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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 10/04/2011 00:02:22
 Originally by: Rasz Lin
Originally by: Mag's
The question is, how the hell did the new ones get released in such a bad state to begin with?
Agility! You release even if its half done and full of bugs.
I don't think agile can be blamed in this case... More like CCP not doing agile properly.
It seems like they either didn't get, or chose to ignore, the customers input. Without that, any agile project is normally doomed to failure as you'll not be delivering what the customer wants or needs, and will have a lot of design and coding errors.
In this case, the really sad thing was that plenty of feedback WAS supplied after the first test, but seemed to be completely ignored. My best guess is that management chose to override agile procedures (which is never a good idea, but try telling a manager that)...
If it WASN'T the managers, but the agile team themselves that chose to deploy, then they need to take a VERY hard look at themselves and figure out how they could go so wrong...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Mortania
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:01:00 -
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I posted this elsewhere, but opening the old forums is sort of pointless. Other than posting fail boat and other lulz. Anything of consequence seems of little merit. It's like going back to bang your ex or something. It feels good and exciting at first, but then you realize that it's a completely pointless exercise because there's no future in it.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:02:00 -
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CCP, please don't be discouraged. I actually liked the new forums. If you can address the security problems, I look forward to their return. It was nice to actually get to see all the portraits we spent so much time on.
Best of luck fixing the issues.
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Garekell
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:02:00 -
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OMG a first - a 'Miilla post' I agree with AND found funny!
Originally by: Miilla
Finally! Something in Eve that works!
These new forums rock! They look like the old ones, how did you do it! Awesome! Totally painless transition.
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dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:02:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Froosh
It took CCP eighteen months to make a skin for an open source forum.
CCP - 13 148 man hours doing nothing.
They most have used some time on removing what every security features the forums had...
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Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:02:00 -
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My thoughts concerning the now defunct new forums...
1. Quotes were wayyy to big, seriously.. fail.
2. Way to much wasted space, and fixed width forums are fail from top to bottom.
3. Looks... to be quite honest, the new forums looked horrid. Amateur. Blocky. 1990's. Outdated.
4. Streaming while writing your post? Seriously? 
5. Security... Not always easy to get right. At least you reacted properly by closing down the forums when the holes were brought to your attention. Rumors abound that you banned the people who discovered these holes (by doing them) and reported them to you rather than thank them for testing your security and being honest enough to inform you of the glaring holes in it. THAT was the most epic failure by CCP yet. People try to help you and you punish them... just... pathetic if true.
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania
I posted this elsewhere, but opening the old forums is sort of pointless. Other than posting fail boat and other lulz. Anything of consequence seems of little merit. It's like going back to bang your ex or something. It feels good and exciting at first, but then you realize that it's a completely pointless exercise because there's no future in it.
I think that's the whole point
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania
I posted this elsewhere, but opening the old forums is sort of pointless. Other than posting fail boat and other lulz. Anything of consequence seems of little merit. It's like going back to bang your ex or something. It feels good and exciting at first, but then you realize that it's a completely pointless exercise because there's no future in it.
It's better than nothing but Facebook *shudder*
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:03:00 -
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I like this place. I don't know who made it in the first place but recent events clearly say you shouldn't have let him go.
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Originally by: CCP Elais
It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:03:00 -
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I am quite happy with how things turned out.
Please, take your time to plug the problems.
A couple of years will do nicely.
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Garbol Hellbrecht
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:04:00 -
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But, but... They made an awesome video of things that will be in a game... Oh wait...
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:04:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Aamrr
CCP, please don't be discouraged.
I liked the new forums too but if we don't rag on them for such an epic fail CCP would be disappointed in us.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:05:00 -
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@ CCP: Best move that you have done so far with your forum project.
These forums are, for some reason, so much easier on the eyes. Honestly, this "old" and "out-dated" design is much, much easier to read through.
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:06:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Aamrr
CCP, please don't be discouraged. I actually liked the new forums. If you can address the security problems, I look forward to their return. It was nice to actually get to see all the portraits we spent so much time on.
Best of luck fixing the issues.
I love these posts lol where can I buy what youre smoking?
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anger leads to hate
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S'Way
Bitter Vets
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator
We will use this thread to keep everyone updated about the status of the new forums and to answer your questions.
Serious question then - given the security issues those new forums had, is it unreasonable to ask that CCP consider adding a different log in for the forums from the one used for the game.
