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Ugleb
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.05.28 15:45:00 -
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It is not often that I write such things, but hey, I'm feeling down.
This alliance tournament is starting with what may actually be the worst coverage of any tournament. While the second half will be live streamed with I'm sure the level of polish we enjoyed in AT8, the first half of the tournament will be neither seen nor heard by anyone not present in the arena.
I have to ask, what then is the point of two weekends of qualifiers that we will neither see nor hear?
This is a community event to which the community was not invited.
Live streaming has its costs, to be sure. But in previous tournamenmts the opening weekends were at least provided with an audio commentary on fansites such as EVE Radio or simply through EVE Voice.
Even in the early days before EVE TV and EVE Voice, I recall that CCP allowed each alliance to send an 'observer' along to watch the fight and commentate over TS/Vent to their own alliance. At least then we could sit rigid in our seats, headphones cradled to our ears as our guys fought for our good name.
In this tournament, half of all the competing alliances will have been eliminated before anyone gets to so much as hear a shot fired.
I have all due respect and appreciation for the volunteers in the Interstellar Correspondents, but being presented with the match stats after the fact is no substitute. It might as well be a link to a killboard for all the connection I will feel to it.
Good luck to my alliance mates fighting in a few moments, while I'm rooting for you I'm afraid I won't exactly be cheering you on this time round.
CCP, I hope you can pull something out of the bag and deliver on at least an EVE Voice commentation for next weekend. The community is crying out for it.
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Anakites
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Posted - 2011.05.28 15:48:00 -
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I approve of this message |
Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 15:48:00 -
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I bow to you sir.
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Valator Uel
Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 15:51:00 -
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Quite amazing that they can update how much isk was fielded/lost but they fail to do simple things like show what ships are being fielded.
I guess I'll be back tonight to F5 the page and see results.
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Hydraka
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Posted - 2011.05.28 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hydraka on 28/05/2011 15:51:19
Originally by: Valator Uel Quite amazing that they can update how much isk was fielded/lost but they fail to do simple things like show what ships are being fielded.
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oah
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Posted - 2011.05.28 15:54:00 -
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Ya, i'm usally by te "CCP side" but this time i did not.
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VioleTAK
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Posted - 2011.05.28 15:59:00 -
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I was looking forward to this... sooo sooo much. I just waited for Eve TV to kick in today... And it never did. I'm shocked to hear you're not streaming this.
What... is... wrong... with... you?
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.05.28 15:59:00 -
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It amazes me time and again how CCP ignores what the players really want. And in this case it'd even double as marketing... stoopid :facepalm: ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Freyja Valfreyja
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:01:00 -
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/signed
CCP could have recorded the dam matches and uploaded them to youtube!
i am very disappointed this year, i was hoping to sit back and stream the feed on my TV and watch it but i guess ill go play some other game
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:01:00 -
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Fully agreed. CCP made a bad judgement call.
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ookke
GreenSwarm Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:02:00 -
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What he said, please sort out Eve Radio for next weekend or something.
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Cyfrowy Polsat
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:02:00 -
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This is a very diplomatic and polite way to summarize the posts/topics that sprung up right after the tournament "started". I'll refrain from saying anything more just to keep this post "diplomatic and polite".
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Milli Rachet
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:03:00 -
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CCP keeps doing what they are best at.
GG
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oh snap
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:03:00 -
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I approve of this message.
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JoeBear770
Amarr Faster Muffins
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:04:00 -
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/signed. Just a terrible call by CCP, the whole point of the tournament is to benefit the community with some entertainment value. What a disappointment.
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TheMailman
GreenSwarm Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:04:00 -
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O dear, this man from Ushra'Khan is right.
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Ivan Rakijas
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:09:00 -
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I completely agree, with so many people eagerly awaiting for (rare) tournament events and looking forward to fights and to comment setups of teams etc, CCP surely droped the ball on this one.
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Shivalla
Gallente Financial Removal THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:12:00 -
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Signed.
Community manager should be looking into mirror by now, and feeling pretty horrible.
Dude, you just failed the whole eve PVP community, and half of the carebears aswell.
Yours,
Shivalla
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StarTrotter
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:13:00 -
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/Agree
"This is a community event to which the community was not invited." summs it up perfectly for me armor hacs Armor Hacs ARMOR HACS!!!! |
Cunane Jeran
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:15:00 -
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Agreed.
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EvilsIndustryHore
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:18:00 -
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Allaince tournament has 5 players this year and no coverage - I think the first 32 losing allaince should get there 2b refunded
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Goobai Vapor
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:18:00 -
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Dear CCP - You suck. No audio or video? You guys broke, bro?
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Cyfrowy Polsat
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: EvilsIndustryHore I think the first 32 losing allaince should get there 2b refunded
OH NOES! What would the CCP chief-economist say about that much isk going back into the game!
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2tone stevens
Gallente The Drones Club
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:31:00 -
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Signed.
I'm surprised CCP isn't trying to charge us for it.
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Just fearless
Caldari Phantom Squad Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Just fearless on 28/05/2011 16:33:12 Just bad customer serves
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Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:35:00 -
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If CCP really have confidence in EVE Voice, then why not just use this medium to broadcast a running commentary of the preliminary rounds.
Well done Ugleb for starting this thread.
CCP srsly? Community events are better received when the community are a part of the event.
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ookke
GreenSwarm Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:36:00 -
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Paisti syndicate just streamed their own match on Livestream.com like a boss.
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Hydraka
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: ookke Paisti syndicate just streamed their own match on Livestream.com like a boss.
That should have been posted on the forum
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Wolke 7
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:38:00 -
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What a letdown billions of iskies and devotion of the teams going boosh for nothing.
My bet is next year you can follow the stream AURUM/sec.
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CCP Loxy
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:38:00 -
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This is a try at being adaptable and expanding the tournament for the future. In the televised group stages you'll see the top 32 teams, play multiple times, these teams have proved themselves in the qualifiers to be capable and we should have a great show.
These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
In my view the Tournament starts on the 11th with the group stages and the top 32 teams. We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks, and in the future if we expand to bring in 128 teams and we have to run the tournament over 6 weeks or more we'll do the same again.
I know this is disappointing now, but we feel this is the best option for the tournament. We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds. When you settle in to watch the group stages and finals I'm sure you'll appreciate the decision.
I'll reply more after today's matches.
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Lykouleon
Bad Kitty Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy the unimportant rounds.
I think those people participating in those rounds wouldn't call them "unimportant." Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO THAT I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Milli Rachet
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:41:00 -
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"Of course there must also be a tip of the hat to CCP Claw, previous tournament manager who has since left CCP û a significant number of the changes for format and rules this year were things we discussed together during and after the last tournament.
So with that I will turn it over to you to start the manic theorycrafting and training. We are all super excited for this tournament and we hope you are too!
All the best!" - CCP Mindstar
No. No! Bad mindstar! /slaponwrist No one is exited for this tournament anymore!
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Hydraka
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:42:00 -
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So CCP is now judging whether we like to watch qualifyers or not? Seriously?
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Daneel Trevize
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks
Your own youtube account indicates last year's was 6 day's worth, so that's 3 weeks, and uploads spread from the 5th to the 23rd June. Even highlights/a montage from weekend 1 is too much? Really? Seriously? |
VioleTAK
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:46:00 -
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Stream for 'Lack of Imagination vs Atlas' 19:40:
http://www.livestream.com/at9atlaspreelim?t=388756
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:47:00 -
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Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
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Exordium8
Minmatar Not a Shell Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Exordium8 on 28/05/2011 16:47:05 CCP, you done goofed.
All you had to do was ask for community volunteers. I guarantee someone would have streamed/commented if you had asked.
If you had just put in the smallest amount of effort to make your playerbase happy, this could have been avoided.
I was fine with the "efforts" against botting, with the nullsec nerf, with Aurum, but this...
This is just lazy, CCP --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: VioleTAK Stream for 'Lack of Imagination vs Atlas' 19:40:
http://www.livestream.com/at9atlaspreelim?t=388756
You are noble. Where can I donate ISK?
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Milli Rachet
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: VioleTAK Stream for 'Lack of Imagination vs Atlas' 19:40:
http://www.livestream.com/at9atlaspreelim?t=388756
VioleTAK getting it right! Thank you mister!
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VioleTAK
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:49:00 -
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Its not my stream. Individuals from attending corps are running Livestreams for their specific matches. You should hang in the IRC channel, this is the 3rd stream already.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: VioleTAK Its not my stream. Individuals from attending corps are running Livestreams for their specific matches. You should hang in the IRC channel, this is the 3rd stream already.
Where is this IRC channel?
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Exordium8
Minmatar Not a Shell Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Exordium8 on 28/05/2011 16:50:17
Originally by: VioleTAK Stream for 'Lack of Imagination vs Atlas' 19:40:
http://www.livestream.com/at9atlaspreelim?t=388756
You're awesome.
Edit: IRC channel? --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
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VioleTAK
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:51:00 -
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irc.coldfront.net #eve-news
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Ivan Rakijas
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:56:00 -
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so why CCP is not at least having one camera there which streams events for people who want to watch it? You know for the community sake? Excuses which involve bull like *people will not have interest in few weeks of only yearly public entertainment event* is really stupid.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy This is a try at being adaptable and expanding the tournament for the future. In the televised group stages you'll see the top 32 teams, play multiple times, these teams have proved themselves in the qualifiers to be capable and we should have a great show.
These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
In my view the Tournament starts on the 11th with the group stages and the top 32 teams. We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks, and in the future if we expand to bring in 128 teams and we have to run the tournament over 6 weeks or more we'll do the same again.
I know this is disappointing now, but we feel this is the best option for the tournament. We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds. When you settle in to watch the group stages and finals I'm sure you'll appreciate the decision.
I'll reply more after today's matches.
First let me state this, we want coverage, coverage is not being provided. Secondly your coverage quality can be really bad or even non existent and we would like it. If you made an alt which just locks 10 people and livestreamed it with no commentary, people would be upset at the commentary but not as upset as they are now being locked out completely. Secondly there is some ambiguity about these matches going on youtube. I, for one, would like to recast them if possible on my own channel.
We also want to see the new dynamic of the 5 man fleets, this is a never before seen tournament format which we are all anticipating. Again we have seen nothing on how these fight went/are going.
As for your fears of drowning players in content, need I remind you that the NASL or North American Starcraft League does nightly broadcasts. Day 9 does a daily broadcast all by himself and Machinima makes million by doing hourly content. You can interpret this any way you want but in this day and age volume of content has some appeal. You could even use this to your advantage and test out new casters before final week by simply hooking up skype to justin.tv and send out different commentators every couple of hours. -------------
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CCP Loxy
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 28/05/2011 16:48:43 Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
Every single match in every round is important for so many people.
Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...
People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process. --------- Formally known as CCP Charlie Video Producer |
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slackjawed
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 28/05/2011 16:48:43 Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
Every single match in every round is important for so many people.
Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...
People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process.
You think working 4 weekends extra in a row is killing you? Wow thank god you don't work at a law firm or accountancy/prs firm.
I'm sure people will always whine. And sometimes the commentary is bad. But atleast we can watch. I don't mind if it's not HD. But I'd like to be able to follow the entire tourney.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:04:00 -
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Loxy, we all know that there is pretty much 0 coverage now, so a low-quality stream without commentary will actually be very much appreciated at this moment.
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Lee ChanKa
WEPRA CORP WILD BOARS
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:04:00 -
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well i don't understand what is problem to give us 3 camera view from 3 different angels, nothing special, no need to sound, or high quality or anything special..just to watch them...
if that is rly hard(mine know legend about that is low) then i apologize
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy This is a try at being adaptable and expanding the tournament for the future. In the televised group stages you'll see the top 32 teams, play multiple times, these teams have proved themselves in the qualifiers to be capable and we should have a great show.
Very shoddy job this time, but hey there's always the ~future~, you know maybe we didn't want to see the top 32 teams play multiple times ? why add 2 extra matches there when you could've let more people take part instead ? f.i. two of the top 8 teams from last time that are alternates instead of taking part. ~bitter~
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These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
They won't be as good ? Says who ? It's an entirely different format and very interesting since it's been years since the last 5v5 matches in a tournament..
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In my view the Tournament starts on the 11th with the group stages and the top 32 teams. We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks, and in the future if we expand to bring in 128 teams and we have to run the tournament over 6 weeks or more we'll do the same again.
The majority of eve players would actually want that, you're completely out of touch and your opinion is not shared by the participants nor the audience.
I can understand CCP not wanting to spend money, but you didn't actually need to since there's no shortage of people willing to volunteer to fraps it for you, you (CCP) just didn't bother organizing it. This was suggested weeks ago (and again in this thread) and completely ignored.
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I know this is disappointing now, but we feel this is the best option for the tournament. We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds. When you settle in to watch the group stages and finals I'm sure you'll appreciate the decision.
Might be acceptable if you had enough "unimportant" rounds for the 40+ teams that didn't make it in, but no you weren't prepared for people to actually want to take part. (or for people to want to actually watch it??)
AT9 has been the worst organized and prepared tournament to date, maybe CCP should try giving the tournament some tiny fraction of the preparation and money spent on fanfest.
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InnerDrive
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:07:00 -
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I agree, you want to go for quality over quantity, fully broadcasting all the matches with commentary woud be silly, but what you coud do atleast is upload the matches on youtube. Recording the matches and uploading them to youtube takes like no effort if you automate it to a large degree, and there is going to be someone watching the matches anyways , might aswell record them aswell.
What we care to see the most is being abble to have watches our alliance members fight. If they get excluded and dont make it till the next rounds atleast the time and money invested and the possible failures can be seen somewhere.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dinta Zembo on 28/05/2011 17:08:44
Originally by: InnerDrive I agree, you want to go for quality over quantity
At this moment I do prefer quantity
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:09:00 -
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I think the real problem here is that CCP doesn't understand how EASY it is to stream stuff in this day and age. They think they need to spend a lot of money and need a lot of people. The truth is 2 people from the community could easily cast it all with little needed from CCP. Yet CCP being a business just doesn't get that and is probably too worried about their IP on the internet. Meanwhile theres probably 30 Starcraft 2 streams on the internet right now and Blizzard doesn't have to lift a finger.
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Exordium8
Minmatar Not a Shell Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 28/05/2011 16:48:43 Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
Every single match in every round is important for so many people.
Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...
People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process.
So why not ask for community volunteers to stream/comment?
Not much work for you guys, is it? After all, wouldn't be your coverage.
--------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
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VioleTAK
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kurj Valdoria I think the real problem here is that CCP doesn't understand how EASY it is to stream stuff in this day and age. They think they need to spend a lot of money and need a lot of people. The truth is 2 people from the community could easily cast it all with little needed from CCP. Yet CCP being a business just doesn't get that and is probably too worried about their IP on the internet. Meanwhile theres probably 30 Starcraft 2 streams on the internet right now and Blizzard doesn't have to lift a finger.
So true.
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slackjawed
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:12:00 -
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What Tyrrax said is 100% right. You basicly ndd to do 2 things. Get a pc with eve, focus your camera. Plug in a streaming hardware device (USB or w/e) or use software devices to capture desktop/client.
As ex-caster at WSVG and CPL I'm pretty sure I know reasonably much about setting up streams even with not much money/effort/devices. All it takes is a bit of time (1-2h) and some servers (which you have anyway). It's not like we are asking for studio, commentary, ... No just a stream to watch the field. A GM is watching it anyway. Are you telling me he can't install a software encoder and stream?
The fact you make it look like you nd some kind of quality assurance is like the worst excuse. You could have easily said:
Qualifiers: Stream offered by volunteers, if you would like to stream the tournament please let us know. CCP is not responsable for the quality of the stream.
Rest of tourney: CCP will offer a stream for the next part of the tourney and you can expect the highest quality as usual!
And from a marketing perspective you'd be 100% fine. No, instead you went with the: We don't want to do it and we don't want someone else to do it.
Good job, I'm sure your marketing departement will be proud.
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Togae Alus
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy This is a try at being adaptable and expanding the tournament for the future. In the televised group stages you'll see the top 32 teams, play multiple times, these teams have proved themselves in the qualifiers to be capable and we should have a great show.
These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
In my view the Tournament starts on the 11th with the group stages and the top 32 teams. We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks, and in the future if we expand to bring in 128 teams and we have to run the tournament over 6 weeks or more we'll do the same again.
I know this is disappointing now, but we feel this is the best option for the tournament. We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds. When you settle in to watch the group stages and finals I'm sure you'll appreciate the decision.
