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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:12:00 - [151] Edited by: Tippia on 10/04/2011 01:12:45 Originally by: dexington Originally by: Akita T how about an assurance that user feedback will be actually USED next time you ask us to test the forums ? eve user feedback... 50% says the font is to small, 50% says it's not big enough... 50% says the background color should be black, 50% says it should be white... àand the beauty of modern web design is that you can have it both ways with next to no work. Moreover, these poor old forums that should have been put out to pasture a long time ago already offer similar functionality. Quote: Except form the security being non existing, the forums was ready for use no reason not to release them. àexcept that they were hugely lacking in functionality compared to what they were meant to replace. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:12:00 - [152] Originally by: Mortania Originally by: dexington Except form the security being non existing, the forums was ready for use no reason not to release them. You're a moron. img support, sigs, color support, read/unread posts, understandable last read functionality, like system, all broken. And I'm not bringing in the visual items others complain about, because I found them mostly to be better. NO UOI A MOROMN!!!!! I had no problems with the new forums, some things seemed not 100% there yet and some features were missing, but it worked for me.
Julien Brellier	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:12:00 - [153] This entire, lamentable episode is typical CCP. OMG NEW CONTENT!!!! Who care if it doesn't work, PUSH IT OUT AT ALL COSTS!!!!!one one eleven!! You're becoming an embrassasment when you can't even run a bloody MESSAGEBOARD in 2011.
Mortania Minmatar Kinetic Cartel Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:13:00 - [154] Originally by: Miilla HOW MUCH FREE SKILL POINTS ARE WE GETTING FOR THIS? Well, somebody had to ask :) I know most people call you a troll, but you make me laugh.
Siiee Recycled Heroes	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:14:00 - [155] Originally by: dexington Disable images in you browser if it's that big a problem... I don't even think that would help him as much as it should. Someone reported a 980k pageload at one point, and only 200k of that is the background image.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:14:00 - [156] Originally by: Siiee Originally by: dexington Disable images in you browser if it's that big a problem... I don't even think that would help him as much as it should. Someone reported a 980k pageload at one point, and only 200k of that is the background image. Firefox, prefbar, disable images, flash and colours. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Siiee Recycled Heroes	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:18:00 - [157] Originally by: Miilla Firefox, prefbar, disable images, flash and colours. Found it. Originally by: Ix Forres I can't be arsed to restate everything already mentioned but here's some "what the ****?" selections from a few moments of poking around. 18 external JS references per page. That means 18 HTTP requests per page, at least on first load, to get JS stuff up and running. Slloooow. Gzip compression is not enabled. Could pull the page size down by ~100kb by enabling that, which is utterly trivial to do. None of the static content (images, JS etc) have cache expiry times. This means browsers may well not cache them at all, redownloading every time they load a page. They're also not set to have cache-control:public. You get cookies with all those images and CSS/JS files; 60kb a page load. And according to Chrome's auditer, "122.90KB (94%) of CSS is not used by the current page." That's some prime wastage right there. To load this thread page took 980 kilobytes. That's 4 seconds on my connection (50Mbit/s). 1 second of that is the server coming up with the page I asked for, which is pretty shoddy. Using what my browser's caching, it's still 150kb. This whole thing stinks to high heaven of bad programming and poor understanding of what makes web applications tick.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:20:00 - [158] Originally by: Siiee Originally by: dexington Disable images in you browser if it's that big a problem... I don't even think that would help him as much as it should. Someone reported a 980k pageload at one point, and only 200k of that is the background image. Seriously!? Damn CCP, how do you manage that with a forum? Even with all that shiny, and quite useless fluff you had going on there. Ye'llo?
