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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.21 18:10:00 -
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Lowsec is fine, just add more FW systems to lowsec and you'll have plenty of pew-pew, hell make all of lowsec FW systems.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.21 18:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Ingvar Angst
All you need to do to get more people into low-sec is push Concord's influence in there right down to > 0.0 space.
Add Concord, add people. Simple fact. Of course, this doesn't make the super-leet ninjamachopirates of low-sec happy, but they'll have more targets.
That would make it hisec. 
Maybe people like you who don't live in losec but still find they totally need to change it are the real problem? Losec is fine I would know I've lived there for years.
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Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.21 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Xuthi
Edited by: Xuthi on 20/03/2011 16:46:51
Fixing the probing system might help get people into low sec doing missions etc.
As it stands at the moment it is way to easy/ quick to probe down people and is much to skewed in the pirates favor.
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I'm sure CCP could make some small changes that would up the survival rate of pve players in low sec, i think the feeling of always losing unfair fights is keep players ways from low sec just as much as the fear of losing onces ship
Theres plenty of things you can do yourself to up your survival rate. I dont mean this to sound bad to you or w/e but as an example, I found you in your mission 2 days ago and i travelled 60km across your mission in an AB frig fitted with a scram. you did not even attempt to warp off in that time. If your going to do mission in low sec then paying attention is one thing you can do which would boost your survival rate massively. Again, that wasnt ment as a dig at you or anything along those lines, I was merely pointing out that there are quite a number of things that you as a player can do to maximise your survival in low sec, that does not require CCP to make changes. That aside, I do think it is too easy for pirates to gank pvers in low sec, and I think specifically the probing system needs to be looked at like I mentioned earlier.
I saw you on scan even before you used the gate to get to the last pocket, i just did not care it i lost the myrmidon. I had reached the point where scanning down sites, just have be forced out be pvp players was so annoying i did'nt give a **** if i lost the ship or not.
I kinda like the extra danger of doing exploration in low sec, but when it comes to profit it's not very desirable. The window of opportunity when doing exploration is not big, which leaves you with two options spend time looking for empty systems or spend time running from pirates. After some time i reach the point where it just feels like wasting time, and i should go back to hi-sec and make some isk.
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Grohalmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:01:00 -
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I think lowsec is pretty much fine. I get plenty of fights every day. Furthermore,there are lots of people that embrace the risk/reward aspect, so contrary to popular belief there are still plenty of targets. Some even have teeth.
As for a fix, I'd love it if all 0.0 entry points were linked to lowsec.*
As a more extreme change, but in the same vein, all regions should be linked by lowsec. This would open new career opportunities and provide more "real" piracy.*
Make booster production a lowsec venture only.*
Also, making it all FW isn't a terrible idea.
*obviously, these ideas are old and rehashed, much like this thread |
StillBorn CrackBaby
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hide Yokids
Oh I get it, you would grief the so called carebears by warping to them during a mission and popping/ransoming/stealing loot from them! This sounds like so much fun!
Not. I don't want to have to bring an entire fleet with me just so I can do some level 4s. And that would render my Paladin pretty much useless, since I wouldn't risk losing something so expensive to some random douchebag.
BUT GUIS! TEARZ R SO FNNY!
Yeah these lo-sec whiners are a bunch of jerks. As long as THEY are having fun why should anyone else???
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Omni Industrial Coalition
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Myra2007
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
All you need to do to get more people into low-sec is push Concord's influence in there right down to > 0.0 space.
Add Concord, add people. Simple fact. Of course, this doesn't make the super-leet ninjamachopirates of low-sec happy, but they'll have more targets.
That would make it hisec.
Maybe people like you who don't live in losec but still find they totally need to change it are the real problem? Losec is fine I would know I've lived there for years.
I never said it was a good idea, but you have to admit, it would get more people in there.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst
I never said it was a good idea, but you have to admit, it would get more people in there.
