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Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.05.28 18:37:00 - [91] Originally by: CCP Loxy Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 28/05/2011 16:48:43 Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable. There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this. Every single match in every round is important for so many people. Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc... People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process. You're so out of touch with reality that it makes me feel sorry for you and your team. I don't doubt that you're giving it your best and you know what your doing, but you basicly decided to give us nothing because you had some arbitrary quality standard you're aiming for, couldn't meet it yourselves and refused to delegate the job to the community. You've constructed a self made trap for yourself, that has made your entire team unable to function properly and deliver the content your players wanted. There are easy ways a single person can do this these days, but your ignoring/being oblivious to the obvious because of self imposed limitations in how you're used to do things. Let me just say it openly so there is no misunderstanding here. We love the high quality of AT delivery you have produced and hope you can deliver it every time, but it's just a luxury. The actual event and the fights are the things that we are interested in. If you can't deliver those fights to us in some form, you've fundamentally failed in organizing the event. You didn't have to carry all the weight and work on your own shoulders. All you had to do was say you wanted to focus on the TV broadcasts and ask if we were willing to shoulder some responsibility in order to deliver all the fights to the community. You forgot that the events are largely for the benefit of the community and have instead focused on how you, your team and CCP will be judged by the quality of your show or in this case a no-show. I'll give you a grade, since being judged for your delivery is what you're mainly concerned about: You'll get an A for the broadcast you will make, but your average for this AT is down and you might epicly fail, since you forgot that you aren't just judged by the quality of the work that you do, but also by your failure to deliver at all on 2/3rds of the content. Better luck next time. PS. I still love you, but this is one weak ass boring tournament, if half the fighting can't be experienced by the community in any way. It's like watching <insert your favorite sports tournament>, not being able to see the actual matches and only reading about the results after the matches are finished.
Alexi Blue Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.28 18:38:00 - [92] Originally by: CCP Loxy nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks Source? ---
Hoshi The Einherjar Corporation	Posted - 2011.05.28 18:41:00 - [93] The reason CCP have such high standard is because they see this as a marketing thing. The TV coverge is advertisment to people who are not playing eve. For Eve players just a pure video stream is enough bit for advertisment it's not. ---------------------------------------- "Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."
Daneel Trevize Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.28 18:46:00 - [94] I'm sure all the negative comments on the seemingly FaceBook-powered Matches pages mesh well with that PR plan.
Cunane Jeran Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.28 18:55:00 - [95] Why not keep it audio only for these then? I can't speak for everyone but for me personally, just an audio only, with maybe a round table between matches, a bit of banter done by volunteers on eve voice would be more than enough in these early stages.
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2011.05.28 18:56:00 - [96] I really hoped to see something fresh and different :/
Wolke 7	Posted - 2011.05.28 19:12:00 - [97] Heck let be these "round tables" between fights. Awkward stuff, this is not football where you can babble endlessly about tactics and persons and fouls whatnot. 2 male commentators in the matches with some knowledge of the political landscape as well as mechanics and good camera coverage is all it needs. For me at least, no problem to have a testscreen between fights with elevator music. Oh, and nice attitude.
Andrew Riviera Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot	Posted - 2011.05.28 19:13:00 - [98] Serious question for you, Loxy. If the qualifying rounds are closed to the public (a decision I vehemently disagree with, but that's already been stated) then why does the EVE Newsletter read, and I quote exactly: 'Alliance Tournament 9's first round of pre-qualifying battles are set to kick off May 28th and 29th as over five dozen EVE alliances field their best pilots for the title of AT9 Alliance Champions. Be there as it happens with EVE TV, bringing the battles to you live, in HD and free of charge.' That doesn't just imply that the full tournament is going to be streamed starting with the qualifiers, it flat-out states it in unambiguous terms. Maybe, just maybe, if you weren't planning to live up to the standards of, oh, just about every previous alliance tournament, you shouldn't tell people otherwise?
Jack Gilligan Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.05.28 19:25:00 - [99] Originally by: CCP Loxy Originally by: QwaarJet Surely you can admit that this was a serious error? I'd like to see some kind of coverage next weekend, instead of leaving it to the great guys that stream their own matches. There are no plans to change this and we will most likely continue with this setup as we expand the tournament in the future. Just wait, it'll get worse. They'll start selling tourney slots AND video coverage in the upcoming Incarna Ca$h $hop.
shgn D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.05.28 19:27:00 - [100] 'Alliance Tournament 9's first round of pre-qualifying battles are set to kick off May 28th and 29th as over five dozen EVE alliances field their best pilots for the title of AT9 Alliance Champions. Be there as it happens with EVE TV, bringing the battles to you live, in HD and free of charge.' CCP--- READ AGAIN and again AND AGAIN
