Originally by: Lady Skank

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Edited by: Lady Skank on 22/03/2011 01:48:50
You all suck at making friends.

Go make a small coalition of small corps then farm the hell out of level 4 and 5 missions and laugh at the kind of ISK high sec carebears make grinding them in high sec.

And yes this does happen and yes they use shiny ships so they make a lot more loyalty nullpoints than carebears do, level 4s bring in 25% or so more and a single lvl 5 (which are soloable btw) can bring in 80,000 loyalty points in less than 10 minutes

What you really thought macro mission runners where crashing the LP markets?

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Originally by: Lady Skank

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Go make a small coalition of small corps then farm the hell out of level 4 and 5 missions and laugh at the kind of ISK high sec carebears make grinding them in high sec.

And yes this does happen and yes they use shiny ships so they make a lot more loyalty points than carebears do, level 4s bring in 25% or so more and a single lvl 5 (which are soloable btw) can bring in 80,000 loyalty points in less than 10 minutes.

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Originally by: dexington

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Edited by: dexington on 22/03/2011 03:46:41

Originally by: Lady Skank

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Go make a small coalition of small corps then farm the hell out of level 4 and 5 missions and laugh at the kind of ISK high sec carebears make grinding them in high sec.

And yes this does happen and yes they use shiny ships so they make a lot more loyalty points than carebears do, level 4s bring in 25% or so more and a single lvl 5 (which are soloable btw) can bring in 80,000 loyalty points in less than 10 minutes.

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Two people are not going to blitz level 4 missions much faster then one person can, except from the longer "full clear" mission, even with 25% extra LP the profit is pretty much gone with two players sharing the LP.

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Originally by: Lady Skank

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You still don't get it do you? stop thinking with your high sec care bears brain and understand that the point of banding together isn't to run the missions any faster but to lock down the local area and when threats/targets come around the pirates take of their mission running hats and put on their pvp hats, they run missions individually but as soon as someone comes scanning/dropping probes or they see a juicy target travelling through the PVE ships get docked up and gangs are quickly formed.

So while scrubs in high sec get their crappy payouts the ebil pirates are making much more isk and get to gank stuff to.

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Originally by: dexington

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Originally by: Lady Skank

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You still don't get it do you? stop thinking with your high sec care bears brain and understand that the point of banding together isn't to run the missions any faster but to lock down the local area and when threats/targets come around the pirates take of their mission running hats and put on their pvp hats, they run missions individually but as soon as someone comes scanning/dropping probes or they see a juicy target travelling through the PVE ships get docked up and gangs are quickly formed.

So while scrubs in high sec get their crappy payouts the ebil pirates are making much more isk and get to gank stuff to.

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Don't L4 missions in low sec work just like in hi sec, where you can't be sure to get the mission in the same system as the agent. If so the group would be spread out over multiple systems, and most likely you would not be able to just switch between pvp and pve ships.

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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau

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******ed idea

Plenty of reasons to leave hisec already, people are just too stupid to figure it out.

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Originally by: Lady Skank

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You doubt because of your fear, your fear of lowsec makes you create excuse after excuse why its not possible when regions like Solitude and Aridia are packed full of mission runners making far more ISK than anyone doing any PVE activity in empire can dream of (yes even incursions cant compete)

I know because of experience and the fact that I farm the **** out of it myself.

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Originally by: dexington

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Originally by: Lady Skank

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You doubt because of your fear, your fear of lowsec makes you create excuse after excuse why its not possible when regions like Solitude and Aridia are packed full of mission runners making far more ISK than anyone doing any PVE activity in empire can dream of (yes even incursions cant compete)

I know because of experience and the fact that I farm the **** out of it myself.

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I don't fear low sec, i just don't believe your plan is as solid in reality as it is on paper. Defending against pirates is decreasing the time spend doing missions, if you are doing it for profit you can't afford to lose many missions pr hour.

Personally i find that missions and pvp is hard to combine with my play style, i tab out of game a lot when doing missions and i chat with friends etc. I don't even mainly do missions, i much more into exploration. I've tried some low sec exploration, but i've never been able to make a larger profit then in hi sec, so it's mostly something i just for fun in low sec.

Low sec is good if you can combine pve and pve with the way you play eve, or just is the kind of person that needs to get the highest possible isk/h rate while running missions. If you take pve a little more casual, then low sec don't have a lot to offer. The extra risk involved in being in low sec can be fun from time to time, but it's not the same as being willing to spend every living second there.

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Originally by: Ariz Black

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Remove level 4 agents from highsec. Levels 4 and 5 should be only 0.4 and down.
Oh look, suddenly lots of people have a reason to leave carebearland.

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Originally by: Baell Zan

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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau

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******ed idea

Plenty of reasons to leave hisec already, people are just too stupid to figure it out.

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I'll bite. Enlighten us. While I do not like the idea either, I'd be much more interested in a reply that attempts to discuss\inform.

