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Hathrul
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:09:00 -
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Im not really sure if the GM is abusing his power. nothing you said actually proofs anything. however
i do find it funny that a GM gets a petition for spamming and actually doesnt reply with "lol, use block button". Not because spamming is good, or justified or anything, but simply by gaging someone for spamming i now expect GM's in at least the 4 major trade hubs gaging the people spamming there. Or is spamming allowed in some systems but not others? Does someone have to petition it to make it an offense? i can see how you cant gag every spammer in eve, but some systems are just filled with them. everyone just blocks them and forgets about those, but if that is the answer in jita, again there is no reason to gag someone anywhere else for spamming.
afaik the EULA doesnt say anything about spamming. im sure it mentions something about causing lag, and i suppose spamming can. it also mentions stuff about hurting other people, verbal abuse etc, im sure. but if the OP was only warning ppl noone gets hurt, and 1 person causing lag? in a good convo i type a lot faster then 1 msg every 30 seconds, and yes, i do enjoy chatting in local sometimes. does that make me a spammmer
either be consistant and gag spammers, ie: place a few gm's in every hub that do nothing but, or tell people to use the block button, thats what its for.
and even if someone caused lag.....just convo, show your shiny GM batch and tell him to STFU. straight gag? GM must have had a bad day
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Bloodpetal
The Black Company TBC
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:16:00 -
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Clearly abuse of power.
A) Why was no warning given? You don't give punitive measures without warning - "Don't do this again".
B) The context of the message is absolutely valid, in this case a local intel warning - perfectly legitimate use of Local Channel.
C) If the pilot was private convo-ing each person that came in, the net result would be the same - if not better results.
This definitely has to be petitioned on your end in game and an inquiry done on why the results were given by another GM than that which responded to the call. This is very shady, and I recommend you look into it further. You won't get any official notification from CCP on the matter, but at least you'll know that you had it investigated. ____________________________________________________
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Jak'rat
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bloodpetal Clearly abuse of power.
A) Why was no warning given? You don't give punitive measures without warning - "Don't do this again".
B) The context of the message is absolutely valid, in this case a local intel warning - perfectly legitimate use of Local Channel.
C) If the pilot was private convo-ing each person that came in, the net result would be the same - if not better results.
This definitely has to be petitioned on your end in game and an inquiry done on why the results were given by another GM than that which responded to the call. This is very shady, and I recommend you look into it further. You won't get any official notification from CCP on the matter, but at least you'll know that you had it investigated.
Assuming the OP is telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in the first place; has represented all sides of the story in full and equal measure; and is not embellishing or escalating the details each time he responds. Oh wait...
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Ezekeil Rage
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekeil Rage on 06/04/2011 17:39:24
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Challenge for you - write the rule. Write it, post it here, and I will show you ways it can be manipulated to the advantage of those seeking to break it. Who then have written evidence they're 'right' or 'misinformed.' There's a reason why GM's correspondence is banned and this is it.
Not my game, so I won't try to write it's rules. I do have a reasonable expectation to know what the rules are so that I can abide by them. If the writer of the rules finds them to be easily manipulated in ways that do not meet their desired affect, change the rules, and inform the player base.
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher She did not, however, operate in opposition using ANY gameplay mechanic available. She simply spammed it up to stop others playing the game. Miners have many ways of doing the above safely within the game, using chat to manipulate to their advantage is not one of them.
Communication isn't a gameplay element? Fleets should stop using chat then to coordinate targets, and woe-be-unto any who use third-party voice comms. That thar be cheating. Scammers everywhere are also going to be sorely depressed to know that manipulation via chat to their advantage is not something they can do within the game. Unless you mean it's okay for one group to use it to their advantage but not another?
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher I've bolded the part that is just your personal opinion and should have zero bearing on any decision.
Out of context example: 'Market PVP'
Case a: 2 players are in a buy / sell war over Hurricanes in Amarr. Both use all the gameplay elements to their advantage, both player skill and market skills.
Case b: 2 players are in a buy / sell war over Hurricanes in Amarr. One player uses gameplay elements to their advantage. The other player spams local with stories of projectile nerfs and "OMG THE PRICE IS ALREADY FALLING SELL FAST!" every 20-30 seconds to try to influence the price.
One is clearly intended by CCP, the other not.