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:20:00 - [159] Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 10/04/2011 01:24:14 Originally by: dexington Originally by: Copine Callmeknau The new forums should have everything the old forums have and more. Not a mixed bag of dubious features coupled with reduced functionality. Patience is not something you guys need to worry about here, we don't care if it gets released late so long as it's better, and that it WORKS when it gets released. Except form the security being non existing, the forums was ready for use no reason not to release them. Says the guy who doesn't have a sig Quote: Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Oh and an option for an ultra low bandwidth (no avatars, plain black background, no animations etc) mode would be great, I'm paying by the kb here and while I like the new look of the forum, sometimes I wanna post without chewing through my internet. Disable images in you browser if it's that big a problem... WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT! Cause it's SOOOOO convenient having to constantly disable and reenable images across my entire browser because one site I browse happens to be a complete lardass I mean EVE website is the only website on the entire interwebs amirite? Not that it would even make a difference, it's not just the images that cause the excessive page size, it's the blingy ** they put in that was resulting in 500kb, or even 750kb+ forum pages. Sure CCP, I'd love to download 15mb to read a thread when I'm paying $50 for 3gb... --- Originally by:** Miilla Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 10/04/2011 01:02:09 Miilla your sig is ****ing awful, also it's oversized and gonna get nerfed when a mod sees it Yours is too violent and should be also nerfed due to the blood and gore. I've had mine 5yrs, you've had yours 10min. We'll see who's gets nerfed first k? Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Jack Tronic	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:22:00 - [160] Originally by: Ix Forres And according to Chrome's auditer, "122.90KB (94%) of CSS is not used by the current page." That's some prime wastage right there. Dude needs to be less silly. If css file is cached, and it contains all the css for all the pages regardless of how much is used on the current page, it's fine.

Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:23:00 - [161] Originally by: Grey Stormshadow Yep... duke nukem forever took forever to finish, but people were still waiting for it as it was going to be epic :) Ever hear of a company called Gearbox? They published Borderlands... and took over Duke Nukem. http://www.dukenukemforever.com/full/us/ Kind of a fail comparison as it IS gonna be epic lol
Mortania Minmatar Kinetic Cartel Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:23:00 - [162] Originally by: dexington Originally by: Mortania Originally by: dexington Except form the security being non existing, the forums was ready for use no reason not to release them. You're a moron. img support, sigs, color support, read/unread posts, understandable last read functionality, like system, all broken. And I'm not bringing in the visual items others complain about, because I found them mostly to be better. NO UOI A MOROMN!!!!! I had no problems with the new forums, some things seemed not 100% there yet and some features were missing, but it worked for me. heh. it worked, yes. but barely. there were two previous rounds of testing a ton of feedback was given about things that needed improvement. it looked like almost none of them were listened too. It makes me wonder if we should bother giving feedback on future releases.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:24:00 - [163] Originally by: Jack Tronic Dude needs to be less silly. If css file is cached, and it contains all the css for all the pages regardless of how much is used on the current page, it's fine. àexcept that, as mentioned, the server doesn't pass along any expiry information so there's a distinct risk that the browser won't cache it. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Froosh Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:25:00 - [164] Right before forums went down, this one guy posted a topic as a dev, and made it have 197 likes. I lol'd.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:25:00 - [165] I think CCP should made mine the asteroids in a 0.5 system and let everybody know. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Siiee Recycled Heroes	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:26:00 - [166] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jack Tronic Dude needs to be less silly. If css file is cached, and it contains all the css for all the pages regardless of how much is used on the current page, it's fine. àexcept that, as mentioned, the server doesn't pass along any expiry information so there's a distinct risk that the browser won't cache it. And is it typical for a single page on a site to use 6% of the entire site's unique CSS rules?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:30:00 - [167] Originally by: Siiee And is it typical for a single page on a site to use 6% of the entire site's unique CSS rules? I could think that it would happen if, say, most of the styling is done on the thread pages (which contain a larger number of, and far more varied, elements), whereas the test was run on the topic list page. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
James Tylan	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:30:00 - [168] I miss my likes already....
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:31:00 - [169] Originally by: Siiee Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jack Tronic Dude needs to be less silly. If css file is cached, and it contains all the css for all the pages regardless of how much is used on the current page, it's fine. àexcept that, as mentioned, the server doesn't pass along any expiry information so there's a distinct risk that the browser won't cache it. And is it typical for a single page on a site to use 6% of the entire site's unique CSS rules? Perhaps all the CSS for the entire EVE-Gate domain was loaded all at once... that might explain it. Ye'llo?
Froosh Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:33:00 - [170] Edited by: Froosh on 10/04/2011 01:33:42 Originally by: James Tylan I miss my likes already.... me2!1 It was fun to add as many likes as you wanted to your own posts. err, what I means was - too see others do that.