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.05.28 19:29:00 - [101] Originally by: CCP Loxy Quote: Quote: These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part. They won't be as good ? Says who ? It's an entirely different format and very interesting since it's been years since the last 5v5 matches in a tournament.. Overall these match ups wont be as good as the later matches, the main point of qualifiers is sorting out who deserves a place in the tournament. I seriously doubt that. There are some VERY interesting pairings already. Just look at the first four matches today: White Noise. vs. Majesta Empire Outbreak vs. RvB - Blue Republic The R0NIN vs. Ushra'Khan GoonSwarm vs. Wildly Inappropriate You say they are not good quality? They are as good as it can get. Also we have Rote Kapelle, Black Legion, Atlas, Star Fraction, Morsus Mihi, AAA, Razor and tons of other good teams. Why do you say that this is not good quality? I can understand when you say that there are just not enough resources available (and no mistake, quality live coverage eats up TONS of resources), but bad quality? I don't think so.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.05.28 19:50:00 - [102] The sad thing to me is that 5-vs-5 represents an entirely different side of Eve compared to 10-vs-10. Lower fielded DPS means lots more time for individual and group prowess to change the tide of battle as well as challenge the pre-match planning to a much greater extent. Doesn't EveRadio or some similar org. have people that can watch a monitor in London or Iceland? Audio broadcast was pretty good last time (last year?).
MrBlades Caldari Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2011.05.28 19:52:00 - [103] We wasn't invited. :)
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.05.28 20:13:00 - [104] We just watched a great 'unimportant' fight. Thanks to all the people that made it happen, you are interweb heroes! Boohoo CCP ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.
Dinta Zembo	Posted - 2011.05.28 20:18:00 - [105] Originally by: Aineko Macx We just watched a great 'unimportant' fight. Thanks to all the people that made it happen, you are interweb heroes! Boohoo CCP This. Totally says it all. Many thanks to people who are putting up live streams.
leboe Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.05.28 20:22:00 - [106] Hate to toot our own horn, but that was a very good match between two very good teams and CCP missed it. We were very fortunate to have a livestream from one of the black legion. pilots as our fraps pilot was primaried.
visableone	Posted - 2011.05.28 20:25:00 - [107] Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:25:59 look guys it all about quality,.. just think if ccp spent all their time streaming all of the fights they'd be unable to provide us with these awsome charts, http://at.eve-ic.net/9/index.php?view=statistics SEE! there soo easy to understand and intuitive like all ccp products are known for, these charts make perfect sence, i can't see how anyone could be in doubt of what happened during the fights................. lolololololololololololololollo
Wardeneo Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.28 21:04:00 - [108] Originally by: Ugleb It is not often that I write such things, but hey, I'm feeling down. This alliance tournament is starting with what may actually be the worst coverage of any tournament. While the second half will be live streamed with I'm sure the level of polish we enjoyed in AT8, the first half of the tournament will be neither seen nor heard by anyone not present in the arena. I have to ask, what then is the point of two weekends of qualifiers that we will neither see nor hear? This is a community event to which the community was not invited. Live streaming has its costs, to be sure. But in previous tournamenmts the opening weekends were at least provided with an audio commentary on fansites such as EVE Radio or simply through EVE Voice. Even in the early days before EVE TV and EVE Voice, I recall that CCP allowed each alliance to send an 'observer' along to watch the fight and commentate over TS/Vent to their own alliance. At least then we could sit rigid in our seats, headphones cradled to our ears as our guys fought for our good name. In this tournament, half of all the competing alliances will have been eliminated before anyone gets to so much as hear a shot fired. I have all due respect and appreciation for the volunteers in the Interstellar Correspondents, but being presented with the match stats after the fact is no substitute. It might as well be a link to a killboard for all the connection I will feel to it. Good luck to my alliance mates fighting in a few moments, while I'm rooting for you I'm afraid I won't exactly be cheering you on this time round. CCP, I hope you can pull something out of the bag and deliver on at least an EVE Voice commentation for next weekend. The community is crying out for it. 2bh all it takes if for the camera guy to run fraps in the background n then upload to youtube later - not that expensive ^^ - n 2bh watching it couple of hours late is better than not watching it all all ^^ . - Wardeneo - - Elite Forum Ninja -
Slaktoid	Posted - 2011.05.28 21:05:00 - [109] Thanks to all those who streamed their match. The guy from Paisti Syndicate especially had great quality. Thanks also to IC's 1996-quakeworld-irc-style coverage. The night was pretty interesting, some very interesting results and matches. Players for tomorrow I urge you to check out this streaming guide, if you have time: http://root-destiny.com/newbies-guide-to-streaming/ Lets hope "The Powers that Be" at some point catch on; This is good stuff. We want more of this stuff. Small gang warfare: THIS is what matters.
Bacchanalian Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.05.28 21:24:00 - [110] Originally by: Slaktoid Lets hope "The Powers that Be" at some point catch on; This is good stuff. We want more of this stuff. Small gang warfare: THIS is what matters. So much this. That 5v5 was the most exciting tourney match I've ever flown in (in terms of fight quality--SF vs BoB was obv. exciting for a totally different reason), and our match was literally a nail-biter to the very end. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'

