep up with the modern day social patterns. Dont stop now because of crusty old, live-in-past, resist change, minority who rant (in the wrong place I might add) with no good reason other than to influence a resist in change.
WOW way to miss the point! First of all nobody here is against improvements and new technology. With the high amount of IT people playing EVE it is quite the contrary i would say but we already have facebook so nobody here is interested in another clone of it. If you want to "like" **** go there and "like" it. What this forum needs is a slashdot style rating system to control the rampant trolling. A stupid like button is not going to help in that case.
From a technical and sociological point of view facebook COMPLETELY lacks the necessary tools to be a "social network". This was proven many many times already even by university professors and other highly educated internet analysts across the globe. (Not gonna google it for you.)
You talk about fast paced times? Do you even realize that it is useless stuff like facebook that eats up your time? Facebook is THE biggest productivity killer world wide and is highly intrusive, people get sucked into it no matter the cost with massive email spam and whatnot. I take care of multiple small to mid sized companies in terms of IT and Server Services and they ALWAYS ask me to completely block facebook out of their networks. Ever wondered why? I know multiple facebook "dropouts" and all of them are feeling much much better without it and oh wonder they even have the feeling that they have more time for important stuff!
Oh and did you ever had the joy of taking a close look at the facebook APIs? I guess not because those provide access to private data for third parties in amounts you cannot even begin to imagine. You would never pack all your private data in a folder and hand it over to some stranger on the street, yet you do it daily on facebook! Have the facebook app on your smartphone? Cool all(!!!) of your phone contacts just got transfered to facebook WITHOUT ASKING YOU! Fact is that it is a money printing machine above everything else. We are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars and those guys don`t give a damn about user concerns, privacy issues or delivering a "social" user experience. A single user datasheet is worth about hundred dollars at the moment on the market so they suck up as much as they can, i leave the math to you! Sorry to burst your bubble!
Next time please do some diving into the matter before rambling about old crusty people who in fact want an adult environment where some sort of debate is possible without the lolipop crap you call "modern day expression". Also if you want to be "social", go out and meet people or if that is not possible call them, it is much much more social than updating your status with the consistency of your latest poop.
Anyways i applaud CCP on their approach, it just needs better and more effective tools than currently implemented. And by the way your avatar reeks of anime fanboyism, please stop spamming your facebook status with ascii bunnies thx!
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Ai Shun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.02 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs Snowman So your basically gona give in to a few whiny baby social networking haters?
Nothing to do with Social Networking. (Although that is crap :P) It is poorly designed and performs badly.
Pingdom full page load test (Sample)
The "Copy this link" code doesn't do proper URL escaping so .... Copy/paste the URLs into the site once it loads and do your own test.
My results?
The total loading time for the front page of the current General Discussion on the live forums is 1.3 seconds with 44 objects on it. I suspect for people with less Latency this will be faster.
The total loading time of the front page of the new General Discussion on the test forums is 14.9 seconds with 93 objects on it.
Is this REALLY an improvement?
I'd like a RSS link and a working Search function. If you really need to waggle your little ePeen with a Like function, sure. Go ahead. Let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
But beyond that?
I can't imagine what it will be like once there is actually a decent volume of data and the same volume of concurrent users on the new test forums. Imagine what that 14.9 seconds will look like then when it is already SEVEN times slower than the current forum.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.03.02 23:04:00 -
[105]
Originally by: TokiWartooth Joringer
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: TokiWartooth Joringer I dont have a problem with the forums, i have a problem being forced to use, some hyberbole POS spacebook, that offers me nothing in terms of gameplay enhancement. See i play bugs and features online, not bugs and features offline...
Good think they're not forcing you to do that, thenà
Originally by: CCP Elais
The Dev team, devoted to bringing you the new EVE forums on EVE gate
oh really, hmm, maybe i was mistaken.
I wasn't aware that you would be unable to simply bookmark the forum main page if you prefer. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2011.03.02 23:44:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Palovana
Originally by: Josefius I'm sure it works fine in Linux, however he was talking about running a browser in an emulation of Windows (WINE). Also, some people play EVE via WINE.
