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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet We already have skill points for cash. Simply buy some PLEX with cash, sell the PLEX for ISK, then buy a few +5 implants.
Bull $****. Where did the ISK come from? Someone had to go out and earn it? Where did the implants come from? Someone had to go out and earn them.
PLEX allows someone to purchase ISK for $Cash. That ISK was earned by someone. A direct purchase of SP for $Cash is in no way like buying implants.
A $Cash purchase of SP would be like buying a month worth of not having to sit in a station and spinning a ship, of not adding to the community, of not going out and mixing it up with the griefers and the scammers and the carebears and the rats. Might as well bring down the console and type -GodMode.
The Real Space Initiative - V7
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Syphon Lodian You can buy ships with money already.
You're missing the point here. It's not that you can get your hands on a ship by getting an PLEX, and trading it for ISK and then for a ship.
It's that, if those report are to be believed, you can spawn ships by getting a PLEX (through the AUR store). There is a very important difference between the two.
Now, whether or not it is true that you can get the IW Scorp without paying a normal Scorp for it remains to be seen, but if true, that's a wrecking blow to the market right there. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Judicator Saturnius
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy Might as well bring down the console and type -GodMode.
To be fair, you'll also have to input credit card information.
vOv
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Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Do you really think we are that fcking stupid?
Yes, and you know what? They are right. CCP has always proceeded on the assumption that their customers are drooling morons, and it has been the correct thing to do. The growth in subscriber numbers and revenue is the end result, and you can't deny that's a good thing for the game.
Look at it this way: plenty of people will correctly maintain that the contents of your wallet and your hangar are not what makes you a good player in eve. So nothing much has changed, except possibly lower income for gold farmers. Ok, so some game content (production & manufacturing) may get slightly nerfed by making a tiny portion of the eve economy credit card rather than player driven. Seriously, no big. There were and are much bigger game issues to rage against.
And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question? |
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:30:00 -
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THE SKY IS FALLING! Every player in EVE will only fly Scorpions now! OH NOEZ
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cyclobs
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:31:00 -
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i knew this would happen, and when it does. No more eve for me!
**** you CCP.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Judicator Saturnius
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Might as well bring down the console and type -GodMode.
To be fair, you'll also have to input credit card information.
And that's why I'm not a CCP dev I suspect, I forget that part.
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Evelgrivion on 14/06/2011 01:34:26
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Syphon Lodian You can buy ships with money already.
You're missing the point here. It's not that you can get your hands on a ship by getting an PLEX, and trading it for ISK and then for a ship.
It's that, if those report are to be believed, you can spawn ships by getting a PLEX (through the AUR store). There is a very important difference between the two.
Now, whether or not it is true that you can get the IW Scorp without paying a normal Scorp for it remains to be seen, but if true, that's a wrecking blow to the market right there.
Exactly. What reason is there for CCP to push this system, as it is, before they're ready to make sure that the mechanics of the sandbox are maintained? The only motivation that explains this behavior is greed; greed that will destroy the mechanics of the game for a short term cash out. EVE could last forever, but it seems that certain factions in CCP are far more interested in sucking the marrow from EVE Online's bones before moving on to Emo Vampires: The MMO.
The pattern matches the business practices of their chief shareholders and main board of director members, Novator and Catalyst Productions, pretty well. What happens to EVE after CCP destroys it? Electronic Arts already has a member in CCP's board of directors. I'm sure they'd love to buy their own MMORPG IP for a song.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Do you really think we are that fcking stupid?
Yes, and you know what? They are right.
Sadly you might be right.
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Cognito Ergosum
Amarr Vulkan Schiffbau und Maschinenfabrik AG
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:35:00 -
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Well this sucks.
Part of the reason I've stuck with EVE for so long was that the sandbox was closed--we created all the stuff that died. And now that doesn't seem important anymore.
Really, if paintjobs were the big drive why not use an existing mechanism like the LP store? Want a Kador Family skinned Apoc, runs some 4's and trade in a normal Apoc. Want to make a killing on the market sell that Apoc to people who won't mission grind. Isn't that how things used to be? Am I mis-remembering?
Monocles and hats I couldn't care about; don't mess with the ships CCP.
