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Blasters dont need more damage though, there damage without drones is superrior to autos

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Originally by: AlleyKat

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Fix the ships, not the guns.

The (lack) of effectiveness with hybrid blasters are because of not being able to dictate range during close range combat, and web bonuses not being what they need to be for Gallente ships.

This was because of the 'Gallente nerf' patch several years ago.

Although it (in general) made necessary changes to some aspects of EVE ship combat, it effectively killed off Gallente close range PvP with blasters.

Buff the ships, not the guns - the guns worked just fine and dandy before the patch.

Gallente are not the only ships with drones and unless you are going to give me back skill points and remove drones from the game - forget it.

AK

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Originally by: Shieldss

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I have to agree with the OP. Although with one small tweak. Allow the current specialty drones, like EWAR or logistics drones, but just get rid of combat drones. This would force Gallente to not only use hybrids more, and thus making them an effective dps tool be default, but still allow drones to play an important role in the ability of a Gallente combat pilot to perform combat.

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Originally by: Sveti Ante

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I agree, most gallente ship slots make them sorta handicapped. The hyperion is the most classic example of a pile of scrap metal that costs 155 million.

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Originally by: thingy wotsit

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blasters should get more damage and range... should have pulse range... hybrids need love.

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Originally by: Unbendable McRib

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Originally by: thingy wotsit

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blasters should get more damage and range... should have pulse range... hybrids need love.

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agree with that give love to Hybrids!!

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Originally by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov

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Edited by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov on 21/05/2011 01:00:13
This is a ridiculous idea - akin to a left-handed person amputating their preferred hand in order to force themselves to master the use of their right. Kind of.

Hybrids need a buff that makes them more effective, yet one which does not encroach on the defining traits of other weapon systems - so increasing blaster range and fall-off is a no-no. Buffing blaster tracking and damage would help. As for Rails, I can't say - I haven't used them enough to suggest a fix.

As for Gallente ships, they now need attributes that allow them to make use of these weapons. This means, in the case of blaster boats, more speed and more power grid. Gallente blaster boats should really receive some sort of MWD speed bonus instead of the cap usage bonus, as well as a base increase in speed.

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Originally by: Freya Kesanlaulu

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Edited by: Freya Kesanlaulu on 06/06/2011 18:27:19

+1

Powergrid boost on gallente hybrid ships would fix some problems. I, for example, can't fit Neutrons on any of my blaster ships, except proteus - so that's the main problem: decreased both dps and range. Other problem is that there are not usually enough low slots for both tank and Magnetic Field Stabilizers. (Minmatars are lucky because of shield tank - they can fit 3 gyros in lows and have better dps than gallente hybrid ships)
And tracking boost would help too.

And come on CCP, fix the bonuses for Eos, coz they make no sense. What is purpose of extra drone bay if the drone bandwith is 75? More drones in my dronebay (which is already 150) won't help me a lot. Increase either drone bandwith, drone dps or something else.

EDIT: And... are you all insane!? To remove combat drones from the game?? Drones are the ONLY reason I fly gallente! :)

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Originally by: Kelly Kavanagh

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Edited by: Kelly Kavanagh on 07/06/2011 03:18:20

Perhaps hybrid charges are what need a buff. They do the same amount of damage as the corresponding frequency crystals but they are more evenly split between the primary and secondary damage types which is kind of a nerf. Laser turrets tend to be more affective against shields while projectile turrets tend to be better against armor. Hybrid charges aren't good against either.

To compensate for these factors, add EM damage to all hybrid charges with range bonuses- +1 for small, +2 for medium, +4 for large, and +8 for x-large.

Then add Explosive damage to all hybrid charges with range penalties- +1 for small, +2 for medium, +4 for large, and +8 for x-large.

Then give all Lead charges both damage bonuses for their respective sizes.

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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington

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Gallente need 90% webs and zero effect against MWD switch off from scrams

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Right, because that's totally not stupidly overpowered. Off the top of my head I can think of a couple of ways to hilariously abuse this bonus for FoTM solopwnmobiles.

Blasterships should have trouble getting into range. That's the tradeoff for their supposed facemelting dps.
The problem?
There is no facemelting dps on most blasterboats. Those dps figures are EFT only. Autocannons and lasers are just plain better in 90% of situations, including a lot of close range ones. Blasters have a defined nichT, with its own strengths and weaknesses, they just need to be better at it than other ships to a big enough extent to be worth flying.

A Megathron with a rack of neutrons, ogre IIs and mag stabs deals out approximately 1150 dps. A Maelstrom with 800mms is putting out 1036. That's a difference of a frankly pathetic 114, which will be largely mitigated by the fact the Maelstrom can fire:
1. Into the opponents resist hole
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2. Out to over 30km with faction ammo, and 50 with barrage.

Oh by the way, as one last nail in the coffin, the Megathron only has that bigger dps because it's mounting ogres. Take away drones from both sides and the damage difference is basically gone.
(For the record: it's a difference of 9 dps between a bonused neutron blaster and an 800mm auto. Yeah, I'd totally fly Gallente for that.)

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My suggestion to improve the use of hybrids is to get rid of drones.

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Originally by: Jack Moove

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Perhaps hybrid charges are what need a buff. They do the same amount of damage as the corresponding frequency crystals but they are more evenly split between the primary and secondary damage types which is kind of a nerf. Laser turrets tend to be more affective against shields while projectile turrets tend to be better against armor. Hybrid charges aren't good against either.

To compensate for these factors, add EM damage to all hybrid charges with range bonuses- +1 for small, +2 for medium, +4 for large, and +8 for x-large.

Then add Explosive damage to all hybrid charges with range penalties- +1 for small, +2 for medium, +4 for large, and +8 for x-large.

Then give all Lead charges both damage bonuses for their respective sizes.

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Originally by: Kelly Kavanagh

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Originally by: Jack Moove

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Perhaps hybrid charges are what need a buff. They do the same amount of damage as the corresponding frequency crystals but they are more evenly split between the primary and secondary damage types which is kind of a nerf. Laser turrets tend to be more affective against shields while projectile turrets tend to be better against armor. Hybrid charges aren't good against either.

To compensate for these factors, add EM damage to all hybrid charges with range bonuses- +1 for small, +2 for medium, +4 for large, and +8 for x-large.

Then add Explosive damage to all hybrid charges with range penalties- +1 for small, +2 for medium, +4 for large, and +8 for x-large.

Then give all Lead charges both damage bonuses for their respective sizes.

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If you want em damage use em drones.
there charges should be like
antimatter: full heat damage no kinetic. antimatter is plasma and plasma has no kinetic properties.
iron: full kinetic no heat. by the time an iron projectile travels the long distance its shed off most of its residual heat from the charge in the casing.
the rest of the ranges between them should split the difference, going a charge up from antimatter adds a bit of kinetic and a bit less thermal all the way up to iron and vice versa.

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