Correct. I might not have been specific enough previously.
Only the IGB when running it under Wine gives the error with HTTPS pages not rendering (unable to process the site's SSL certificate error). Firefox and Chrome under Linux work just fine.
I'm assuming it's an issue in how Wine handles Awesomium.dll. I don't believe the issue is related to the new EVE forum code as HTTPS in general does not work in the IGB under wine.
Do you know if there is a bug report in the Wine project for this issue?
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.02 23:50:00 -
[107]
Originally by: TokiWartooth Joringer oh really, hmm, maybe i was mistaken.
Yes, they're forcing you to log in to the forums if you want to post. How horrid.
What is it they're forcing you to use, again? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Internet White Knight
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Posted - 2011.03.03 00:05:00 -
[108]
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.03 00:07:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: TokiWartooth Joringer oh really, hmm, maybe i was mistaken.
Yes, they're forcing you to log in to the forums if you want to post. How horrid.
What is it they're forcing you to use, again?
Since there is no way to 100% opt out of spacebook short of biomassing your character and quitting EVE, yes you are forced to take part in it no matter how badly you want not to. If you choose to use the new forums, they force you to use spacebook even more, as it logs you in. Stop being obtuse, I know you're smarter than that.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.03 00:28:00 -
[110]
Originally by: mkmin Since there is no way to 100% opt out of spacebook short of biomassing your character and quitting EVE, yes you are forced to take part in it no matter how badly you want not to.
By that logic, these forums also force you to use EVE Gateà
àso what's the difference?
Quote: they force you to use spacebook even more, as it logs you in
Yes. You must log in to use the forums. How is that any different from what we have now?
How does logging in force you to use EVE mail? How does logging in force you to use the calender? How does logging in force you to use contacts? How does logging in force you to use status updates? How does logging in force you to use EVE voice? How does logging in force you to use the char sheet?
But ok, let's use that logic and follow it to its conclusionà
Why do I have to use the forums to look at the calendar? Why do I have to use EVE voice to check my contacts? Why do I have to use status updates to check my mail? [etc for every combination]
àoh wait, I'm not forced to use any of those to do any of those things, am I? Aw shucks. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.03 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: mkmin Since there is no way to 100% opt out of spacebook short of biomassing your character and quitting EVE, yes you are forced to take part in it no matter how badly you want not to.
By that logic, these forums also force you to use EVE Gateà
àso what's the difference?
Quote:
The current forums can't be used for easy intel. The current forums might be archaic, but they don't try to provide some fantastic service and then use it to grip your balls and twist.
Quote: they force you to use spacebook even more, as it logs you in
Yes. You must log in to use the forums. How is that any different from what we have now?
How does logging in force you to use EVE mail? How does logging in force you to use the calender? How does logging in force you to use contacts? How does logging in force you to use status updates? How does logging in force you to use EVE voice? How does logging in force you to use the char sheet?
àoh wait, I'm not forced to use any of those to do any of those things, am I? Aw shucks.
oh wait, the address is testforums.EVEGATE.com. and it shares all the same faulty assumptions about how the target market might use it as spacebook. But you are still arguing for the sake of arguing. The forums do not improve nor make worse the pile of crap that evegate is. I don't trust evegate even a little bit, to the extent that I now am running under a policy to NEVER set anyone to +10 standings. CCP's track record with evegate is godawful, has not improved, and is surprisingly unremarked by the general playerbase, and associating the forums with it is spreading that stink around. I'm just waiting for someone to find those exploits and account hacks that I'm 100% confident someone will find sooner rather than later.
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TipsyMcStagger
Caldari Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.03 02:37:00 -
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How bout CCP use all their time and energy doing something REALLY cool.
I want to be able to mod, tweak, and soup up my spaceship Gran-Turismo style. Thats a natural progression that shoulda came along years ago, if anything is dinosaur it's not the forums its the spaceships were forced to predictably cookiecut fit
They have all the depth and complexity of a 90's nintendo game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.03 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 03/03/2011 02:40:35
Originally by: mkmin [oh wait, the address is testforums.EVEGATE.com.
