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Froosh
Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:19:00 -
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All hatin should be directed at this guy:
CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Froosh All hatin should be directed at this guy:
CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader
What sort of ship does he fly and what systems does he frequent... i'll get a bubbler and a hurricane parked on the gate asap ...
I should be able to get his pod too with the double sebo cane fit ; )
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Froosh All hatin should be directed at this guy:
CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader
That's a bit unfair, considering he left CCP a couple of years back now.
But for sure, whoever his current successor is, should be in deep trouble over this mess.
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler[/quote You have my sincere and personal apology and I also apologize on behalf of CCP.
ok, now you need to make an audio file, preferably one normal, and one with a dance remix and beatboxing, and one in waltz.
one two three, one two three, one two three
p.s., i missed you so much lol for me my
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 10/04/2011 03:10:15
Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: Trocent I really wish these whiners were real programmers. They'd know how strange problems arise. Out of all the MMOs I played CCP still does a hell of a lot better than anyone else.
Also to all you whiners, remember that CCP could always make this a carebear game. That'd probably get a few million subscriptions and make a ton more money, but they don't. Feel grateful or leave.
Some of these people complaining are programmers. The same people who pointed out the problems before it went live. CCP just ignored them and shoved it out to the customers so they could say they Delivered.
If you have any evidence of this I'd welcome you to share it with me. [email protected]
I can save you the time, on this forum thread you have one IT systems developer who works for Kinder*Morgan Pipelines, two Web content developers from CITIgroup and a Network system specialist for The Clydesdale Bank PLC UK.
now how many of them actualy ARE in thoes feilds is a matter of speculation. after all you can say whatever you like in facebook. .end of line.
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If you think your too paranoid to play EvE...
Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE
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Anulla Bequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:47:00 -
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Hurray for socks!
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:58:00 -
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CCP broke my heart
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Jonathan Malcom
Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Calathea Sata CCP broke my heart
Holy ****ing dog ****. Quit the game already and stop ****ting up my forums with your intolerable drivel.
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Fearless M0F0
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:17:00 -
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We will know after the dev blog about this forum fiasco but from what little info I could found about these "security issues" it appears they are related to not validating server-side along with client-side.
I think the new forums are in c# and .NET 3.5 and as one who has been developing in this technology for the last 8 years I've found such mistakes being made by noobs and very senior developers. Just this week I showed a senior dev in my office how his security feature was easily by-passable by just typing a new url
So yeah, it's an epic fail but it's understandable if the web team doesn't have the right kind of experience.
Btw, storing sensitive data such as my char id in unencrypted cookies? . Do they know about the ASP.NET Session object?
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:17:00 -
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I can only hope that this delay gives the moderation team like Navigator and Wrangler time to reflect back, think over how the past days felt under the new forums and compare it with the current revived old one.
There is no hair on my slowly baldly going head who believes that we the users are the only ones who got serious trouble with the new forums readability. If you have to work with it all day, there is no way to ignore it.
We can, and I was seriously planning on cutting severely down on EVE forum time because of the eye strain. As a moderator, you cannot. Just think o the pain you'll have going through (trying to read) a thread naught like when CCP disabled 'ghost training' or took Chribba's Veldnaught away from high sec.
So, I really hope next monday that during the morning (web development) round table session you guys and girls, chime in and get your foot down and make sure that the next forum itteration includes as much of your user feedback as possible.
Cheers and, thanks for the chuckles.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 10/04/2011 04:20:08
Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Originally by: Calathea Sata CCP broke my heart
Holy ****ing dog ****. Quit the game already and stop ****ting up my forums with your intolerable drivel.
Yeah, that's always the problem with dramatically announcing your farewell on a forum. It's never quite the event you hope for, and you can't take part in the drama if you actually leave. So really to soak it all in you have to announce that you're leaving and then create drama for the next week or so. Otherwise, quitting is short and not at all satisfying.
This is why I never announce anything whenever I leave an online community. I simply leave, and for years people are like "Where did that person go? Are they dead? Was it butt cancer? I hope it was butt cancer."
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:20:00 -
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Verdana > Arial
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion I bet the forums for DUST 514 and World of Darkness won't have these problems.
*clicks like* ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs |
Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Originally by: Calathea Sata CCP broke my heart
Holy ****ing dog ****. Quit the game already and stop ****ting up my forums with your intolerable drivel.
you first :)
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Fearless M0F0 Btw, storing sensitive data such as my char id in unencrypted cookies? . Do they know about the ASP.NET Session object?
Are you talking about the charid, everyone can see by mouse over you picture her on the forums?
