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Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:44:00 - [181] Originally by: Froosh tl;dr: you see me quittin', imma be hatin' so youre saying you dont see any incompetance in CCP? This is all good in your eyes? Or are you just trolling? cause that tl/dr had some good points to it. ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs
Froosh Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:44:00 - [182] Edited by: Froosh on 10/04/2011 01:49:16 Edited by: Froosh on 10/04/2011 01:46:47 Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Froosh tl;dr: you see me quittin', imma be hatin' btw. can i has ur stuffs I might consider if you say please. Pretty please - u be my internets spazship hero!
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:47:00 - [183] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Froosh tl;dr: you see me quittin', imma be hatin' btw. can i has ur stuffs I might consider if you say please. Hey give it to me I stuck up for you lol The only good thing about the new forums is it didnt have the bull**** two minute wait crap... ofc it took 2 minutes to do anything... ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs
Froosh Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:49:00 - [184] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Froosh tl;dr: you see me quittin', imma be hatin' so youre saying you dont see any incompetance in CCP? This is all good in your eyes? Or are you just trolling? cause that tl/dr had some good points to it. You're right, valid points indeed. I just think it's so hilarious that CCP has made such an utterly epic fail boat of the new forums that it's just disgusting. Hence the trolling. Valid points are made in this thread - I approve.
Siiee Recycled Heroes	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:50:00 - [185] Originally by: SupaKudoRio Perhaps all the CSS for the entire EVE-Gate domain was loaded all at once... that might explain it. Evegate loads a different file global.CSS, which is 2846 lines and includes plentiful formatting and whitespace is about 9k. The forum main CSS file does seem to be almost entirely .yafnet tags, is 72k fully compacted, and expands out to 3842 lines when breaking on ;s Ix's page load test was done on the "reasons this forum sucks" thread, on a page that was maybe 1/2 full of posts at the time
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:52:00 - [186] Ah, I understand!! The forum fail was on purpose, to distract ppl from the botting cancer growing in the game.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:54:00 - [187] Originally by: CCP Alice [...] we want to launch with a solidly working, polished product. So my question is simple: what happened? -- Originally by: CCP Elais It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:56:00 - [188] Originally by: Myra2007 Originally by: CCP Alice [...] we want to launch with a solidly working, polished product. So my question is simple: what happened? CCP happened Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Nyio Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:58:00 - [189] Hm.. I had the strangest dream, about CCP making a new "shiny" forum. When I woke up I had to check if it was only a nightmare, and pheew it was. Seriously though, New isn't always better. Especially not when the majority thinks so. (I still like the awesome way this "old" forum opens up in the mainsite.) <-- Bearded pirate.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:00:00 - [190] Originally by: Sturmwolke Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Originally by: Akita T Security holes aside, how about an assurance that user feedback will be actually USED next time you ask us to test the forums ? Or what about making the new forums not just barely functional and somewhat secure, but actually a clear improvement over the current ones in every single way ? This The new forums should have everything the old forums have and more. Not a mixed bag of dubious features coupled with reduced functionality. Patience is not something you guys need to worry about here, we don't care if it gets released late so long as it's better, and that it WORKS when it gets released. It's not like the old ones are falling to bits, they'll do perfectly well until the new forums are polished to a satisfactory level. They're probably under a time constraint or internal roadmap that builds up to DUST514. Their grand vision is to integrate both communities under EVEGate, which may or may not back fire when the time comes, imo ... but we'll deal with it when the time comes. Good implementations can generally be identified by having met or surpassed what it replaces - measured from both internal tests and user feedback. The (temporarily defunct) new EVE forum did not meet these basic criterion. The user feedbacks were generally negative, based on the noise level it generated. I offer you, contrast that to how CCP implemented the beta Contracts Search ... note any difference? Depending on the workings inside CCP, yes the project leader's hand may be shortened due to lack of resources - but I highly doubt that based on the time they've had building it. All evidences (the ones which are public anyway) thus far points to massive incompetence in both the code architecture and decision making process. You'd typically be running a post-mortem on this after putting out the immediate fires, mainly to ensure that it is mitigated and never happens again by adopting (pro-actively) the learnings into an internal BKMs. Infact, large companies like Intel (for example) have an internal BKM database that serves as a sort of internal wiki for employees for all sorts of things. edit:clarity CCP needs to change its strategy of rolling out new shiny junk over polished features. That path leads to self-destruction in the long run. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:09:00 - [191] fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs I think I have a new sig lol ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs
David Hassan	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:12:00 - [192] Eve Online, greatest vaporware ever sold. How many 'expansions' have we gotten now that are entirely broken upon launch? -Faction Warfare -Dominion Sov mechanics (not just bad, but didnt work for weeks after launch) -PI and Facebook faux content -Incursions CCP is Committed to something, but it sure as hell isn't quality. At least you put back up working forums after the new ones fell apart at the seams for 2 days. I guess that whole 'testing the new forums' thing was just your devs pretending to work. They are either lazy or incompetent, which is it? Just keep pouring more money into advertising, the actual quality of services rendered doesn't matter at all. Also, funny as hell that you advertised the new forums with a really th'uper gay unicorn banner. Honesty in advertising.
