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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Miso Hawnee Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 11/05/2011 22:54:39
Originally by: Tommy Blue
Originally by: Miso Hawnee What we have is the ability to wield the power of super fleets without the requirement to have a port. Seems a bit off balance doesn't it?
Its called a staging pos. Kill all of their staging posses, and they will go away.
So the Titans and Nyx that did drive bys in P-2 for over a month had a staging pos? No they had a cloaking device and then logged off. Supers don't need a POS to stage in, they simply need their own account and they can use the log on / log off mechanics as a form of invulnerability. There is no counter offensive to this. The aggressor gets to dictate all the terms, and the defensive potentials in this game have become increasingly impotent over the cycles of design.
If your going to start crying about super capitals now then I suggest you give a look at my two proposals here and here.
Simple changes that will put them at greaters risk for the lazy.
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:12:00 -
[1742]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Miso Hawnee Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 11/05/2011 22:54:39
Originally by: Tommy Blue
Originally by: Miso Hawnee What we have is the ability to wield the power of super fleets without the requirement to have a port. Seems a bit off balance doesn't it?
Its called a staging pos. Kill all of their staging posses, and they will go away.
So the Titans and Nyx that did drive bys in P-2 for over a month had a staging pos? No they had a cloaking device and then logged off. Supers don't need a POS to stage in, they simply need their own account and they can use the log on / log off mechanics as a form of invulnerability. There is no counter offensive to this. The aggressor gets to dictate all the terms, and the defensive potentials in this game have become increasingly impotent over the cycles of design.
If your going to start crying about super capitals now then I suggest you give a look at my two proposals here and here.
Simple changes that will put them at greaters risk for the lazy.
That is a good start, but it doesn't touch the problem of buffer tank loggoffski. There was an aeon with that nyx that lived. Logged off with smart bombs hot for 15 minutes (killing silly frigates lol) before disappearing in half armor.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:13:00 -
[1743]
Originally by: Steel Dragon 1. How do capital ships get into friendly station systems that are cyno jammed if we can't use a jb?
Turn off the cyno jammer.
Originally by: Steel Dragon 2. Why do you think having a JB highway is wrong? We took a lot of time and effort to build them so yes they should be slightly safer and tbh I have lost more ships from JB's then stargates.
That is because with the current JB network, when do you ever need to use a gate?
Originally by: Steel Dragon If it isn't broken don't fix it
But it is broken.
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Megy Feel
V.L.A.S.T. V.L.A.S.T
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:15:00 -
[1744]
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Originally by: Megy Feel
Quote: So the Titans and Nyx that did drive bys in P-2 for over a month had a staging pos? No they had a cloaking device and then logged off. Supers don't need a POS to stage in, they simply need their own account and they can use the log on / log off mechanics as a form of invulnerability. There is no counter offensive to this. The aggressor gets to dictate all the terms, and the defensive potentials in this game have become increasingly impotent over the cycles of design.
Titan drive bys and cloaking device doesn't mix very well mate...
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7148623
O'rlly
Nyx isn't titan mate, and yes http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9175597 Rly
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:17:00 -
[1745]
Originally by: Miso Hawnee That is a good start, but it doesn't touch the problem of buffer tank loggoffski. There was an aeon with that nyx that lived. Logged off with smart bombs hot for 15 minutes (killing silly frigates lol) before disappearing in half armor.
I hate the 15 minute timer too. It is a dumb mechanic. I am of the belief that the timer should start from the last player agression, logged on or not, before it disappear.
On a side note... LOL @ said frigates who continued to Leroy into smartbombs for 15 minutes!!!
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Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:28:00 -
[1746]
Originally by: Tommy Blue
Originally by: Miso Hawnee What we have is the ability to wield the power of super fleets without the requirement to have a port. Seems a bit off balance doesn't it?
Its called a staging pos. Kill all of their staging posses, and they will go away.
Kill all the staging POSes and they put down new ones. They're cheap, it's easy to do, and I've seen it happen plenty of times.
What they need to do is make NPC station services disableable, and add a service that allows ships to be fitted/boarded/docked. When disabled, make them unrepairable, just have it so they come online after a few days. If they want to use NPC stations to launch an offensive against player controlled space, they should be subject to the same requirements of defending your staging system as anyone else, otherwise it's just imbalanced.
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Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:32:00 -
[1747]
SOUNDWAVE YOU ARE HAWT
since you stopping ships with jump drives using a jumbbridge, can ships with jump drives be stopped from using titan bridges?
just curious -----------------------------------------------
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Gourdo
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:34:00 -
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The last alliance I was in it was nothing but constant pvp. So much so I had basically no time to rat/mine to earn income. There is nothing wrong with the JB's as they are. I very very rarely got to use jb's. So removing the JB networks which is what this change actually is, and reducing JB capacity (no jump capable ships can use) Is just what some unnamed major alliances want to give them a edge or nullify their enemies home field advantage. In my opinion this has nothing to with making null more dangerous or making more opportunities for pvp. It is all about favoritism and alliance politics. Look at CSM. Once major sov holding alliances trying to get back sov space. So JB network nerf works in their favor my nullifying their enemies home field advantage; as well as, costing the current sov holders economically.
