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CCP Fallout	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:26:00 - [1] Heya guys, We wanted to give you an update on where we currently stand with the new forums and the things we have been working on over the last week. As indicated in CCP Sreegs last blog, our investigation regarding the security issues and our process evaluation is still on-going. Next week, OccamÆs Razor will meet and work on a new testing plan based on the internal post mortem, and discuss moving forward with releasing a better, solid, new forum software for you to use. CCP Rhayger is also working on a dev blog, which will address some of the issues, concerns and questions you have expressed to us, particularly our use of the Yet Another Forum software package. The new forums are a high priority for us, and we continue to work on improving them, and hope to provide you with more solid information regarding the next iteration of them over the coming weeks. We thank you for all of your feedback, and hope you continue to discuss the new forums with us as we move forward. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:31:00 - [2] thank you for this update. communication is really all we ask. If you promise to finish something in 2 weeks, well, you don't have to finish in 2 weeks, you just have to tell us where your at in 2 weeks, or the forum trolls go crazy. so thank for you for the transparency, it' much appreciated.
Asura Cascade	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:33:00 - [3] Originally by: MotherMoon thank you for this update. communication is really all we ask. If you promise to finish something in 2 weeks, well, you don't have to finish in 2 weeks, you just have to tell us where your at in 2 weeks, or the forum trolls go crazy. so thank for you for the transparency, it' much appreciated. Amen to that. Thanks for the update.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:35:00 - [4] Thanks for the update Fallout. I'm really looking forward to the upcoming dev blog. I'll reserve further commentary until then. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:37:00 - [5] Just out of curiosity, do you still have copies (or notes) from the first and second testing round on the SiSi database? A lot of good comments and suggestions were made in those threads, and much of that feedback might be lost in the ire over the somewhat troubled roll-out the forums gotà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Anulla Bequin Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:38:00 - [6] Agreed. Just keep the communication going. Doesn't matter if you need months to fix it, as long as you keep us in the loop, we're a patient lot. Well, most of us.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:39:00 - [7] I will be watching with interest. I suggest you leave the blog factual and devoid of the more common "jokes" and insulting platitudes. This was a very serious breach of customer confidence and I expect it to be treated accordingly (no funny defenestration videos please.)
Ai Mei Starfish Operating Syndicate	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:41:00 - [8] In before Akita rage.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:43:00 - [9] Thanks for the update. I really hope you'll listen to the feedback this time round and make changes accordingly. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
mkint	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:46:00 - [10] Another year to implement the suggestions posted in testing would be better than the same forums (with the security fix or no) released, well, ever. In fact, I wouldn't even release the new forums at all before making spacebook not suck. Even after all this time, spacebook itself is still not ready to go live. The fact that the two are tied together at all is worse than a joke.

Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:48:00 - [11] Bravo for the communication. Looking forward to the coming dev blog. On a side note, I want to stress again, CCP, please don't release unpolished stuff again like the failed new forum. It absolutely sucked to be a paying customer seeing their money going into producing "rubbish".
Xercodo Amarr Daj'Juntar	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:50:00 - [12] ( '.')-b -------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
T'Laar Bok	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:50:00 - [13] If the only user option on the new forum is to change the text size I'm going to spontaneously combust
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:51:00 - [14] Have you reconsidered the decision to not migrate the current forum across to the new one?
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.15 18:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Ai Mei In before Akita rage. Damn you! Thanks for the note Fallout. Please keep the communication open and as transparent as possible and we'll love ya for it. Can't wait for the new forums to go live again! ~Gnosis~
Mara Villoso	Posted - 2011.04.15 19:05:00 - [16] I'd be interested to know whether all of the old posts will be wiped from the new forums. I put a fair amount of work into the new Shops and Services thread on the Sell forums. I wasn't able to copy them before the forums were finally taken down. It sure would be nice to have even the raw text for it. Any help/info would be appreciated.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.04.15 19:38:00 - [17] Thanks for the update. Make sure it works before you close the old one this time. The old forums are lacking but have been sufficient for many years and will do just fine while you work to make the new one a worthy replacement to the old one. There is little point in replacing a working but lacking old forum with a buggy and lacking new one.