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:15:00 - [193] I think what we saw WAS the testing phase of the forums ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:16:00 - [194] Originally by: David Hassan Eve Online, greatest vaporware ever sold. How many 'expansions' have we gotten now that are entirely broken upon launch? -Faction Warfare -Dominion Sov mechanics (not just bad, but didnt work for weeks after launch) -PI and Facebook faux content -Incursions CCP is Committed to something, but it sure as hell isn't quality. At least you put back up working forums after the new ones fell apart at the seams for 2 days. I guess that whole 'testing the new forums' thing was just your devs pretending to work. They are either lazy or incompetent, which is it? Just keep pouring more money into advertising, the actual quality of services rendered doesn't matter at all. Also, funny as hell that you advertised the new forums with a really th'uper gay unicorn banner. Honesty in advertising. This. It's a proven and undeniable track record that CCP has shown us over YEARS. This path leads to nowhere.
Froosh Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:18:00 - [195] Originally by: Akita T CCP needs to change its strategy of rolling out new shiny junk over polished features. That path leads to self-destruction in the long run.
Julyan Fox Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:25:00 - [196] Maybe if more ppl went to test it things would have been better too. Ppl tend to forget EVE isn't an 11 million subscriber mmo. As for the design I vote for transparent forums over godly gaz cloud backgrounds
Bhattran	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:32:00 - [197] I take this opportunity to once again salute the CCP QA team. Papa don't preach, I've been losing sleep But I made up my mind, I'm keeping my baby, oh I'm gonna keep my baby, mmm...
Rico Lobo	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:37:00 - [198] Originally by: Akita T I am quite happy with how things turned out. Please, take your time to plug the problems. A couple of years will do nicely. Um Akita, literaly the only way there gona plug some of the problems is to literaly plug some of the problems. and by plug, I mean the West Texas cowboy meaning of the word.
Steve Thomas Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:38:00 - [199] Originally by: Garbol Hellbrecht But, but... They made an awesome video of things that will be in a game... Oh wait... I suspect they should hire thoes people to actualy do the development work on all future CCP projects. they can only do it better. .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:42:00 - [200] lol yeah, theres a great way to look at it, they cant do any worse, things can only get better here on out ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs
Steve Thomas Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:43:00 - [201] Originally by: Misanth CCP, was these major security issues a case of you creating something above your competence level, or a case of your upper management pushing out a product that wasn't finished? Considering that you could use the build in Developer tools in Windows Exploer 9.0 to do half of what people were complaining about. . . I would have to say Both. Seriously did you guys load the forums in developer mod on purpose or something? .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:47:00 - [202] Edited by: Mag''s on 10/04/2011 02:49:16 Originally by: CCP Wrangler It has been an interesting weekend so far. Our shiny new forums havenÆt worked quite as expected and they have been going up and down a few times. We have opened up our trusted old forums for your posting pleasure and we will be keeping the new forums down until they can be sorted out. There will be more information on this on Monday. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you and we thank you for your patience and understanding. Funny thing is, they work exactly how many of us expected. Not at all well. Edit: Respect for the apology. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Marconus Orion S.E.G.W.A.Y.	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:47:00 - [203] I bet the forums for DUST 514 and World of Darkness won't have these problems.
Steve Thomas Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:55:00 - [204] Edited by: Steve Thomas on 10/04/2011 02:56:41 Originally by: CCP Sreegs My job is response, not reviewing every single line of code that gets written. to be honest it should not be, your job is security, not being nany to all 1500+ CPUs owned by CCP and lets be honest I dont think anyone expeced that just by haveing a spefice brouser and operating system combo that all you would have to do is push one button on your keybard and have the forums apear to go into "full edit" mode. Originally by: Marconus Orion I bet the forums for DUST 514 and World of Darkness won't have these problems. nope, were talking about lord muphy here. the problem will be all new, and a lot worse. .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
Trocent Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:57:00 - [205] I really wish these whiners were real programmers. They'd know how strange problems arise. Out of all the MMOs I played CCP still does a hell of a lot better than anyone else. Also to all you whiners, remember that CCP could always make this a carebear game. That'd probably get a few million subscriptions and make a ton more money, but they don't. Feel grateful or leave.
Marconus Orion S.E.G.W.A.Y.	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:07:00 - [206] Originally by: Trocent I really wish these whiners were real programmers. They'd know how strange problems arise. Out of all the MMOs I played CCP still does a hell of a lot better than anyone else. Also to all you whiners, remember that CCP could always make this a carebear game. That'd probably get a few million subscriptions and make a ton more money, but they don't. Feel grateful or leave. Some of these people complaining are programmers. The same people who pointed out the problems before it went live. CCP just ignored them and shoved it out to the customers so they could say they Delivered.

CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:09:00 - [207] Just to keep you guys who weren't in the loop aware there will still be a security-related blog about the forum issues Monday or so. Now with BONUS CONTENT!


CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:10:00 - [208] Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 10/04/2011 03:10:15 Originally by: Marconus Orion Originally by: Trocent I really wish these whiners were real programmers. They'd know how strange problems arise. Out of all the MMOs I played CCP still does a hell of a lot better than anyone else. Also to all you whiners, remember that CCP could always make this a carebear game. That'd probably get a few million subscriptions and make a ton more money, but they don't. Feel grateful or leave. Some of these people complaining are programmers. The same people who pointed out the problems before it went live. CCP just ignored them and shoved it out to the customers so they could say they Delivered. If you have any evidence of this I'd welcome you to share it with me. [email protected]

Habaticus Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:15:00 - [209] Thanks for being proactive on this CCP. Many companies would have to tried fix on the move to avoid the trollfest. Kudos to you and your hardworking people.
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:18:00 - [210] Originally by: Habaticus Thanks for being proactive on this CCP. Many companies would have to tried fix on the move to avoid the trollfest. Kudos to you and your hardworking people. They don't deserve kudos. Kudos are for people who can deliver excellence, they cannot.

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