I'll reply more after today's matches.
you migth be rigth in saying that the best maches will be the ones after the qualifier but i have to ask
would it kill you to put a livestream cam out there for ppl with morbid fixations to the game like me
and you dontrt even need ppl commenting the match just add a chat feed in it and we will do it on our own
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Daneel Trevize
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:14:00 -
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It's a game tourne, you're a game company. You chose the job of entertaining us or not making money. |
Wolke 7
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more.
Then stop volunteering, outsource the thing and have a great time off. You sound like this is supposed to be a UN conference or something. Improvisation, pewpew and lols, right now nothing.
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Tunnas
Amarr x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:15:00 -
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the least you could do was record all the fights and put em on youtube. Then you don't have to worry about "in between" fights, i'm sure you can find some one to even add a comment to the youtube fights.
And I'm sorry to say that the ppl making an event like this may it be volunteer work have to put their soul into it, if not your not the right volunteer for the job.
Christ we have better coverage of NC's fleets on a daily basis, than you have of the tournament qualifiers.
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Spectra Damaslaus
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 28/05/2011 17:11:25
Originally by: CCP Loxy This is a try at being adaptable and expanding the tournament for the future. In the televised group stages you'll see the top 32 teams, play multiple times, these teams have proved themselves in the qualifiers to be capable and we should have a great show.
Very shoddy job this time, but hey there's always the ~future~, you know maybe we didn't want to see the top 32 teams play multiple times ? why add 2 extra matches there when you could've let more people take part instead ? f.i. two of the top 8 teams from last time that are alternates instead of taking part. ~bitter~
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These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
They won't be as good ? Says who ? It's an entirely different format and very interesting since it's been years since the last 5v5 matches in a tournament..
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In my view the Tournament starts on the 11th with the group stages and the top 32 teams. We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks, and in the future if we expand to bring in 128 teams and we have to run the tournament over 6 weeks or more we'll do the same again.
The majority of eve players would actually want that, you're completely out of touch and your opinion is not shared by the participants nor the audience.
I can understand CCP not wanting to spend money, but you didn't actually need to since there's no shortage of people willing to volunteer to fraps and upload it for you, you (CCP) just didn't bother organizing it. This was suggested weeks ago (and again in this thread) and completely ignored.
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I know this is disappointing now, but we feel this is the best option for the tournament. We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds. When you settle in to watch the group stages and finals I'm sure you'll appreciate the decision.
Might be acceptable if you had enough "unimportant" rounds for the 40+ teams that didn't make it in, but no you weren't prepared for people to actually want to take part. (or for people to want to actually watch it??) But hey maybe in ~THE FUTURE~ right?
AT9 has been the worst organized and prepared tournament to date, maybe CCP should try giving the tournament some tiny fraction of the preparation and money spent on fanfest. Thanks for volunteering your time and all but it's not enough.
this.
there doesnt even need to be commentary, just show us the ships on each side so we know who has what, whats being shot and whats left and has been blown up.
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Lea Ardana
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
People will always complain one way or another
As far as I can tell everyone here is complaining the same way.
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Milli Rachet
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:38:00 -
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http://root-destiny.com/newbies-guide-to-streaming/
There you go CCP! Make something good out of it!
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CCP Loxy
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 28/05/2011 17:11:25
Originally by: CCP Loxy This is a try at being adaptable and expanding the tournament for the future. In the televised group stages you'll see the top 32 teams, play multiple times, these teams have proved themselves in the qualifiers to be capable and we should have a great show.
Very shoddy job this time, but hey there's always the ~future~, you know maybe we didn't want to see the top 32 teams play multiple times ? why add 2 extra matches there when you could've let more people take part instead ? f.i. two of the top 8 teams from last time that are alternates instead of taking part. ~bitter~
I'm pretty disappointed you're not in either but there was the auction which is targeted right at your kind of alliance so sorry but you should have opened that wallet. But this is definitely something I want us to address next year, better checks to remove second and third teams and a structure that can support any number of teams.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
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These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
They won't be as good ? Says who ? It's an entirely different format and very interesting since it's been years since the last 5v5 matches in a tournament..
Overall these match ups wont be as good as the later matches, the main point of qualifiers is sorting out who deserves a place in the tournament.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
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In my view the Tournament starts on the 11th with the group stages and the top 32 teams. We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks, and in the future if we expand to bring in 128 teams and we have to run the tournament over 6 weeks or more we'll do the same again.
The majority of eve players would actually want that, you're completely out of touch and your opinion is not shared by the participants nor the audience.
I can understand CCP not wanting to spend money, but you didn't actually need to since there's no shortage of people willing to volunteer to fraps and upload it for you, you (CCP) just didn't bother organizing it. This was suggested weeks ago (and again in this thread) and completely ignored.
Not ignored, we looked into it, we talked to people and decided against it.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
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I know this is disappointing now, but we feel this is the best option for the tournament. We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds. When you settle in to watch the group stages and finals I'm sure you'll appreciate the decision.
Might be acceptable if you had enough "unimportant" rounds for the 40+ teams that didn't make it in, but no you weren't prepared for people to actually want to take part. (or for people to want to actually watch it??) But hey maybe in ~THE FUTURE~ right?
AT9 has been the worst organized and prepared tournament to date, maybe CCP should try giving the tournament some tiny fraction of the preparation and money spent on fanfest. Thanks for volunteering your time and all but it's not enough.
I'd gladly take more funding and more prep time, raise it with the CSM? --------- Formally known as CCP Charlie Video Producer |
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:49:00 -
[65]
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 28/05/2011 17:11:25
Originally by: CCP Loxy This is a try at being adaptable and expanding the tournament for the future. In the televised group stages you'll see the top 32 teams, play multiple times, these teams have proved themselves in the qualifiers to be capable and we should have a great show.
Very shoddy job this time, but hey there's always the ~future~, you know maybe we didn't want to see the top 32 teams play multiple times ? why add 2 extra matches there when you could've let more people take part instead ? f.i. two of the top 8 teams from last time that are alternates instead of taking part. ~bitter~
I'm pretty disappointed you're not in either but there was the auction which is targeted right at your kind of alliance so sorry but you should have opened that wallet. But this is definitely something I want us to address next year, better checks to remove second and third teams and a structure that can support any number of teams.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Quote:
These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
They won't be as good ? Says who ? It's an entirely different format and very interesting since it's been years since the last 5v5 matches in a tournament..
Overall these match ups wont be as good as the later matches, the main point of qualifiers is sorting out who deserves a place in the tournament.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Quote:
In my view the Tournament starts on the 11th with the group stages and the top 32 teams. We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks, and in the future if we expand to bring in 128 teams and we have to run the tournament over 6 weeks or more we'll do the same again.
The majority of eve players would actually want that, you're completely out of touch and your opinion is not shared by the participants nor the audience.
I can understand CCP not wanting to spend money, but you didn't actually need to since there's no shortage of people willing to volunteer to fraps and upload it for you, you (CCP) just didn't bother organizing it. This was suggested weeks ago (and again in this thread) and completely ignored.
Not ignored, we looked into it, we talked to people and decided against it.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Quote:
I know this is disappointing now, but we feel this is the best option for the tournament. We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds. When you settle in to watch the group stages and finals I'm sure you'll appreciate the decision.
Might be acceptable if you had enough "unimportant" rounds for the 40+ teams that didn't make it in, but no you weren't prepared for people to actually want to take part. (or for people to want to actually watch it??) But hey maybe in ~THE FUTURE~ right?
AT9 has been the worst organized and prepared tournament to date, maybe CCP should try giving the tournament some tiny fraction of the preparation and money spent on fanfest. Thanks for volunteering your time and all but it's not enough.
I'd gladly take more funding and more prep time, raise it with the CSM?
Loxy I think what you're failing to grasp here is that this could all be casted. Very little time would be needed to set it up. It would be in 720p or 1080p. It wouldn't cost CCP anything. You're just choosing not to even try because you don't understand.
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy unimportant rounds
well im sure there important to the players,. and seeing as what happens in these so called 'unimportant rounds' effects all the latter matches i have to say
'YOU SIR ARE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE'
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 28/05/2011 16:48:43 Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
Every single match in every round is important for so many people.
Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...
People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process.
People would rather have what we had last year than this year. I think we can pretty much take that as a given, and please stop going on about volunteers giving up their time. We appreciate what they do, but they are VOLUNTEERS. They chose to do it.
Not giving any coverage for 2 straight weeks means we have considerably less coverage than last year. We are moving back in terms of coverage. Regardless of what you think, the tournament started TODAY. Every match matters and you have basically insulted every team in qualifying this year with your previous posts about how unimportant this stage is.
Surely you can admit that this was a serious error? I'd like to see some kind of coverage next weekend, instead of leaving it to the great guys that stream their own matches.
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JackStraw56
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:53:00 -
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As a member of a team that did not get selected to compete after much preparation work, I would really like to just watch all the matches if I can't participate.
We pay CCP to play this game so pulling out the "volunteer" card is kind of lame. You are a paid employee. If you're not a paid employee then CCP please use our subscription money to pay your employees.
It's simple, CCP has decided not to tape the pre-quals. The players have made it clear they do want to see them. From a professional point of view your next steps are either to say sorry we're not planning to do that, or "due to overwhelming demand we have decided to record the matches". Not make excuses like claiming you're not getting paid enough to devote more time to this. That's not our problem, it's an internal CCP issue.
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Daneel Trevize
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 28/05/2011 17:57:21
Originally by: CCP Loxy Overall these match ups wont be as good as the later matches, the main point of qualifiers is sorting out who deserves a place in the tournament.
Are we into 'No true Scotsman' territory here? Are the matches hosted on the official tourne site right now, and happening because of previous rounds of auctions, place draws and even past victories, not part of the tourne? Arbitrary distinction is yours to make but obviously arbitrary and not in agreement with the target audience. |
colera deldios
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:58:00 -
[70]
Seriously disappoint at this decision. Alliance Tournys have always been a great occasion and something I have used to entice friends into the game for years.
I think you guys have really dropped the ball with this "some games won't be worth watching so we can't be bothered to stream them" ethos.
Kind of insulting to those who have put the time and effort into preparing and getting into this stage.
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CCP Loxy
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kurj Valdoria Loxy I think what you're failing to grasp here is that this could all be casted. Very little time would be needed to set it up. It would be in 720p or 1080p. It wouldn't cost CCP anything. You're just choosing not to even try because you don't understand.
I think after streaming the tournament since 2005 I might have an idea. The point is we're choosing not to do a sub standard show in order to commit to an awesome two weekends. It's fine saying how easy it is to do an amateur stream but we have to keep a certain level of quality, we have to have backups, we have to have commentators (seriously we'd get just as many complaints if we didn't).
We've used this time to start building the set, I've been filming the matches for some awesome footage to make material for the live show. We're all here, we're all working to make this happen but we've decided not to stream it purposively.
I'd encourage the teams to fraps or stream their own fights if they want to record their fights themselves. --------- Formally known as CCP Charlie Video Producer |
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Tyke Orlieveit
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:03:00 -
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OK.
Before this breaks into a "whine at the DEV poster" thread, I'd like to interject a little.
CCP Loxy - I'd like to thank you and your team who are volunteering your time to make this event happen. Believe it or not, it's massively appreciated.
I think a suggestion that people are wanting to make is, would it be possible for a neutral representative to be brought in ( Eve News, EVE-Radio, etc ) to be able to stream, comment, and report on the low-level matches.
I understand, and completely agree, that the beginning matches may not seem as important, but I have to disagree too, as I'd like to hear/see what's going on.. and at the moment all I'm seeing is updates on a website, and the occasional live stream via a player, and I feel it's hurting the coverage of the event as a whole.
I know there will be some terrible fights in this run, but that's what the elimination rounds are for, but I feel that a lot of us would enjoy watching these, even if they're reported by 3rd parties, and not directly by yourselves.
Is it not possible, if someone from EVE-Radio or EVE News approached you, to allow them into the arena as a spectator to broadcast and witness on this?
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Togae Alus
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Togae Alus on 28/05/2011 18:06:41
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: Kurj Valdoria Loxy I think what you're failing to grasp here is that this could all be casted. Very little time would be needed to set it up. It would be in 720p or 1080p. It wouldn't cost CCP anything. You're just choosing not to even try because you don't understand.
I think after streaming the tournament since 2005 I might have an idea. The point is we're choosing not to do a sub standard show in order to commit to an awesome two weekends. It's fine saying how easy it is to do an amateur stream but we have to keep a certain level of quality, we have to have backups, we have to have commentators (seriously we'd get just as many complaints if we didn't).
what you fail to grasp is that ppl dont really care much for the quality we dont even need the guys that comment the matches we just wanna se the development of the battles because that is what this gaes is aboutr anyway not to go look at some pics and isk stats
We've used this time to start building the set, I've been filming the matches for some awesome footage to make material for the live show. We're all here, we're all working to make this happen but we've decided not to stream it purposively.
I'd encourage the teams to fraps or stream their own fights if they want to record their fights themselves.
Look at it this way this is the football world cup and if in my country or in many other countries the qualifying matches are not televised there will be riots in the street, so just be nice and put a tourney cam up, ill do it if u need me to
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CCP Loxy
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: QwaarJet Surely you can admit that this was a serious error? I'd like to see some kind of coverage next weekend, instead of leaving it to the great guys that stream their own matches.
There are no plans to change this and we will most likely continue with this setup as we expand the tournament in the future. --------- Formally known as CCP Charlie Video Producer |
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leboe
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:07:00 -
[75]
Did you watch the paisti syndicate livestream? It was really good quality. And that was someone busy flying in the tournament. No excuse for anything less, IMO.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Aineko Macx on 28/05/2011 18:09:22
Originally by: CCP Loxy Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more.
CCP doesn't seem to realize that AT is the most important community event after Fanfest, so the commitment is basically just that: Let a bunch of employees volunteer their weekends to get it done. The flying-in-space part of the game doesn't warrant more than that apparently...
Originally by: CCP Loxy These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages ... We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds.
You miss the point, because a) often the weaker teams produce the more enjoyable matches b) for the viewer the whole event is not so much about finding out who the winner is, but about seeing enjoyable fights (there are no unimportant rounds, just boring rounds <- the rules of AT 7 and 8 were bad for this).
Even if CCP keeps not committing fully to this very good thing, you could do other nice things, like for instance crowdsourcing the production & narration of the matches, you just need to provide raw footage... ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Togae Alus
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:08:00 -
[77]
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Surely you can admit that this was a serious error? I'd like to see some kind of coverage next weekend, instead of leaving it to the great guys that stream their own matches.
There are no plans to change this and we will most likely continue with this setup as we expand the tournament in the future.
you sir are pig headed stuborn
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Surely you can admit that this was a serious error? I'd like to see some kind of coverage next weekend, instead of leaving it to the great guys that stream their own matches.
There are no plans to change this and we will most likely continue with this setup as we expand the tournament in the future.
That's fine, as long as you don't mind pages of complaints from the people you are trying to entertain.
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Tyke Orlieveit
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tyke Orlieveit on 28/05/2011 18:10:33
Originally by: leboe Did you watch the paisti syndicate livestream? It was really good quality. And that was someone busy flying in the tournament. No excuse for anything less, IMO.
I'd say it's dependent on the user's equipment, and their upstream.. if they have the hardware spare, they can provide a good cast, if the upstream's crap, then we'll see crap..
Also: For those interested, straight from the chatroom: The following matches are being broadcast by the players:
- 1920: http://www.xfire.com/live_video/neoshocker/
- 1940: http://www.livestream.com/at9atlaspreelim?t=388756
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Hydraka
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:10:00 -
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Loxy, people are desperately making their own streams to get some coverage, I guess that means that people are interested. Can we PLEASE get streams for tomorrow or at least next weekend?
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Slaktoid
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:10:00 -
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No matter what I try to write it's just gonna be blinded by rage and fury. Loxy's smug remarks aint really helping either. Disaster...
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:11:00 -
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I think after streaming the tournament since 2005 I might have an idea. The point is we're choosing not to do a sub standard show in order to commit to an awesome two weekends. It's fine saying how easy it is to do an amateur stream but we have to keep a certain level of quality, we have to have backups, we have to have commentators (seriously we'd get just as many complaints if we didn't).
We've used this time to start building the set, I've been filming the matches for some awesome footage to make material for the live show. We're all here, we're all working to make this happen but we've decided not to stream it purposively.
