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Lykouleon
Bad Kitty Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy the unimportant rounds.
I think those people participating in those rounds wouldn't call them "unimportant." Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO THAT I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Milli Rachet
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:41:00 -
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"Of course there must also be a tip of the hat to CCP Claw, previous tournament manager who has since left CCP û a significant number of the changes for format and rules this year were things we discussed together during and after the last tournament.
So with that I will turn it over to you to start the manic theorycrafting and training. We are all super excited for this tournament and we hope you are too!
All the best!" - CCP Mindstar
No. No! Bad mindstar! /slaponwrist No one is exited for this tournament anymore!
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Hydraka
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:42:00 -
[33]
So CCP is now judging whether we like to watch qualifyers or not? Seriously?
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Daneel Trevize
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks
Your own youtube account indicates last year's was 6 day's worth, so that's 3 weeks, and uploads spread from the 5th to the 23rd June. Even highlights/a montage from weekend 1 is too much? Really? Seriously? |
VioleTAK
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:46:00 -
[35]
Stream for 'Lack of Imagination vs Atlas' 19:40:
http://www.livestream.com/at9atlaspreelim?t=388756
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:47:00 -
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Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
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Exordium8
Minmatar Not a Shell Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Exordium8 on 28/05/2011 16:47:05 CCP, you done goofed.
All you had to do was ask for community volunteers. I guarantee someone would have streamed/commented if you had asked.
If you had just put in the smallest amount of effort to make your playerbase happy, this could have been avoided.
I was fine with the "efforts" against botting, with the nullsec nerf, with Aurum, but this...
This is just lazy, CCP --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: VioleTAK Stream for 'Lack of Imagination vs Atlas' 19:40:
http://www.livestream.com/at9atlaspreelim?t=388756
You are noble. Where can I donate ISK?
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Milli Rachet
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: VioleTAK Stream for 'Lack of Imagination vs Atlas' 19:40:
http://www.livestream.com/at9atlaspreelim?t=388756
VioleTAK getting it right! Thank you mister!
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VioleTAK
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:49:00 -
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Its not my stream. Individuals from attending corps are running Livestreams for their specific matches. You should hang in the IRC channel, this is the 3rd stream already.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: VioleTAK Its not my stream. Individuals from attending corps are running Livestreams for their specific matches. You should hang in the IRC channel, this is the 3rd stream already.
Where is this IRC channel?
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Exordium8
Minmatar Not a Shell Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Exordium8 on 28/05/2011 16:50:17
Originally by: VioleTAK Stream for 'Lack of Imagination vs Atlas' 19:40:
http://www.livestream.com/at9atlaspreelim?t=388756
You're awesome.
Edit: IRC channel? --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
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VioleTAK
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:51:00 -
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irc.coldfront.net #eve-news
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Ivan Rakijas
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:56:00 -
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so why CCP is not at least having one camera there which streams events for people who want to watch it? You know for the community sake? Excuses which involve bull like *people will not have interest in few weeks of only yearly public entertainment event* is really stupid.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy This is a try at being adaptable and expanding the tournament for the future. In the televised group stages you'll see the top 32 teams, play multiple times, these teams have proved themselves in the qualifiers to be capable and we should have a great show.
These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
In my view the Tournament starts on the 11th with the group stages and the top 32 teams. We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks, and in the future if we expand to bring in 128 teams and we have to run the tournament over 6 weeks or more we'll do the same again.
I know this is disappointing now, but we feel this is the best option for the tournament. We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds. When you settle in to watch the group stages and finals I'm sure you'll appreciate the decision.
I'll reply more after today's matches.
First let me state this, we want coverage, coverage is not being provided. Secondly your coverage quality can be really bad or even non existent and we would like it. If you made an alt which just locks 10 people and livestreamed it with no commentary, people would be upset at the commentary but not as upset as they are now being locked out completely. Secondly there is some ambiguity about these matches going on youtube. I, for one, would like to recast them if possible on my own channel.