(Optimistically hoping that anyone from CCP cares anymore)
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Judicator Saturnius
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: Judicator Saturnius on 14/06/2011 01:36:51 I hearby declare this incident ~scorpion~ uh.. -gate.
vOv
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Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:37:00 -
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Oh, for those of you without calculators: a scorp runs 57.5 million buy order price in jita. For various reasons including freetards buy orders for ships in jita are going to be exactly their value in minerals. A PLEX currently brings in 385x2 = 770M and costs $35. I'll solve the word problem for you: you can buy ( 770/57.5 ) = 13.39 scorpions for $35, which makes each scorp worth $2.61.
Unless the navy scorps are like a buck a pop there's fairly little to worry about considering how few I expect get sold. And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question? |
Rykuss
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Do you really think we are that fcking stupid?
Yes, and you know what? They are right. CCP has always proceeded on the assumption that their customers are drooling morons, and it has been the correct thing to do. The growth in subscriber numbers and revenue is the end result, and you can't deny that's a good thing for the game.
Look at it this way: plenty of people will correctly maintain that the contents of your wallet and your hangar are not what makes you a good player in eve. So nothing much has changed, except possibly lower income for gold farmers. Ok, so some game content (production & manufacturing) may get slightly nerfed by making a tiny portion of the eve economy credit card rather than player driven. Seriously, no big. There were and are much bigger game issues to rage against.
Because T1 production is crap anyway, so let's let people pay for them with a pretty new skin and they'll forget all about that stupid rebalancing idea. amidoinitrite?!
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:46:00 -
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Guys we are looking at this the wrong way.
Let all those rich kids buy those special ships. Then lets just sit outside jita and suicide gank anyone who undocks in one.
Epic kill mails for us. money for ccp to fix the game.
everyone wins, cept the guys who honestly use plex / aurum to buy the damn things initally.
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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:49:00 -
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Reply to multiple posters.
Fair enough. I didn't see it like that, which is mostly true. Nothing is spawned on a PLEX sale other than someone losing their own money. It doesn't make sense either, that they say they're pushing the Scorpion sale-feature through, without the need for having a Scorpion (player created/bought) to acquire the new one.
I think it's pretty clear they're just testing the waters. As it wouldn't make sense to just push it through, and like someone else said, no one is going to cry because they can't get a painted ship immediately. So they're testing the waters.
Maybe they need to justify and recoup on their EVE fanfest costs because someone spent all the ticket sales on cokayne.
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Eklesiastico
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Eklesiastico on 14/06/2011 01:56:02 This is disheartening.
They can't talk about immersion while selling ships-for-cash at the same time.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:02:00 -
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The issue here is the scorpion wasn't built by a player. who cares if it's the same stats wise, building ships is what keeps the whole economy together.
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:07:00 -
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Quote: Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price.
How many players will buy more expensive Scorps with a different skin? Not many. How hurt will EVE's economy be? Not at all.
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Quote: Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price.
How many players will buy more expensive Scorps with a different skin? Not many. How hurt will EVE's economy be? Not at all.
The problem is that CCP is willingly opening the pandora's box that is conjuring up non-cosmetic items for real money. Whether it is temporary, has many sales, or what amount of damage it will do is irrelevant. The mere fact that they are willing to breach the boundary is what worries people. _
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
... temporarily ...
Then they can temporarily not add it to the game instead of causing permanent mistrust and skepticism from the player base.
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Hostile Poosey
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:14:00 -
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I say bring it on. The game is already utterly infested with bots and RMTs, and you raise hell because CCP, the company that CREATED EVE, wants to make some money? Last i checked things like the new bot detection progs (for lack of a better word) And more GMs to deal with the days (sometimes weeks) long petition queue cost money. I read a day or so ago that it seemed like 90% of the playerbase was against change of ANY type. I'm starting to see the logic in that. The company has to grow, or it will die. period.
I find it hilarious. Thank you for the laughs.
/emote pulls out a smoke
Flame away, i need a light anyway.
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Zangorus
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:18:00 -
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**** ME
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hostile Poosey The game is already utterly infested with bots and RMTs, and you raise hell because CCP, the company that CREATED EVE, wants to make some money?
No. We are raising hell because CCP, the company that created EVE is clumsily, and apparently accidentally RAZING EVE. Both those parts are bad: that they're destroying parts of the game and that they're doing it because they're not thinking clearly.