Mortania Minmatar Kinetic Cartel Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.04.15 19:44:00 - [18] Yay! Thank you for the communication. As others have said, this is the most important part of what we're looking for. Regular updates about what's going on.
Bodrul Caldari The Illuminatii Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:06:00 - [19] really need to ask this why doesnt CCP do what other companies do buy License to IPB or VB and then modify the software to the liking of CCP. and at the end of the day have a forum with better features and interface compared to the new one which is horrid. ............ "you dont need a reason or a three piece suit to argue the truth" Game Reviews
Plenor Garlin	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:12:00 - [20] Why can't you just use one of the 1,000,000 forum software out there like every other sane person?

Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:18:00 - [21] NOOOOOO Keep the old forums >.< Or dont shut these down so ppl that DONT want to use the new eyesore forums dont HAVE to -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:21:00 - [22] Yes I would also like to see an IPB forum. I've always found them to be secure and full of features I like.
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:38:00 - [23] Keep the old forums! (Read this thread, CCP)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:59:00 - [24] Edited by: Akita T on 15/04/2011 21:03:47 Two things. One, what exactly is the technical difficulty stopping you from migrating the content of this forum over to the new forum ? It's not like you need multiple people with a doctorate degree in computer sciences to write something that would copy over some text records and their structure (regardless of their number, and how long it takes for the process to complete is mostly irrelevant too). So there must be some other reason. What is that reason exactly ? Two, do you even plan to address a sizable portion the myriad issues people had (even since the first test run) with regards to readability, aspect and so on and so forth ? You know, just to know for sure whether most of that feedback was basically just a waste of time on our part or not (because on rollout day it sure looked like it was). It was basically a slap in the face for all the people that use the forums heavily and who didn't like some aspects of it. _ CCP LEADERSHIP MENTALITY NEEDS TO CHANGE FAST ! "New junky features sell, old polished content doesn't" ? KILL IT WITH FIRE.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Plenor Garlin Why can't you just use one of the 1,000,000 forum software out there like every other sane person? Because they would then need to break that, to keep it in line with everything else around here. ---------------------------------------- Looking for a good system, or area, to AFK Cloak. PM me with infos, or if you want a partner to be AFK with.
Aderata Nonkin Amarr	Posted - 2011.04.15 21:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Ai Mei In before Akita rage. æIf you are not big enough to lose, then you are not big enough to win.Æ
Ban Doga	Posted - 2011.04.15 21:07:00 - [27] Are you considering to have a test-phase during which the community is challenged to break the forums before you switch over to having them as the only forum with (potentially) sensitive content? Apparently people try/manage to break it even if you don't ask for it and some proved to be rather good and fast at it too...
Dalketh	Posted - 2011.04.15 21:15:00 - [28] In before Akita works self up into a pit bull like froth... oops too late...
Valator Uel Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.04.15 21:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Akita T Three, why force us to switch to the new forums by closing down the old ones completely ? You should have a transitional period in which both are open, then start limiting creation of new threads in the old one after a couple of weeks, then reduce the autolockdown duration to a couple of days, and only close them down about a month or so later, when the new forum is deemed stable and usable enough. And no, it was not stable NOR usable enough when you rolled it out last time. And it had nothing to do with the security issues either. Honestly, if they migrate these forums to the new one then they might as well shut this one down and only allow posting on the new one. There will be no need to archive something visible on the new forums (except archiving because of herpderps). ------------------ empty sig
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.15 22:05:00 - [30] If. _ CCP LEADERSHIP MENTALITY NEEDS TO CHANGE FAST ! "New junky features sell, old polished content doesn't" ? KILL IT WITH FIRE.

Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.04.15 22:26:00 - [31] I have written a good deal of content in the new forum. Will you wipe it clean? Is it possible to somehow get my text off it? Even a read only copy would do. Auditing \| Research \| 3rd Party \| Collateral Holding \| EvE RL Charity
Scorpyn Caldari Warp Ghosts Omega Spectres of the Deep	Posted - 2011.04.15 22:55:00 - [32] Originally by: CCP Fallout ...The new forums are a high priority for us... This makes me somewhat puzzled. I do understand that you've been working on if for a while and want it to be done, but... maybe it's just me, but I don't really see why the new forums are needed at all. What's wrong with the current/old forums?