We also want to see the new dynamic of the 5 man fleets, this is a never before seen tournament format which we are all anticipating. Again we have seen nothing on how these fight went/are going.
As for your fears of drowning players in content, need I remind you that the NASL or North American Starcraft League does nightly broadcasts. Day 9 does a daily broadcast all by himself and Machinima makes million by doing hourly content. You can interpret this any way you want but in this day and age volume of content has some appeal. You could even use this to your advantage and test out new casters before final week by simply hooking up skype to justin.tv and send out different commentators every couple of hours. -------------
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CCP Loxy
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 28/05/2011 16:48:43 Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
Every single match in every round is important for so many people.
Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...
People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process. --------- Formally known as CCP Charlie Video Producer |
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slackjawed
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 28/05/2011 16:48:43 Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
Every single match in every round is important for so many people.
Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...
People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process.
You think working 4 weekends extra in a row is killing you? Wow thank god you don't work at a law firm or accountancy/prs firm.
I'm sure people will always whine. And sometimes the commentary is bad. But atleast we can watch. I don't mind if it's not HD. But I'd like to be able to follow the entire tourney.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:04:00 -
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Loxy, we all know that there is pretty much 0 coverage now, so a low-quality stream without commentary will actually be very much appreciated at this moment.
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Lee ChanKa
WEPRA CORP WILD BOARS
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:04:00 -
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well i don't understand what is problem to give us 3 camera view from 3 different angels, nothing special, no need to sound, or high quality or anything special..just to watch them...
if that is rly hard(mine know legend about that is low) then i apologize
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy This is a try at being adaptable and expanding the tournament for the future. In the televised group stages you'll see the top 32 teams, play multiple times, these teams have proved themselves in the qualifiers to be capable and we should have a great show.
Very shoddy job this time, but hey there's always the ~future~, you know maybe we didn't want to see the top 32 teams play multiple times ? why add 2 extra matches there when you could've let more people take part instead ? f.i. two of the top 8 teams from last time that are alternates instead of taking part. ~bitter~
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These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
They won't be as good ? Says who ? It's an entirely different format and very interesting since it's been years since the last 5v5 matches in a tournament..
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In my view the Tournament starts on the 11th with the group stages and the top 32 teams. We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks, and in the future if we expand to bring in 128 teams and we have to run the tournament over 6 weeks or more we'll do the same again.
The majority of eve players would actually want that, you're completely out of touch and your opinion is not shared by the participants nor the audience.
I can understand CCP not wanting to spend money, but you didn't actually need to since there's no shortage of people willing to volunteer to fraps it for you, you (CCP) just didn't bother organizing it. This was suggested weeks ago (and again in this thread) and completely ignored.
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I know this is disappointing now, but we feel this is the best option for the tournament. We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds. When you settle in to watch the group stages and finals I'm sure you'll appreciate the decision.
Might be acceptable if you had enough "unimportant" rounds for the 40+ teams that didn't make it in, but no you weren't prepared for people to actually want to take part. (or for people to want to actually watch it??)
AT9 has been the worst organized and prepared tournament to date, maybe CCP should try giving the tournament some tiny fraction of the preparation and money spent on fanfest.
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InnerDrive
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:07:00 -
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I agree, you want to go for quality over quantity, fully broadcasting all the matches with commentary woud be silly, but what you coud do atleast is upload the matches on youtube. Recording the matches and uploading them to youtube takes like no effort if you automate it to a large degree, and there is going to be someone watching the matches anyways , might aswell record them aswell.