So?
The question is still the same, and no-one can apparently answer it: are you required to use "spacebook" to use the forums or can you justà you knowà use the forums?
Quote: But you are still arguing for the sake of arguing.
No, I'm questioning this nonsense about how they're "forcing us to use spacebook" to use the forums, when we can, in fact, just use the forums.
àoops. I guess that answered it.
I'm also implicitly questioning this notion that there is such a thing as "spacebook" to begin with. What is it, and what on earth does it have to do with the forums? Why and how are we forced to use it when we can just go to the forums? In short: what's all the noise about? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Kyra Felann
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.03.03 05:00:00 -
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So you don't like the vastly improved new forums because of a little tiny "like" button and a little tiny number on each post? Really?
This goes to show that people will complain about absolutely anything. CCP could give every player $100 and people would still find some way to complain. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW-----
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.03.03 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 03/03/2011 05:14:52
Originally by: mkmin it shares all the same faulty assumptions about how the target market might use it as spacebook.
Just funny isn't it? Basically it comes down to some team-leader being a very good talker, and being completely full-of-****.
Originally by: mkmin I don't trust evegate even a little bit, to the extent that I now am running under a policy to NEVER set anyone to +10 standings.
Good policy, no character except for an alt should ever be set to 10+ with the current evegate-as-an-intel-tool setup.
Funny how CCP don't think local should be an intel tool but consider evegate to be just fine as such.
Originally by: mkmin CCP's track record with evegate is godawful, has not improved, and is surprisingly unremarked by the general playerbase, and associating the forums with it is spreading that stink around.
They really need to clear house, get rid of the sociopath bull**** that is guiding them down this load of garbage path.
Originally by: mkmin I'm just waiting for someone to find those exploits and account hacks that I'm 100% confident someone will find sooner rather than later.
Too late.
Each time CCP release real player data into alpha versions of these sites with no privacy protection or obfuscation, they are instantly spidered and stored.
As for hacking, from what I've seen the sites haven't been properly tested for XSS holes and the like. Some forms are missing security tokens etc.
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.03.03 10:21:00 -
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As long as you don't have up/down votes where to many downvotes lead to lock or hide a thread it's ok.
I just imagin such a function :D. AAA downvote every NC post, NC downvote every PL post, PL downvote every AAA post and so on ... Hell, this forums would be sooooo perma closed *g*. |
mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.03 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Jackson As long as you don't have up/down votes where to many downvotes lead to lock or hide a thread it's ok.
I just imagin such a function :D. AAA downvote every NC post, NC downvote every PL post, PL downvote every AAA post and so on ... Hell, this forums would be sooooo perma closed *g*.
Actually, I'm not sure I see a problem with that... either they learn to put aside annoying politics on the forums, or they all go away. Sounds like a better world to me.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.03.03 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
So you don't like the vastly improved new forums because of a little tiny "like" button and a little tiny number on each post? Really?
No. I don't like it, because it's not a vastly improved new forum.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.03.03 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Josefius Edited by: Josefius on 01/03/2011 17:40:01
Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: Palovana It's a wine issue, HTTPS pages (any that I have tried) give errors when using wine. I have some posts in the Linux forum about it also.
Slow down here, buddy! CCP Explorer is the software director. How would he know about the issues some users experience when using a completely exotic operating system?
That's clearly something no one could anticipate, not to mention test before making a public announcement.
I'm sure it works fine in Linux, however he was talking about running a browser in an emulation of Windows (WINE). Also, some people play EVE via WINE.
Hmmm, strange.
I thought he said the IGB in Wine does not work properly with https. Last time I checked the IGB runs inside the EVE client and Wine runs on Linux. Which means... O-M-G... it means he's playing EVE on Linux using Wine and his IGB is not working fine with https. Must be why he posted about it in the Linux forum (of EVE)!!
Well, I'm glad you are sure it's working fine on Linux, tho. That's so reassuring...