Well on that we can agree. 
I'm merely saying that people who don't enjoy the lowsec playstyle (probably for completely valid reasons) should consider that there are huge other areas of eve that they can play with. I for one don't like the 0.0 style life and the answer for me is to stay out of 0.0. I don't try to change 0.0 to suit my needs but rather acknowledge that other players enjoy that playstyle and probably for good reasons too. The funny thing is in lowsec I never meet people who want to change it(small tweaks aside). It seems like a forum only problem to me tbh.
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Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Vantoth
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Vantoth on 21/03/2011 19:48:36
Originally by: Ariz Black
nullsec is higher risk, it should carry higher reward.
Null sec is higher risk, It's higher risk because of the Players, not the NPC's. I do believe it has higher rewards in the form of bigger rat bounties not to mention access to better ores.
Originally by: Ariz Black
where is the justification for hisec earnings being on par with nullsec earnings?
As some folks have said, if you are making less in LO sec than you do in hi sec you are doing something very wrong.
Originally by: Ariz Black
in ccp's profit margins? well **** them.
Of course CCP should never make a profit, how dare they. I mean really how dare they make money from our fun. They should make the game exactly how we want it even if it costs them thousands of subscriptions and even the ability to pay their employees.
Face it, you are scared to go into Null sec so want the folks who have little in the way of PVP experience to be forced to come where you can kill with impunity to stroke your e-vaj.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:57:00 -
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/signed.
Also: Allow interdiction spheres and warp bubbles in low sec.
That's all it would take to fix low sec.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gogela
/signed.
Also: Allow interdiction spheres and warp bubbles in low sec.
That's all it would take to fix low sec.
Yeah, that's all it would take to "permanently fix lowsec".
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Akhmed TDT
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:17:00 -
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Yes, lowsec sucks. But without a few changes, it'll never happen.
As the other thousand threads on this topic have stated repeatedly, the hunters know exactly what you're in and what damage type you're equipped to deal and tank just based on the local missions as well as having the aggro of the entire pocket doing more damage than you are. Honestly, killmails that include NPC damage to the victim aren't impressive in the least to anyone but the victor. It's the same as the griefers in other MMOs that camp hard mission spots because they know the victims will have a ton of NPC aggro on them helping.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ariz Black
Remove level 4 agents from highsec. Levels 4 and 5 should be only 0.4 and down.
Oh look, suddenly lots of people have a reason to leave carebearland.
Yes, they leave carebearland... AND EVE.
You can NOT force people to play the game the way you want them to. you can take away thier ability to play the game they want, in which case they just stop playing.
Okay, maybe only half quit EVE. The other half either switch to L3s or do high sec exploration or maybe switch to mining... Meanwhile, the total amount of ISK entering the game crashes and prices take another huge drop.
If the WAY higher pay available for L5 missions over L4 doesn't pull people to low sec, why would the difference between L3 and L4 be enough?
How does it do you any good to have people quit playing EVE?
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Holdout
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:44:00 -
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PvP'ers who want more PvE'ers to come to lowsec in their mission ships. Hmm...this sounds like...carebears?
PvE mission: Maximize your ship's ability to destroy the enemy, whose weaknesses you already know. Near zero chance of dying.
PvP against a PvE ship: Maximize your ship's ability to destroy the enemy, whose weaknesses you already know. Near zero chance of dying.
Sound about right?
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:46:00 -
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I was listening to the radio a while back and the host was going off about all the empty handicapped spots at the local Buy and Large store. If those 10 spots were not handicapped, then he'd have been able to park right in front instead of 100 yards (or 100 meters if you aren't a 'Merican) away.
Idiot! The person that parked in the first spot next to the handicapped spot would have just parked one spot closer, and the next, and the next. 10 empty handicapped spots elimintated, and 10 rows in the parking lot... everyone moves up an average of 1 spot. Instead of 30 cars between where you parked and the front door, there would be 29 cars.