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Spyke BlackIce
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:25:00 -
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I usually keep my arse out of whine-fests, troll parades, and general rock throwing, but this fiasco warrants grabbing my pitchfork and joining the mob if only because of the fact that after the two test runs of the new forums, they were released not only with HUGE, wide-open security problems, but little if any of the testers' feedback was heeded. I took part in the first test run (unfortunately I couldn't find enough time due to RL issues to help with the second) but when the forums opened, I could only find a miniscule few examples of the user feedback actually being used. Why bother with tests CCP, if our input is thrown out and disregarded along with the garbage?
It is becoming obvious that someone in upper management doesn't have a clue. They want their new toys - the way it was designed, regardless of flaws and lack of features - out the door and to hell with what the customer wants, needs, envisions, or finds lacking, and worse, to hell with the silly 'polished' idea. "Get it out so that we can move onto the next new toy and we'll finish fixing it later (maybe)", seems to be this person's (or persons') motto.
I actually have a lot of respect for most of the dev teams at CCP, and I applaud their apology and acknowledgement of the problem here as well as their dropping back and punting the old forums into service again. Many companies (no *cough* *S.O.E* *cough* names here) would have taken the stoic, we-know-best-and-you-couldn't-grasp-the-issues route by simply reopening the old forums with a message along the lines of "Due to technical issues, we will be using the old forums until further notice." and that would be that. I'm not implying that the web team should not be tarred-and-feathered for this MAJOR coding ineptitude they called a forum, but I seriously believe the issue began and ended in the top echelon of management. Something this bad quite frankly should not have happened, not even in the devs' worse nightmares. The issue HAD to be a time/deadline/personnel squeeze. Plain and simple.
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Blog: Mortal Immortals - Pods & Footprints in the Dust Twitter: @Spyke_BlackIce (#TweetFleet) Facebook: facebook.com/spyke.blackice |
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo Edited by: Jada Maroo on 10/04/2011 04:20:08
Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Originally by: Calathea Sata CCP broke my heart
Holy ****ing dog ****. Quit the game already and stop ****ting up my forums with your intolerable drivel.
Yeah, that's always the problem with dramatically announcing your farewell on a forum. It's never quite the event you hope for, and you can't take part in the drama if you actually leave. So really to soak it all in you have to announce that you're leaving and then create drama for the next week or so. Otherwise, quitting is short and not at all satisfying.
This is why I never announce anything whenever I leave an online community. I simply leave, and for years people are like "Where did that person go? Are they dead? Was it butt cancer? I hope it was butt cancer."
Confirming that I was VERY pleased when a few months back I checked on the forum for the game I left for eve (nearly 5 years ago) to find that there were still a few people bringing me up in arguments where people were posting page-long rebuttals |
Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Spyke BlackIce I usually keep my arse out of whine-fests, troll parades, and general rock throwing, but this fiasco warrants grabbing my pitchfork and joining the mob if only because of the fact that after the two test runs of the new forums, they were released not only with HUGE, wide-open security problems, but little if any of the testers' feedback was heeded. I took part in the first test run (unfortunately I couldn't find enough time due to RL issues to help with the second) but when the forums opened, I could only find a miniscule few examples of the user feedback actually being used. Why bother with tests CCP, if our input is thrown out and disregarded along with the garbage?
It is becoming obvious that someone in upper management doesn't have a clue. They want their new toys - the way it was designed, regardless of flaws and lack of features - out the door and to hell with what the customer wants, needs, envisions, or finds lacking, and worse, to hell with the silly 'polished' idea. "Get it out so that we can move onto the next new toy and we'll finish fixing it later (maybe)", seems to be this person's (or persons') motto.
I actually have a lot of respect for most of the dev teams at CCP, and I applaud their apology and acknowledgement of the problem here as well as their dropping back and punting the old forums into service again. Many companies (no *cough* *S.O.E* *cough* names here) would have taken the stoic, we-know-best-and-you-couldn't-grasp-the-issues route by simply reopening the old forums with a message along the lines of "Due to technical issues, we will be using the old forums until further notice." and that would be that. I'm not implying that the web team should not be tarred-and-feathered for this MAJOR coding ineptitude they called a forum, but I seriously believe the issue began and ended in the top echelon of management. Something this bad quite frankly should not have happened, not even in the devs' worse nightmares. The issue HAD to be a time/deadline/personnel squeeze. Plain and simple.
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Liked
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:34:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 10/04/2011 04:36:27
Originally by: Miilla
HOW MUCH FREE SKILL POINTS ARE WE GETTING FOR THIS?
