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Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:18:00 - [91] Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 10/04/2011 00:19:30 Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 10/04/2011 00:18:30 Originally by: Akita T Now, to be honest, this move is actually quite nice. Given how things were moving these past few days, I almost fully expected CCP to keep clamoring over the new forums and keep getting them broken and emergency-patched and so on and so forth. However, it seems they finally saw reason and did the right thing. It probably took quite a bit of ego restraining to make this move back, but it was the right thing to do. So, in a way, some kudos are in order. It could have been much worse. Yeah we could still BE there. I for one vote they trash the whole idea and keep these forums Originally by: Titus Phook Well if he passed the new forum as fit for use, and lets face it he's the security guy and it was a security issue, he's probably busy trying to get the egg off his face. or keep his job wait, who am I kidding? They dont fire ppl even for good reason. T20's still working there isnt he? ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:19:00 - [92] Originally by: Titus Phook Well if he passed the new forum as fit for use, and lets face it he's the security guy and it was a security issue, he's probably busy trying to get the egg off his face. You should see my signiture then :) Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:20:00 - [93] Originally by: Akita T Now, to be honest, this move is actually quite nice. Given how things were moving these past few days, I almost fully expected CCP to keep clamoring over the new forums and keep getting them broken and emergency-patched and so on and so forth. However, it seems they finally saw reason and did the right thing. It probably took quite a bit of ego restraining to make this move back, but it was the right thing to do. So, in a way, some kudos are in order. It could have been much worse. The major security issues aside? It wasn't just a small glitch. Putting back the old forums was a necessity, not like they had a choice. Let's get it right on this one; I love this game, and got more accounts than I should/what is healthy. I talk good about EVE with people I game with, etc. But this forum debacle, is possibly the biggest gamebreaking thing CCP done since boot.ini. Heads should roll and CCP should ask themselves; did we create a monster we couldn't control, or did we push out a product that wasn't finished? Knowing CCP, the latter seems the major culprit, but the first could very well be involved as well. And that's quite disturbing thoughts, for future development of this game. -

CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:21:00 - [94] Originally by: Sullen Skoung Hey wait, wheres Sreeg, the mouthpiece? Why isnt he here reassuring us everything's OK etc etc etc I believe what I did was tell you I'd have the results of an investigation (now 2!) in a blog. That hasn't changed so I hope that makes you feel OK.

Twilight Runner	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:21:00 - [95] lol at CCP for shooting down all post about new forums.

CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:23:00 - [96] Originally by: Titus Phook Well if he passed the new forum as fit for use, and lets face it he's the security guy and it was a security issue, he's probably busy trying to get the egg off his face. My job is response, not reviewing every single line of code that gets written.

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:25:00 - [97] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 00:26:32 Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Titus Phook Well if he passed the new forum as fit for use, and lets face it he's the security guy and it was a security issue, he's probably busy trying to get the egg off his face. My job is response, not reviewing every single line of code that gets written. Ahh response(bility) :) Perhaps it wasn't code, it was process? Just a random thought. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:25:00 - [98] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 10/04/2011 00:26:39 Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Sullen Skoung Hey wait, wheres Sreeg, the mouthpiece? Why isnt he here reassuring us everything's OK etc etc etc I believe what I did was tell you I'd have the results of an investigation (now 2!) in a blog. That hasn't changed so I hope that makes you feel OK. lol I invoked his name... hi! Its a nice excuse, theres a security issue, ppl try to take him to task, he goes "whoa whoa, Im REACTIVE not PREVENTATIVE"
Titus Phook	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:26:00 - [99] Edited by: Titus Phook on 10/04/2011 00:29:28 That's fair comment CCP Sreegs, I still think that the guys who were responsible for code checking and pen testing the new forums should be strung up by the gonads. It could have been much much worse. Surely a proactive rather than reactive approach to security would be better though. ---------------------------------------------
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:26:00 - [100] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Titus Phook Well if he passed the new forum as fit for use, and lets face it he's the security guy and it was a security issue, he's probably busy trying to get the egg off his face. My job is response, not reviewing every single line of code that gets written. At this rate you should see about getting someone to do exactly that. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008