Just stating how I see it and what I read between the lines.
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Tango Zulu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:35:00 -
[1749]
Originally by: Sirus Prime
Note: We all realize that CCP isn't going to read this thread don't we?
No, they are. They were just smart enough to send someone who's apathetic to caring to do it. =^D
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Sirus Prime
Caldari Xero Corporation SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:37:00 -
[1750]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Steel Dragon 1. How do capital ships get into friendly station systems that are cyno jammed if we can't use a jb?
Turn off the cyno jammer.
Originally by: Steel Dragon 2. Why do you think having a JB highway is wrong? We took a lot of time and effort to build them so yes they should be slightly safer and tbh I have lost more ships from JB's then stargates.
That is because with the current JB network, when do you ever need to use a gate?
Originally by: Steel Dragon If it isn't broken don't fix it
But it is broken.
U mad bro? It's no question that NC. is for this nerf as it allows them to more easily (so they think) continue their crusade into the North. Same goes for PL, and it's sad that CCP is out to crush the machine that is the Northern Coalition because we broke their pride and joy (aforementioned as BoB/IT). Get over yourselves and leave the sandbox of Eve to the players, the way it was intended and the way it should be.
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zxsteel
Darkness Of Absolution
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:42:00 -
[1751]
Edited by: zxsteel on 11/05/2011 23:42:25 Make things simple! You don't like how 0.0 is going? Give feedback! or go to empire :-))! Things need to me shot at! j.k be nice to miners! I must have been here! |
The Suit Prime
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:44:00 -
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REALLY?? Ok CCP SOUNDWAVE, DO YOU EVEN PLAY THIS GAME?? It is becoming very apparent, you do not know your customers at all. Were you hired just to be a pain in all the players ***es? Look for a new job, because you do not know how to listen to your customers.
BTW have you seen what has happened to Blizzard just recently? They announced a 5% loss in WoW players mostly due to crappy changes to WoW and stale content. I'm pretty sure Fanfest requests to get help from current players to recruit new players is pretty much not on our "to do" list. I'm going to say that your going to need a serious intervention when SWTOR releases. Player issued nerf bat incoming CCP, be prepared for the fallout is all I have to say.
Hilmar, are you reading these player comments? seriously?
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souhyeahright
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:46:00 -
[1753]
Originally by: Yeep
Originally by: Dodgy Past
But then when I went to null I was told I'd have to earn access to my space and keep earning it day in day out, not promised that I'd be 100% safe ratting my heart out and sucking on the teat of Jita to buy every shiny toy my heart desired.
I live in a house, if someone shows up with demolition equipment to knock it down I'll defend it. If a bunch of children with sticks start beating on my walls and demanding my house falls over I'm going to ignore them.
And what would you do if those children turned up with a bunch of half-bricks and started throwing them at your windows, or brought knives and slashed your car's tires?
As any number of awful human beings will happily demonstrate, you don't have to knock a house down to mess with the people who live in it.
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WisdomPanda
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:49:00 -
[1754]
Originally by: "CCP Soundwave"
We're not really looking at that currently. My own personal thoughts about supercaps is that it's a shame there are all these meta-requirements in many alliances. Streamlining the ability to travel, so anyone in a supercap can join a fleet instead of "join fleet if you have a carrier and x number of skills at x level" would probably be a good way to encourage interaction. But yeah, not touching that just now.
You make changes that increase the effectiveness of the super cap blob while also reducing the potency of subcaps in response to said scaps, and you're not even thinking about it? You seem to want more people in scaps with LESS skills, while also increasing the ease of force projection?
The problem is, you are saying "I want to make it more dangerous!" but instead of dangerous, you are just making it 9,001 times more annoying, without adding any real danger. Yes, gates will now be slightly more used, but JB's them self will still be protected by the array of guns that seem to scare you so, making them just as safe as you ever thought they were (you thought incorrectly, just for the record), the net gain remains player annoyance.
Many, many, many, many, many, many, many people have given you examples of better ways to make them massively more dangerous, such as turn them into (effectively) player own gates. Instead, you are giving us nonsensical reasonings, proof that you aren't fully briefed on the impact and a time frame that is at the very least dubious.
On top of all this, with your recent "adjustments", you have further devalued holding sov in general. Part of the reward for holding space was the fact that you could make it marginally safer. You don't give us any other way besides JB's either, I might add. Exactly what, in your opinion, is the reward for holding sov now? S.cap production aside, since we'll all be losing them like drakes if you have your way. (So it seems) Incorrect answers include: "Your name in the top left" and "Sov upgrades" (being uselss in most systems now.)