"They, they need to change the law to allow few handicapped spots so that the store will make those non-Handicapped, then I can park there instead of having to walk so far." == "Move all L4s to losec and then everyone running L4s will be in low sec where I can getz me some lolz griefing them."
Wrong. People running L4s have NO interest in going to losec for you to grief them. IF you put all L4s in losec, then people running L4s stop running L4s.
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Orakkus
Minmatar
m3 Corp
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Orakkus on 21/03/2011 20:47:49
Edited by: Orakkus on 21/03/2011 20:47:21
Hmm.. another low-sec thread. Well, if you are serious about working on low-sec, right now I have two threads working (one from the PVP side, one from the industrial side) that have been active for about a week. You can read through the responses as well as submit plans according to some guidelines that were set out.
For PVP Players (Warfare & Tactics Section):
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1479725&page=6
For Industrialists (Science & Industry Section):
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1480327&page=2
This is what you might term a grass-roots initative, and right now the CSM campaigning seems to be about 0.0. Personally, I think its low-sec that needs the review. I think it can be better, I think it actually could be more fun than 0.0. Still, it is better if those who interact with it.. and, in this case, those that don't should start working towards a goal that improves low-sec in such a way that keeps the risk and challenge there, but makes it more inviting to a wider variety of players.
We've drawn a deadline of the end of the month for ideas/plans to be entered. That way we can have time to review the plans, to weight the benefits and their faults. Eventually, we'll take this to the Assembly Hall and to the CSMs.. and keep it there until CCP responds. Right now, the discussion of low-sec issues is a thousand seperate voices all asking for something different. It is time to bring those voices together.
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reddot23
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:57:00 -
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i will help you out on this pve more of us then you so and the new players that have come to game the way they see it no game out side of high sec its just not part of the game some place you play on diff server think of it like that nothing you can do .we that dont play in null are low we just say no to it if you move any part of high sec we are the players that buy time cards from game so we will have isk then . its just about not playing with you sucks dont it
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Violine Ming
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2011.03.21 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
I kinda like the extra danger of doing exploration in low sec, but when it comes to profit it's not very desirable. The window of opportunity when doing exploration is not big, which leaves you with two options spend time looking for empty systems or spend time running from pirates. After some time i reach the point where it just feels like wasting time, and i should go back to hi-sec and make some isk.
^^ This. And where exactly are the "wasteland" empty losec systems? Where I attempt exploration, it is too busy to do exploration. I spend 5x the time at safe spots than I do in the complexes.
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Holdout
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Posted - 2011.03.21 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Holdout on 21/03/2011 21:22:21
Originally by: reddot23
i will help you out on this pve more of us then you so and the new players that have come to game the way they see it no game out side of high sec its just not part of the game some place you play on diff server think of it like that nothing you can do .we that dont play in null are low we just say no to it if you move any part of high sec we are the players that buy time cards from game so we will have isk then . its just about not playing with you sucks dont it
107 words
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100% awesome.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.03.21 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Violine Ming
I spend 5x the time at safe spots than I do in the complexes.
Well, there's your problem. How are the pirates suppsoed to get their lolz from griefing you if you won't play along????
Don't you realize that the only reason your character exists is so that some 14 year-old can blow up your ships???
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.21 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Violine Ming
Originally by: dexington
I kinda like the extra danger of doing exploration in low sec, but when it comes to profit it's not very desirable. The window of opportunity when doing exploration is not big, which leaves you with two options spend time looking for empty systems or spend time running from pirates. After some time i reach the point where it just feels like wasting time, and i should go back to hi-sec and make some isk.
^^ This. And where exactly are the "wasteland" empty losec systems? Where I attempt exploration, it is too busy to do exploration. I spend 5x the time at safe spots than I do in the complexes.
You can autopilot from Jita to the EVE gate setting AP to all lowsec systems and not encounter anyone for the majority of the trip during peak hours on a Sunday.