Fearless M0F0 Aliastra	Posted - 2011.04.15 23:09:00 - [33] Originally by: Scorpyn This makes me somewhat puzzled. I do understand that you've been working on if for a while and want it to be done, but... maybe it's just me, but I don't really see why the new forums are needed at all. What's wrong with the current/old forums? Dude, look at the url bar: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp Do you see the last part? (.asp), that's 10+ year old technology, must be hell to maintain. I bet they have COM objects in there -- I take offense on people feeling offended by me
Steve Thomas Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.15 23:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Akita T If. And .End of line. If your too paranoid to play EvE. . . ...then your not paranoid enough to play EvE ----------------
Amberlamps	Posted - 2011.04.16 00:07:00 - [35] Do not want.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.16 00:18:00 - [36] I would like to know what the gameplan from CCP is if the forums are exploited again.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.04.16 00:32:00 - [37] Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya guys, We wanted to give you an update on where we currently stand with the new forums and the things we have been working on over the last week. As indicated in CCP Sreegs last blog, our investigation regarding the security issues and our process evaluation is still on-going. Next week, OccamÆs Razor will meet and work on a new testing plan based on the internal post mortem, and discuss moving forward with releasing a better, solid, new forum software for you to use. CCP Rhayger is also working on a dev blog, which will address some of the issues, concerns and questions you have expressed to us, particularly our use of the Yet Another Forum software package. The new forums are a high priority for us, and we continue to work on improving them, and hope to provide you with more solid information regarding the next iteration of them over the coming weeks. We thank you for all of your feedback, and hope you continue to discuss the new forums with us as we move forward. A dev blog will cover only so much... You guys should really do a Q&A session on the new forums. Prospecting!
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.16 00:34:00 - [38] You have to realise blogs only serve one corporate purpose, to further your career by being "visible". Look boss, Im being visible to the community! Promote me.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.04.16 01:56:00 - [39] In after Akita T page 1 rage.
iOSJake	Posted - 2011.04.16 02:55:00 - [40] These old forums are just fine. I hope that in the new forums you can implement the same character from in-game set-up that we have here. Where we are posting using our in-game persona.

Richard Aiel Caldari FireTech Industries	Posted - 2011.04.16 03:42:00 - [41] Originally by: iOSJake These old forums are just fine. I hope that in the new forums you can implement the same character from in-game set-up that we have here. Where we are posting using our in-game persona. this. ----------------------------------------- If you dont learn from the past you are doomed to repeat it http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1469262&page=2#51
Reislier Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.16 04:01:00 - [42] There is a huge resource of information in these old forums. I spend many hours searching for information about ship specifications, techniques, and a long list of material which have been most useful over the years. Is unfortunate to lose.
Mal Darkrunner Caldari Zero Tau Research Institute	Posted - 2011.04.16 05:09:00 - [43] Thanks for the update. I actually quite liked the new forums, though there were a few minor issues. Looking forward to having them back at some point!
gargars	Posted - 2011.04.16 06:23:00 - [44] Import all the 'old' content from our beloved forums to the new - or you totally TOTALLY fail. It's a no-brainier and hasn't that been mentioned enough? How you can think of not doing so is ridiculous and incredibly arrogant and rude. It's a slap in the face to anyone who has posted ALL THESE YEARS. I cut a lot of slack over minor quibbles... but this is RIDICULOUS.
Dalketh	Posted - 2011.04.16 06:36:00 - [45] This EXACTLY. How you could consider starting a new forum without the content of what has been supplied by your customers for years up until now is outrageous. Trolling aside there is so much valuable information here it boggles the mind, and is stunningly insulting to toss aside. I can't believe you are even considering this path. Originally by: gargars Import all the 'old' content from our beloved forums to the new - or you totally TOTALLY fail. It's a no-brainier and hasn't that been mentioned enough? How you can think of not doing so is ridiculous and incredibly arrogant and rude. It's a slap in the face to anyone who has posted ALL THESE YEARS. I cut a lot of slack over minor quibbles... but this is RIDICULOUS.