The cherry on top of all this though, is the fact that you have already said that there are changes coming with a full review of nullsec. You have no immediate need to apply this "adjustment", assuming you are holding an impartial hand in all of this. Nullsec has been fine since you introduced JB's, it's not going to wreck nullsec as a whole while you take your time to think, plan and refine the up coming nullsec changes.
tl;dr?
Well created changes = excellent. Badly created orphan changes = bad. (This is where your change goes)
Quote: CCP's mission is to attract and retain customers by providing top quality online entertainment. CCP does this by establishing and nurturing a trust relationship with customers both in terms of quality of content as well as quality of service.
http://www.ccpgames.com/en/company/about-us.aspx
I'm not feeling very nurtured right now Soundwave. ----- Cheesecake, Natures ultimate weapon. |
Sirus Prime
Caldari Xero Corporation SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:53:00 -
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I, too am feeling this severe lack of "nurturing" even if that meant they gave us nothing and just left things how they are, which imho is PERFECTLY FINE.
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Elder Man
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:59:00 -
[1756]
Bunch of Smerf's in this thread.
I give CCP credit for distracting the players form the real problems of 0.0.
Elder Man |
Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 23:59:00 -
[1757]
Originally by: souhyeahright
Originally by: Yeep
Originally by: Dodgy Past
But then when I went to null I was told I'd have to earn access to my space and keep earning it day in day out, not promised that I'd be 100% safe ratting my heart out and sucking on the teat of Jita to buy every shiny toy my heart desired.
I live in a house, if someone shows up with demolition equipment to knock it down I'll defend it. If a bunch of children with sticks start beating on my walls and demanding my house falls over I'm going to ignore them.
And what would you do if those children turned up with a bunch of half-bricks and started throwing them at your windows, or brought knives and slashed your car's tires?
As any number of awful human beings will happily demonstrate, you don't have to knock a house down to mess with the people who live in it.
Remington 870 + Rock salt.
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Minigin
YOU JUST ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:05:00 -
[1758]
quote this if you think these changes are too moderate.
these changes really dont change as much as needs to be changed. the fact that there are people crying so hard about these changes when really they should be far more severe is making me lol. .
color poastar.
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:08:00 -
[1759]
Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 00:09:01
Originally by: Minigin quote this if you think these changes are too moderate.
these changes really dont change as much as needs to be changed. the fact that there are people crying so hard about these changes when really they should be far more severe is making me lol.
Oppinions are like *******s.. everybody has one
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Monakait
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:08:00 -
[1760]
Great start, looking forward to the rest of the changes
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Ohh Yeah
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:09:00 -
[1761]
No listening to the NC
No not believing in yourself
CCP, YOU ARE BROS.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:12:00 -
[1762]
Originally by: Ohh Yeah No listening to the NC
No not believing in yourself
CCP, YOU ARE BROS.
Timing is even perfect
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Alexander Knott
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:13:00 -
[1763]
Originally by: Sidus Sarmiang What they need to do is make NPC station services disableable, and add a service that allows ships to be fitted/boarded/docked. When disabled, make them unrepairable, just have it so they come online after a few days. If they want to use NPC stations to launch an offensive against player controlled space, they should be subject to the same requirements of defending your staging system as anyone else, otherwise it's just imbalanced.
This keeps coming up and I have no idea why. Do you really think this would help? It's not like people routinely disable station services on conquerable stations as it is. I can see this being disincentive to small pirate corps living in NPC 0.0, but it'd be pretty futile against an organization like PL. You'd either have to form a big ****off fleet to disable services or come with less and fight us (which you can do now just by forming a fleet and coming to FDZ).
I'm not really against the idea (though I would be if I were part of a smaller organization), it just seems like you'd spend two hours sitting at a POS while your fleet forms, all the while listening to DBRB and his dog telling you a 'funny story', fly/bridge to some NPC system where you'll conga around a structure which you can't even AFK shoot (because it shoots back) and then fly home. After which any of the merc/pirate alliances is just going to undock 50-100 triage carriers (which they need to move their **** around) and single cycle the services back up.
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Arthello
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:14:00 -
[1764]
Originally by: The Suit Prime REALLY?? Ok CCP SOUNDWAVE, DO YOU EVEN PLAY THIS GAME?? It is becoming very apparent, you do not know your customers at all. Were you hired just to be a pain in all the players ***es? Look for a new job, because you do not know how to listen to your customers.
BTW have you seen what has happened to Blizzard just recently? They announced a 5% loss in WoW players mostly due to crappy changes to WoW and stale content. I'm pretty sure Fanfest requests to get help from current players to recruit new players is pretty much not on our "to do" list. I'm going to say that your going to need a serious intervention when SWTOR releases. Player issued nerf bat incoming CCP, be prepared for the fallout is all I have to say.