Where do you draw your "clearly" reasoning from? As far as I'm concerned, using submissive tactics to undermine a competitor is completely within the rights of the player-base. And again, chat isn't a gameplay element in a social game?
By your own stated reasoning, the other players can research the situation themselves and make decisions on their own. You use the argument that players are only allowed to use specific tools to prove something or inform themselves, but then not use available tools to disprove something as well. You can't have it both ways and expect to be taken seriously.
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Zangorus
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:41:00 -
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Unban him ffs
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Lucas Quaan
Rens 911 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Ezekeil Rage 2) By that logic, any hindrance to the way another person plays the game is disallowed. Miner's may no longer have fear of operating in null sec space, as pirates are no longer allowed to stop them from playing the game. The pirates in this case had the freedom to do whatever they wanted still, OP just operated in opposition - which is both desirable and encouraged.
She did not, however, operate in opposition using ANY gameplay mechanic available. She simply spammed it up to stop others playing the game. Miners have many ways of doing the above safely within the game, using chat to manipulate to their advantage is not one of them.
Again your logic is showing considerable flaws, to the point where one must question your motives, assuming no actual fault of reason.
At no point does alerting the public to a potentially dangerous situation impair the pirates ability to inflict violence on the boats that ignore said warning. In fact, doing so is clearly within the game, as evidenced by the fact that local chat is indeed part of the game client.
I bolded the part that is just a ridiculous fallacy and should have zero bearing on any decision.
A better analogy would be me creating courier contracts in order to free karttoon. One is clearly intended, the other not.
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Brynhilda
Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:01:00 -
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Since you're gagged, you could always go with Plan B which would consist of anchoring a container by the gate with a warning.
Problem is that it won't work very well but its at least something.
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Wolf Kruol
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:05:00 -
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I'm curious, where does one go when a GM abuses there power? Who disciplines them?
Or do we just send an email to customer support and hope they will answer back?
The only contact is via email to [email protected]. Would it even work? Any takers on this?
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Xenuria
Gallente Dziga royal industries Astronautic Enterprises of Tomorrow
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mynx La'Rue Edited by: Mynx La''Rue on 06/04/2011 07:39:11 Hey guys,
the reason i post it in this forum is simply because i didnt find a better one - and it seems to be fitting because it touches the areas of surely crime and also pvp. The reason i post it at all is that i would be interested in your opinion about the actions of the GM (reasonable or wrong) and maybe even an official statement cause my first ticket was shot down by the GM concerning this, the 2nd is unanswered.
As a "disclaimer" maybe first a general word to the topic i wanted to open. Pirate (or all for this matter) gatecamps are not only competely ok in my eye, but also part of what makes the game great - freedom. That is not the point. The point is GMs influencing inGame events by abusing their power. Please read on.
What happened ?
The well known Amamake / Osoggur gate (spelling?) was camped on the LowSec side by pirate (as usual) which managed to get a nice whooping 99% of the ships flying through and about 90% of all pods - amazing how many ppl still dont know how to avoid getting podded in lowSec. The setups was as usual, a Smartbombing BS to kil pods and light ships warping to the gate from one side, T3s, BCs, Cynabals and other stuff sensor boosting to get ppl warping in from empire.
As i said above, gatecamps are a part of the game and ppl who fly in this area really should know about this by now. PPL still flying in without either asking before jumping, taking the other way around of flying to the gate directly on 0 .. well ... NEARLY deserve to die. But watching in a cloaky 20 ppl dying with pods in under 10 minutes made me decide to help the helpless and annoy the pirates for i also at the point simply had the time to do it (on a sidenote, many ppl tried to battle the pirates especially on that gate to drive them off but having neutral alts on all gates and warping on safespots when the local count goes up but 1.2 made this nearly impossible).
So i went with the alt of a friend and my char on both sides, and when a new player jumnped into system i informed him that the gate was camped by smartbombing pirates.
Some ppl headed the warning, others (amazingly) still jumped in and (not really surprisingly) died - natural selection i guess.
But ofc the pirates missed some nice juicy kills (several freighters and industrtials, also a marauder and other stuff listened, thansk me in local or by mail and went the other way / avoided this gate.
The reaction was as expected, first insults by the pirates and their alts, then they actualy made a ticket for spamming and ... voila ... a GM named Horse appeared and gaged the character warning about the gatecamp on the empire side.
This made me ... wtf ? An immediately triggered talk with the GM lead to nothing substantional and i got no answer about the rules of gagging (tiomes, repetitions, ...).