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Obyrith
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Posted - 2011.03.21 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Obyrith on 21/03/2011 21:47:46
Originally by: dexington
I kinda like the extra danger of doing exploration in low sec, but when it comes to profit it's not very desirable. The window of opportunity when doing exploration is not big, which leaves you with two options spend time looking for empty systems or spend time running from pirates. After some time i reach the point where it just feels like wasting time, and i should go back to hi-sec and make some isk.
Go to Derelik, it's statistically the least populated highsec region IIRC and the lowsec areas are far from busy. Originally by: Grohalmatar
Also, making it all FW isn't a terrible idea.
Do you realise how many jumps I already have to travel to do FW missions? 
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Baell Zan
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Posted - 2011.03.21 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Baell Zan on 21/03/2011 22:36:51
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Violine Ming
I spend 5x the time at safe spots than I do in the complexes.
Well, there's your problem. How are the pirates suppsoed to get their lolz from griefing you if you won't play along????
Don't you realize that the only reason your character exists is so that some 14 year-old can blow up your ships???
In any space universe not Eve, thousands of years in the future...
Capitan Capsuler: God, this is the ninth rep trying to break the encryption on this stupid piece of rubble...
Peon 1 Crew member: Yes sir, it sure can test your patience...
Warning Klaxon: Brawaaaaa, Brawaaaa, Brawaaaa!!!!
Capitan Capsuler: Kill that fracking alarm!
Peon 1 Crew member: Yes sir! (smacks the Klaxon override)
Capitan Capsuler: Status report Peon!
Peon 1 Crew member: Something just came up on long range scanners (Dscan) headed our way.
Capitan Capsuler: Something? What the hell is a something? I don't want to hear about "something", tell me what it is!
Peon 1 Crew member: Not sure sir, refining the solution.... wait... God, it's pouring on speed... definitely looks hostile.
Capitan Capsuler: ****, align to Saratoga station and go for hard burn...
Peon 1 Crew member: They are locking sir...
Capitan Capsuler: Activate force fields (armor hardners) and fire off a jammer. (ECM drone)
Peon 1 Crew member: Incoming missles... radiation sensors are off the chart... looks like nukes! Jammer's running sir...
Capitan Capsuler: Damnit, why haven't we warped yet?
Peon 1 Crew member: Still aligning...
BOOM!!!! (missile impact, ship shudders under the impact)
Peon 1 Crew member: Sheilds gone, armor at 90 percent!
Capitan Capsuler: Active nanite repair bots...
BOOM!!!! (missile impact, ship shudders again)
Peon 1 Crew member: Sir... already running. Armor integrity 82 percent and climbing...
Capitan Capsuler: Align faster damnit! Another five seconds and he'll scramble the drive...
Peon 1 Crew member: (Clicks "dock" again, just to be sure) FTL spinning up sir. Two seconds... one...
BOOM!!!! (missile impact, ship trembles in tortured agony, console explodes in a shower of glass and sparks rendering Peon 1's face a chest into a bloody soup.)
Capitan Capsuler: (scrambles towards the backup controls and palm-smacks the warp button...)
What actually happens? Too close to call and I'm not tellin...
To be continued...
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Baell Zan
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Posted - 2011.03.21 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Violine Ming
I spend 5x the time at safe spots than I do in the complexes.
Well, there's your problem. How are the pirates suppsoed to get their lolz from griefing you if you won't play along????
Don't you realize that the only reason your character exists is so that some 14 year-old can blow up your ships???
Continued from previous post...
Eve (scenario 1)
Capitan Capsuler: God, this is the ninth rep trying to break the encryption on this stupid piece of rubble...
Peon 1 Crew member: (mumbles somthing unintellible about his Captain's intelligence as he presses the hacking module's button again. His mind wanders, wishing he was in Aruba with some hot chicks...)