Hilmar, are you reading these player comments? seriously?
LOL. They're not being a pain in all the players ***. Quite the contrary. It's CCP listening to their players that gave us this much needed JB nerf. I think Soundwave is doing a totally excellent job. This is exactly CCP's answer to your "stale content" and I'm loving it. Having JB up so carebears can roll around in nullsec without hitting gates is making EVE stale and carefree. EVE is what it is today by being brutal, annoying and hardcore but most of all different. Making EVE into a bad WoW or KOTOR clone would be the doom it. It's the hardcore playerbase that makes this game great. Not you iemoragequit because you nerfed me whiners. Instead of whining and crying NC should start to lay down plans on how to benefit from the new JB mechanics. Or at least lessen it's negative effects.
I find it funny how you NC/Goon people believe you have most of the playerbase on your side. You don't. It's just NC and Goons that are outraged. The rest is loving it so in that perspective it's a great change for the betterment of most. I'm just sad they didn't move the bridges altogether. Baby steps I guess. One step at a time. For the time being I'm happy. Now I'm gonna enjoy some more bitter tears.
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Ohh Yeah
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:15:00 -
[1765]
Originally by: The Suit Prime REALLY?? Ok CCP SOUNDWAVE, DO YOU EVEN PLAY THIS GAME?? It is becoming very apparent, you do not know your customers at all. Were you hired just to be a pain in all the players ***es? Look for a new job, because you do not know how to listen to your customers.
BTW have you seen what has happened to Blizzard just recently? They announced a 5% loss in WoW players mostly due to crappy changes to WoW and stale content. I'm pretty sure Fanfest requests to get help from current players to recruit new players is pretty much not on our "to do" list. I'm going to say that your going to need a serious intervention when SWTOR releases. Player issued nerf bat incoming CCP, be prepared for the fallout is all I have to say.
Hilmar, are you reading these player comments? seriously?
Go back to WoW
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:19:00 -
[1766]
Originally by: Arthello
Originally by: The Suit Prime REALLY?? Ok CCP SOUNDWAVE, DO YOU EVEN PLAY THIS GAME?? It is becoming very apparent, you do not know your customers at all. Were you hired just to be a pain in all the players ***es? Look for a new job, because you do not know how to listen to your customers.
BTW have you seen what has happened to Blizzard just recently? They announced a 5% loss in WoW players mostly due to crappy changes to WoW and stale content. I'm pretty sure Fanfest requests to get help from current players to recruit new players is pretty much not on our "to do" list. I'm going to say that your going to need a serious intervention when SWTOR releases. Player issued nerf bat incoming CCP, be prepared for the fallout is all I have to say.
Hilmar, are you reading these player comments? seriously?
LOL. They're not being a pain in all the players ***. Quite the contrary. It's CCP listening to their players that gave us this much needed JB nerf. I think Soundwave is doing a totally excellent job. This is exactly CCP's answer to your "stale content" and I'm loving it. Having JB up so carebears can roll around in nullsec without hitting gates is making EVE stale and carefree. EVE is what it is today by being brutal, annoying and hardcore but most of all different. Making EVE into a bad WoW or KOTOR clone would be the doom it. It's the hardcore playerbase that makes this game great. Not you iemoragequit because you nerfed me whiners. Instead of whining and crying NC should start to lay down plans on how to benefit from the new JB mechanics. Or at least lessen it's negative effects.
I find it funny how you NC/Goon people believe you have most of the playerbase on your side. You don't. It's just NC and Goons that are outraged. The rest is loving it so in that perspective it's a great change for the betterment of most. I'm just sad they didn't move the bridges altogether. Baby steps I guess. One step at a time. For the time being I'm happy. Now I'm gonna enjoy some more bitter tears.
Actually i think ur more like a very loud minority :)
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:19:00 -
[1767]
This entire thread is PL, DRF, and their pets vs. NC and Goons. -- Need a break from EVE? |
Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:21:00 -
[1768]
Originally by: captain foivos This entire thread is PL, DRF, and their pets vs. NC and Goons.
probably lol
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Alexander Knott
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:23:00 -
[1769]
Originally by: captain foivos This entire thread is PL, DRF, and their pets vs. NC and Goons.
You forgot the Goon pets. Looking at you TEST.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:29:00 -
[1770]
Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 00:31:25
Originally by: Alexander Knott
Originally by: captain foivos This entire thread is PL, DRF, and their pets vs. NC and Goons.
You forgot the Goon pets. Looking at you TEST.
And proud \o/ goons are pretty funny to fly with. Goon friends best friends.. loyal friends = rare commodity.
Id rather be a goon pet then a drf pet. but thats a matter of taste i guess.
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