I'd encourage the teams to fraps or stream their own fights if they want to record their fights themselves.
rather than 'choosing not to do a sub standard show' for the pre-quals and quals, do an awsome one
exaclty what is holding ccp back from doing 4-5 awsome weekends of coverage rather than 2??
sure after setting its all up its just a matter of managment and coverage?
what is this limit of only 2 weeks of awsome shows? why only 2? why not 1 suber-uber-awsome show? why not 3?
who is setting the measure? because its not us ccp,. its not us
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VioleTAK
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Surely you can admit that this was a serious error? I'd like to see some kind of coverage next weekend, instead of leaving it to the great guys that stream their own matches.
There are no plans to change this and we will most likely continue with this setup as we expand the tournament in the future.
Fine... Act defensive. Don't own to your lacking capabilities. The tournament has started. It is not covered. Therefore, it is not a 'tournament'. Its just some... whatever thingy...
You're making me go watching soccer tonight. It is a sad day indeed, when I am forced to watch a soccer tournament over an extremely rare Eve one... Watching people fumble around with a ball, rather than watching awesome ships blow up. That I've been hyped upon for without calling.
At this point, I don't even see why advertise it on your news at all, there's nothing to see, hear, or follow in any respectable manner.
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REQUIEMSORN
Anakites
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: Kurj Valdoria Loxy I think what you're failing to grasp here is that this could all be casted. Very little time would be needed to set it up. It would be in 720p or 1080p. It wouldn't cost CCP anything. You're just choosing not to even try because you don't understand.
I think after streaming the tournament since 2005 I might have an idea. The point is we're choosing not to do a sub standard show in order to commit to an awesome two weekends. It's fine saying how easy it is to do an amateur stream but we have to keep a certain level of quality, we have to have backups, we have to have commentators (seriously we'd get just as many complaints if we didn't).
We've used this time to start building the set, I've been filming the matches for some awesome footage to make material for the live show. We're all here, we're all working to make this happen but we've decided not to stream it purposively.
I'd encourage the teams to fraps or stream their own fights if they want to record their fights themselves.
I don't think anyone here really cares about your set. The good people just want to see the tournament, which qualifiers or not is going on now.
Also, there will always be complaints....but right now no one cares about quality. People would rather watch second rate streaming then nothing at all. I'm pretty sure that has been made clear, so who cares if you won't settle for low quality production if your player base is saying GIVE ME SOMETHING TO WATCH. |
Milli Rachet
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: VioleTAK
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Surely you can admit that this was a serious error? I'd like to see some kind of coverage next weekend, instead of leaving it to the great guys that stream their own matches.
There are no plans to change this and we will most likely continue with this setup as we expand the tournament in the future.
Fine... Act defensive. Don't own to your lacking capabilities. The tournament has started. It is not covered. Therefore, it is not a 'tournament'. Its just some... whatever thingy...
You're making me go watching soccer tonight. It is a sad day indeed, when I am forced to watch a soccer tournament over an extremely rare Eve one... Watching people fumble around with a ball, rather than watching awesome ships blow up. That I've been hyped upon for without calling.
At this point, I don't even see why advertise it on your news at all, there's nothing to see, hear, or follow in any respectable manner.
That's not true! You get to see the pretty isk counter go up! Watch that for a few hours..
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:17:00 -
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Gladiators without an audience. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Lee ChanKa
WEPRA CORP WILD BOARS
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:20:00 -
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how much it cost to get some radio stream with some guy who know how to read ships names and to say us what ships are deployed and who is shooting on who?
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C0deb1ue
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:21:00 -
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Condsidering we play this game for our love of spaceships and explosions... I consider it bad form to hog them all to yourselves in the studio.. booo
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lee ChanKa how much it cost to get some radio stream with some guy who know how to read ships names and to say us what ships are deployed and who is shooting on who?
at this point I would take a skimatar caster
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leboe
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:29:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Kurj Valdoria
Originally by: Lee ChanKa how much it cost to get some radio stream with some guy who know how to read ships names and to say us what ships are deployed and who is shooting on who?
at this point I would take a skimatar caster
I guess thats the kind of quality CCP is being so careful to stick to
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:37:00 -
[91]
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 28/05/2011 16:48:43 Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
Every single match in every round is important for so many people.
Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...
People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process.
You're so out of touch with reality that it makes me feel sorry for you and your team. I don't doubt that you're giving it your best and you know what your doing, but you basicly decided to give us nothing because you had some arbitrary quality standard you're aiming for, couldn't meet it yourselves and refused to delegate the job to the community. You've constructed a self made trap for yourself, that has made your entire team unable to function properly and deliver the content your players wanted. There are easy ways a single person can do this these days, but your ignoring/being oblivious to the obvious because of self imposed limitations in how you're used to do things.
Let me just say it openly so there is no misunderstanding here. We love the high quality of AT delivery you have produced and hope you can deliver it every time, but it's just a luxury. The actual event and the fights are the things that we are interested in. If you can't deliver those fights to us in some form, you've fundamentally failed in organizing the event. You didn't have to carry all the weight and work on your own shoulders. All you had to do was say you wanted to focus on the TV broadcasts and ask if we were willing to shoulder some responsibility in order to deliver all the fights to the community. You forgot that the events are largely for the benefit of the community and have instead focused on how you, your team and CCP will be judged by the quality of your show or in this case a no-show.
I'll give you a grade, since being judged for your delivery is what you're mainly concerned about: You'll get an A for the broadcast you will make, but your average for this AT is down and you might epicly fail, since you forgot that you aren't just judged by the quality of the work that you do, but also by your failure to deliver at all on 2/3rds of the content. Better luck next time.
PS. I still love you, but this is one weak ass boring tournament, if half the fighting can't be experienced by the community in any way. It's like watching <insert your favorite sports tournament>, not being able to see the actual matches and only reading about the results after the matches are finished.
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Alexi Blue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:38:00 -
[92]
Originally by: CCP Loxy nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks
Source? ---
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Hoshi
The Einherjar Corporation
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:41:00 -
[93]
The reason CCP have such high standard is because they see this as a marketing thing. The TV coverge is advertisment to people who are not playing eve. For Eve players just a pure video stream is enough bit for advertisment it's not. ---------------------------------------- "Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason." |
Daneel Trevize
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:46:00 -
[94]
I'm sure all the negative comments on the seemingly FaceBook-powered Matches pages mesh well with that PR plan. |
Cunane Jeran
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:55:00 -
[95]
Why not keep it audio only for these then? I can't speak for everyone but for me personally, just an audio only, with maybe a round table between matches, a bit of banter done by volunteers on eve voice would be more than enough in these early stages.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:56:00 -
[96]
I really hoped to see something fresh and different :/
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Wolke 7
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:12:00 -
[97]
Heck let be these "round tables" between fights. Awkward stuff, this is not football where you can babble endlessly about tactics and persons and fouls whatnot.
2 male commentators in the matches with some knowledge of the political landscape as well as mechanics and good camera coverage is all it needs. For me at least, no problem to have a testscreen between fights with elevator music.
Oh, and nice attitude.
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Andrew Riviera
Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:13:00 -
[98]
Serious question for you, Loxy. If the qualifying rounds are closed to the public (a decision I vehemently disagree with, but that's already been stated) then why does the EVE Newsletter read, and I quote exactly:
'Alliance Tournament 9's first round of pre-qualifying battles are set to kick off May 28th and 29th as over five dozen EVE alliances field their best pilots for the title of AT9 Alliance Champions. Be there as it happens with EVE TV, bringing the battles to you live, in HD and free of charge.'
That doesn't just imply that the full tournament is going to be streamed starting with the qualifiers, it flat-out states it in unambiguous terms. Maybe, just maybe, if you weren't planning to live up to the standards of, oh, just about every previous alliance tournament, you shouldn't tell people otherwise?
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:25:00 -
[99]
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Surely you can admit that this was a serious error? I'd like to see some kind of coverage next weekend, instead of leaving it to the great guys that stream their own matches.
There are no plans to change this and we will most likely continue with this setup as we expand the tournament in the future.
Just wait, it'll get worse. They'll start selling tourney slots AND video coverage in the upcoming Incarna Ca$h $hop.
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shgn
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:27:00 -
[100]
'Alliance Tournament 9's first round of pre-qualifying battles are set to kick off May 28th and 29th as over five dozen EVE alliances field their best pilots for the title of AT9 Alliance Champions. Be there as it happens with EVE TV, bringing the battles to you live, in HD and free of charge.'
CCP--- READ AGAIN
and again
AND
AGAIN
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:29:00 -
[101]
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Quote:
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These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
They won't be as good ? Says who ? It's an entirely different format and very interesting since it's been years since the last 5v5 matches in a tournament..
Overall these match ups wont be as good as the later matches, the main point of qualifiers is sorting out who deserves a place in the tournament.
I seriously doubt that.
There are some VERY interesting pairings already.
Just look at the first four matches today:
White Noise. vs. Majesta Empire Outbreak vs. RvB - Blue Republic The R0NIN vs. Ushra'Khan GoonSwarm vs. Wildly Inappropriate
You say they are not good quality? They are as good as it can get. Also we have Rote Kapelle, Black Legion, Atlas, Star Fraction, Morsus Mihi, AAA, Razor and tons of other good teams.
Why do you say that this is not good quality?
I can understand when you say that there are just not enough resources available (and no mistake, quality live coverage eats up TONS of resources), but bad quality? I don't think so. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:50:00 -
[102]
The sad thing to me is that 5-vs-5 represents an entirely different side of Eve compared to 10-vs-10.
Lower fielded DPS means lots more time for individual and group prowess to change the tide of battle as well as challenge the pre-match planning to a much greater extent.
Doesn't EveRadio or some similar org. have people that can watch a monitor in London or Iceland? Audio broadcast was pretty good last time (last year?).
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MrBlades
Caldari Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:52:00 -
[103]
We wasn't invited. :)
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:13:00 -
[104]
We just watched a great 'unimportant' fight. Thanks to all the people that made it happen, you are interweb heroes!
Boohoo CCP ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:18:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Aineko Macx We just watched a great 'unimportant' fight. Thanks to all the people that made it happen, you are interweb heroes!
Boohoo CCP
This. Totally says it all. Many thanks to people who are putting up live streams.
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leboe
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:22:00 -
[106]
Hate to toot our own horn, but that was a very good match between two very good teams and CCP missed it.
We were very fortunate to have a livestream from one of the black legion. pilots as our fraps pilot was primaried.
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:25:00 -
[107]
Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:25:59 look guys it all about quality,.. just think if ccp spent all their time streaming all of the fights they'd be unable to provide us with these awsome charts,
http://at.eve-ic.net/9/index.php?view=statistics
SEE! there soo easy to understand and intuitive like all ccp products are known for, these charts make perfect sence, i can't see how anyone could be in doubt of what happened during the fights.................
lolololololololololololololollo
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Wardeneo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:04:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Ugleb It is not often that I write such things, but hey, I'm feeling down.
This alliance tournament is starting with what may actually be the worst coverage of any tournament. While the second half will be live streamed with I'm sure the level of polish we enjoyed in AT8, the first half of the tournament will be neither seen nor heard by anyone not present in the arena.
I have to ask, what then is the point of two weekends of qualifiers that we will neither see nor hear?
This is a community event to which the community was not invited.
Live streaming has its costs, to be sure. But in previous tournamenmts the opening weekends were at least provided with an audio commentary on fansites such as EVE Radio or simply through EVE Voice.
Even in the early days before EVE TV and EVE Voice, I recall that CCP allowed each alliance to send an 'observer' along to watch the fight and commentate over TS/Vent to their own alliance. At least then we could sit rigid in our seats, headphones cradled to our ears as our guys fought for our good name.
In this tournament, half of all the competing alliances will have been eliminated before anyone gets to so much as hear a shot fired.
I have all due respect and appreciation for the volunteers in the Interstellar Correspondents, but being presented with the match stats after the fact is no substitute. It might as well be a link to a killboard for all the connection I will feel to it.
Good luck to my alliance mates fighting in a few moments, while I'm rooting for you I'm afraid I won't exactly be cheering you on this time round.
CCP, I hope you can pull something out of the bag and deliver on at least an EVE Voice commentation for next weekend. The community is crying out for it.
2bh all it takes if for the camera guy to run fraps in the background n then upload to youtube later - not that expensive ^^ - n 2bh watching it couple of hours late is better than not watching it all all ^^ .
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Slaktoid
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:05:00 -
[109]
Thanks to all those who streamed their match. The guy from Paisti Syndicate especially had great quality. Thanks also to IC's 1996-quakeworld-irc-style coverage. The night was pretty interesting, some very interesting results and matches.
Players for tomorrow I urge you to check out this streaming guide, if you have time: http://root-destiny.com/newbies-guide-to-streaming/
Lets hope "The Powers that Be" at some point catch on; This is good stuff. We want more of this stuff. Small gang warfare: THIS is what matters.
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:24:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Slaktoid
Lets hope "The Powers that Be" at some point catch on; This is good stuff. We want more of this stuff. Small gang warfare: THIS is what matters.
So much this. That 5v5 was the most exciting tourney match I've ever flown in (in terms of fight quality--SF vs BoB was obv. exciting for a totally different reason), and our match was literally a nail-biter to the very end. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:32:00 -
[111]
Originally by: visableone Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:31:29 Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:25:59 look guys it all about quality,.. just think if ccp spent all their time streaming all of the fights they'd be unable to provide us with these awsome charts,
http://at.eve-ic.net/9/index.php?view=statistics
SEE! there soo easy to understand and intuitive like all ccp products are known for, these charts make perfect sence, i can't see how anyone could be in doubt of what happened during the fights.................
- The site is provided by IC, not CCP.
- IC volunteers are not CCP employees - we are players who work hard to make something awesome
- IC has produced ship by ship breakdowns, a full match report and pictures for every match: example
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:36:00 -
[112]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: visableone Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:31:29 Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:25:59 look guys it all about quality,.. just think if ccp spent all their time streaming all of the fights they'd be unable to provide us with these awsome charts,
http://at.eve-ic.net/9/index.php?view=statistics
SEE! there soo easy to understand and intuitive like all ccp products are known for, these charts make perfect sence, i can't see how anyone could be in doubt of what happened during the fights.................
- The site is provided by IC, not CCP.
- IC volunteers are not CCP employees - we are players who work hard to make something awesome
- IC has produced ship by ship breakdowns, a full match report and pictures for every match: example
Let me say that the match report for match 5 is awesome. Make that guy write more
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:39:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Dinta Zembo Let me say that the match report for match 5 is awesome. Make that guy write more
Thank you, I'll pass the comment on to her
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:41:00 -
[114]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Dinta Zembo Let me say that the match report for match 5 is awesome. Make that guy write more
Thank you, I'll pass the comment on to her
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REQUIEMSORN
Anakites
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:42:00 -
[115]
Edited by: REQUIEMSORN on 28/05/2011 21:42:41
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: visableone Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:31:29 Edited by: visableone on 28/05/2011 20:25:59 look guys it all about quality,.. just think if ccp spent all their time streaming all of the fights they'd be unable to provide us with these awsome charts,
http://at.eve-ic.net/9/index.php?view=statistics
SEE! there soo easy to understand and intuitive like all ccp products are known for, these charts make perfect sence, i can't see how anyone could be in doubt of what happened during the fights.................
- The site is provided by IC, not CCP.
- IC volunteers are not CCP employees - we are players who work hard to make something awesome
- IC has produced ship by ship breakdowns, a full match report and pictures for every match: example
So, why doesn't one of them stream the matches seeing as ccp doesn't give a ****. I like pictures and all but yeah. |
HonkiPonki
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:10:00 -
[116]
Edited by: HonkiPonki on 28/05/2011 22:12:02 ccp could at least record and you tube them, and don tell me " omg thas gonan cost us OMGOMG, our budget" ... seriously... want me to send u a 120Ç pc and a license for fraps so u girls got stuff done without hurting ur budget.. ow wait i didnt think of the overpayed programmers that need to push the "start record" and "end record " bottens, not to meantion the 2 min upload tiem for u-tuuube. then again im pretty shrue ull find soem cheap workingcraft who can manage that skillwise without asking 4000@ / month.
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Terrare Vordai
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:27:00 -
[117]
Bump, as I too am an EVE player that would like to see these matches. I also don't get what's so expensive about posting videos to youtube if you are already recording them to begin with.
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CCP Soundwave
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:30:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Terrare Vordai Bump, as I too am an EVE player that would like to see these matches. I also don't get what's so expensive about posting videos to youtube if you are already recording them to begin with.