Wheep, Wheep, Wheep...
Capitan Capsuler: What's that noise Peon?
Peon 1 Crew member: Oh, not much. Looks like a local piwat just locked us up...
Capitan Capsuler: Wern't you cycling the local scanner (Dscan) for incoming? Goddamnit this is the second time this week!
Peon 1 Crew member: Give me a fracking break "sir"! I've got carpal-tunnel from smashing that damn scanner button!
Capitan Capsuler: ****, align to a station and go for hard burn...
Peon 1 Crew member: Too late, we're scammed...
Capitan Capsuler: Activate force fields (hardners) and fire off a jammer. (ECM drone)
Peon 1 Crew member: You forget, were in an exploration ship, not a battlecruiser... sir... (rolls his eyes, thinking what a dumbass his captain is.)
Peon 1 Crew member: Incoming missles... (yawns as he reclines in his chair, waiting for the inevitable).
Capitan Capsuler: Damnit, lock him up and return fire!!!
Peon 1 Crew member: With what? A salvager?
BOOM!!!! (missile impact, ship shudders under the impact)
Peon 1 Crew member: Sheilds gone, armor gone... were in structure...
Capitan Capsuler: Active nanite repair bots...
Peon 1 Crew member: Don't have any of those eith...
BOOM!!!! (missile impact, ship trembles in tortured agony, ship explodes in a glorious shower of radiation and debris.)
Capitan Capsuler: (warps away in his capsule, down another ship to the local pirates.)
The static of the local coms channel is broken by a man's voice, strangly adolecent and girlish in nature, laughing hysterically.
Piwat: You're so lame! All your ships are belong to me!!! Muhahahahahah!!!! Lrn2PeeevVeeePeee!
What happens in lowsec if you're not constantly smashing the ******ed "Scan" button.
Eve (scenario 2)
Capitan Capsuler: God, this is the ninth rep trying to break the encryption on this stupid piece of rubble...
Peon 1 Crew member: (mumbles somthing unintellible as he grips his aching wrist and initializes the millionth scan of the local system. His mind wanders, wishing he had a hack-saw to saw off his throbbing arm...)
Peon 1 Crew member: (Glances at the scan results. Starts to yawn and stops himself.) Looks like something on scan... again...
Capitan Capsuler: (Yawns.) Disengage and back away from the rubble and activate the cloaking device.
Peon 1 Crew member: No problem sir. (sighs in relief, thankful he gets to click on something other than "scan")
Capitan Capsuler: I've got to take a leak, call me when he's off the grid.
Peon 1 Crew member: (shoves his acking hand into a bucket of ice.) Yes sir...
What happens in lowsec if you're "doing it right."
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.03.21 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Baell Zan
Eve (scenario 1)
Interesting story.... but here is the real scenario....
Pirate gate camp on high sec gate: "Dang I wish some fool carebear newb would jump through so we can kill him".
Meanwhile, high sec carebear running his 4th L4 Angels Extravaganza of the day to get the ISK to buy another 1.5 billion ISK BPO because you need over a dozen of those to be able to manufacture a freighter: "Look at the ISK roll in.... If CCP got rid of this, I'd just quit this game since I have no desire what-so-ever to go to low sec and get killed by pirates."
It is really 2 different games in one. Some like to PVP, and some like to PVE. You can not force the PVE'ers to PVP, so you PVP'ers need to just find a way to enjoy PVPing against the people that want to PVP and quit dreaming how many lolz they'd have if they could just force the PVE'ers to come be targets.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.03.22 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ariz Black
Remove level 4 agents from highsec. Levels 4 and 5 should be only 0.4 and down.
Oh look, suddenly lots of people have a reason to leave carebearland.
Firstly you seem to assume that there are no people running missions in lowsec when in reality there are, secondly you assume that lowsec needs fixing when in reality its fine.
Thirdly I suspect this a poorly attempted troll.