I've found two through brute force curiosity, both of which are marginal.

1) Exploration: as stated before, you spend entirely too much time pressing "Scan" and\or holed up in a safe with your "supa-cloak" running to be either fun or profitable. This is marginally better on weeknights vs. the weekend. I'd say on weeknights I spend 50% of my time holed up vs. 70% on the weekends. I could double (or more) my ISK just doing lvl4s in hisec. Now as someone else pointed out, there are less populated losec systems that may improve this equation and I intend to seek them out, though I have my doubts as using the map statistics, my losec area IS depopulated. It only takes a single player to force a safe.

2) Plexes: pretty much the same as above. My PVE fit ship doesn't stand a chance against intruders even discounting the fact that I'm tanking the NPCs.

Again, just to be clear... I'm not talking about PvP. I have to do something to pay for my PvP.

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Originally by: Ariz Black

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Make low sec missions unscannable.
Oh look, suddenly lots of people have a reason to leave carebearland.

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Originally by: Josefius

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Edited by: Josefius on 23/03/2011 13:31:26

I have an idea to fix lowsec, make it so people with high standings don't take a hit from killing low standings people in lowsec and even highsec even. Or if that's a problem, make a system that could tie in with the bounty system like with Faction Warfare, like maybe a Concord militia, you would have to have +5.0 standings. That would get a lot more people to roam lowsec.

Because as it is, anti-pirates will eventually have as bad standings as the criminals. The system is broken.

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Originally by: Diesel47

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Nerf Hi-sec so that you can only run level 1 and 2 missions and buy stuff.

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Originally by: Karl Planck

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Originally by: Josefius

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Edited by: Josefius on 23/03/2011 13:31:26

I have an idea to fix lowsec, make it so people with high standings don't take a hit from killing low standings people in lowsec and even highsec even. Or if that's a problem, make a system that could tie in with the bounty system like with Faction Warfare, like maybe a Concord militia, you would have to have +5.0 standings. That would get a lot more people to roam lowsec.

Because as it is, anti-pirates will eventually have as bad standings as the criminals. The system is broken.

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An more detailed idea of this sort has already been proposed (long ago). Look up the Corruption idea

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Originally by: Esan Vartesa

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I'll admit, after the first 2 pages of this thread it actually got interesting for a bit.

Like in all the other threads about this, I see lots of either selfish or poorly thought-out ideas. But there have actually been a few that I think were on the right track. Here's my contribution...

Players do missions in PvE fits, because as others pointed out they're what work best in missions. If PvP fits worked in missions, everyone would just use those. Truth is they may work, but they're the inferior tool for the job. So, why is it that when a pirate shows up in a PvP ship, it's game over for the missioner?

Simply, it's because the missioner is tanking the room (barely in L5s) and so the PvPer is completely safe from the NPCs. It's a silly situation if you think about it, because the missioner is the one in a ship fitted for the situation, and it's the PvPer that should be in over his head. Problem is, the NPCs don't switch targets.

Change that, and the pirate gets ****d by NPCs within 20 seconds of warping into the mission, with the missioner laughing his head off and thanking the loser for having given a brief reprieve to recharge cap. Suddenly, a mission pocket full of NPCs is the safest place for a PvE ship to be.

THAT's how you make L5s in low sec interesting again.

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Originally by: Lady Skank

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Also they are not defending against pirates they are the pirates, how else do you think those flashy reds get those cap fleets and can throw billions of ISK at pimped out pirate BS and Super carriers?

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Originally by: Mighty Dread

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CCP has over the years made low sec as tempting (in regards to possible rewards) as possible to high sec huggers. Though a few (mostly inexperienced) players get sucked in (like a Venus Flytrap) to low sec for a shot at these rewards for the most part the only thing that changes is the pocketbooks of the pirates who roam low sec. The risk is too great for those who currently reside strictly in high sec. No intelligent person is going to low sec purely to be cannon fodder for others. With HICs, fast locking gate camps, fast locking station camps, scan probes...Well the deck is stacked in the pirates favor.

Low Sec needs to be balanced in regards to it's lawful/unlawful nature. In the end both sides will get more of what they want. Unless the pirates just want to shoot each other in low sec, which is fine by me.

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Originally by: Mighty Dread

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Low Sec needs to be balanced in regards to it's lawful/unlawful nature. In the end both sides will get more of what they want. Unless the pirates just want to shoot each other in low sec, which is fine by me.

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Originally by: Mensche

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Maybe level 5 missions should be revamped to reflect lowsec instead of just throwing more npcs into level 4 to make them harder. Instead of getting a fleet to come out to faces tens of battleships, change them so that the npc fly pvp ships and have really good AI, then you'll have to meet them in pvp ships. Then if pirates show up to gank your mission ship, you're already ready to meet them. If you also change it so that if you're in the mission room and not in the fleet of the owning player, there's no sec hit. Then we'll see pirate hunters diliberately baiting in pirates into missions :)

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