It's costs, but more than anything the minimum standard we have for broadcasting. Having a guy put something up on Justin doesn't really work for a big corporation, anyone in one will grasp that pretty easily. Once we go into the studio weekends, it's with several cameras, professional editing etc. Anything outside of that we're simply not going to publish. We could stream these two first weekends, but that would mean a commitment that could cut into our two studio weekends, which we're really excited about getting back to. It's a harsh priority, but that's life.
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Milli Rachet
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:32:00 -
[119]
Then let the community do it soundwave? CCP won't have to take any part of it.
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Daneel Trevize
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:37:00 -
[120]
Good job you're not a big corp then eh?
Dear lord give your customers what they want.
This is all really about how it looks to investors/buyers isn't it, not the the game players. All this tech corification for licensing/selling and World of Darkness beta-testing. At least, that's the impression we get. |
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Terrare Vordai
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:38:00 -
[121]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Terrare Vordai Bump, as I too am an EVE player that would like to see these matches. I also don't get what's so expensive about posting videos to youtube if you are already recording them to begin with.
It's costs, but more than anything the minimum standard we have for broadcasting. Having a guy put something up on Justin doesn't really work for a big corporation, anyone in one will grasp that pretty easily. Once we go into the studio weekends, it's with several cameras, professional editing etc. Anything outside of that we're simply not going to publish. We could stream these two first weekends, but that would mean a commitment that could cut into our two studio weekends, which we're really excited about getting back to. It's a harsh priority, but that's life.
I appreciate that you're at least talking to us about it - you could completely ignore the issue.
I have to disagree though - I don't think your players expect quality, commentary, professional editing, or anything of the above in the first qualifying matches. They're simply bored, probably mining or running a mission and want to watch something eve-related on their other monitor (like I am..) As crazy as this sounds, a large chunk of the alliance-tournament watching crowd looks forward to this for a long time and is excited about it - they want to watch the entire process. I wouldn't expect it would take more than an hour or two of someone's time to go through and upload the matches to youtube. Heck, next year you could even have a single player participate in the alliance tournament process and do recording/posting to youtube of the initial qualifying matches for you. Then, technically, it's not even your neck on the line when the quality is crappy.
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CCP Soundwave
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:40:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Milli Rachet Then let the community do it soundwave? CCP won't have to take any part of it.
That's the issue, we'd still be sanctioning it if we had them on grid with camera accounts. I'm thrilled that teams are taking it on themselves, but apart from allowing players to film the fights, there's not much we can do.
Still. Four days with a live studio. I can't tell you how much I've missed that. A single studio weekend you never really hit the groove properly, this is going to be good.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:40:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Dinta Zembo on 28/05/2011 22:40:49 Soundwave, people are already making their own streams and they haven't been declared illegal or anything. So what's the deal of having somebody (a volunteer, read that carefully, means no costs) do the streams for each match?
Really, is somebody going to burn CCP to the ground for streaming qualifiers in low quality because the players want it?
Edit: didn't read the post before this until after I posted this but still
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StarTrotter
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:40:00 -
[124]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Terrare Vordai Bump, as I too am an EVE player that would like to see these matches. I also don't get what's so expensive about posting videos to youtube if you are already recording them to begin with.
It's costs, but more than anything the minimum standard we have for broadcasting. Having a guy put something up on Justin doesn't really work for a big corporation, anyone in one will grasp that pretty easily.
Remember who you work to please. I understand wanting to keep up a standard but when what is essentially your player base starts asking for something, i dont think its fair for you to talk about 'standards'. surely you will not be disappointing and audience with bad quality if its that same audience is asking for it.
However i would say this thread by no means represents the whole eve player base, perhaps an opinion poll to clear up this mess. armor hacs Armor Hacs ARMOR HACS!!!! |
Milli Rachet
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:47:00 -
[125]
How about this then. One of the observers stream to someone 'for personal use'. Then that person restream to one of the streaming sites? Then you don't have to move anyone to the field. And you don't even have to know about it. :D
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ONROP
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Posted - 2011.05.28 23:18:00 -
[126]
Did CCp ever think to ask the Eve community what they would prefer?
4 Days of full studio coverage
Or
Full coverage of the whole tournament with out all of the fancy jaz.
Personally I would have went for B. And I think there are at least 8 pages worth of complaints on these forums comming from guys and gals that would agree.
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Lee ChanKa
WEPRA CORP WILD BOARS
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Posted - 2011.05.28 23:24:00 -
[127]
or give us radio stream..you need to c battlefield and one mic from 5 euro
many ppl would say you thanks for that...or some fast updates(twitter ?) like...
blue deploy that red deploy that
blue primary that red doing that blue lost that red doing that blue doing that red lost that fight finish,reds win...
anything..so we can have at least some picture in head till we are waiting end of fight to c final result...
regard lee aka ewqi
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Spark's
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.05.28 23:35:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Ugleb It is not often that I write such things, but hey, I'm feeling down.
I too is pretty disappointed with your choice not to broadcast the tournaments but i do understand your position. I do have 2 slight issues with you saying that:
1. These stages are not important as it belittles your own tournament. They matter to everyone that take part in it.
2. Tournament starts on the 11th. Na tournament started today :P hehe
I can tell you that you are slightly erked with the posters. Better to have passionate players than having people that don't give a stuff
I'd love to watch all the matches but as you stated that you aren't changing your position that's pretty much the end which is fair enough. People can complain but i'm sure you will take it into consideration next time, hopefully people wont remember this tournament for the start but for the shocking/interesting things that normally happen during the matches later on! Things are only starting. Some interesting twists and turns so far. Lets hope for more! Woot! Just here, stealing your killz |
Fractal X
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Posted - 2011.05.28 23:41:00 -
[129]
Alright so no live video stream for these rounds. What about audio? Give EvE-radio access or something. Surely that's doable?
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Ancient Memories
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Posted - 2011.05.28 23:44:00 -
[130]
The more they justify it, the more they win.
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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2011.05.28 23:46:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Fractal X Alright so no live video stream for these rounds. What about audio? Give EvE-radio access or something. Surely that's doable?
For the last times we broadcasted the audio it was from the ingame audio stream via eve voice this time there was nothing about so we could not do this Now with added extra Wigglyness and a big white fluffy bunny suit with a BLUE BOW TIE on Mondays 19:00 - 22:00 GMT on EVE-Radio.
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InnerDrive
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.28 23:47:00 -
[132]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Terrare Vordai Bump, as I too am an EVE player that would like to see these matches. I also don't get what's so expensive about posting videos to youtube if you are already recording them to begin with.
It's costs, but more than anything the minimum standard we have for broadcasting. Having a guy put something up on Justin doesn't really work for a big corporation, anyone in one will grasp that pretty easily. Once we go into the studio weekends, it's with several cameras, professional editing etc. Anything outside of that we're simply not going to publish. We could stream these two first weekends, but that would mean a commitment that could cut into our two studio weekends, which we're really excited about getting back to. It's a harsh priority, but that's life.
And that line is where you lost the playerbase and community completely. Basicly ever since CCP became this "big corporation" the close connection with the community went "poefff". Its like now all of a sudden some things you cant do anymore. There is stuff that we see as no problem. Thats now impossible for you. I for one dont understand it. Bring back the company that woud do anything in its power to give the players a great experience. Do it for the players.
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Nix Gravity
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Posted - 2011.05.29 00:20:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Nix Gravity on 29/05/2011 00:26:18 This is supposed to be the big mad gladiatorial celebration of Eve's beautiful PvP, unmarred by supercap hotdrops, megablobs, and hours of fleeing prey. And for me it's coming up short of that right now.
One thing that surprises me as a psychologist is the designation of the preliminary matches as part of the tournament, therefore framing our expectations. CCP could have stated that teams will do 5v5 skirmishes to qualify for the tournament, effectively having the tournament start at the group stages, something that Loxy is, for some reason, stopping just short of saying (I suppose it's tricky in retrospective). Hell, they could have even arranged these with the applicants behind the scenes, announcing the triumphant competitors who won their space in the tournament. Word of this would spread down the grapevine, but if the intention is to keep the official content to the highest standard, why not make us feel like you tested these teams by something more than the feel of their nametag in a hat?
Once the 5v5 fights are announced as round 1 of the tournament, we both want and expect to see them.
The thing that disappoints me as a fan of the game, is that the revival of the 5v5 format will go entirely without CCP coverage. We are even being given clashing information where on the one hand 5v5 is seen as a valid method to determine Alliances' ability to compete in the tournament, and on the other it's being designated as not worth watching. Which one is it?
To answer the question about the Alliance Tournament that Russel Crowe managed to sneak into Gladiator: I am not entertained.
ADDENDUM Also, with all this talk of volunteers, ye make it sound like Eve is being run by such, in the spare time your staff can squirrel away from the mines wherein World of Darkness is being forged. Surely Eve still has a PR department whose job (rather than volunteer assignment) it is to make Alliance Tournament awesome? Because it actually is. Last year I have gotten people who don't even play the game to watch it, and some of them came to play the game because the fights are pretty close to being as good as e-sports can be at the moment.
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Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.29 00:20:00 -
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I ain't a very vocal poster.
But this time, I gotta say: This sucks.
You can't do a tourney without proper coverage.
This is some really cheap chance to get PR basically for free. It's not for free though, you have to pay a couple of employees through 4 weekends. Not that hard after all.
Get your **** sorted. TYVM.
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.29 00:33:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Kurj Valdoria on 29/05/2011 00:33:24 Soundwave, in all honesty, nothing anyone broadcasts on JTV could make CCP or EVE look worse than what you guys are doing right now. You guys have made a mistake. It's time to man up and admit it and move past it.
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Toight Tigah
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Posted - 2011.05.29 01:48:00 -
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the fact that we had to watch/read these matches in an IRC chat room to follow what was going on was the saddest experience ive ever had in eve.
this is 2011 and you guys run an internet gaming company and seriously this was your best effort?
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Olivor
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Posted - 2011.05.29 02:16:00 -
[137]
It's a good thing I only log in to EVE to change skills these days...
If I were in the least bit excited by this (or even remembered it was happening today) sitting in a chatroom to hear results would have been utterly dire. It's all very well arguing that it'll "sort the wheat from the chaff" for the televised weekends but the simple fact of the matter is that if one team turns up during TV weekend with a set up that completely counters the other teams set up you'll still get boring 100-0 victories, however well executed. Previous tournaments when EVE uni etc have been televised with smartbombs or whatever you've always said oh very funny, good show, glad to see them, hope they had fun.
Now it's, they're not good enough, no air time for them, we only care about the "pro" teams. You're also dragging it out for two extra weeks with qualifying rounds but you've not increased the number of teams initially entered so I really cannot see the point. A far, far, FAR better format would be something used for Champs League / Europa League qualifiers.
Qualifying Weekend 1 - 56 new / lowest ranked alliances - 28 progress to weekend 2. Qualifying Weekend 2 - 28 surviving teams + 28 medium ranked alliances - 28 progress to Group Stage.
Group Stage - 28 surviving alliances + 4 highest ranked alliances
Eight groups of four, no top four alliance can be in the same group as another top four alliance. Three matches, bish bash bosh - continue format as before from here.
This means you get 88 alliances able to compete rather than 68, it promotes teams from previous tourneys to enter as they'll have some sort of rank. Back up teams and new faces would be chucked in at weekend one, still causing a potential for upset for the newcomers and making it tougher for backup teams to get through.
Now, when it comes down to covering qualifiers...
You have in the Interstellar Correspondents a team of people MORE than willing to sit around being a cameraman, you have plenty of commentators who didn't get to the TV weekend MORE than willing to show their stuff. To link to each commentator you already have soundwave giving up his weekend.
So... you link these people together, make sure you've got a few cameramen with decent streaming gear incase one drops, chuck the five ships for each team on either side of the screen. Voila, qualifiers covered at... how much extra cost?
Or if that isn't good enough how about PLEX for qualifier weekend streaming... As EVE seems to be all about these microtransactions now!
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Shivalla
Gallente Financial Removal THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2011.05.29 02:48:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Shivalla on 29/05/2011 02:50:47 From this whole thread full of ideas and solutions to a problem that has risen from clientbase not being able to see matches that intrest em, I have concluded that CCP wants to uphold a quality of "service", and because this "service" is not able to be done in a proper quality, it will not be done at all.
So, as we now know that CCP is a big company, and has to uphold these quality standards, I want to ask; Who are you making this event for?
As the main clientbase is clearly stating, that their intrest is merely on the CONTENT of the matches, not the polished studios with sexeh male/female commentators speaking utter eve jabber.
You decided that because you are not able to produce given quality for the feed you aint doing it at all.
This surely sounds like you are doing this Tournament for sake of marketing and public relations rather than the clientbase who is actually the people who participate, produce your fights, and in all fairness, allows your company to GET this PR/Marketing opportunity.
If I understand this correctly, it's a situation which could be described to be like a "sword of damocles" hangin on top of your head.
Either you rise with it, or you fall for wielding it.
Community responses are the one which will be the deciding factor now that it's getting to this really. Facebook page getting commentary regarding this, and well, AT9 page comments aint really good PR either.
Im not native english speaker, so I hope people in CCP understand what I am trying to rely here...
Yours,
Shivalla
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Barrackus
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Posted - 2011.05.29 02:50:00 -
[139]
At least YouTube the matches. I'm sure you could get some community volunteers to narrarate them for free also.
WTF
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Toterra
Lobster Exogalactic
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Posted - 2011.05.29 02:58:00 -
[140]
Seriously!!!
Get your a$$ out of the sand and broadcast the remaining matches. Don't insult your users.
CCP is total fail at this point. If a single competitor existed (sandbox space sim game) they are dead.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.29 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 29/05/2011 03:08:07
Originally by: CCP Soundwave That's the issue, we'd still be sanctioning it if we had them on grid with camera accounts. I'm thrilled that teams are taking it on themselves, but apart from allowing players to film the fights, there's not much we can do.
Wow i love you and all soundwave but the ~big corporate attitude~ you're presenting here is incredibly pathetic, stupid and counter-productive.
Seriously you think letting volunteers come into the arena and record matches would degrade ~your precious image~ ????
Buhu, some random imaginary idiots might think it's CCP that is providing a substandard stream and that it's not just volunteers frapsing and uploading WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA what a horrific blow to your ~image~ that would be.
If you think completely neglecting and pretty much actively preventing people from watching nearly half of the matches is better for CCP or the tournament then you must not have been paying attention to your audience and customer base's reaction to this year's tourney team's poorly implemented and thought out new ideas.
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IDGAD
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Posted - 2011.05.29 03:08:00 -
[142]
Give it a rest guys, CCP knows how addicted we are, that most of us won't quit EVE Online, and already calculated how many players they will lose by not streaming the first 2 weekends. The cost/benefit just isn't there. Oh the community desires take backseat to CCP profit margins? Should not be a surprise at all friends. It's a company, if your boss told you "Hey if you come in on Saturday your work will look a little better but you won't get paid more." would you still go into work?
I'm not very articulate and it's late for me, but any chance for me to jab at GM's for not doing what I want them to I'm going to take.
Yay CCP. Great game but it's not perfect, try to make it better, even if you have to come in on Saturday.
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Angel HUN
Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.05.29 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Angel HUN on 29/05/2011 03:38:18
Originally by: Exordium8
So why not ask for community volunteers to stream/comment?
Not much work for you guys, is it? After all, wouldn't be your coverage.
I'm sure quite a number of people (probably even more qualified than myself) offered to do this and were turned down.
Alas, that is CCP and EVETV's prerogative.
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Nytemaster
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.05.29 03:59:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Nytemaster on 29/05/2011 04:00:53 What has always made Eve a great and enjoyable game for me along with many people is the game development has been around creating tools so players can enjoy the sandbox. We can tolerate a system being camped so heavily we're even afraid our covert-ops ship may be podded or destroyed immediately upon jumping in. We can even tolerate Titan doomsdays (pre-nerf), Titan bridging, Black-op Hotdrops and the current imbalance of capital ships. We can tolerate many a good thing so long as you have provided a way to counter these methods.
But, when it comes to the alliance tournament, you have not allowed one key fundamental position and fundamental aspect the game has balanced itself around, a PLAYER SOLUTION to evolve from the problem.