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:34:00 - [171] Originally by: Froosh Originally by: James Tylan I miss my likes already.... me2 - it was fun to add as many likes as you wanted to your own posts. err, what I means was too see others do that. Me too, it made me feel wanted and important. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:36:00 - [172] Originally by: Miilla HOW MUCH FREE SKILL POINTS ARE WE GETTING FOR THIS? Well, somebody had to ask :) 500k sounds good. I will become a total shill for CCP for one million though.
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:37:00 - [173] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Calathea Sata Apology accepted. CCP now please prove your sincerity by your actions. Excellence. Deliverance. I'm waiting to see it on the CCP YouTube channel... in HD. The corruption that is now present within CCP is not just a temporary illness but a defect that is manifested deep from a more fundamental level of managements/how the company is run/how the top levels decide how the game is going to roll out. We customers are not stupid, in fact, we can be many times cleverer than the staff in CCP (see the recent forum drama) and we all know what we signed up for. There is a limit of our patience. There is a limit of our tolerance. CCP promised 18 months until the phasing out of "EVE beta" (aka the dream game) we said ok, we wait. CCP rolled out empty frameworks of features we said ok because CCP surely is going to polish it. At this point, all is fine, because we still think CCP is actually a competent company that is really going to push out the polished stuff eventually. However this forum drama have proven, at least to me, that they are just a bunch of conceptual visionaries that have grand ideas but no clear goal and no ability to deliver it. 75,000 man hours producing this kind of forum that has no BASIC security, has bad codings/features not ironed out after two beta tests that are IMMEDIATELY improved by some scripts written by players, has a "like" function that serves absolutely NO function and is proven to be a lagsause/obviously a bad idea to begin with/a lolfeature that has GOT to be removed some day or other. Really? Excellence, deliverance, with the current ways of CCP, they are impossiblilities. This is a very obvious conclusion from this episode of epic forum fail. Now with CCP proven to be without excellence and deliverance, the 18 months promise immediately doesn't seem so attractive or even FEASABLE anymore. Incarna will be walking in your own room. Dust will come out with only 2 maps initially and 2 guns from 2 of the 4 races, and no orbital strike. 18 months they will start saying there is too much broken features in EVE that they are simply going to reinvent them all making it a totally different game, and will happen only 36 months later. EVE is dead. Not now, not soon. But unless CCP change their ways of doing things, all the possibilities, all the potentials, the grand visions of an ultimate sci-fi, the epic 1000 ships lag-free battle everyone dreamed about, the exciting individual features that can be fun for all types of players... they do not seem so much of a realistic probability anymore. Regain our faith CCP. I do not wish to see such a great internet sci-fi simulator in the future getting crushed by incompetance and poor management of its mother company. We all want to see the day coming. But you guys are the ones that need to reconsolidate among yourselves. I hope this message can serve as a gentle slap in the face for CCP, and wake up the dreaming giant within you to build us that untimate galatic kingdom that we see in our dreams. *the statistics are probably wrong but they are not the mainpoint here.