The "Spamming" was writing the warning in local whenever someone new jumped in which went from once every 20-30s up to once a minute ot two. There was no question about botting for i was at the computer and immediately responding (also talking in local to some folks on empire side) so stripped down a character was gagged (forbidden to write into local) because he was warning other ppl about the gatecamp whenever someone jumped in.
Try to discuss it without flaming please, but i really wonder what you think about a) the action of the GM and b) if the "spamming" policy in this case was really fitting. Eve is so great because oft the freedom it gives players on all sides. GMs acting on behalf of one side or the other that way is not only disturbing but makes me worry quite a bit.
fly dangerous, Mynx
Yes Yes Yes.. I understand what you are trying to say..
I have just one question, but who was phone?
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Vantoth
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Wolf Kruol I'm curious, where does one go when a GM abuses there power? Who disciplines them?
Or do we just send an email to customer support and hope they will answer back?
The only contact is via email to [email protected]. Would it even work? Any takers on this?
Page 2 of this thread has the info you are looking for. Look for "Internal Affairs"
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Shad0w Hawk
Heretic Army B A N E
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Posted - 2011.04.06 21:21:00 -
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These are some great tears from the OP.
I watched that guy ctrl-v his little text into local in 2 systems every 5 seconds for hours.
Wasn't until after like 2 hours when a couple of us petitioned him for ****ting up our local.
Oh and I was the highsec scout for the entire night. The biggest thing we missed due to him was a battleship. :)
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Jones Bones
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.04.06 22:26:00 -
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FREE Mynx La'Rue! FREE Mynx La'Rue! FREE Mynx La'Rue!
In all honesty, gagging you without a warning seems...harsh (IBTL for discussing moderation/adminning). But I remember blocking you because you were spamming so fast (5-10 seconds) that it was interrupting my local trolling. Do NOT interrupt Amamake local to this extent. Heretic Army pilots are very low on the evolutionary ladder and we are incapable of handling such complex ideas as multiple chat windows. Ergo, we use local for corp/fleet/etc chat.
TLDR: FREE Mynx La'Rue!
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Mak Gruber
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Posted - 2011.04.06 22:42:00 -
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Yeah ...G.M should of minded his business on this one.
Take his ass to one of the major 3 hubs... and actually tackle REAL spammers...you know the bot kind.
If someone wants to sit warning people for an hour, more power to them.
Take this issue to internal affairs.
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Kitty McKitty
Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.04.06 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones Do NOT interrupt Amamake local to this extent. Heretic Army pilots are very low on the evolutionary ladder and we are incapable of handling such complex ideas as multiple chat windows. Ergo, we use local for corp/fleet/etc chat.
Love it ~~~
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.04.06 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Go Diveher on 06/04/2011 22:48:02 @Ezekeil / Lucas
There's no failure in logic in my comments, you're just reading them with a different intent than I tried to convey.
Whilst obviously chat is part of the game, abusing and disrupting it to gain an advantage is pretty much always going to be frowned upon.
The OP admits she was there for a long time, and that it was 'every 20 seconds' - the reality is (supported by others there) that it was probably a lot worse than that.
"Flooding" or "scrolling" the chat window in order to disproportionately convey a message is pretty much what spam is on a chat window.
Kudos to the guy who made the allegory to ****ography - such things are always a matter of exacting context and writing any statement to define it is doomed to fail. Hence all laws and definitions on both, found anywhere, are fluffy.
Quote: Not my game, so I won't try to write it's rules. I do have a reasonable expectation to know what the rules are so that I can abide by them. If the writer of the rules finds them to be easily manipulated in ways that do not meet their desired affect, change the rules, and inform the player base
Confirming that what we all want on login each and every day is :
"Please read the new EULA and scroll to the bottom to continue and accept the errant comma that gave a slight intent where it was not intended"
ANY attempt to define spam means that spammers have an EXACT definition, and can ergo make their spam deviate by a tiny little bit and be within the rules. They'll then take great glee in being so clever, and spam it to all hell. The rule changes, and the cycle repeats.
See: Kids testing the new teacher. Kid going from one parent to the other attempting to get a different reply, etc.
Ergo my point - make a rule. The fact you can't is the exact point, you can't just decide to sidestep the argument because you can't
(As a point of social interest, the very reason judges exist within a legal system is to assess, in effect, problem A against rules and conventions B & C. This is why the exact definition of crimes is not written in an ever increasing attempt to get it right, but is (in many countries) based on precedent and case law history.)