I am sure there are tons of aspects of the game play and changes that were derived from player solutions. I would even go so far as to believe MOST of them came from us, not from game developers themselves. So therefore I ask the development, create the TOOLS so us players can do and see as many boring alliance tournaments as we want. Create a SYSTEM where spectators can watch without interference, point their fancy cameras and do the work you don't think is worthy. Because if you TRULY believe your mantra, that is what you would do, instead of insisting on telling us NO NO NO.
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NeoShocker
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.05.29 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: NeoShocker on 29/05/2011 05:39:16 Sigh, what to say. I think its easier to express it like this CCP.
I still love you and your game, but I must say this is the horrible start in the history of Eve-O Tournament in terms of providing what the community wants, which is information.
I fully understand of not needing the stream or any sort of live VIDEO for the pre-qualifications (yet I disagree NOT recording ANY of it).
But what I DON'T understand is why we're not granted any sort of AUDIO news. Twitter? Are you kidding me? You want us to press F5 every minute or less to get the updated news? How did you, CCP, stoop so low?
I don't buy the "oh come on 4 weeks? too hard" excuses or "how costly" because one thing that Eve-Online beats most games, is because of the COMMUNITY, and the community is WILLING to help enhance the game, for example, EVE Radio or Eve TV (I take it CCP forgot they existed? strange). Yet CCP denied such oppurtunities, for whatever reason, I don't know and its not excusable, in my opinion.
I took the oppurtunity to stream on Brick Squad match, even more than two hours before the match. I wanted to try something that community wants, a stream, or at least some instant information of what's happening, not pressing F5 on a damn web browser.
It was also an oppurtunity to test out how it'll affect me during the match ... Which is a bit, some FPS loss, but not game hindering at all, very minimal lag.
Had like 140 watching during the match. Medium quality using the X-fire stream. Some minor complains of blurriness (but no one really complain or mention such blurriness during the 2 hours of testing) after the game match is done. If given the oppurtunity again NEXT WEEK, I'll raise the bandwith for better resolution and maybe people can see better and another test on next brick squad match ... providing if I'm in the match.
After the match, I thought to myself, why did CCP did not give someone an oppurtunity to stream the match? Why is it so "hard" not to let a third person party to stream such matches when it is NO cost to CCP? Why Eve-Radio is not covering the audio? I'm pretty sure they can also cover the Stream quite as easily ...
Personally, I think someone did a very bad job, a bad job not giving the Eve-Online community a chance to help make the game better, especially a YEARLY event like Alliance Tournament. Sigh. ----------------------------------- Peace through power! |
Silicon Sailor
Northgate
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Posted - 2011.05.29 06:17:00 -
[146]
OK, so you are NOT going to stream any of the Qualifiers, nor will you allow others "on-grid" to do the same. The rationale is that you want to save all your efforts for the last weeks... OK, I understand (not HAPPY, but I get it)
However, on the subject of making the "On-Camera" events better, I would like to suggest something... Can you have some of your dev's craft up a view (that only the commentators can see, and therefore need not be "Release-ready") that shows exactly what each ship is carrying? In the past, there have been many times where the commentators have said... I guess X must be using beam.. no pulse... no looks like beam... errr... <mumble> As a viewer, I would like to hear a lot more about who shot what where, and possibly the commentators can then spend a wee bit more time talking about tactics as they unfold, and less time trying to interpret exactly which squiggle is shield repping, and which is energy xfer, etc...
Yes, this would mean you'd have to delay the matches a say, 10 minutes, to eliminate the "intel" from making a difference to the combatants, but could make for a MUCH more informative/engaging match
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Slaktoid
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Posted - 2011.05.29 09:09:00 -
[147]
Soundwave, I just don't get your stanza on this. It almost sounds like you're ashamed of the community or something. Or you want this thing to be a picture-perfect Eve Online ad-campaign to draw in new players. It hardly comes across as a "By the community - For the community" type of event and more like "For those we haven't milked yet - By CCP".
Just have to resound what's been said before: AT9 coverage is gonna be great from 32-team groupstages. Overall AT9 is gonna be good. It could have been Legendary.
Look to Starcraft 2 and all the streamcontent generated every day for that game. The game sells itself in so many ways, and Blizzard don't have to do a thing. You also don't see Blizzard trying to uphold community-events to some arbitrary company standards. The daily Starcraft 2 content produced by the likes of Day[9], State of the Game, Onemoregametv, Husky and so many more, draws in new players continuously.
All the Youtube-videos, the playergenerated content (especially with panic-stricken FC voiceovers) of Eve Online is the best damn marketing campaign you could ever ask for. It shows why "this ****z for realz", unlike so many other games. Why not put this vehicle to good use?
I also wanna correct Spark's' remark:
[Quote]They matter to everyone that take part in it.[/Quote]
This is not correct. They matter to EVERYONE. We literally kill for this stuff.
And to all who are saying CCP should "at least record it and put it on Youtube". While that would be good, it's not good enough. This is great, prime-time content (EU TZ anyway). It belongs first and foremost in a live stream.
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Sarga Diamat
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Posted - 2011.05.29 09:16:00 -
[148]
Originally by: CCP Loxy The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more.
Are you serious? You're having to put in free time to do this? I'm shocked. Something that is IMHO such a good addition to the EVE experience should be organised and run on the company's time. On the other hand, if this is a "free time thing", I'm wondering why the people in the community who want to help aren't brought in. That should help a bundle with all the work that is needed. I have a big ol' glassfiber pipe out of my house. I could surely handle a stream. Oh, and any necessary coordination with the community? There is probably some community member who wants to help out there... (hint)
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ProContractor
Caldari Viagra Lovers
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Posted - 2011.05.29 10:24:00 -
[149]
Originally by: CCP Loxy This is a try at being adaptable and expanding the tournament for the future. In the televised group stages you'll see the top 32 teams, play multiple times, these teams have proved themselves in the qualifiers to be capable and we should have a great show.
These two weekends are the qualifiers, where we trim the poor teams from the ones with serious ambition. While there are bound to be some good fights here they won't be as good as the group stages, neither has been our coverage in the past which is why we are no longer streaming this part.
In my view the Tournament starts on the 11th with the group stages and the top 32 teams. We can not cover 4 weeks solid of the tournament, nor would a majority of EVE players want to get drowned in news of the tournament for four straight weeks, and in the future if we expand to bring in 128 teams and we have to run the tournament over 6 weeks or more we'll do the same again.
I know this is disappointing now, but we feel this is the best option for the tournament. We're increasing the full coverage from one weekend to two, and to compensate we're dropping the rather poor coverage of the unimportant rounds. When you settle in to watch the group stages and finals I'm sure you'll appreciate the decision.
I'll reply more after today's matches.
I don't care what YOU think... what i care about is that there is many more than YOU who wants to see the AT9 live and ccp has the opportunity to stream it and i don't need to have a hole studio with commentators and stuff i just want to see it live is that so much to ask for ?
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HonkiPonki
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:22:00 -
[150]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave but more than anything the minimum standard we have
no offence to anyone in ccp, BUT "minimum standarts" *coth hearing that from cpp makes me giggle a little. i wonder where thsoe standarts where when the "jump bug" was there for 2-3 weeks causing all of eve to jitterscreen when jumpign gates .P Or i donno *coth* the issue that is since the glorios sansha sh** that makes enemys on overview have theyr raneg freez, or the ewar notification icons permarun no matter if still active or not. i wonder how these " quite important thigns for daily pvp" are not within ur "minimum standart" but when it coems to videos nothign but a hollywood studio edit is good enoth..
i do understand the desire to "show the world how awsoem eve is", BUT, clearly the COMMUNITY doesnt give to much about ccps "oppinions" on how professional these vids of a fight need to be.
all in all another fail for cpp due to stubborn. " we planned it this way, the community will find it awsome and thas how its gonna happen"
welcome to realety dear ccp .P
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Sahjahn
Caldari Temporal Weapon Against Time
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:33:00 -
[151]
With all the *****ing and whinning this year round CCP should just dump the tournament and give a big 'F*** You'.
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Daneel Trevize
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:34:00 -
[152]
But then we wouldn't have any action to watch... |
Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:52:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Daneel Trevize But then we wouldn't have any action to watch...
EPIC TROLL IS EPIC
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Spectral Commander
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Posted - 2011.05.29 15:42:00 -
[154]
So these "studio" weekends that are suppose to be "Epic" and "Awesome"... what happens when you don't deliver on that end and you just end up with your typical craptastic handout CCP?
Then what will you have left to fall back on?
Let's face it, the Eve Allianct Tournament is by far the biggest marketing tool you have to keep current players connected to the game and the community as well as bring new players to the game. I'm a person who has been playing Eve off and on for many years now with multiple accounts, the thing that brought me to Eve was the Alliance Tournament. None of your studio productions have ever blown me out of the water or been so great and amazing... by most standards your "studio" weekends are sub par, and sure people complain about it, but it doesn't matter to me how subpar it is as long as I get to see the action of the game.
I'd rather see 120 fights of mid level quality, even if the commentary is poor or non-existent.. than to be promised to see half as many fights with "epic, awesome" studio quality. I'll be waiting and watching to see just how "great" your studio weekends will be, but I'm already putting a couple check marks on the line that says you won't deliver nearly as great a production as you think it will be and you're only making it that much harder to reach the mark by casting all your chips on that statement.
You've taken the one thing that I've always thought you guys did right and basically screwed the pooch this year. The AT is the one event for EVE that I look forward to each year and I feel like I've been cheated out of it already. This just seems to further show how far out of touch with the player base CCP has truly become when they can't see that watching epic fights no matter the quality means more to us than some song and dance done between matches.
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Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.29 15:52:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Cap Tyrian on 29/05/2011 15:58:09
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...
People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process.
Oh Loxy, sacrificing your weekends for free and no thanks what so ever from the community.
Your right that no matter what you do, we always want more. Although, this time, undoubtedly, the tournament relay struck bottom.
For almost any other thing in eve, there are people who whine and people who like it. like Blasters could use a buff, but for now, they are cheap.
I'm not seeing much people say "who cares about the 5v5. I want to see OOPZ fight PWR in blue ray Quality"
The content of the Flaim is what counts, "This year wasn't good, but last year was worse" = this year is better then last year. = good tournament.
Surely I'll watch the stream and some good fights are guaranteed but the organization is ground braking bad for this time of age. But hey, that's no ones fault as ~no one saw that coming~
And lastly, you're emphasising allot that it is your spare time, you and the others are sacrificing your weekends for this. An argument that is very heavy indeed. However, CCP has what, 600 employees, 300 on eve. Most of witch where "eve players and big fans" yet only a handful is whiling to invest their free time to "work" on the AT. That alone seems in many ways awkward, given that we, the community, consider eve and the AT a wonderful way of spending our spare time and great fun. And we are giving our best.
There is allot of work you needed to do that we don't see, but hands down, We have repeatedly pointed out what has to be addressed. Yet you stayed suborn.
And now, standing in heavy criticism, "People will always complain" and "will change that maybe next time"
Originally by: CCP Loxy Regarding community help: Not ignored, we looked into it, we talked to people and decided against it.
Yup, if you want something done right you better do it yourself, or , maybe just not do it at all.
Quote: You could have always bought a ticket
That's like paying for sex
4 slots are just to little and not that good of a concept. We had a relay awesome and unconventional 5v5 set-up we worked hard on and wanted to show you but it wouldn't have bin broadcast anyway T_T your miss aswell
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GKO
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Posted - 2011.05.29 16:20:00 -
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Hey, leave Loxy alone. It is clearly not his best day. Your work is appreciated mate. Now we just need someone with connections to Soundwave, then we will find a better solution for next year. Or just invite some guys from CCP to the IRC channel to see the non existing "interest" in "unimportant games".
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.29 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 29/05/2011 16:49:25
Mindstar, Sreegs and Zirnitra are responsible, not Soundwave - he's just a pretty face
and of course higherups in CCP for not giving the tourney any funding or priority whatsoever
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.05.29 17:02:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 29/05/2011 16:49:25
Mindstar, Sreegs and Zirnitra are responsible, not Soundwave - he's just a pretty face
and of course higherups in CCP for not giving the tourney any funding or priority whatsoever
It's not even put on the EVE Calendar as a CCP event. -------- Due to bandwidth streamlining, signature images are no longer displayed. Follow this link to view the image. |
Platypus Commando
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Posted - 2011.05.29 17:53:00 -
[159]
Well, here are my 0.02isk about AT9.
Basically I don't get to see what I want to see because CCP tells me I'd rather like to see something that I don't want to see.
I really appreciate the work you guys put into the tournament, but hoinestly I never cared much about the studio bits. I want to see the fights. And I'd rather watch the beginning of the tournament, where people experiment more with their setups than in the later stages.
So thanks CCP you killed AT9 for me. I certainly won't bother with the streams this year.
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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.05.29 19:09:00 -
[160]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Terrare Vordai Bump, as I too am an EVE player that would like to see these matches. I also don't get what's so expensive about posting videos to youtube if you are already recording them to begin with.
It's costs, but more than anything the minimum standard we have for broadcasting. Having a guy put something up on Justin doesn't really work for a big corporation, anyone in one will grasp that pretty easily. Once we go into the studio weekends, it's with several cameras, professional editing etc. Anything outside of that we're simply not going to publish. We could stream these two first weekends, but that would mean a commitment that could cut into our two studio weekends, which we're really excited about getting back to. It's a harsh priority, but that's life.
So why not let ISD record it and put it on YouTube? Or, let each team send a guy in a pod or a Covert Ops to record it.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.05.29 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: MJ Maverick So why not let ISD record it and put it on YouTube? Or, let each team send a guy in a pod or a Covert Ops to record it.
'Bad for the reputation of ccp as these would be low quality streams.'
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Angel HUN
Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.05.29 19:24:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Angel HUN on 29/05/2011 19:25:18
Originally by: Dinta Zembo
Originally by: MJ Maverick So why not let ISD record it and put it on YouTube? Or, let each team send a guy in a pod or a Covert Ops to record it.
'Bad for the reputation of ccp as these would be low quality streams.'
Pretty sure we as a community are used to poor quality from CCP. Consider that it took a several thousand-post long threads about "Excellence" to even get minor issues addressed.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
We. Will. Never. Leave. EVE.
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ariel jade
Gallente Terran Colonial Guard
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Posted - 2011.05.29 21:22:00 -
[163]
I was really hoping to being able to at least listen to some coverage for the first two weekends leading up to the finals. With no real coverage my interest in the AT IX has come to the point that I think that I can do something else with my time in game than watch it. there is no draw to it anymore.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.30 03:38:00 -
[164]
Originally by: CCP Loxy There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now.
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Marla Rest
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Posted - 2011.05.30 05:02:00 -
[165]
/sign
the tourny is one of my favorite parts of eve - show vids for all the fights please. it's good instructional video and the politics of the teams makes for good drama.
very disappointed
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Avall
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:45:00 -
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I agree wholeheartedly with the starter of this thread, CCP missed the opportunity to engage the community in what is at heart a community event. If streaming cost is an issue, provide YouTube videos of every match, uncommented, that would solve the problem as far as I am concerned.
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Joe450
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Joe450 on 30/05/2011 11:34:14
Originally by: Avall I agree wholeheartedly with the starter of this thread, CCP missed the opportunity to engage the community in what is at heart a community event. If streaming cost is an issue, provide YouTube videos of every match, uncommented, that would solve the problem as far as I am concerned.
I'd second that, i would like to least see youtube vid's of the first weekend (youtube is free incase you didn't know) least then its like teasers in to the final weekend and get better idea of who i want to shout for.
and for all the alliance's that are competing this is a way they could advertise there alliance to get more members but we would only see the one's who get into group and finals. so the bigger and better alliances get more ppl and the smaller less known get smaller and yeap less known
no offence but not PL think time for a new grand winner
GO >>>>> Anyone lol :P
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Shandir
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Originally by: CCP Loxy The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more.
Quoting The Problem.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.05.30 13:15:00 -
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Just came here to look for a youtube link, to watch the matches and found this thread.
Just to let you at CCP know, I am yet another member of this community that would have loved to watch the qualifiers. Poor show CCP, poor show.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2011.05.30 13:40:00 -
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I understand where Loxy is coming from, but after many years of following the AT for years and after enjoying so many player made movies, streams and commentaries (including yours from before), I have to disagree with the result (yes, even before I've seen the ultra amazing vertical broadcasts you have now crudely promised us).
I have enjoyed listening to the eve-radio commentary in the early years. Heck I even suspect your expert broadcasters wouldn't mind giving up some of their free time to broadcast through something like eve-radio. Then video's came in, that was really cool and a great way to introduce the game to others. When the broadcasts came we got a bunch of eve enthusiasts together and watched the matches live at work and at home, BBQ's and beamers, great fun.