Froosh Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:37:00 - [174] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Froosh Originally by: James Tylan I miss my likes already.... me2 - it was fun to add as many likes as you wanted to your own posts. err, what I means was too see others do that. Me too, it made me feel wanted and important. me3! It was cool to be acknowledged on teh interwebs when I fail in real life, only having two bachelors and one on going masters degree :º /wrists
Desert Ice78 Gryphon River Industries R-I-P	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:38:00 - [175] Honestly, hands up anyone who is truely not surprised. CCP: Consistency since 2003.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:39:00 - [176] Edited by: Sturmwolke on 10/04/2011 01:43:35 Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Originally by: Akita T Security holes aside, how about an assurance that user feedback will be actually USED next time you ask us to test the forums ? Or what about making the new forums not just barely functional and somewhat secure, but actually a clear improvement over the current ones in every single way ? This The new forums should have everything the old forums have and more. Not a mixed bag of dubious features coupled with reduced functionality. Patience is not something you guys need to worry about here, we don't care if it gets released late so long as it's better, and that it WORKS when it gets released. It's not like the old ones are falling to bits, they'll do perfectly well until the new forums are polished to a satisfactory level. They're probably under a time constraint or internal roadmap that builds up to DUST514. Their grand vision is to integrate both communities under EVEGate, which may or may not back fire when the time comes, imo ... but we'll deal with it when the time comes. Good implementations can generally be identified by having met or surpassed what it replaces - measured from both internal tests and user feedback. The (temporarily defunct) new EVE forum did not meet these basic criterion. The user feedbacks were generally negative, based on the noise level it generated. I offer you, contrast that to how CCP implemented the beta Contracts Search ... note any difference? Depending on the workings inside CCP, yes the project leader's hand may be shortened due to lack of resources - but I highly doubt that based on the time they've had building it. All evidences (the ones which are public anyway) thus far points to massive incompetence in both the code architecture and decision making process. You'd typically be running a post-mortem on this after putting out the immediate fires, mainly to ensure that it is mitigated and never happens again by adopting (pro-actively) the learnings into an internal BKMs. Infact, large companies like Intel (for example) have an internal BKM database that serves as a sort of internal wiki for employees for all sorts of things. edit:clarity
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:40:00 - [177] Originally by: Shaylene wow! A forum you can read more then 1 minute before youre eyes starts to bleed woohoo! Hated the new forum. Old forum is way better. I have to agree with this. Damn but the new forums are an eyesore! ...
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:40:00 - [178] hand up ok ok you caught me trollin
Froosh Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:41:00 - [179] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Calathea Sata Apology accepted. CCP now please prove your sincerity by your actions. Excellence. Deliverance. I'm waiting to see it on the CCP YouTube channel... in HD. The corruption that is now present within CCP is not just a temporary illness but a defect that is manifested deep from a more fundamental level of managements/how the company is run/how the top levels decide how the game is going to roll out. We customers are not stupid, in fact, we can be many times cleverer than the staff in CCP (see the recent forum drama) and we all know what we signed up for. There is a limit of our patience. There is a limit of our tolerance. CCP promised 18 months until the phasing out of "EVE beta" (aka the dream game) we said ok, we wait. CCP rolled out empty frameworks of features we said ok because CCP surely is going to polish it. At this point, all is fine, because we still think CCP is actually a competent company that is really going to push out the polished stuff eventually. However this forum drama have proven, at least to me, that they are just a bunch of conceptual visionaries that have grand ideas but no clear goal and no ability to deliver it. 75,000 man hours producing this kind of forum that has no BASIC security, has bad codings/features not ironed out after two beta tests that are IMMEDIATELY improved by some scripts written by players, has a "like" function that serves absolutely NO function and is proven to be a lagsause/obviously a bad idea to begin with/a lolfeature that has GOT to be removed some day or other. Really? Excellence, deliverance, with the current ways of CCP, they are impossiblilities. This is a very obvious conclusion from this episode of epic forum fail. Now with CCP proven to be without excellence and deliverance, the 18 months promise immediately doesn't seem so attractive or even FEASABLE anymore. Incarna will be walking in your own room. Dust will come out with only 2 maps initially and 2 guns from 2 of the 4 races, and no orbital strike. 18 months they will start saying there is too much broken features in EVE that they are simply going to reinvent them all making it a totally different game, and will happen only 36 months later. EVE is dead. Not now, not soon. But unless CCP change their ways of doing things, all the possibilities, all the potentials, the grand visions of an ultimate sci-fi, the epic 1000 ships lag-free battle everyone dreamed about, the exciting individual features that can be fun for all types of players... they do not seem so much of a realistic probability anymore. Regain our faith CCP. I do not wish to see such a great internet sci-fi simulator in the future getting crushed by incompetance and poor management of its mother company. We all want to see the day coming. But you guys are the ones that need to reconsolidate among yourselves. I hope this message can serve as a gentle slap in the face for CCP, and wake up the dreaming giant within you to build us that untimate galatic kingdom that we see in our dreams. *the statistics are probably wrong but they are not the mainpoint here. tl;dr: you see me quittin', imma be hatin' btw. can i has ur stuffs
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:43:00 - [180] Originally by: Froosh tl;dr: you see me quittin', imma be hatin' btw. can i has ur stuffs I might consider if you say please.



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