I know that might not be easy with you wanting to combine it with eve-gate, but adding an (optional maybe ?) different password log-in to use the forum as a failsafe guard is something some players might like to see.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:08:00 -
[76]
I really wish for the next iteration that CCP consider migrating the old forum data across. It just felt wrong to have a "fresh start", I mean if all 8 years worth of data is too much to migrate at least migrate all the threads that have yet to hit the 90d lock timer.
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:08:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 00:12:48
How do I edit my signiture on this forum please?
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:09:00 -
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CCP, was these major security issues a case of you creating something above your competence level, or a case of your upper management pushing out a product that wasn't finished?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:09:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Kerfira
It seems like they either didn't get, or chose to ignore, the customers input. Without that, any agile project is normally doomed to failure as you'll not be delivering what the customer wants or needs, and will have a lot of design and coding errors.
In this case, the really sad thing was that plenty of feedback WAS supplied after the first test, but seemed to be completely ignored. My best guess is that management chose to override agile procedures (which is never a good idea, but try telling a manager that)...
Pretty much.
They gave it one test, and got tons of feedback. Based on this, they made ù what? ù 16 changes? At best, it could be considered a performance tweak.
They gave it a second test, and got tons of feedback (much of which was copypasta from the old feedback), along with some worried mentions that these tests didn't seem toà you knowà test much.
Then it went live, and nothing seemed to have changed. With the pace of change they chose, it would have needed maybe 5û10 more testing rounds before we ever got to that point. It was hardly a surprise when it fell on its face in numerous and humorous ways right out the gate.
àso now we've essentially had a third (and maybe fourth) testing phase. Hopefully, they'll actually start listening to the feedback now, once it has become abundantly clear how skipping this step will bite them in the arse in many new and improved ways.
àhopefullyà 
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:10:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 00:08:18
How do I edit my signiture on this forum please?
Settings, choose your character name, and there is the edit box.
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Dalketh
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:10:00 -
[81]
Yes this... something I noticed was in the new forum, the lack of history made it feel cold and impersonal (yes I know in year or so it won't) but these forums have volumes of great information - and for many of us - a sort of 'family history'...
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I really wish for the next iteration that CCP consider migrating the old forum data across. It just felt wrong to have a "fresh start", I mean if all 8 years worth of data is too much to migrate at least migrate all the threads that have yet to hit the 90d lock timer.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:11:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Tippia
Hopefully, they'll actually start listening to the feedback now, once it has become abundantly clear how skipping this step will bite them in the arse in many new and improved ways.
àhopefullyà
Please don't hold your breath on that one. 
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:11:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Akita T
I am quite happy with how things turned out.
Please, take your time to plug the problems.
A couple of years will do nicely.
Last chance to overtake Dark Shikari!
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:12:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Echo Mae
THAT was the most epic failure by CCP yet. People try to help you and you punish them... just... pathetic if true.
its also a well known CCP tactic.
Again tho; why is kug-ut-sumen's name STILL what 3 years afterward? Filtered on this AND it was filtered on the new forums? Holding a grudge much guys?
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anger leads to hate
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:12:00 -
[85]
Edited by: sableye on 10/04/2011 00:13:08
I would like to add while I don't use eve gate I now no longer trust it to be secure.
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:12:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Calathea Sata
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 00:08:18
How do I edit my signiture on this forum please?
Settings, choose your character name, and there is the edit box.
Thanks :) got it I think.
Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator |
Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:15:00 -
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Hey wait, wheres Sreeg, the mouthpiece? Why isnt he here reassuring us everything's OK etc etc etc
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:16:00 -
[88]
Now, to be honest, this move is actually quite nice.
Given how things were moving these past few days, I almost fully expected CCP to keep clamoring over the new forums and keep getting them broken and emergency-patched and so on and so forth.
However, it seems they finally saw reason and did the right thing.
It probably took quite a bit of ego restraining to make this move back, but it was the right thing to do.
So, in a way, some kudos are in order.
It could have been much worse.
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Ulmega
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:17:00 -
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I feel much more at home here, this place is lived worn down something that an old forum has which makes it just more attractive to come around and check it out.
I already knew from the day I saw the new forums I would go there less often to read to stuff, just because it didn't feel like home, it felt like some holiday apartment, all nice and tidy, but no personal touch no feeling of connection.
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Titus Phook
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:17:00 -
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Well if he passed the new forum as fit for use, and lets face it he's the security guy and it was a security issue, he's probably busy trying to get the egg off his face.
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