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.04.16 09:45:00 - [46] Originally by: gargars Import all the 'old' content from our beloved forums to the new - or you totally TOTALLY fail. It's a no-brainier and hasn't that been mentioned enough? How you can think of not doing so is ridiculous and incredibly arrogant and rude. It's a slap in the face to anyone who has posted ALL THESE YEARS. I cut a lot of slack over minor quibbles... but this is RIDICULOUS. This comprehensive archive of trolling, *****ing, whining, flaming and raging should just go up in flames, the internet would be a better place without it.
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.16 10:06:00 - [47] Originally by: gargars Import all the 'old' content from our beloved forums to the new - or you totally TOTALLY fail. It's a no-brainier and hasn't that been mentioned enough? How you can think of not doing so is ridiculous and incredibly arrogant and rude. It's a slap in the face to anyone who has posted ALL THESE YEARS. I cut a lot of slack over minor quibbles... but this is RIDICULOUS. If you honestly believe great pearls wisdom might get lost with the forum migration, so that future generations are unable to benefit from your great mind, then I recommend to backup all your postings. Linkage Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.16 12:18:00 - [48] Originally by: gargars Import all the 'old' content from our beloved forums to the new - or you totally TOTALLY fail. It's a no-brainier and hasn't that been mentioned enough? How you can think of not doing so is ridiculous and incredibly arrogant and rude. It's a slap in the face to anyone who has posted ALL THESE YEARS. I cut a lot of slack over minor quibbles... but this is RIDICULOUS. I've got 12,000 posts and I'm not complaining. I hate the current forums THAT MUCH.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.04.16 12:30:00 - [49] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: gargars Import all the 'old' content from our beloved forums to the new - or you totally TOTALLY fail. It's a no-brainier and hasn't that been mentioned enough? How you can think of not doing so is ridiculous and incredibly arrogant and rude. It's a slap in the face to anyone who has posted ALL THESE YEARS. I cut a lot of slack over minor quibbles... but this is RIDICULOUS. I've got 12,000 posts and I'm not complaining. I hate the current forums THAT MUCH. We're not complaining either, we hate your 12,000 posts THAT MUCH. We also hate mine, so the whole transfer thing is 'meh' to me. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.16 16:12:00 - [50] àspeaking of which, I just noticed I broke into the Top 10. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Rosalina Sarinna Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Tertius	Posted - 2011.04.16 17:21:00 - [51] Update appreciated
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.16 17:34:00 - [52] EVE doesn't wipe out all existing chars every expension. EVE forum shouldn't wipe out all existing on-going discussions during an upgrade.
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.04.16 17:56:00 - [53] Originally by: dexington This comprehensive archive of trolling, *****ing, whining, flaming and raging should just go up in flames, the internet would be a better place without it. If they thought like that we wouldnt HAVE forums. Dont give them ideas ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2011.04.16 21:38:00 - [54] From my perspective the biggest problem with these old forums is the lack of a working search function. (Aside: talk about an insane problem to have -- is there any reason that couldn't have been fixed in one developer-day, any time in the last five years?) Moving forward, it follows that a working search function is the biggest benefit of the new forums. Only, what good is that if none of the years of accumulated content is in the database and available to be searched? Not migrating the old threads is completely pants-on-head. Hell, hire a summer intern, bring him to Iceland, let him spend the summer doing it manually if need be. It's not rocket science. ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.16 22:07:00 - [55] Are we there yet
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.04.17 01:48:00 - [56] Edited by: Mutnin on 17/04/2011 01:48:29 VBulletin would fix your issues and would make the forums much more pleasant to post on.
Merouk Baas Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.17 11:10:00 - [57] Good luck. To mirror the language you used, we look forward to seeing the new secure, "solid," and bug-free forums, and once you (finally?) achieve said solidity and freedom from bugs with one piece of software, we will hold you to this new standard of quality with all of the other software products, already published or future projects, that CCP is managing. Keep up the good work.
Craven Aleros	Posted - 2011.04.17 12:00:00 - [58] All the negative energy generated on these forums is feeding the river of ectoplasmic slime bubbling beneath Iceland! It wasn't lava that caused the volanco near Eyjafjallajokull to erupt, it was the slime; and if these forums continue we could be looking at a disaster of biblical proportions! _____________ I got beef...