ISD Serathu Ashk ISD Interstellar Correspondents	Posted - 2011.05.28 21:32:00 - [111] Originally by: visableone Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:31:29 Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:25:59 look guys it all about quality,.. just think if ccp spent all their time streaming all of the fights they'd be unable to provide us with these awsome charts, http://at.eve-ic.net/9/index.php?view=statistics SEE! there soo easy to understand and intuitive like all ccp products are known for, these charts make perfect sence, i can't see how anyone could be in doubt of what happened during the fights................. The site is provided by IC, not CCP. IC volunteers are not CCP employees - we are players who work hard to make something awesome IC has produced ship by ship breakdowns, a full match report and pictures for every match: example \| News Lead? Tell Us \| Become An IC \| E-mail IC \| Visit Our Website \|

Dinta Zembo	Posted - 2011.05.28 21:36:00 - [112] Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk Originally by: visableone Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:31:29 Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:25:59 look guys it all about quality,.. just think if ccp spent all their time streaming all of the fights they'd be unable to provide us with these awsome charts, http://at.eve-ic.net/9/index.php?view=statistics SEE! there soo easy to understand and intuitive like all ccp products are known for, these charts make perfect sence, i can't see how anyone could be in doubt of what happened during the fights................. The site is provided by IC, not CCP. IC volunteers are not CCP employees - we are players who work hard to make something awesome IC has produced ship by ship breakdowns, a full match report and pictures for every match: example Let me say that the match report for match 5 is awesome. Make that guy write more

ISD Serathu Ashk ISD Interstellar Correspondents	Posted - 2011.05.28 21:39:00 - [113] Originally by: Dinta Zembo Let me say that the match report for match 5 is awesome. Make that guy write more Thank you, I'll pass the comment on to her \| News Lead? Tell Us \| Become An IC \| E-mail IC \| Visit Our Website \|

Dinta Zembo	Posted - 2011.05.28 21:41:00 - [114] Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk Originally by: Dinta Zembo Let me say that the match report for match 5 is awesome. Make that guy write more Thank you, I'll pass the comment on to her
REQUIEMSORN Anakites	Posted - 2011.05.28 21:42:00 - [115] Edited by: REQUIEMSORN on 28/05/2011 21:42:41 Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk Originally by: visableone Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:31:29 Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:25:59 look guys it all about quality,.. just think if ccp spent all their time streaming all of the fights they'd be unable to provide us with these awsome charts, http://at.eve-ic.net/9/index.php?view=statistics SEE! there soo easy to understand and intuitive like all ccp products are known for, these charts make perfect sence, i can't see how anyone could be in doubt of what happened during the fights................. The site is provided by IC, not CCP. IC volunteers are not CCP employees - we are players who work hard to make something awesome IC has produced ship by ship breakdowns, a full match report and pictures for every match: example So, why doesn't one of them stream the matches seeing as ccp doesn't give a ****. I like pictures and all but yeah.
HonkiPonki	Posted - 2011.05.28 22:10:00 - [116] Edited by: HonkiPonki on 28/05/2011 22:12:02 ccp could at least record and you tube them, and don tell me " omg thas gonan cost us OMGOMG, our budget" ... seriously... want me to send u a 120Ç pc and a license for fraps so u girls got stuff done without hurting ur budget.. ow wait i didnt think of the overpayed programmers that need to push the "start record" and "end record " bottens, not to meantion the 2 min upload tiem for u-tuuube. then again im pretty shrue ull find soem cheap workingcraft who can manage that skillwise without asking 4000@ / month.
Terrare Vordai	Posted - 2011.05.28 22:27:00 - [117] Bump, as I too am an EVE player that would like to see these matches. I also don't get what's so expensive about posting videos to youtube if you are already recording them to begin with.

CCP Soundwave C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.28 22:30:00 - [118] Originally by: Terrare Vordai Bump, as I too am an EVE player that would like to see these matches. I also don't get what's so expensive about posting videos to youtube if you are already recording them to begin with. It's costs, but more than anything the minimum standard we have for broadcasting. Having a guy put something up on Justin doesn't really work for a big corporation, anyone in one will grasp that pretty easily. Once we go into the studio weekends, it's with several cameras, professional editing etc. Anything outside of that we're simply not going to publish. We could stream these two first weekends, but that would mean a commitment that could cut into our two studio weekends, which we're really excited about getting back to. It's a harsh priority, but that's life.

Milli Rachet Waterboard	Posted - 2011.05.28 22:32:00 - [119] Then let the community do it soundwave? CCP won't have to take any part of it.
Daneel Trevize Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.28 22:37:00 - [120] Good job you're not a big corp then eh? Dear lord give your customers what they want. This is all really about how it looks to investors/buyers isn't it, not the the game players. All this tech corification for licensing/selling and World of Darkness beta-testing. At least, that's the impression we get.

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