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Jude Lloyd
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Posted - 2011.04.06 23:38:00 -
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I was in the camp while you were spamming on both sides, and I have to tell you - It was really annoying. Maybe the GM shut you up because you were being an annoying fruitcake.
Also, just play the god damn game. Let the pirates make their money on stupidity.
Glory to Mother Amamake!
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Wolf Kruol
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.07 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vantoth
Page 2 of this thread has the info you are looking for. Look for "Internal Affairs"
Interesting and thanks.
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Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.07 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 07/04/2011 10:54:53 Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 07/04/2011 10:53:06
Originally by: Jude Lloyd I was in the camp while you were spamming on both sides, and I have to tell you - It was really annoying. Maybe the GM shut you up because you were being an annoying fruitcake.
Also, just play the god damn game. Let the pirates make their money on stupidity.
Glory to Mother Amamake!
Please tell me what is annyoing about typing and copy/paste warnings to other player in local? Why do ppl care so much about local? I know Amamake very well and especially in Ossogur there is NOTHING - I repeat: NOTHING - important in local EXCEPT cloaky alts for the camp f*gs. Local chat is mainly dead and when someone is dropping warnings I just read and don't care and keep on buring. Even Jita local. I don't care. What could be probably annyoing if I would be a *****: it just fills up my logs and will waste my 1TB hard drive space. Holy ****. That's a serious issue indeed. So why should I care about local? It will do nothing to my game because I am not in Jita to grab great offers from local or talk about other carebears or alts. It's just amusing to see what happende to high-sec hubs. That's CPP's job. They know Jita and if they want they can filter or not. Period. There is nothing important in Jita but the market. So let all these bots spam their ****. Again: I don't care. And I swear: all pro's don't care.
The only whiners caring about the spam in Ossogur are these camp f*gs and wannabe-PvP-noobs believing that warping between station, POS and camp in a fleet makes them looking awesome. To make it clear. Camping is fine. Everything is fine. Just do it. But get your damn lazy kid's ass up and do something different than calling a GM if your secure camping and ganking **** is compromised by someone on the other side.
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Mynx La'Rue
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Mynx La''Rue on 07/04/2011 11:05:57
Originally by: Presidente Gallente The only whiners caring about their definition of spam in Ossogur are these camp f*gs and wannabe-PvP-noobs believing that warping between station, POS and gate in a fleet makes them looking awesome.
Naah its ok m8, if you check the last posters youll see its a certain pirate corp / alliance trying to look good. Thats all. And thery do it in the typical manner. Insults and lies. Trying to make other ppl look bad while beeing the 1337 guys - and completely ignoring the topic.
Just to make a short summery. Nope, it wasnt spammed every 10s for hours, the timeframe i gave was exactly what it was, once everytime a new pilot came in. Noone except the pirates and their alt had a problem with it. We even had a neutral guy in here posting he whitnessed the whole thing over an extended periot of time and it wasnt spamming at all. Pirates just hate to see otheres make them look bad, waste time and make less money.
If ppl can read they noticed there where no tears in this threat except from the pirates. Same was in Amamake where thry actually tried to insult and flame the whole time in the typical childish manner. Also no, there wasnt only one BC that escaped but severa ldozend ships who turned around. That lie is even so stupid i cant believe they tried to sell it ... IF i would have SPAMMED it every 10s NOONE turned back beside 1 ship on this known camped gate ? Ya right. They are contradicting themself nearly every posting.
But, as i said in the OP myself, neither beein the cool d0g nor gatecamping was the question, but the way the GM acted in that situation.
Thanks for everyone who actually wrote something about this topic and his or her opinion, if you remote the pirate folks psotings it gives not a 100% but definitely a clear tendency.
As i said, i escalated the matter higher and will see how the GMs respont now its going higher to the next level.
And ofc if im again semiAFK and cant play actively for an hour or two cause of work ill move myself to Osgg / Ama gate again and do the same. Even if no ships would be saved (which was) its halarious to hear the pirates whine in local all the time.
Pirate tears, best tears.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Spank on 07/04/2011 11:13:59
Originally by: Presidente Gallente Please tell me what is annyoing about typing and copy/paste warnings to other ppl in local?