Well, somebody had to ask :)
We should get 5k SP per post on the old forums. :)
-Liang
Ed: Also, good luck getting it all sorted out. Sreegs, may I kindly suggest that you have the Evegate/Web PO tell us just what that team has been up to for the last X months? I don't demand it, because that'd be horribly arrogant - but it sure would be nice to see that they're not the gross incompetents they are made out to be (taking X months to turn out a YAF.net). :) -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Fearless M0F0 Btw, storing sensitive data such as my char id in unencrypted cookies? . Do they know about the ASP.NET Session object?
The 8 years of experience hasn't thought you that the char id isn't sensitive data? lol
Validation of the char id is what is failing, an as such the AUTH key in the cookie is the likely culprit. Either they only hashed the user id rather than including the char id or somehow messed up something like that. You do not need to encrypt the cookie to have proper security.
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Fearless M0F0
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Fearless M0F0 Btw, storing sensitive data such as my char id in unencrypted cookies? . Do they know about the ASP.NET Session object?
Are you talking about the charid, everyone can see by mouse over you picture her on the forums?
It's not disclosing the charid, is the fact that they are revealing to anybody who cares to inspect cookies that they are using this value to drive a security feature. -- I take offense on people feeling offended by me |
Trocent
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: Trocent I really wish these whiners were real programmers. They'd know how strange problems arise. Out of all the MMOs I played CCP still does a hell of a lot better than anyone else.
Also to all you whiners, remember that CCP could always make this a carebear game. That'd probably get a few million subscriptions and make a ton more money, but they don't. Feel grateful or leave.
Some of these people complaining are programmers. The same people who pointed out the problems before it went live. CCP just ignored them and shoved it out to the customers so they could say they Delivered.
Then I take it they've programmed a game as advanced as Eve and could single handedly fix the problems in eve. I doubt it. All these people do is whine. CCP released some forums, people exploided them and CCP took it down, would you rather them just keep the forums up?
Regardless of what the whiners say, CCP are doing a pretty good job even when problems arise. Suck it up people.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 10/04/2011 05:07:26
Originally by: Trocent Then I take it they've programmed a game as advanced as Eve and could single handedly fix the problems in eve. I doubt it. All these people do is whine. CCP released some forums, people exploided them and CCP took it down, would you rather them just keep the forums up?
Regardless of what the whiners say, CCP are doing a pretty good job even when problems arise. Suck it up people.
For the most part, +1. There are a huge number of armchair developers playing Eve. But I must admit there are also a pretty good number of actually solid developers playing Eve. Apparently one of the bigger problems CCP has for attracting good talent is the fact that they're in Iceland. This comes with all the associated problems - from "its cold" to "its different than home". Being an expat isn't terribly easy.
-Liang
Ed: Formatting. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Self Preservation Society the 2nd
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: De'Veldrin Tippia, I have often said you have the patience of a saint, but I think you may have moved into a state bordering on denial at this point.
I wouldn't call it "denial" so much as some kind of nanve romanticism ù hope springs eternal and all that noise.
Well, hope is a virtue...even when it chances to be misplaced. --Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:45:00 -
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And while you're at fixing your new forums, don't forget to make the "Likes" PER POST as you announced in the blog, not per character as it was implemented.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Derindar
Originally by: Froosh All hatin should be directed at this guy:
CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader
That's a bit unfair, considering he left CCP a couple of years back now.
But for sure, whoever his current successor is, should be in deep trouble over this mess.
I think that QA didn't even touched the forums, or if they did, nobody listened. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.10 06:18:00 -
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Frankly, it is what you get for putting this onto my EVE login screen. Your failure serves you right! --
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2011.04.10 06:34:00 -
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Grats to CCP for finally seeing sense.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.04.10 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Hopefully, they'll actually start listening to the feedback now
I was about to type "are you new"?
Nah, it has to be a troll.
Originally by: Akita T
However, it seems they finally saw reason and did the right thing. It probably took quite a bit of ego restraining to make this move back, but it was the right thing to do. So, in a way, some kudos are in order.
No, due to horrid PR the thing has been escalated to upper brass who care for PR more than the regular employees. Upper brass can pull the plug.
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
lol I invoked his name... hi!
Its a nice excuse, theres a security issue, ppl try to take him to task, he goes "whoa whoa, Im REACTIVE not PREVENTATIVE"
It's not his job to make sure these are not Geocities quality pages.
The guys paid to make them should have used one of the several "injection and hardening test" softwares available for free.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
You have my sincere and personal apology and I also apologize on behalf of CCP
Because of people like this, there's still hope for CCP.
Finally, an usability feature that along others I reported in the beta test feedback and got promptly ignored:
1) Use a proper font, or make it selectable. 2) Use alternating colors like in the old forum to make eyes relax better.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.10 07:38:00 -
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Hope you get it sorted, until you do I am not sad since I like the old ones way better anyway
But best of luck, and pls see if you can make the new ones be faster...
/c
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