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Harbingour
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Posted - 2011.03.03 19:44:00 -
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I noticed alot of lag time with the new forum when I checked it out. I like the looks & feel of this one too better but then again maybe I'm old fashed in saying don't fix something if it aint broke else you'll well a too fat Windows (M$) product that is buggyier then an Amish Pennsylvainian farm town with lotts of horse crud collecting on the side of the road.... just my 0.02 ISH
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Ai Shun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.03 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Harbingour I noticed alot of lag time with the new forum when I checked it out.
Run an actual speed test on it. My tests showed an average of 6 to 7 times slower for the new forum to load GD with fewer users and fewer topics.
Certainly not an improvement.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.03 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Harbingour I noticed alot of lag time with the new forum when I checked it out.
Part of that is due to it running on test hardware, part of it is due to vast increase in javascripts running on the page, feeding all the bling. As always, adding large parts of the google js code repository to your browser blacklist speeds things up quite nicely (and generally improves the forums by getting rid of pointless graphical annoyances). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Ai Shun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.03 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Part of that is due to it running on test hardware ... <snip>
Do you know what the difference is in hardware between test and live? (Devblog?)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.03 20:34:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Ai Shun
Originally by: Tippia Part of that is due to it running on test hardware ... <snip>
Do you know what the difference is in hardware between test and live? (Devblog?)
Not really, but considering that they're pulling the character data from the sisi database, and considering how much slower sisi is than the live environmentà
àit probably explains some part of the speed loss. I suspect that all the scripts is a bigger culprit for the felt slowness though, as opposed to the actual page processing. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Ira Theos
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Posted - 2011.03.03 20:35:00 -
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OK... Since we are expressing forum demands... I demand a button that will spray in red paint over the OP thread...
"This post is ridiculous, stupid, and smells of Elderberry wine!!"
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Heriux
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.03.03 21:02:00 -
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I feel this image captures the spirit on how people will react once the new forum is launched. Just replace facebook with spacebook:
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Ai Shun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.03 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Heriux I feel this image captures the spirit on how people will react once the new forum is launched.
:sighs: Why am I not surprised that someone who cannot comprehend basic forum rules would be one to post something that so blatantly dismisses the real concerns over the new forums. Must have something to do with thought processes and objective analysis.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.03 22:18:00 -
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My worst "fear" is that they will not be as fast as the current ones, maybe it's test maybe not, but they were very slow.
Good thing I have the fallback on EVE-Search for the wicked old design
/c
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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Heriux
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.03.03 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ai Shun :sighs: Why am I not surprised that someone who cannot comprehend basic forum rules would be one to post something that so blatantly dismisses the real concerns over the new forums. Must have something to do with thought processes and objective analysis.
Because I hang to much on other forums where posting pictures directly into the posts are allowed and I forgot about that on these forums. Or I'm just stupid as heck and shouldn't be within 10 yards of a computer.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.03.04 02:35:00 -
[130]
Finished..... Testing...... BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Here comes the pain.
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Soma Khan
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.04 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Elais Now this is what I call feedback!
The Dev team, devoted to bringing you the new EVE forums on EVE gate, will take your opinions to heart and are taking quite a few into consideration for further development. Several issues are already being worked on and others have been identified for further development, released in the more frequent fashion that you have been accustomed to.
Rest assured, these forums would be nothing without you.
so, the love butons are gone? good to hear __
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Internet White Knight
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Posted - 2011.03.06 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: CCP Elais Now this is what I call feedback!
The Dev team, devoted to bringing you the new EVE forums on EVE gate, will take your opinions to heart and are taking quite a few into consideration for further development. Several issues are already being worked on and others have been identified for further development, released in the more frequent fashion that you have been accustomed to.
Rest assured, these forums would be nothing without you.
so, the love butons are gone? good to hear
Hahaha you must be new here. Let me fix Elais' post to clarify for you.
Originally by: CCP Elais Now this is what I call feedback!
The Dev team, devoted to bringing you the new EVE forums on EVE gate, will take your opinions to the recycle bin and are taking quite a few into meetings to point and laugh at. Several trivial issues are already being worked on and the major ones are being tarpitted, released in the SoonÖ fashion that you have been accustomed to.
Rest assured, these forums would be nothing without you.
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