Now we get (again not by CCP?) info through a site with a brief description of a fight. No sense of eve awesome sauce at all. And the promise of awesome broadcast studio time for the final matches. But nothing, not even the chance for anyone to do some proper stream/broadcast work? Because you (as a group) fear the quality won't be up to standards? Thus forcing participants, who really should focus on their fights, to start streaming and/or frapsing, soaking up their pc resources (sure some can handle it), obviously not able to commentate at all and this you support?
People want to see it. People want to help you. You say no. Such a shame, I'd rather have everything broadcasted at full amateur level, then being told I don't need to see these fights since they are not as cool as the later fights.
ps: I really can't understand if your team has to give up free time to get the whole broadcast sorted (although a bit of free time of course, everyone with a job and a bit of pride in their work does that), CCP should understand the power of something like an AT for the PR of the game and thus should just pay people who do the work.
Ignore me
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.05.30 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar It's not even put on the EVE Calendar as a CCP event.
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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.30 16:08:00 -
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Sad there not vieable.
Understand why though. CCP wants good fights on thier channel.
If you want to see the matches go to you tube, most alliance teams have uploaded them. ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.30 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 30/05/2011 17:44:22
very few teams streamed their matches
kudos to those who did, but i'd be surprised if more than maybe 1/5th of the matches got recorded (with fraps or otherwise)
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.30 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 30/05/2011 17:44:22
very few teams streamed their matches
kudos to those who did, but i'd be surprised if more than maybe 1/5th of the matches got recorded (with fraps or otherwise)
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:09:00 -
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First of all at CCP Loxy telling us what we want. You're rude, arrogant and condescending in the extreme. Get down off your high horse, admit you're wrong and apologise.
Secondly all sorts of mixed messages going on here, for example an event that must be produced to a set professional level in order to be part of their flagship marketing while crying that it's being done by volunteers. CCP, you're taking the **** out of the people helping you make money by not paying them to do so.
Take the stick out of your back side and instead of putting so much effort into making excuses why this can't be done instead make it happen.
Somewhere along the line you've forgotten that this is an event for the players... who put at least if not more effort into this as CCP.
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Angel HUN
Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.05.30 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past First of all at CCP Loxy telling us what we want. You're rude, arrogant and condescending in the extreme. Get down off your high horse, admit you're wrong and apologise.
Secondly all sorts of mixed messages going on here, for example an event that must be produced to a set professional level in order to be part of their flagship marketing while crying that it's being done by volunteers. CCP, you're taking the **** out of the people helping you make money by not paying them to do so.
Take the stick out of your back side and instead of putting so much effort into making excuses why this can't be done instead make it happen.
Somewhere along the line you've forgotten that this is an event for the players... who put at least if not more effort into this as CCP.
Well said.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
We. Will. Never. Leave. EVE.
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Mr Rive
Rens 911 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.05.30 23:36:00 -
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Some of you people need to get over yourselves and realise that a lot of people in CCP love the tournament as much as you do, and *****ing and whinging at them about coverage is only going to put them off doing it in the future.
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Case Sensetive
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Posted - 2011.05.31 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Case Sensetive on 31/05/2011 00:32:29 why do volunteers have to uphold a standard of quality
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Lexa Hellfury
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.05.31 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet There is a certain quality level that we have to match
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Hussain
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2011.05.31 06:39:00 -
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CCP is getting better all the time, not even simple videos posted in the Youtube site.
They talk about "quality standards", more like quality slack and again deciding what we want that is a live steam of the team draws (oh that was excitement beyond believe...) and not of the matches.
As for the comments as everybody said there wouldnt be a shortage of volunteers to do them, so admit you are wrong, man up and get videos from next week. Also belive me players will do a better job commenting than you guys or the "experts" with the bored "I saw that all before a 1000 times" look and the "Fight is getting bored" kind of comments .
Believe me when I say THIS is your MAIN COMMUNITY EVENT not the Fanfest there is a lot of non/very casual players that do see the ATs.
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Tanaka Sekigahara
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Posted - 2011.05.31 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara on 31/05/2011 07:13:09 Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara on 31/05/2011 07:12:11 Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara on 31/05/2011 07:07:57
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: Kurj Valdoria Loxy I think what you're failing to grasp here is that this could all be casted. Very little time would be needed to set it up. It would be in 720p or 1080p. It wouldn't cost CCP anything. You're just choosing not to even try because you don't understand.
I think after streaming the tournament since 2005 I might have an idea. The point is we're choosing not to do a sub standard show in order to commit to an awesome two weekends. It's fine saying how easy it is to do an amateur stream but we have to keep a certain level of quality, we have to have backups, we have to have commentators (seriously we'd get just as many complaints if we didn't).
We've used this time to start building the set, I've been filming the matches for some awesome footage to make material for the live show. We're all here, we're all working to make this happen but we've decided not to stream it purposively.
I'd encourage the teams to fraps or stream their own fights if they want to record their fights themselves.
We understand " what you are choosing", and we are shrieking it was a bum call. What part of it was a bad call dont you get. Have you seen a single post here saying otherwise? I haven't, and I cant tell you how disappointed I was, as even a casual follower of the tourney not to have them covered, even by radio. We understand you decided not to allow a stream of these fights "purposefully", and we say, yet again sir, it was a bad call.
Stream the qualifiers and open a live chat for them, thats all.Then it wont be "your coverage", just, a stream of the event, that everyone is asking for
Also, as an aside, may I say the decisiion to cut one type of coverage and "compensate" by adding an extra weekend is in fact a concession and admission that it cant even be argued the coverage is better, just different.
You seem a stubborn fellow unwilling to concede a poor decision was made, and representing CCP as incalcitrant helps not a wit when by now it should be quite clear regardless of what you say, we are dissatisfied and are not buying what you are selling.
Stream them, open live chat, and that's that. Your position that " people will complain anyway" maybe so, but they wont be complaing they cant see the fights.The whole thing seems like it was run by someone who was irritated they had to do it.
From the point of view of someone who plays eve as a wargame, anyone knows that the AAR ( after action review)is where most of the lessons are learned, and the part of the game where people actually get better. The teams that forked over 2 bil for a 5v5 match don't even have the ability to post-fight analyze their own failures to get better for the future, and no, the little fights were people make common and classic mistakes are as invaluable, and in fact can be as entertaining as watching the "Main event" between top ranked teams.
Race week at Indy and Daytona are weeklong events of which 90% of the action is qualifiers.They are the most fun. It's also where most of the money is made from advertising and marketing, and where most of the buzz about the event in general is built up and where more new people are drawn in. I say again sir, it was a bum call, and to persist otherwise is to stand on untenable ground. War is Hell- William Tecumseh Sherman |
Maximus Gladius
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Posted - 2011.05.31 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Toight Tigah the fact that we had to watch/read these matches in an IRC chat room to follow what was going on was the saddest experience ive ever had in eve.
this is 2011 and you guys run an internet gaming company and seriously this was your best effort?
My god. Seriously. How can you not grasp this.
Is there noone, noone there that can rectify this for next weekend? I'm not sure you comprehend how this looks from the outside.You are losing more than you can ever regain by 2 weeks of great coverage.
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Kruger81
Caldari draketrain Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.31 09:46:00 -
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Was thinking about resubbing my 2 chars to have a EvE comeback, but not be able to see the "whole" AT9 and theese replys from CCP makes me not want to...
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Tester128
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Posted - 2011.05.31 15:01:00 -
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Hello CCP, reality check "WI owns goonswarm (PL B Team) in AT9" video on youtube have 3600 viewings so far. It's 3600 unsatisfied customers today, who don't give a dead fly about your uberhigh standards of excellence next month. Is it clear or do we have to draw a picture?
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The DonutPuncher
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Posted - 2011.05.31 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Milli Rachet Then let the community do it soundwave? CCP won't have to take any part of it.
That's the issue, we'd still be sanctioning it if we had them on grid with camera accounts. I'm thrilled that teams are taking it on themselves, but apart from allowing players to film the fights, there's not much we can do.
Still. Four days with a live studio. I can't tell you how much I've missed that. A single studio weekend you never really hit the groove properly, this is going to be good.
Sanctioning "it"?????The matches are already sanctioned.Seeing them without your "sanction"?
" There's not much we can do?" That statement itself is a crock. Obviously any policy CCP wants can be set. The statement is patently false. First GM is rude and obnoxious, second one is flat out dishonest.One can see why this is such a cluster **** of an event.
We are all thrilled that YOU are happy that YOU set up the tournament so YOU can have 4 days of studio coverage that YOU think is great with snarky emo announcers talking about how boring the fight is, but lets be clear, the only one who gives a ****e about the "coverage hitting a groove" is marketing personell at CCP, and please tell them they blew this one out their arses. They gain no fans, and lose at least as many as any they might have gotten. Every single person I have spoken to about this is so PO'd that they have no interest whatsoever in this tourney, which , once a community event, has been blatantly hijacked as an advertising opportunity for CCP. Shame on you, and the hubris of the GMs.
Someone in charge over there needs to lay hands on this and unscrew it and restore some customer confidence if nothing else.
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TamiyaCowboy
Caldari KRAKEN FLEET
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Posted - 2011.05.31 16:38:00 -
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CCP lOXY
you do not see the world cup qualifiers not being shown on tv, why ? because they are nearly if not more exciting than the major games themselves.
not showing the torney qualifiers, is just like the world cup qualifiers not being shown. i dont think you would ever see this happen.
i am sure there are a couple ccp people that can comment on matches and a cheap old stream it could be thrown on.
torney was one highlight i enjoyed now that has been NERFED
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RuriHoshino
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.05.31 17:51:00 -
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CCP, you've already selected the commentators for the officially "interesting" 10v10 matches, maybe see if a few of them would be willing to volunteer to commentate from home? Wasn't that done in years past?
Then all you have to worry about is providing access to a camera client, and the actual streaming itself, the logistics for which should frankly already be in place. It need not be difficult.
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steave435
Caldari Rens 911 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.05.31 18:02:00 -
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I'd even be willing to pay a plex or something if it was really necessary to get a live stream. I really shouldn't have to, there's been radio streams and matches uploaded to youtube for years before we even got the live video streams (since ever?), and prioritizing studio talk over the actual event being talked about, but I'd do it if it was neccecery to get the higher ups to give it the go ahead.
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Random Womble
Minmatar Emo Rangers Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2011.05.31 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Random Womble on 31/05/2011 18:28:38 Edited by: Random Womble on 31/05/2011 18:27:06
Originally by: steave435 Edited by: steave435 on 31/05/2011 18:13:22 Edited by: steave435 on 31/05/2011 18:11:56 Edit, I actually see where they're coming from. I DON'T agree with it, but I can see how it would make sense to the higher ups that are probably making that call. All of us in here complaining are already hooked to the game and will continue playing regardless of whether or not the qualifiers get broad casted, but it would be unlikely to attract an outsider to try it out since he'd not understand it. He'd see brackets flying around on the screen and a few bars turning from white to red on the sides of the screen but not really understand what was happening, with boring pauses in between making him go do something else. On the other hand, if there's a studio there talking about what happened on a basic level in between and explaining it in between, the fights and tactics might start getting interesting for the new guy as the day progresses, and he might end up signing up.
They're coldly counting on that ****ing the vets still won't make them quit, while focusing on the uninitiated may attract new people. It sucks, but CCP is a company and focused on maximising profits after all.
I would be willing to pay a plex or something to get streams for the whole event though, just saying....
However that does not take into account that the community would have done it for free or even the radio stations would have broadcast commentary which is something they have done almost every other alliance tournament if not all of them so its not like its doing something different. As it is those streaming/frapsing are just making CCP look stupid which is fine when they are acting like stubborn fools.
Secondly its mainly those bitter vets who would be linking people to the stream in order to get them to watch and perhaps get them into eve so by ****ing them off you actually lose a large percentage of your possible viewers/recruits by association.
Not to forget as I posted either earlier on in this thread or in another 90% of the time the first round fights have far more views than those later on with the exception of possibly the finals/semis and even some of those are eclipsed by the qualifiers.
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steave435
Caldari Rens 911 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.05.31 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Random Womble Edited by: Random Womble on 31/05/2011 18:28:38 Edited by: Random Womble on 31/05/2011 18:27:06
Originally by: steave435 Edited by: steave435 on 31/05/2011 18:13:22 Edited by: steave435 on 31/05/2011 18:11:56 Edit, I actually see where they're coming from. I DON'T agree with it, but I can see how it would make sense to the higher ups that are probably making that call. All of us in here complaining are already hooked to the game and will continue playing regardless of whether or not the qualifiers get broad casted, but it would be unlikely to attract an outsider to try it out since he'd not understand it. He'd see brackets flying around on the screen and a few bars turning from white to red on the sides of the screen but not really understand what was happening, with boring pauses in between making him go do something else. On the other hand, if there's a studio there talking about what happened on a basic level in between and explaining it in between, the fights and tactics might start getting interesting for the new guy as the day progresses, and he might end up signing up.
They're coldly counting on that ****ing the vets still won't make them quit, while focusing on the uninitiated may attract new people. It sucks, but CCP is a company and focused on maximising profits after all.
I would be willing to pay a plex or something to get streams for the whole event though, just saying....
However that does not take into account that the community would have done it for free or even the radio stations would have broadcast commentary which is something they have done almost every other alliance tournament if not all of them so its not like its doing something different. As it is those streaming/frapsing are just making CCP look stupid which is fine when they are acting like stubborn fools.
Secondly its mainly those bitter vets who would be linking people to the stream in order to get them to watch and perhaps get them into eve so by ****ing them off you actually lose a large percentage of your possible viewers/recruits by association.
Not to forget as I posted either earlier on in this thread or in another 90% of the time the first round fights have far more views than those later on with the exception of possibly the finals/semis and even some of those are eclipsed by the qualifiers.
This is true, but will you honestly stop telling people about eve just because the qualifiers were not streamed? If I'm completely honest, if those 2 studio weekends turn out to really be a good basic introduction to eve mechanics and tactics while staying interesting, that's what I'd tell my friends to start out with, but if they're just gonna sit there and not get it I wouldn't. When talking about view counts, marketing dudes are mainly interested in how many potential customers rather then how many people are watching, and they'd argue that the fact more people watched the qualifiers (if that is true) then the finals may mean that new people wanted to check EVE out but got disappointed and didn't bother to check it again later.
They may be right from a pure profit POV, or the extra customer satisfaction from producing a good event for the vets could be worth more. I'm not sure, but I think it's very likely that the decision was made by higher ups that don't care what we say here.
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Ancient Memories
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Posted - 2011.05.31 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: steave435 They may be right from a pure profit POV, or the extra customer satisfaction from producing a good event for the vets could be worth more. I'm not sure, but I think it's very likely that the decision was made by higher ups that don't care what we say here.
Those higher ups should be ashamed of themselves. They never heard of word of mouth?
The same ass backwards, marketing first american-bull got their country where it is now - up for grabs.
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Random Womble
Minmatar Emo Rangers Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Random Womble on 01/06/2011 00:39:18
Originally by: steave435
Originally by: Random Womble Edited by: Random Womble on 31/05/2011 18:28:38 Edited by: Random Womble on 31/05/2011 18:27:06
Originally by: steave435 Edited by: steave435 on 31/05/2011 18:13:22
However that does not take into account that the community would have done it for free or even the radio stations would have broadcast commentary which is something they have done almost every other alliance tournament if not all of them so its not like its doing something different. As it is those streaming/frapsing are just making CCP look stupid which is fine when they are acting like stubborn fools.
Secondly its mainly those bitter vets who would be linking people to the stream in order to get them to watch and perhaps get them into eve so by ****ing them off you actually lose a large percentage of your possible viewers/recruits by association.
Not to forget as I posted either earlier on in this thread or in another 90% of the time the first round fights have far more views than those later on with the exception of possibly the finals/semis and even some of those are eclipsed by the qualifiers.
This is true, but will you honestly stop telling people about eve just because the qualifiers were not streamed? If I'm completely honest, if those 2 studio weekends turn out to really be a good basic introduction to eve mechanics and tactics while staying interesting, that's what I'd tell my friends to start out with, but if they're just gonna sit there and not get it I wouldn't. When talking about view counts, marketing dudes are mainly interested in how many potential customers rather then how many people are watching, and they'd argue that the fact more people watched the qualifiers (if that is true) then the finals may mean that new people wanted to check EVE out but got disappointed and didn't bother to check it again later.