It's called spam and it's annoying as crap and completely unnecessary. If you like it so much why don't you go chill in Jita and GTFO of this thread.
At least you seperate pro's from antagonistic *****es.
Originally by: Mynx La'Rue Pirate tears, best tears.
Because getting ******s in local gagged is the same as crying. Meanwhile making threads to literally cry about it isn't crying. Some people should drink bleach ingame.
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Jones Bones
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Presidente Gallente Pro's don't care.
::pro::
I am still siding with OP on this matter. As a GLORIOUS HERETIC COMMANDER I myself have been gagged due to my words in local many times. I find this recent action unjust! But I also stand by my previous post regarding the timing of your posts. If your local chatter interferes with my ability to degrade and humiliate my fail train of whooping tards I will be very sad. And sad pirates are just pathetic.
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Rorschach Hunter
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mynx La'Rue
Thanks for everyone who actually wrote something about this topic and his or her opinion, if you remote (remove?) the pirate folks psotings it gives not a 100% but definitely a clear tendency.
So if you ignore everyone who is on the other side of the arguement, your conclusion is that most people agree with you. Freaking hilarious logic.
Besides, I see half a dozen fairly neutral posters who are not pirates, saying what you were doing was "irritating", "annoying" and basically spamming. Maybe you should re-read your thread to see it's a much more even split of opinion than you claim.
White Knight to Sin Bin, get over it.
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Lucas Quaan
Rens 911 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Whilst obviously chat is part of the game, abusing and disrupting it to gain an advantage is pretty much always going to be frowned upon.
The OP admits she was there for a long time, and that it was 'every 20 seconds' - the reality is (supported by others there) that it was probably a lot worse than that.
"Flooding" or "scrolling" the chat window in order to disproportionately convey a message is pretty much what spam is on a chat window.
Posting of logs is prohibited under current forum rules, so you will have to take my word for it, but looking though my records of the night in question from the Amamake side, the shortest time interval observed between successive posting of the message "OSSG / AMAMAKE gate camped dont warp in (smartbombing)" was 31s and the longest 2m26s. The rest of the recorded conversation had a mix of participants, including persons of the gate camping persuasion, none of which, imho, could be said to be spamming either.
FWIW, I too have a history of camping said gate on occasion and am no stranger to the use of warnings on the hi-sec side, no different from those posted outside Tama or Aunenen, other notoriously camped low-sec entrances. Never have I even remotely considered the option to report the concerned citizen alerting the public of my nefarious activities for spamming. Especially since it would do nothing to free karttoon.
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Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 07/04/2011 12:08:14
Originally by: Rorschach Hunter
Originally by: Mynx La'Rue
Thanks for everyone who actually wrote something about this topic and his or her opinion, if you remote (remove?) the pirate folks psotings it gives not a 100% but definitely a clear tendency.
So if you ignore everyone who is on the other side of the arguement, your conclusion is that most people agree with you. Freaking hilarious logic.
Besides, I see half a dozen fairly neutral posters who are not pirates, saying what you were doing was "irritating", "annoying" and basically spamming. Maybe you should re-read your thread to see it's a much more even split of opinion than you claim.
White Knight to Sin Bin, get over it.
Then these thin-skinned, oversensitive "dozen fairly neutral posters" are really playing the wrong game. Eventually they should look for something "Unicorn Online" where is love, sweet music and local whisper in the air 24/7.
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:11:00 -
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Looking for logic in GM decisions is like trying to define the shape of fire.
It can't be done.
I was in a very well known channel for market related discussion and a player was posting links to images of bestiality and other similar filth.
I raised a petition (with related copy/pasta) and the response was that as this was a "private" channel GMs would take no action. However for some reason the never replied if I asked if I could start the "EVE Bestiality Channel".
Talk about mixed signals!
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Poisona Buccaneer
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mynx La'Rue
But what is real PVP? The Faction Warfare i do? Sitting all day on a gate killing single targets and warping immediately to a safespot warned by alts whenever something comes in that can be a danger to me? 0.0 Blob warfare with several hundret ships on every side ? Roaming PVP in medium or small groups or even solo searching fights?
pfft Mynx La'Rue i fell asleep reading your blah blah blah replies. Come and talk to me when your not flying in a fleet of 20-30 plus players constantly and discuss real pvp mate....all gank
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cRazYf1St
tempered steel
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:28:00 -
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you should have had a warning but tbh anyone who complains about spamming is stupid unless it offensive obviously. just block them duh? only reason the pirates did anything is because he was obviously stopping them from getting so many kills or they couldn't find a block button?