Gibbo5771	Posted - 2011.04.17 13:02:00 - [59] Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya guys, The new forums are a high priority for us, and we continue to work on improving them, and hope to provide you with more solid information regarding the next iteration of them over the coming weeks. We thank you for all of your feedback, and hope you continue to discuss the new forums with us as we move forward. Please for the love of god, get your fkin priorities right. I dont care and I really dont understand what is going through the heads of people who do
Bhattran	Posted - 2011.04.17 16:57:00 - [60] First a better 'new forum' seems like it would be months if not years away, unless your definition of better is one without the security holes already released on us all. If you actually make it significantly better not withstanding huge security flaws I think we'd all welcome them much more but I highly doubt that is what we'll get. Your work on the new forum indicates it isn't a high priority for you and you don't take it seriously or our issues/concerns with it either. Case in point shoddy job on release, failure to acknowledge or implement many 'basic' features/functions asked for in testing. Otherwise there is no point in testing like we've seen before where you seem to be pushing stuff on us and are expecting lots of 'oh awesome' instead of actual useful feedback which those who tested gave you. I'd add that I'd much rather keep the old forum as is over migrating it to the new ones as I loathe using the new ones and would rather search/navigate old threads in the beauty that is the 'old' or current forums. Furthermore migration almost certainly means the termination of the current/old forums meaning the only source for that information would be the new forums. It is for that reason I say no to migration as it would likely be only a matter of time before these were wiped if it didn't happen right after data was 'successfully' migrated only to find that didn't really happen. Fly as you please pilots...

J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:04:00 - [61] Originally by: Bhattran I'd add that I'd much rather keep the old forum as is over migrating it to the new ones as I loathe using the new ones and would rather search/navigate old threads in the beauty that is the 'old' or current forums. Furthermore migration almost certainly means the termination of the current/old forums meaning the only source for that information would be the new forums. It is for that reason I say no to migration as it would likely be only a matter of time before these were wiped if it didn't happen right after data was 'successfully' migrated only to find that didn't really happen. No, actually they're being locked and kept here as an archive. Presumably forever (I hope). ~Gnosis~
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.04.18 01:12:00 - [62] Seems like I picked a good time to dump eve for wot. Hell the wot forums are even better. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
Bodrul Caldari The Illuminatii Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.04.18 11:25:00 - [63] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Seems like I picked a good time to dump eve for wot. Hell the wot forums are even better. thats because WOT use IPB :P would be nice if someone from CCP could reply on why they must use inferior forum software compared to others ............ "you dont need a reason or a three piece suit to argue the truth" Game Reviews
Thokul Orebiter Amarr The Return Of Outcasts Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.18 11:45:00 - [64] I wonder why does CCP need to use Yet Another Forum, when there are so many better forum packages around.Even the free SMF and phpbb3 are better.IPB is class for itself.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.04.18 14:32:00 - [65] I have to agree, I too like IPB. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.04.18 20:11:00 - [66] Originally by: Helicity Boson I will be watching with interest. I suggest you leave the blog factual and devoid of the more common "jokes" and insulting platitudes. This was a very serious breach of customer confidence and I expect it to be treated accordingly (no funny defenestration videos please.) Just wanted to quote this as the usual derp funny blog will only incite more rage at the moment.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.04.18 20:18:00 - [67] Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 18/04/2011 20:18:40 So any bets if we will see the new forums live before or after the Incarna release?
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 23:12:00 - [68] Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: Helicity Boson I will be watching with interest. I suggest you leave the blog factual and devoid of the more common "jokes" and insulting platitudes. This was a very serious breach of customer confidence and I expect it to be treated accordingly (no funny defenestration videos please.) Just wanted to quote this as the usual derp funny blog will only incite more rage at the moment. Disagree, CCP should keep their usual humor. (Simply because I want to see how many will rage over it.)