They may be right from a pure profit POV, or the extra customer satisfaction from producing a good event for the vets could be worth more. I'm not sure, but I think it's very likely that the decision was made by higher ups that don't care what we say here.
Well tbh yes i am less likely to get people to watch, from a selfish point of view right now im a participant and i have more incentive to say to people i know hey watch this because im in it while when it comes to the finals weekend 36 teams which equates to roughly 180 players will be out and i may well be from one of those teams. now admittedly that is a small number of players but it all counts. Right now with no stream they have 0 potential customers and a lot of bad PR word of mouth wise.
Plus its not like there needed to be any costs to CCP other than possibly 5 minutes to move the person to Jove space the devs have probably wasted more time having to answer why they did it this way. if they really wanted to make it impossible for them to interfere they could just force them to be in a pod and hold them down with a 100% dev/gm web so that they can't move into the arena (im sure they have tools too but using mechanics seems more fun).
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Dark Shines
Gallente Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:13:00 -
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steave435
Caldari Rens 911 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shines Then why don't all of the participating teams refuse to fight until standards are met? That might make ccp take another look
Because it's a lot of fun and the prices are slightly valuable?
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Calon Seth
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:12:00 -
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I was pretty excited for the start of the tournament. I checked the match times, started looking for the streams like I did last year and then... nothing?
Maybe it's a problem so I'll check the next day... then nothing?
So I come on here, read the posts by the utterly unprofessional CCP employees (Loxy getting snippy and smug with CCP customers who are, by the way, absolutely right. Classy), and you know what? Combined with the fact that next weekend is a no go as well, I'm not nearly as excited for this tournament.
You say you strive for excellence, yet this is a half-assed attempt at such a goal. Good corporations would provide all four weeks of excellence and really show what kind of quality you can get from their products.
You volunteered to broadcast a tournament. Not half a tournament. Loxy says they've been doing this since 2005. If that's the case, then they should be experienced enough to put a quality production on for the entire tournament. It's not hard to ask of someone with that kind of experience.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.03 20:15:00 -
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last time they did exactly what everyone is asking for in the thread there was 1 20 page thread whining about quality and that CCP as a large company should live stream like highschoolers.
then they decide to board just 1 weekend and everyone is happy.
then this year they decide to expand it to 2 weekends... and everyone starts complaining?
I want the tourny to expand to 128 teams nextyear, I don't want to watch 6 weeks of fighting just to see who gets into AT10.
Listen I like my free stream of the alliance tourny,and if you do to you'll shut your traps, all of you!
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Axon Atom
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Posted - 2011.06.03 20:18:00 -
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What is calon going on about, they don't always stream every single match.
there is way too many goonswarm alts here. In fact i woulnd't be surprized if I logged in my alt to find a something awful thread telling people to come post here with every character they have.
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Kil2
Club Bear HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.04 00:45:00 -
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Hi friends,
I dont really care to get involved in the main topic of this discussion, other than to say that I hope anyone who is currently disappointed will tune in for the 2 weekends of evetv, and hopefully be happy with what they see.
The reason i post is that it absolutely kills me to see so many people giving loxy a hard time. I can understand that you may not be happy with this or that but I hope everyone can keep in mind that the tournament just would not exist without this guy. Its that simple. For at least the 4 years ive had any involvement in the tournament, he has been coordinating every aspect of production and doing an amazing job, and hes always making huge sacrifices to make it happen.
Again, I know this doesn't necessarily have a huge bearing on the issue of how the tournament is covered from year to year and the decisions related to that topic, but I just hope i can encourage some of you to remember that loxy (and the rest of the team) are the good guys. They came from this community and they are trying to make the best show they can.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.04 02:34:00 -
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Yeah Loxy's cool, mindstar used to be cool, but has been absolutely awful when it comes to AT9, alcohol poisoning is to blame I suspect.
Newbie dev seems harmless, darius johnson is darius johnson, stoffer is just a pretty face and blameless, sunset is not a worthy successor to stevie.
Hopefully the awesome cast of experts will live up to my expectations.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.04 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Yeah Loxy's cool, mindstar used to be cool, but has been absolutely awful when it comes to AT9, alcohol poisoning is to blame I suspect.
Newbie dev seems harmless, darius johnson is darius johnson, stoffer is just a pretty face and blameless, sunset is not a worthy successor to stevie.
Hopefully the awesome cast of experts will live up to my expectations.
you sound like a kid who only got a blue bike for your birthday when you wanted a red one so your parents are terrible people that hate you.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.04 09:44:00 -
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No I sound like a kid who earned a bike but then got didn't get one due to the organizers lack of adaptability, preparation and stupid format/rule changes.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.04 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk No I sound like a kid who earned a bike but then got didn't get one due to the organizers lack of adaptability, preparation and stupid format/rule changes.
last year they only showed the final weekend live, now they are showing double the footage this year!
spoiled little brat
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.04 14:32:00 -
[203]
I was talking about stuff like the banning rule, 40-50 teams not being let take part, including two of the quarter finalists from last time (due to removal of top 16 from previous tournament guaranteed spot rule)
devs saying they didn't ~have time~ to change things to accommodate the amount of interest in taking part.
Meanwhile they added 2 more pointless fights in the bracket system, while declining to let volunteers come record and upload the matches "because of quality concerns" they prefer zero coverage and decided incorrectly that we do too.
Leaving a loophole open that anyone can abuse in the second round of pre-qualifiers to guarantee advancing even if you lost your first match with no kills, despite players pointing it out to them repeatedly (no minimum points fielded)
CCP's apparently giving the tournament so little priority and funding that devs have to volunteer their time for it to take place at all
But yeah clearly I'm a spoiled brat and just imagining things, just like you're not a blind fanboy.
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Seldarine
Minmatar Boats 'n Hoes WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.04 14:35:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I was talking about stuff like the banning rule, 40-50 teams not being let take part, including two of the quarter finalists from last time (due to removal of top 16 from previous tournament guaranteed spot rule)
devs saying they didn't ~have time~ to change things to accommodate the amount of interest in taking part.
Meanwhile they added 2 more pointless fights in the bracket system, while declining to let volunteers come record and upload the matches "because of quality concerns" they prefer zero coverage and decided incorrectly that we do too.
Leaving a loophole open that anyone can abuse in the second round of pre-qualifiers to guarantee advancing even if you lost your first match with no kills, despite players pointing it out to them repeatedly (no minimum points fielded)
CCP's apparently giving the tournament so little priority and funding that devs have to volunteer their time for it to take place at all
But yeah clearly I'm a spoiled brat and just imagining things, just like you're not a blind fanboy.
+1
Tyrrax telling it how it is. ______________________________
Seldarine
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Hussain
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2011.06.04 15:04:00 -
[205]
Up to now:
From this link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1518282
12709 views.
Not bad but its cleary not what the community wants or needs acording to CCP.
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Marcus D'Eriellius
Gallente Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:07:00 -
[206]
The Alliance Tournament was something that StevieSG was heavily involved in. Now that she has left nobody else at CCP wants to bother with it anymore. This is obvious from the responses from CCP Loxy.
I would not be surprised if this was the last ever Alliance Tournament as CCP clearly don't want to invest any effort into it.
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Xterea
Gallente Scisco Innovation Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:16:00 -
[207]
I have to agree with CCP's decision to not stream the qualifiers.
The fact of the matter is that good Alliance Tournament coverage consists of multiple key features. If any one of these features are missing from the coverage of the tournament, the viewing experience could be dramatically affected. Consequently, ensuring that all aspects of coverage are fully planned out and structured is a primary concern of CCP, thus it takes a lot of time, effort and man power to get it right.
There's no point in broadcasting something if a very small amount of people will actually watch it because it is not the "full show".
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:17:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I was talking about stuff like the banning rule, 40-50 teams not being let take part, including two of the quarter finalists from last time (due to removal of top 16 from previous tournament guaranteed spot rule)
devs saying they didn't ~have time~ to change things to accommodate the amount of interest in taking part.
Meanwhile they added 2 more pointless fights in the bracket system, while declining to let volunteers come record and upload the matches "because of quality concerns" they prefer zero coverage and decided incorrectly that we do too.
Leaving a loophole open that anyone can abuse in the second round of pre-qualifiers to guarantee advancing even if you lost your first match with no kills, despite players pointing it out to them repeatedly (no minimum points fielded)
CCP's apparently giving the tournament so little priority and funding that devs have to volunteer their time for it to take place at all
But yeah clearly I'm a spoiled brat and just imagining things, just like you're not a blind fanboy.
how are you being a spoiled brat now? you're pointing out all of the serious concerns with the alliance tournament instead of yelling at loxy
+1
I still think you're not taking into account the fact that all of your criticisisms of the devs come down to your complaint about funding. This is an unfunded basically fan run event. It just happens the fan is a ccp dev.
So yes there are point loopholes that should be fixed, they didn't have the time to change the rules, they aren't getting paid, and they think that letting in a 3rd party would have some negative side effects. They want to be given the limited funding they do get again next year.
but again I ask you, to take into account that last year we only only got one weekend of coverage. The more support we give them, the more funding they get, the more coverage we get.
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Marcus D'Eriellius
Gallente Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:28:00 -
[209]
Originally by: MotherMoon Sadly people are throwing things around like, CCP loxy doesn't care about the tournament. How dare you, you want them tp pull the whole thing?
Show us a single piece of evidence that CCP Loxy cares about the tournament or is willing to listen to the community.
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Ancient Memories
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:40:00 -
[210]
MotherMoon you got owned in the face now get out.
There is other parts of the forum where you and your ilk can touch each other with words.
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Sameron
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:42:00 -
[211]
looks like a clear and overwhelming public consensus here, I'm sure with a small amount of effort a reasonable solution can be found. Or you can just ignore everyone and argue with the more unhappy posters/occasional trolls (a mature/productive solution at the same time). Luckily some people are nice enough to fraps/post on youtube for the more fanatical dudes like me. I've spent a few hours each day sifting through heaps of youtube garbage for the few tourny fights there are out there. Supprise supprise i wasn't disappointed at the lack of mindless commentary or lower definition. Remember the chick that commentated last year? A real winner that one was.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:48:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Ancient Memories MotherMoon you got owned in the face now get out.
There is other parts of the forum where you and your ilk can touch each other with words.
yeah I got so owned in the face when I said I agreed with him
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:50:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Marcus D'Eriellius
Originally by: MotherMoon Sadly people are throwing things around like, CCP loxy doesn't care about the tournament. How dare you, you want them tp pull the whole thing?
Show us a single piece of evidence that CCP Loxy cares about the tournament or is willing to listen to the community.
You mean other than being the only reason we have it? or thepast 6-7 years of hard work, without pay, making it what it is today? don't make me laugh. The allaince tournament IS loxy.
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Marcus D'Eriellius
Gallente Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:56:00 -
[214]
Originally by: MotherMoon You mean other than being the only reason we have it? or thepast 6-7 years of hard work, without pay, making it what it is today? don't make me laugh. The allaince tournament IS loxy.
Fail.
The coverage we have enjoyed on EveTV in recent years has been a result of the hard work by CCP StevieSG, CCP Loxy failed to manage to arrange decent coverage before Stevie helped him out and now that she has gone he's failing again.
He doesn't care about the tournament nor does he listen to the community.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.04 17:02:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 04/06/2011 17:06:09
Originally by: Marcus D'Eriellius
Originally by: MotherMoon Sadly people are throwing things around like, CCP loxy doesn't care about the tournament. How dare you, you want them tp pull the whole thing?
Show us a single piece of evidence that CCP Loxy cares about the tournament or is willing to listen to the community.
It exists.
Presenting the alliance tournament at all is a rather huge undertaking. When was the last time YOU did something for the EVE community with several of your weekends rather than what you normally do?
Yeah, pretty much what I though.
I could care less about these initial rounds, that's more or less necessary grunt work that allows the main event to happen. When I watch the Olympics, I do care to watch every single damn match every athlete on the field went through to get there. I tune in to watch the main event, and I understand that all of the matches leading up to it probably will not be available for nationwide or worldwide broadcast like the Olympics are.
So just forget about the qualifying round (unless you are participating in them) and set your mental sites on the tournament itself.
Edit: Don't get me wrong, I love Stevie and am greatly saddened that she will not involved this year. In fact, that is fairly thread worthy in and of itself. I wasn't aware of the situation with her, somebody fill me in?
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Marcus D'Eriellius
Gallente Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.04 17:12:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edit: Don't get me wrong, I love Stevie and am greatly saddened that she will not involved this year. In fact, that is fairly thread worthy in and of itself. I wasn't aware of the situation with her, somebody fill me in?
CCP StevieSG Signing Off
It's not too late for CCP Loxy to admit he is wrong and invite a 3rd party to be on grid and stream the qualifiers tomorrow. Sadly I do not think he will.
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Gallente Nundinae
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Posted - 2011.06.04 17:16:00 -
[217]
I'm a bit sick of all this voluntary stuff being thrown about.. is fanfest voluntary? and why is the alliance tournament voluntary anyway? if you care so much about the press it gives you that you can't stream anything (but to yourselves in the studio)then why is it still voluntary... too much conflicting fluff.
Plus the attitude to peoples concerns was basically, we know better than you "pats on the head" and we will do what we like regardless.
not letting anyone else stream is close to the biggest fail I have ever heard of because if CCP can't volunteer, then no-one else can either?!
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Rohnda
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Posted - 2011.06.04 19:18:00 -
[218]
Dear CCP soundwave , How is not allowing some player have accses to stream the qualifiers no suited for a big corporiaton?
Just have to ask since Riot games are doing it with huge succses and by my take on it, eating you alive as a game producing company.
Think you need to revise your oppinion on "big" since there are BIGGER corporations more succsesfull than you at making competitive gameplay and balancing, who just used this method to let players view their Qualifiers which where widely watched.
I for one shall be watching the League of legends Season 1 championship Live studio streamed from dreamhack on the 17/18. and qualifers this weekend and next which are being streamed as we speak. Btw please delete such stuff as ISD new corrspondance and stuff since it seems like a no brainer to me to just let someone like those guys who have the Hardware/internet for it stream..... but guess that would cost you money using someone else resources ................................................. so stop trolling and just admit your bad and it will change next year .
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FantomChaser
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Posted - 2011.06.04 19:31:00 -
[219]
Cmon ccp i agree with every thing Ugleb has said.. and you cant tell me you dont have the money considering ppl from atlas and other alliances have offered to stream all the tournaments for FREE so we other can enjoy the fighting and not just hear the results its just crap... now im gonna watch Dream Hack qualifications and final tournament instead wich is the 18... cus this is just bad customer support... /Fc
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Nakatomi Kamatori
Minmatar Black Mesa
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Posted - 2011.06.05 03:05:00 -
[220]
I can only speak for myself here, but the alliance tournament is something I look forward to all year. I greatly enjoy EVE as an e-sport, and I would like to see the alliance tournament made into a biannual event, or possibly the introduction of some other EVE e-sport event. I realize that may be difficult or impossible or not a priority or whatever, but at least let me get as much out of the alliance tournament as possible. I am not too worried about the quality, I am happy to go without the studio between the matches outside the final weekend, just please let me watch a simple stream of as many matches as possible, or even on youtube.
If, however, you insist that everything must be awesome top notch professional tv quality or nothing, then I would gladly pay to get that. I cannot speak for others, and I would prefer the alliance tournament to be free to watch, but personally I would be willing to pay real money to see more alliance tournament matches. I would easily pay the equivalent of a months subscription. I have to add to this that I noticed you charged money for the stream from fanfest, so it would seem that charging for your live streams is an option you are comfortable with.
Finally, I would just like to say thank you for all your great and hard work on the tournament. I appreciate that you are doing this as volunteer work, though it is hard for me to understand why CCP would not invest a bit more in such a popular event. It should not be necessary for CCP employees to work without pay.
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.05 03:23:00 -
[221]
Wow. I totally forgot this was on today. Some interesting and some LOL results. I was too busy watching the low quality MLG stream of Starcraft2 all day. Even the HQ stream isn't that great. I suppose years from now I'll remember how the video quality wasn't quite 720p and how terrible it was because of that instead of remembering the awesome matches.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.05 07:54:00 -
[222]
to be honest it's been kinda cool having the matches recorded from the players point of view. +10 for teams with coms on.
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Anth9rax
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.05 11:06:00 -
[223]
I am so disappointed, I have been looking for the videos on youtube, guess this lack of coverage explains why I couldn't find them.