What we care to see the most is being abble to have watches our alliance members fight. If they get excluded and dont make it till the next rounds atleast the time and money invested and the possible failures can be seen somewhere.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dinta Zembo on 28/05/2011 17:08:44
Originally by: InnerDrive I agree, you want to go for quality over quantity
At this moment I do prefer quantity
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:09:00 -
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I think the real problem here is that CCP doesn't understand how EASY it is to stream stuff in this day and age. They think they need to spend a lot of money and need a lot of people. The truth is 2 people from the community could easily cast it all with little needed from CCP. Yet CCP being a business just doesn't get that and is probably too worried about their IP on the internet. Meanwhile theres probably 30 Starcraft 2 streams on the internet right now and Blizzard doesn't have to lift a finger.
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Exordium8
Minmatar Not a Shell Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 28/05/2011 16:48:43 Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
Every single match in every round is important for so many people.
Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...
People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process.
So why not ask for community volunteers to stream/comment?
Not much work for you guys, is it? After all, wouldn't be your coverage.
--------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
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VioleTAK
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kurj Valdoria I think the real problem here is that CCP doesn't understand how EASY it is to stream stuff in this day and age. They think they need to spend a lot of money and need a lot of people. The truth is 2 people from the community could easily cast it all with little needed from CCP. Yet CCP being a business just doesn't get that and is probably too worried about their IP on the internet. Meanwhile theres probably 30 Starcraft 2 streams on the internet right now and Blizzard doesn't have to lift a finger.
So true.
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slackjawed
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:12:00 -
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What Tyrrax said is 100% right. You basicly ndd to do 2 things. Get a pc with eve, focus your camera. Plug in a streaming hardware device (USB or w/e) or use software devices to capture desktop/client.
As ex-caster at WSVG and CPL I'm pretty sure I know reasonably much about setting up streams even with not much money/effort/devices. All it takes is a bit of time (1-2h) and some servers (which you have anyway). It's not like we are asking for studio, commentary, ... No just a stream to watch the field. A GM is watching it anyway. Are you telling me he can't install a software encoder and stream?
The fact you make it look like you nd some kind of quality assurance is like the worst excuse. You could have easily said:
Qualifiers: Stream offered by volunteers, if you would like to stream the tournament please let us know. CCP is not responsable for the quality of the stream.
Rest of tourney: CCP will offer a stream for the next part of the tourney and you can expect the highest quality as usual!
And from a marketing perspective you'd be 100% fine. No, instead you went with the: We don't want to do it and we don't want someone else to do it.
Good job, I'm sure your marketing departement will be proud.
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Togae Alus
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy This is a try at being adaptable and expanding the tournament for the future. In the televised group stages you'll see the top 32 teams, play multiple times, these teams have proved themselves in the qualifiers to be capable and we should have a great show.
These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
In my view the Tournament starts on the 11th with the group stages and the top 32 teams. We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks, and in the future if we expand to bring in 128 teams and we have to run the tournament over 6 weeks or more we'll do the same again.
I know this is disappointing now, but we feel this is the best option for the tournament. We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds. When you settle in to watch the group stages and finals I'm sure you'll appreciate the decision.
I'll reply more after today's matches.
you migth be rigth in saying that the best maches will be the ones after the qualifier but i have to ask
would it kill you to put a livestream cam out there for ppl with morbid fixations to the game like me
and you dontrt even need ppl commenting the match just add a chat feed in it and we will do it on our own
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Daneel Trevize
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:14:00 -
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It's a game tourne, you're a game company. You chose the job of entertaining us or not making money. |
Wolke 7
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more.
Then stop volunteering, outsource the thing and have a great time off. You sound like this is supposed to be a UN conference or something. Improvisation, pewpew and lols, right now nothing.
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Tunnas
Amarr x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:15:00 -
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the least you could do was record all the fights and put em on youtube. Then you don't have to worry about "in between" fights, i'm sure you can find some one to even add a comment to the youtube fights.
And I'm sorry to say that the ppl making an event like this may it be volunteer work have to put their soul into it, if not your not the right volunteer for the job.
Christ we have better coverage of NC's fleets on a daily basis, than you have of the tournament qualifiers.
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