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.04.19 00:25:00 - [69] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: Helicity Boson I will be watching with interest. I suggest you leave the blog factual and devoid of the more common "jokes" and insulting platitudes. This was a very serious breach of customer confidence and I expect it to be treated accordingly (no funny defenestration videos please.) Just wanted to quote this as the usual derp funny blog will only incite more rage at the moment. Disagree, CCP should keep their usual humor. (Simply because I want to see how many will rage over it.) Once CCP lose its usual humor then you need to start worrying about the game going belly up. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2011.04.19 01:11:00 - [70] I don't really mind one way or another if we get new forums but there is realy little wrong with the current ones and the new ones should have at least every function we can use on here. I also don;t think you should import the old stuff there has been too muchc rap posted since forums came about it would just slow the new system down totally better to just leave the old stuff archived or only transfer the last 2 weeks of stuff. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!

Ghengis Tia	Posted - 2011.04.19 15:30:00 - [71] As an information exchange I see little wrong with the current forums. That should be the primary unit of measure dictating forum design. The new forums take longer to navigate, and are therefore provide a slower exchange of information. If the unit of measure is eye candy, large avatars (who the hell cares?), or mimicking other social network lovefests then the new forums are da bomb. Bottom line is that I will use the forums less and post less. Which of course, defeats the purpose of an exchange of ideas and opinions.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.04.19 20:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Tippia Just out of curiosity, do you still have copies (or notes) from the first and second testing round on the SiSi database? A lot of good comments and suggestions were made in those threads, and much of that feedback might be lost in the ire over the somewhat troubled roll-out the forums gotà Yes, like polls and stuff ........ ^^
Hoya en Marland	Posted - 2011.04.20 00:27:00 - [73] Best update on new forums would be that you scrapped them. Honestly.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.20 14:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Thokul Orebiter I wonder why does CCP need to use Yet Another Forum, when there are so many better forum packages around.Even the free SMF and phpbb3 are better.IPB is class for itself. Because it's ASP, whereas most of those other packages are PHP or JSP. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tuggboat Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.21 00:12:00 - [75] Yes I look forward to their arguments for that package. I fully support open source and have been interested in an asp package for years. One can setup the other system on the Microsoft servers but I agree they should try to use the platform they have chosen. Theres probably a lot that will fall together better on upgrades. Sometimes just the way a null is handled can cascade through all kinds of applications for months. I'd rather we stay inegrated into one platform instead of mixing them. I'd really like to know what is so hard about developing a good forum package on the MS platform though. Is it that its not popular in the business community and just has less long term development or is it that the platform is weak and Forums are an Achilles heal? Forums certainly make Microsoft look like its getting it's pants pulled down.
Thokul Orebiter Amarr The Return Of Outcasts Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.21 07:35:00 - [76] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Thokul Orebiter I wonder why does CCP need to use Yet Another Forum, when there are so many better forum packages around.Even the free SMF and phpbb3 are better.IPB is class for itself. Because it's ASP, whereas most of those other packages are PHP or JSP. Still, that is no reason to implement inferior forum software.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.21 10:28:00 - [77] Originally by: Thokul Orebiter Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Thokul Orebiter I wonder why does CCP need to use Yet Another Forum, when there are so many better forum packages around.Even the free SMF and phpbb3 are better.IPB is class for itself. Because it's ASP, whereas most of those other packages are PHP or JSP. Still, that is no reason to implement inferior forum software. actually, considering the rest of the webfront architecture, yeah it's needed (afaik? the rest of it is in ASP, right?) also, why inferior? just asking btw. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
William Henry McGregor	Posted - 2011.04.21 12:14:00 - [78] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: CCP Fallout but... maybe it's just me, but I don't really see why the new forums are needed at all. What's wrong with the current/old forums? You know... EVEGate is a failure, no one ever uses this Facebook look-a-like, at least not after setting the security from US to world standards: that's NOT share anything without consent. To force all of us to use this facebook **, they decided to move to a new forum... After they probably tried 5 more times, they can show nice big numbers of users on the powerpoint - and... surprise, surprise **book is now a big success. It's all about US corporate thinking, this has nothing to do with reality. Big numbers/bars on powerpoint, that's all that matters.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.21 12:20:00 - [79] CCP can give all players a stack of Post-Its as their next forum for all I care. I am good with anything. I have talked about things in the past and nothing CCP does will stop me from talking in the future. It is interesting to see how players use the old forum to talk about the new forum... It is as if everyone is only using the old forum to train for writing on the new forum. Well then, keep up the exercise!! Shall all of you become masters. --
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.22 05:02:00 - [80] Are we there yet?