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Mynx La'Rue
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Poisona Buccaneer
Originally by: Mynx La'Rue But what is real PVP? The Faction Warfare i do? Sitting all day on a gate killing single targets and warping immediately to a safespot warned by alts whenever something comes in that can be a danger to me? 0.0 Blob warfare with several hundret ships on every side ? Roaming PVP in medium or small groups or even solo searching fights?
pfft Mynx La'Rue i fell asleep reading your blah blah blah replies. Come and talk to me when your not flying in a fleet of 20-30 plus players constantly and discuss real pvp mate....all gank
This is halarious, you dont give up do you ? Trying to somehow make a fight out of everything ? First of all, just quote ONE more sentence i wrote, let me do it for you.
Originally by: Mynx La'Rue Roaming PVP in medium or small groups or even solo searching fights?
It dosnt matter. Its EVE, you play your way and talks about who is 1337, l33ter and the l33test are just philosophical at best, ******ed most of the time. Pirates use the system to their advantage, they shouldnt cry if someone else uses it the same way.
So nice you wanna try AGAIN to show some ppl are so amazing PVPers and everyone doing pvp otherwise is a carebear. First wrong, 2nd not the point.
And on top of it ... Gatecamping single targets and warping out once local rises by more then 2 to a safespot is better pvp then something else i mentioned above ? Seriously ? But again, not thepoint. So just keep your attempts to make this thread a flamefeast for yourself.
Originally by: Lucas Quaan Posting of logs is prohibited under current forum rules, so you will have to take my word for it, but looking though my records of the night in question from the Amamake side, the shortest time interval observed between successive posting of the message "OSSG / AMAMAKE gate camped dont warp in (smartbombing)" was 31s and the longest 2m26s. The rest of the recorded conversation had a mix of participants, including persons of the gate camping persuasion, none of which, imho, could be said to be spamming either.
Thanks for takign the time to check your logs m8, And yes, the above was the case, nice to have some other ppl whitnessed it.-
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Rorschach Hunter
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Presidente Gallente Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 07/04/2011 12:08:14
Originally by: Rorschach Hunter
Originally by: Mynx La'Rue
Thanks for everyone who actually wrote something about this topic and his or her opinion, if you remote (remove?) the pirate folks psotings it gives not a 100% but definitely a clear tendency.
So if you ignore everyone who is on the other side of the arguement, your conclusion is that most people agree with you. Freaking hilarious logic.
Besides, I see half a dozen fairly neutral posters who are not pirates, saying what you were doing was "irritating", "annoying" and basically spamming. Maybe you should re-read your thread to see it's a much more even split of opinion than you claim.
White Knight to Sin Bin, get over it.
Then these thin-skinned, oversensitive "dozen fairly neutral posters" are really playing the wrong game. Eventually they should look for something "Unicorn Online" where is love, sweet music and local whisper in the air 24/7.
Half a dozen. Sheesh, your reading is as good as the OP's logic.
And I fail to see how the people who stated they just blocked or ignored somebody crusading loudly in Local are "playing the wrong game". Surely by doing that they are doing the exact thing you... sorry... Mynx are demanding the first place, deal with it themselves not get a GM involved.
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
The OP admits she was there for a long time, and that it was 'every 20 seconds' - the reality is (supported by others there) that it was probably a lot worse than that.
As I said, the specific situation is immaterial to the topic. The occasion was merely the catalyst for the discussion of importance.
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Ergo my point - make a rule. The fact you can't is the exact point, you can't just decide to sidestep the argument because you can't
Choosing to abstain from an action is not an indicator of an inability to do so, insinuating otherwise is disingenuous at best. But yes, people will find ways to work the system - writing policy needs to be a proactive endeavor.
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher As a point of social interest, the very reason judges exist within a legal system is to assess, in effect, problem A against rules and conventions B & C. This is why the exact definition of crimes is not written in an ever increasing attempt to get it right, but is (in many countries) based on precedent and case law history.)
There's also a distinct and clear separation of powers and jurisdiction (in many countries) between a judge and other forms of law enforcement. It is not the case here, and trying to draw a parallel fails due to vastly different structures. ------------------------------------------------------ Shadow-war - you should click this link |
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