If they want to make some more money, they're more than welcome. If they ruin the game while trying to do so, they will not only fail make that money, but also lose out on the regular, steady income stream they've established over the yearsà
Just because this is probably a classic case of Hanlon's razor doesn't mean that they shouldn't get an earful for it. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:23:00 -
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As always, forum overreaction. This is not that big of a deal. Sure, there will be emorage quits, pig sqeals, and what not. But the sky will not fall. Is the change good? IMO, no, it does nothing for game play. Will this bankrupt the Eve market? I highly doubt it will dent or even scratch it.
But yes, I'll agree that all CCP needs to do to save the whole 3 cent profit margin on the Scorpion (oh noes ) is to require a standard Scorpion.
But meh. Keep freaking out like headless chickens. It's what we do best anyway.
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Linda Shadowborn
Gallente Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Hostile Poosey The game is already utterly infested with bots and RMTs, and you raise hell because CCP, the company that CREATED EVE, wants to make some money?
No. We are raising hell because CCP, the company that created EVE is clumsily, and apparently accidentally RAZING EVE. Both those parts are bad: that they're destroying parts of the game and that they're doing it because they're not thinking clearly.
If they want to make some more money, they're more than welcome. If they ruin the game while trying to do so, they will not only fail make that money, but also lose out on the regular, steady income stream they've established over the yearsà
Just because this is probably a classic case of Hanlon's razor doesn't mean that they shouldn't get an earful for it.
^^
as an industrialist i am horrified that they even stopped to think "hey lets just **** over all the people that mine/build/invent and just hand out stuff for real cash"
Way to **** up CCP! You already have the mechanic in place for taking one ship and making it a new (LP store!). this is BS! if this goes through.. bye
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Panda Name
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Panda Name on 14/06/2011 02:33:55 if this is true, then i support the outrage. this rage won't be merely expressed out of political ideals, such as the rage expressed in threads regarding something like jump bridges - this is universal rage.
please say it ain't so.
edit: i just reread the OP. if this is merely for a ship re-skin, and nothing more, then i say it's acceptable but will still fear what this kind of thing implies. hopefully ccp uses restraint, and implements this system for simply reskinning, or adding corp logos. nothing more, or it will be the end of us all.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:35:00 -
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CCP needs to provide a detailed and believable timetable for when the store will be fixed so as to allow the proper consumption of scorpion hull, and a promise that this will be a priority issue.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 pig sqeals
As soon as the pants come off...
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:38:00 -
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CCP corporate/decision makers are to be congratulated on their efforts to keep turning players against them and their products.
The only reason to push this kind of crap mechanic 'temporarily' is to test it, to see how players feel about it and more importantly how they respond to it cash wise. If the issue is the code isn't done yet and you have actual 'values' when it comes to your product, the player economy, and player concerns about this kind of crap then you DON'T push it out broken or as a 'test'.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 14/06/2011 02:42:36
Originally by: Hostile Poosey
The company has to grow, or it will die. period.
No one that is reasonable will deny CCP's right to increase its revenues. No one that is reasonable will allow CCP to pi$$ on them and let CCP tell them it is raining.
For all CCP's boasts about being an innovative company, one of their main rationales for adding MTs is, to not get behind the curve. It is a contradiction, though perhaps a reasonable one in some respects, however it dilutes both statements when it comes to perception.
There are so many other innovative ways that CCP could increase their revenue other than slobbering on the butterfly wings of the sandbox, instead they choose MTs and to follow the crowd.
This is not a game for many, including myself, it is a hobby. Like any hobby, most of the fun is in the creation, not the finished product. Once your model ship is done, it's done. All over. MTs are altering the very nature of the hobby. Instead of enhancing the creative aspects, MTs detract from the creative aspects. They take potential creativity away from the enthusiast and give it to $Cash. It makes the entire experience that much less satisfactory because there are now shortcuts built into the system.
All of the creative potential and enthusiasm of the player base would have been an ample source of revenue for CCP, it would have been a very innovative approach to adding to their bottom line. Instead they choose the less innovative approach and seem to be choosing the path of the sheep.
By the way, it's raining. Umbrella for sale, 2 Aurum.
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