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Sisohiv
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.22 00:10:00 -
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Low sec has level 4 missions with rewards higher than the ones in High sec.
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Baell Zan
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Posted - 2011.03.22 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Baell Zan on 22/03/2011 00:12:32
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Baell Zan
Eve (scenario 1)
Interesting story.... but here is the real scenario....
Pirate gate camp on high sec gate: "Dang I wish some fool carebear newb would jump through so we can kill him".
Meanwhile, high sec carebear running his 4th L4 Angels Extravaganza of the day to get the ISK to buy another 1.5 billion ISK BPO because you need over a dozen of those to be able to manufacture a freighter: "Look at the ISK roll in.... If CCP got rid of this, I'd just quit this game since I have no desire what-so-ever to go to low sec and get killed by pirates."
It is really 2 different games in one. Some like to PVP, and some like to PVE. You can not force the PVE'ers to PVP, so you PVP'ers need to just find a way to enjoy PVPing against the people that want to PVP and quit dreaming how many lolz they'd have if they could just force the PVE'ers to come be targets.
I guess my point is that I like to do both. I make ISK off of PVE to finance my PVP (different toon). I wish I could combine them. I don't even mind being hunted in losec, what I do hate are the lame mechanics in the game like a "manual" scanner (how freaking lame is that?) or the PVE vs. PVP ship fits. I should be able to do PVE with a PVP-like fit so I at least stand a chance when that suppa-leet-12-year-old pirate-wanna-be jumps into my exploration site. I DON'T WANT to run or "cloak up". I'd like to fight, but I'd also like a snow-balls chance in hell of winning. IMO, he's the carebear. Can't say I blame him though, with the mechanics the way they are, he is rewarded for being one, and so am I for employing the only mechanic where I can win... hiding with my super cloak.
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dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.22 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Obyrith
]Go to Derelik, it's statistically the least populated highsec region IIRC and the lowsec areas are far from busy.
They don't have to be busy to be hard to use for exploration, and all it takes is one pirate who keeps scanning you down when you find a site. Of course you can bookmark the site wait a while and come back, but so can he. You can also hope he decided to clear out the site, and you can warp to another system.
If he decides to just follow you around, it does not matter if you are the only two people in all of the region, he is practically going to keep you completing any sites. At that point you might as well just jump to hi-sec and explore sites there.
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Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.22 01:08:00 -
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I'll admit, after the first 2 pages of this thread it actually got interesting for a bit.
Like in all the other threads about this, I see lots of either selfish or poorly thought-out ideas. But there have actually been a few that I think were on the right track. Here's my contribution...
Players do missions in PvE fits, because as others pointed out they're what work best in missions. If PvP fits worked in missions, everyone would just use those. Truth is they may work, but they're the inferior tool for the job. So, why is it that when a pirate shows up in a PvP ship, it's game over for the missioner?
Simply, it's because the missioner is tanking the room (barely in L5s) and so the PvPer is completely safe from the NPCs. It's a silly situation if you think about it, because the missioner is the one in a ship fitted for the situation, and it's the PvPer that should be in over his head. Problem is, the NPCs don't switch targets.
Change that, and the pirate gets ****d by NPCs within 20 seconds of warping into the mission, with the missioner laughing his head off and thanking the loser for having given a brief reprieve to recharge cap. Suddenly, a mission pocket full of NPCs is the safest place for a PvE ship to be.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.03.22 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Skank on 22/03/2011 01:48:50
You all suck at making friends.
Go make a small coalition of small corps then farm the hell out of level 4 and 5 missions and laugh at the kind of ISK high sec carebears make grinding them in high sec.
And yes this does happen and yes they use shiny ships so they make a lot more loyalty points than carebears do, level 4s bring in 25% or so more and a single lvl 5 (which are soloable btw) can bring in 80,000 loyalty points in less than 10 minutes.
What you really thought macro mission runners where crashing the LP markets? 
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