Bodrul Caldari The Illuminatii Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.04.24 12:08:00 - [81] so no one from CCP going to reply in their sticky? ............ "you dont need a reason or a three piece suit to argue the truth" Game Reviews
Gangster101 PureLove	Posted - 2011.04.25 00:54:00 - [82] I want the new forums back. Looked tons better than these :))
mkint	Posted - 2011.04.25 03:01:00 - [83] Originally by: Bodrul so no one from CCP going to reply in their sticky? Haven't you been paying attention? CCP's given up on the players. The only time they've posted on the forums this past month is to give bad news with very little information and no follow up. I know, CCP's track record for addressing player concerns sucks like a Vietnamese prostitute, but we're definitely at a low point.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.04.27 14:03:00 - [84] DO NOT WANT NEW FORUMS LIKE OLD FORUMS OLD FORUMS WORK FINE - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OLD FORUM I ♥ YOU, NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN!
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.04.28 18:54:00 - [85] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: Helicity Boson I will be watching with interest. I suggest you leave the blog factual and devoid of the more common "jokes" and insulting platitudes. This was a very serious breach of customer confidence and I expect it to be treated accordingly (no funny defenestration videos please.) Just wanted to quote this as the usual derp funny blog will only incite more rage at the moment. Disagree, CCP should keep their usual humor. (Simply because I want to see how many will rage over it.) <rage>CCP's blog based "humor" is trite and infantile. Whomever is editing the blogs and giving the green light to some of the slop published should be demoted to cleaning the company toilets with their toothbrush after a company-sponsored booze fest. </rage> Additionally, the writing style(s) used furthers the perception that CCP personnel have little respect for their customers. CCP has the power to use dev blogs to retain customers and build goodwill with the community. Whether CCP makes the choice to do so is another matter.
Raoul deChagny	Posted - 2011.04.28 19:30:00 - [86] Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara Additionally, the writing style(s) used furthers the perception that CCP personnel have little respect for their customers. I thought the past month of CCP troll patches and troll posts made it pretty clear that they most definitely do NOT have respect for their customers. I, for one, love being thought of as a cash pinata.
Aston Martin DB5	Posted - 2011.04.28 21:58:00 - [87] I would love to see the new forums go back live! No updates and it has been a few weeks
rootimus maximus Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.29 13:49:00 - [88] Originally by: MotherMoon thank you for this update. communication is really all we ask. If you promise to finish something in 2 weeks, well, you don't have to finish in 2 weeks, you just have to tell us where your at in 2 weeks Would love to see CCP really take this feedback to heart (and not just in relation to the new forum).
Chris Fierce Caldari NoD Imperium	Posted - 2011.04.30 20:54:00 - [89] Originally by: CCP Fallout The new forums are a high priority for us, and we continue to work on improving them, and hope to provide you with more solid information regarding the next iteration of them over the coming weeks. We thank you for all of your feedback, and hope you continue to discuss the new forums with us as we move forward. Surely there are a multitude of problems within the game that should really be "High priority" no? And yes, I called you Shirley. --------------------------- I gashmoygadied her gaflavity with my googus and won 500 mill.
BLACK-STAR	Posted - 2011.05.09 23:43:00 - [90] ✖ Bring back old cyno effect ✖ New revamped POS system ✖ New T3 ships ✖ Sound?.. ✖ New stations and dedicated trade hub stations ✖ No skillpoint loss with T3 skills ✖ Unlimited fittings. ✖ Custom mapped sound effects off local HDD for low shield/arm/hull warnings. ✖ New bounty system ✖ Remapped DRONE interface ✖ new forums lol wh-what are we doing with this?? ✖ Comets ✖ New ships, modules, icons ✔ dolls ✔ Unlimited character portrait changes for free CCP says: Progress. Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya guys, The new forums are a high priority for us. Fantastic story bro.



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