As to quality, can I ask if quality is why you are denying the community the ability to watch the matches, effectively intentionally not listening to your customers, why was the draw for the teams of such poor quality. Surely you can't say its a quality issue after the ping pong match draw.
You also mentioned it being because of it being a big company, well I used to work for Dell, if a manager failed to listen to the customers there I am sure it would have caused more issues than a quality issue where the customer had already waved their requirement for quality over service delivery.
Do the managers at the top level of CCP know you aren't listening to your customer, on such an important issue, I realise there is constant complaining with eve, a lot of which is unjustified once you consider real world requirements in running something so big, has that now ment that all complaints are tagged as simple moaning without regard to justification.
And why are you volunteering, its your job, why aren't you getting paid, it is either a tournament run by Eve or it isn't, if your not getting paid its not a CCP tournament, its a tournament organised and run by Eve players who happen to work for CCP during the week. If the comment ment you are getting payed to work weekend you normally wouldn't work, well thats just overtime and we all do it.
Why bother with fighting at all in qualifiers just do another draw for the winner, if its so unimportant, the way you have it at the moment, the majority of the community wouldn't even know.
All I want is to see is the fight, ships on each side and damage as its being taken, I don't need a set or commentary at all, even in later stages, I know enough about ship types fits and tactics to work that out for myself.
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.06.05 14:50:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Meanwhile they added 2 more pointless fights in the bracket system, while declining to let volunteers come record and upload the matches "because of quality concerns" they prefer zero coverage and decided incorrectly that we do too.
I don't think any of them have even the slightest inkling that we /dont/ want to see the matches, they all realize that we /do/ but they just don't care. Our viewing of the tournament falls below every other concern.
Originally by: Kil2 The reason i post is that it absolutely kills me to see so many people giving loxy a hard time. I can understand that you may not be happy with this or that but I hope everyone can keep in mind that the tournament just would not exist without this guy....
That's no excuse for the kind of attitude that's coming out of CCP re: this coverage. I understand that they're working extra to make it happen, and that they don't feel like they can provide coverage for the first half. That's fine, I don't like it but I can come to terms with that. It's the whole "This is /my/ sandbox, everybody else get out!" thing that really grinds me. Someone would have picked up the slack but they're too worried about appearing "Pro" to allow it.
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Your Stuff
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Posted - 2011.06.05 15:13:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Kil2 Hi friends,
I dont really care to get involved in the main topic of this discussion, other than to say that I hope anyone who is currently disappointed will tune in for the 2 weekends of evetv, and hopefully be happy with what they see.
The reason i post is that it absolutely kills me to see so many people giving loxy a hard time. I can understand that you may not be happy with this or that but I hope everyone can keep in mind that the tournament just would not exist without this guy. Its that simple. For at least the 4 years ive had any involvement in the tournament, he has been coordinating every aspect of production and doing an amazing job, and hes always making huge sacrifices to make it happen.
Again, I know this doesn't necessarily have a huge bearing on the issue of how the tournament is covered from year to year and the decisions related to that topic, but I just hope i can encourage some of you to remember that loxy (and the rest of the team) are the good guys. They came from this community and they are trying to make the best show they can.
Hi I am sure your free trips to Iceland have nothing to do with the fact that you don't want to "get involved" - yet here you are white knighting for CCP.
The simple fact is that people care more about the matches themselves than watching you give the reach around to Stoffer in the studio. Its riveting.
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Xterea
Gallente Scisco Innovation Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.05 16:47:00 -
[226]
I think that some people are missing the vital point in this entire debate. The fact of the matter is that those who do watch the Alliance Tournament watch it as a whole - with the studio coverage, the normally high-class commentary, the adverts and little jokes in the middle, and the quality of streaming/camera organization - and making this combination of events happen at the same time with precision and quality is a very hard and demanding thing to do.
Letting volunteers simply stream fights, or provide basic commentary would not draw in tonnes of audience numbers, and would still need the oversight of at least one member of CCP.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:14:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Xterea Letting volunteers simply stream fights, or provide basic commentary would not draw in tonnes of audience numbers, and would still need the oversight of at least one member of CCP.
Seriously ? We're talking about a tiny amount of extra effort teleporting the volunteers to the field, they don't even need to be able to lock the people competing.. This staggering amount of extra work could be done by a single GM who would already be present on the field.
(If CCP wanted to really go nuts they could let the volunteers use their special client that lets them lock 10 ships and cloak, dunno if that's something they'd be allowed to trust randoms with)
But noooo, quality concerns and according to Loxy nobody cares about the pre-quals anyway~~~~~
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Kiree Chancel
Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:57:00 -
[228]
Edited by: Kiree Chancel on 05/06/2011 17:58:16 In my alliance, all roams and ops came to a grinding halt while we all swarmed over the one (overloaded) stream (that our own guys provided) to watch our dudes fight in round one. Intel channels went quiet, Alliance chat silent. Not a single **** reference. Not a single joke. Not one. From beginning to end of match.
...but yeah, no-one cares about the qualifiers. Sheesh. --
Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
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Icyrax
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Posted - 2011.06.05 18:21:00 -
[229]
Edited by: Icyrax on 05/06/2011 18:21:25 I rarely post, but I feel I have to support the OP.
I was looking forward to 4 weekends of watching some excellent entertainment. I'm very disappointed in CCP's decision not to provide video of the pre-qualifiers.
I appreciate the cost/time of a fully commentated offering, but even the commentators screen from previous tournaments without voice-over would be a huge step forwarded compared to the current situation. Surely this is not cost prohibitive.
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Gallente Nundinae
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Posted - 2011.06.05 20:23:00 -
[230]
as you have probably noticed if you have been following this thread, they have just decided to stop replying as they have nothing to say except... we will do what we want regardless!
less coverage, lots of upsets merely displayed as headlines or stats with none of the coverage as to how it happened...
epic fail
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Xterea
Gallente Scisco Innovation Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.06 10:05:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: Xterea Letting volunteers simply stream fights, or provide basic commentary would not draw in tonnes of audience numbers, and would still need the oversight of at least one member of CCP.
Seriously ? We're talking about a tiny amount of extra effort teleporting the volunteers to the field, they don't even need to be able to lock the people competing.. This staggering amount of extra work could be done by a single GM who would already be present on the field.
Do you think that these volunteers would be able to assemble media to cover the breaks between matches, provide well-structured studio coverage, and also provide well-informed commentary?
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Alexi Blue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.06 10:58:00 -
[232]
Edited by: Alexi Blue on 06/06/2011 10:58:48 nvm
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Angel HUN
Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.06 14:32:00 -
[233]
Edited by: Angel HUN on 06/06/2011 14:33:02
Originally by: Xterea
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: Xterea Letting volunteers simply stream fights, or provide basic commentary would not draw in tonnes of audience numbers, and would still need the oversight of at least one member of CCP.
Seriously ? We're talking about a tiny amount of extra effort teleporting the volunteers to the field, they don't even need to be able to lock the people competing.. This staggering amount of extra work could be done by a single GM who would already be present on the field.
Do you think that these volunteers would be able to assemble media to cover the breaks between matches, provide well-structured studio coverage, and also provide well-informed commentary?
Not sure if serious.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
We. Will. Never. Leave. EVE.
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:38:00 -
[234]
SHAME on your ccp, for not utilising biggest PR chance you have withing community. Alliance tournament is very very much waited event among all those hardcore PVP veterans. Personally im disapointed that 5man pre qualifiers are not covered. Good thing you dont work in same factory i work for. That couple weekends of overtime in my workplace would not be enough when season demand really hits us.
Hopefully your atleast see your wrong ways and redeem your ways next year. I think this year is lost. In some way i feel ccp charged entry fees for nothing, since most exiting change of tournament is not even covered.
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Mylor Torlone
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:47:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Xterea
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: Xterea Letting volunteers simply stream fights, or provide basic commentary would not draw in tonnes of audience numbers, and would still need the oversight of at least one member of CCP.
Seriously ? We're talking about a tiny amount of extra effort teleporting the volunteers to the field, they don't even need to be able to lock the people competing.. This staggering amount of extra work could be done by a single GM who would already be present on the field.
Do you think that these volunteers would be able to assemble media to cover the breaks between matches, provide well-structured studio coverage, and also provide well-informed commentary?
Yes.
Otherwise, maybe CCP should pay for professionals to do it
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.06 17:23:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Xterea Do you think that these volunteers would be able to assemble media to cover the breaks between matches, provide well-structured studio coverage, and also provide well-informed commentary?
Yeah like we need a studio or coverage between matches ? You think anyone cares about that ? The pew pew is what matters, well informed commentary in addition wouldn't hurt but that's something literally thousands of people would be easily capable of providing.
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Fumb Duck
Awww Diddums.. Aggravated Assault..
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:26:00 -
[237]
But we want to see you in your funky hat again Tyrrax..
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China Chick
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Posted - 2011.06.08 06:21:00 -
[238]
/Signed
Is it really this bad or are we gonna see the pre fights on youtube later on?
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Florest Gum
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:27:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Dark Shines Then why don't all of the participating teams refuse to fight until standards are met? That might make ccp take another look
+1
Don't get me wrong I totally am grateful for the time and effort that is put in organizing the AT but low-quality is better than no quality all the time.
But towards my fellow EVE players/fans:
Many of the posts here that agree with the original poster are members of the participating or potential AT teams. For all the "care" you go on about the community, a agreement between alliances on not participating in the next tourney unless it has some recording (even if not live stream or CCP coverage) or stream by other ppl than the ones concentrating on putting up a good fight for us could be an option; just my 0.02ISK.
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Nyveg
Hyperborea Re
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Posted - 2011.06.09 00:32:00 -
[240]
This thread is like a warm hearth fire at an obsequies. I'm watching ugly chicks munching smoked sheep loins while it lasts.
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Drone XIV
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:59:00 -
[241]
Edited by: Drone XIV on 11/06/2011 12:00:01
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 28/05/2011 16:48:43 Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
Every single match in every round is important for so many people.
Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...
People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process.
Glad you arent a member of any armed services "giving you best for a month" try doing it for 6 months 24/7 and then moan about it.
People in the real world give up there time volunteering for all sorts of things so dont use that as an excuse
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.06.11 12:30:00 -
[242]
Edited by: Awesome Possum on 11/06/2011 12:33:45 from what i can remember, the qualifiers have never been streamed live.
stop your *****ing
Originally by: Drone XIV Edited by: Drone XIV on 11/06/2011 12:00:01
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 28/05/2011 16:48:43 Loxy, listen to what people want. You are so out of touch it's unbelievable. People want 4 televised weeks of the tournament, regardless of how poor the coverage is. This lack of care by CCP for the tournament is unacceptable.
There are so many easy and cheap solutions to providing coverage by bringing the community in on this.
Every single match in every round is important for so many people.
Please don't tell how much I'm in or out of touch or how much I care about the tournament. The team running this are now giving up a month's worth of weekends as volunteers to make this happen and in the future it could be even more. There is a certain quality level that we have to match to broadcast these matches now. Think back to last year and there were just as many people disappointed at the poor commentary or why there was nothing between the matches etc...
People will always complain one way or another, but I'd rather our coverage of the "Tournament" be judged on our best efforts and we simply can't give our best for a solid month. Thats why the tournament starts properly on the 11th, along with our coverage. And if in the future if we have to spend even more weekends to cut down the numbers to fit into two weekends we'll almost certainly keep this format and not kill ourselves in the process.
Glad you arent a member of any armed services "giving you best for a month" try doing it for 6 months 24/7 and then moan about it.
People in the real world give up there time volunteering for all sorts of things so dont use that as an excuse
Seriously? You went there?
People who sign up for military service voluntarily give up their free time to be at risk and on duty 24/7 for the entirety of their contract.
CCP employees do NOT, they are doing this for our benefit out of their own generosity. I've seen no data that suggest ATs bring in new customers/cash flow to CCP, nor have I seen data that suggest it generates more revenue from existing customers.
They do it because we want to see it and because they also want to see it... nothing more or less.
You ungrateful muddaskunts. ♥
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lexa Hellfury
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: QwaarJet There is a certain quality level that we have to match
Really? I was under the impression that you worked for CCP.
I just read this and lolled. ~~~
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2011.06.11 23:04:00 -
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I was hoping for coverage from the start. Guess not.
I would have been happy with video/sounds, with no commentary.
I would have been happy.
Now I'm sad.
Next time, please at least record them all and post to YouTube. --- The REASON for being in 0.0 is to stand on a piece of sand, plant your flag, and say proudly to the alliance's around you... MINE! Come git Some.... |
GKO
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Posted - 2011.06.12 00:29:00 -
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Hi CCP,
at first: it was indeed a great show, thanks! I liked it, we had a blast on TS. Experts really offered a nice mixture with real experts, one hillarious guy from TEST and CCP guys. Keep that up for the following years. I didnt like the CCP salesman and I did not gain any positive aspects about the topics being discussed with him, but let's not change the topic here. The ccp girl somehow tried hard to push some energy into the show, it didnt work for me but thats not her fault. It somehow looked forced to me ;(
But there were problems with audio ( noise from soundwaves laptop, changing volume in the beginning) and video (small part of the screen was moved down). I guess for your claim to send a high quality production, it would have been easier to send qualifiers to test most of the stuff.
Anyway, thanks for a nice tournament.
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wabbitrage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 10:20:00 -
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CCP,
Well i'd like to say AT9 is looking great so far. Can't wait to see the other matches today!
Back to the issue...
I don't wish to seem ungratful to CCP. The impression i got personally from CCP Soundwave was that that this was going to be an amazing no compromises production. I do realise that CCP is a business and does have to make real money for it to survive and continue to make Eve Online a dynamic and fun game to play. I've no idea how much it costs to stream the whole tourny or even how much per hour but i can understand these are real issues faced by business in the real world.
CCP claims it costs CCP a lot of money to stream these live. However I'm wondering what the 'cost' is after all these advertisments played on the live stream. Personally I don't mind the advertisments but I think its negative karma if CCP claims these streaming costs are one of the reasons it is not showing the quailifers yet CCP gets most of it streaming costs back. Or even God forbid a profit? Advertisments from Nvidia, Itel and Alienware make me wonder though.
Saying that though I will be truthful. I did find some of the corportion advertisments very entertaining and I love PL and Goon's humour. I liked the Shadoo one very much so.
Some other things were a fast improvment on previous tourny's. The commentory was of a much higher standard this year. There was sense-talking commentory practically all round expecially from PL's Shadoo. The Goon and PL blickering made it more fun and made me realise how much fun Eve really is.
What I don't get though the bits I love about AT9 so far are all drawn from the community. Why is the community so bad that CCP couldn't organise them to produce commentory for the qualifiers from the comforts of their own home. I'll go out on a limb here and say they'd do it for free. CCP endorse members of it to come sit in its 'studio' and commentate on it yet it wont endorse the community to sit at home and commentate on it from home like seasons past?
Some things so far have been produced with a high level of polish and I do find them impressive. For example the cool Tron type graphics for the ships before a match starts a nice touch I must say. not easily reproduced by the community. Its just fustrating to see these moments of polish and start to sympothise with CCP's position yet they let all their hard work and effort down when they let them down on the simple stuff...
For example, the stats from the qualifiers. Why bother producing them at all if they were not accurate? Considering we did not get to see the qualifiers, this makes me quite angry in truth. it was not just 1 or 2 of the stat pages it was pretty much all of them from what i could see. commentators did not comment on it as far as i'm aware but considering that they could only have played 2 50-point matches so far yet some of the teams had fielded over 200 points so far makes me /facepalm hard. Besides other inconsistencies this quite frankly a fiasco.
We were asked by CCP Soundwave to be patient for things like the new studio and polish. The studio from what I could tell was last year's one with different lighting. I didn't like the PR guy pushing Incarna cosmetic items and ships. CCP soundwace compared Eve Online to League of Legends saying words to the effect of he doesn't mind purchasing cosmetic stuff on LOL so why not Eve? Soundwave. League of Legends is FREE, Eve Online is not.
I should thank CCP that we have any Alliance tournament at all. It is their hard and gracous work that makes my life that little bit better thanks to Eve. I emplore CCP please put the footage of the qualifiers on youtube (perferably with some commentory) in the future. I understand the Alliance Tourny is a great way to make more revenue for CCP. I only ask CCP looks after the old player base a little more and gives us what we'd like.
Please CCP make the qualifiers available or at least in future tournys.
Wabbit
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