gargars	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:26:00 - [101] Don't take it personally Sreeg, you unfortunately are the one tasked with responding and the 'visible face' (aka target), so pies are gonna be thrown at you right or wrong. Human nature. Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Sullen Skoung Hey wait, wheres Sreeg, the mouthpiece? Why isnt he here reassuring us everything's OK etc etc etc I believe what I did was tell you I'd have the results of an investigation (now 2!) in a blog. That hasn't changed so I hope that makes you feel OK.
Felix Decat	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:27:00 - [102] Let me play devils advocate for a minute. The old forums (the ones were typing on right now) are kinda garbage. They are old, and their useability pretty much sucks. We need new forums and the features in the new forums we all welcome additions. However, the way CCP handled the "rollback" was nothing short of a debacle. And it seems to be a trend. I for one dont ***** too much about the expansions and their associated patches and problems because they are free and EVE is a super complicated game from a design standpoint, the amount of spaghetti code at this point is probably astounding. But seriously, get your crap together CCP, its starting to really look bad.
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:28:00 - [103] Originally by: gargars Don't take it personally Sreeg, you unfortunately are the one tasked with responding and the 'visible face' (aka target), so pies are gonna be thrown at you right or wrong. Human nature. Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Sullen Skoung Hey wait, wheres Sreeg, the mouthpiece? Why isnt he here reassuring us everything's OK etc etc etc I believe what I did was tell you I'd have the results of an investigation (now 2!) in a blog. That hasn't changed so I hope that makes you feel OK. Given that theres only one person seemingly willing to stick their face in the pihranna tank, yeah, pretty much ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:28:00 - [104] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Akita T Now, to be honest, this move is actually quite nice. Given how things were moving these past few days, I almost fully expected CCP to keep clamoring over the new forums and keep getting them broken and emergency-patched and so on and so forth. However, it seems they finally saw reason and did the right thing. It probably took quite a bit of ego restraining to make this move back, but it was the right thing to do. So, in a way, some kudos are in order. It could have been much worse. The major security issues aside? It wasn't just a small glitch. Putting back the old forums was a necessity, not like they had a choice. Let's get it right on this one; I love this game, and got more accounts than I should/what is healthy. I talk good about EVE with people I game with, etc. But this forum debacle, is possibly the biggest gamebreaking thing CCP done since boot.ini. Heads should roll and CCP should ask themselves; did we create a monster we couldn't control, or did we push out a product that wasn't finished? Knowing CCP, the latter seems the major culprit, but the first could very well be involved as well. And that's quite disturbing thoughts, for future development of this game. And to think boot.ini only affected a relatively small portion of the game's population... whereas the forums... well, you get the idea. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:30:00 - [105] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Titus Phook Well if he passed the new forum as fit for use, and lets face it he's the security guy and it was a security issue, he's probably busy trying to get the egg off his face. My job is response, not reviewing every single line of code that gets written. Hai do you like my sovenior stolen from my visit to the new forums \| V
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:32:00 - [106] If Sreegs isn't a web developer then how can you expect him to know whether something is exploitable or not? I would not expect an information security position in most companies to be responsible for, or have any real input on, the development of a website beyond advising on how to use, store, transmit customer data, etc.
Better Than You	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:35:00 - [107] This is called Karma CCP. You did an unnecessary nerf to the real players who were busting their ass out in null sec by removing their ability to actually make any decent ISK. I strongly suggest you reverse that anomaly change and maybe the programing gods will smile on you once more. - Friendship will always trump the desire to fight!
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:36:00 - [108] Originally by: Better Than You This is called Karma CCP. You did an unnecessary nerf to the real players who were busting their ass out in null sec by removing their ability to actually make any decent ISK. I strongly suggest you reverse that anomaly change and maybe the programing gods will smile on you once more. CCP Karma? When did he start working there? When does he publish a blog? Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:38:00 - [109] Originally by: Durzel If Sreegs isn't a web developer then how can you expect him to know whether something is exploitable or not? If you can manipulate data cross accounts just by editing ids in the url, someone in charge of security should probably realize that the system lacks any form of effective user authentication. It may not by Sreegs job to do the testing, but somewhere down the line it has be someones job to make sure the testing gets done...
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:38:00 - [110] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Better Than You This is called Karma CCP. You did an unnecessary nerf to the real players who were busting their ass out in null sec by removing their ability to actually make any decent ISK. I strongly suggest you reverse that anomaly change and maybe the programing gods will smile on you once more. CCP Karma? When did he start working there? When does he publish a blog? Soon(tm)


CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:39:00 - [111] It has been an interesting weekend so far. Our shiny new forums havenÆt worked quite as expected and they have been going up and down a few times. We have opened up our trusted old forums for your posting pleasure and we will be keeping the new forums down until they can be sorted out. There will be more information on this on Monday. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you and we thank you for your patience and understanding. Wrangler Senior Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us If it's stupid but works, it isn't stupid.

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:39:00 - [112] I guess somebody is going to have a bad case of the Mondays :) Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
De'Veldrin Minmatar Self Preservation Society the 2nd	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:41:00 - [113] Edited by: De''Veldrin on 10/04/2011 00:43:08 Originally by: Tippia àhopefullyà Tippia, I have often said you have the patience of a saint, but I think you may have moved into a state bordering on denial at this point. --Vel Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:41:00 - [114] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Sig: If it's stupid but works, it isn't stupid. What if its stupid and it doesnt work? ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs
Nypheas Azurai	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:41:00 - [115] 1) Use phpBB 2) hire php mod team, fire EVEGate asp.net team 3) ??? 4) Have working, customizable, user-friendly forums. Receive bacon and remove egg off face.
Mortania Minmatar Kinetic Cartel Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:41:00 - [116] Originally by: Durzel If Sreegs isn't a web developer then how can you expect him to know whether something is exploitable or not? I would not expect an information security position in most companies to be responsible for, or have any real input on, the development of a website beyond advising on how to use, store, transmit customer data, etc. many companies outsource security testing. there are whole other companies dedicated to telling you about your security flaws and providing solutions on how to fix them. I hear they aren't too expensive for what you get from them, either. PS: I've also heard that there are outsourcable QA companies.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:42:00 - [117] Needed to give the web dev team some time to set up the PHPBB, eh? Ye'llo?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:42:00 - [118] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 00:42:11 Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: CCP Wrangler Sig: If it's stupid but works, it isn't stupid. What if its stupid and it doesnt work? Then you shoot the messenger, then roll back. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Titus Phook	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:42:00 - [119] Originally by: Durzel If Sreegs isn't a web developer then how can you expect him to know whether something is exploitable or not? I would not expect an information security position in most companies to be responsible for, or have any real input on, the development of a website beyond advising on how to use, store, transmit customer data, etc. He may not be a web developer but the buck has to stop somewhere. I'll give CCP Sreegs his due though the man has "balls of steel"Ö facing down botters, RMT operations and now the disgruntled forum population. ---------------------------------------------
Ulmega	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:42:00 - [120] Originally by: CCP Wrangler It has been an interesting weekend so far. Our shiny new forums havenÆt worked quite as expected and they have been going up and down a few times. We have opened up our trusted old forums for your posting pleasure and we will be keeping the new forums down until they can be sorted out. There will be more information on this on Monday. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you and we thank you for your patience and understanding. Inconvenience? My dear friend this is a blessing to many of us who love this old place we call home. The only inconvenience we had where that we couldn't enter our house for several days and had to stay at some basic 2 star hotel.



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