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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Nullity on 14/06/2011 03:04:15
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab CCP needs to provide a detailed and believable timetable for when the store will be fixed so as to allow the proper consumption of scorpion hull, and a promise that this will be a priority issue.
We've sunk so low that now fixing the MT shop is a "priority issue". I seriously want to know how EVE got to this point.
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Reed Tiburon
Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:05:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Cognito Ergosum Well this sucks.
Part of the reason I've stuck with EVE for so long was that the sandbox was closed--we created all the stuff that died. And now that doesn't seem important anymore.
Really, if paintjobs were the big drive why not use an existing mechanism like the LP store? Want a Kador Family skinned Apoc, runs some 4's and trade in a normal Apoc. Want to make a killing on the market sell that Apoc to people who won't mission grind. Isn't that how things used to be? Am I mis-remembering?
Monocles and hats I couldn't care about; don't mess with the ships CCP.
(Optimistically hoping that anyone from CCP cares anymore)
This. Terrible idea, CCP. Rethink.
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Machete Visor
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:08:00 -
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Can you buy aurum (whatever) for isk? If so, I dont see the problem Mine, sell, buy aurum, buy new scorp No different than all the transactions in this game - aurum is just an intermediary commodity
If you can only get aurum by $$ - well, yeah, that is a bad move
I guess some purists would say eve should be able to function at 100% even if no one bought another plex. Even in ny first example, this ship skin concept would violate that rule
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Machete Visor Can you buy aurum (whatever) for isk? If so, I dont see the problem Mine, sell, buy aurum, buy new scorp No different than all the transactions in this game - aurum is just an intermediary commodity
If you can only get aurum by $$ - well, yeah, that is a bad move
I guess some purists would say eve should be able to function at 100% even if no one bought another plex. Even in ny first example, this ship skin concept would violate that rule
You can only get Aurum from cashing in Plex. Plex comes from a GTC GTC comes from RL $$$$$$
You can buy the plex off the market with the ISK you mined for.You can cash that Plex in for Aurum. You can use that Aurum to purchase the MT item. The problem is that the process of making the ISK is bypassed completely by grabbing Daddy's Visa and buying GTC for Aurum. The other problem is that MT of any type excludes the player from the actual steps involved with creating said item. In essence someone is using daddy's Visa to spawn in game items with no effort and no creation process. This doesn't immerse a player into the Eve world it executes the Eve world.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 14/06/2011 03:29:00 The important thing to remeber here is players would be just as ****ed off if you could buy ships from NPCs with just pure isk, or pure LP.
It's not right, and it's f'ed up.
there is no mining, science, research, or building.
It's more or less an NPC store if they give out non-vanity items without consuming something a player built.
i hope players can stay on rack so CCP will listen and reverse this choice. I mean how does it take ot code the thing to take ships as payment? a week of work by 2 guys?
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Judicator Saturnius
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:27:00 -
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I'm intrigued by this module "daddy's visa," and would like a further description of it's usage/capabilities.
vOv
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:30:00 -
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This, if I understand it correctly, is an extraordinarily bad precedent.
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Ivbeen Cloned
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:31:00 -
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Can someone please explain to me how spawning a "special" scorpian and selling via a MC does not affect actual scorpian builders? Correct me if I'm wrong but from my viewpoint it affects the actual scorpian builders more than it affects anyone else in game. This can be said for all items being sold in stores that have an identical item that is produced by players.
I'd like to hear from anyone who disagrees with this...
This move by CCP is complete bull****, I'm fine with you paying for some stupid paint job on an item that you purchased with isk, paying for the actual item is not acceptable.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Vandrion on 14/06/2011 03:37:02 I am cross posting this from my Assembly Hall thread. One of the CSM has replied twice. Give the thread a good read. It is worth your time and directly ties into alot of concerns expressed in this thread. It also exposes a different side of the MT issue involving Dust and it's impact on the Eve universe.
I would love to hear what the CSM has to say about the MT issue especially considering the quotes and links I will provide below.
CSM--- Look at all the threads regarding MT. Look at the 52 page threadnaught in response to the Dev Blog on MT. Look at the thread in this forum where almost 80% of the responders don't want MT at all. The Eve community needs you to be our voice.
I qoute CCP Shadow from the PS3 blog on Dust514:
"Hi Vorlord. DUST 514 wonÆt have a monthly subscription like a number of MMOs. DUST 514 will have virtual goods sales though, that allow you to buy various types of gear used in combat."
"Hey Shoryukenll,
YouÆve asked a few things I canÆt delve too deeply into, but what I can comment on is what you said about virtual items and real money. DUST 514 will support purchases made through both in-game earned currency and real money currency."
Hmmmmm........ DUST514 is supposed to be tied into OUR Eve universe so now $$$$ for game changing items is one step closer......
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/06/06/introducing-dust-514-a-persistent-shooter-from-ccp/
Qouted from the Beginnings Blog on the Dust514 site:
"DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace."
So... CCP is including AUR in DUST which further ties it into Eve and explains why CCP isn't listening to the feedback from the players.
CCP also clearly states that AUR is purchased with RL money........ There should be absolutely ZERO arguments that AUR comes from anything other then RL cash money......
Monacles today. Game altering gear tomorrow!!!!!
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=1980
"RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released?
Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
Snippet of the RPS interview on Dust 514
So not only will the dust players spend RL cash to buy an advantage in their game, they will be using that RL cash purchase to buy an advantage in OUR sov warfare.
This is why a lot of us don't want MT of any form in Eve. Our concerns do not matter as CCP has already planned the future and it is RL cash transactions to buy an advantage........
***** Linkage for the threadnoughts MT Dev Thread
MT Vote Thread ******
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ivbeen Cloned Can someone please explain to me how spawning a "special" scorpian and selling via a MC does not affect actual scorpian builders? Correct me if I'm wrong but from my viewpoint it affects the actual scorpian builders more than it affects anyone else in game. This can be said for all items being sold in stores that have an identical item that is produced by players.
I'd like to hear from anyone who disagrees with this...
This move by CCP is complete bull****, I'm fine with you paying for some stupid paint job on an item that you purchased with isk, paying for the actual item is not acceptable.
It would be like the LP store giving out republic fleet tempest, without requiring a tempest in the trade.
hopefully no one will reply to your point since there is no way someone could disagree with you
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Machete Visor Can you buy aurum (whatever) for isk? If so, I dont see the problem
The problem is that without that Scorp trade-in requirement, the shop is spawning player-made equipment and material out of thin air.
ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:40:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Machete Visor Can you buy aurum (whatever) for isk? If so, I dont see the problem
The problem is that without that Scorp trade-in requirement, the shop is spawning player-made equipment and material out of thin air.
again thought keep in mind even if it only cost isk for this new item, and real money wasn't involved at all. it would generate just as much rage.
It has no place i eve. it has nothing to do with it being a MT item.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Machete Visor Can you buy aurum (whatever) for isk? If so, I dont see the problem
The problem is that without that Scorp trade-in requirement, the shop is spawning player-made equipment and material out of thin air.
again thought keep in mind even if it only cost isk for this new item, and real money wasn't involved at all. it would generate just as much rage.
It has no place i eve. it has nothing to do with it being a MT item.
That's not true. I don't think most people care about vanity items. It's the fact that the MT shop is spawning game affecting items that people care about.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nullity That's not true. I don't think most people care about vanity items. It's the fact that the MT shop is spawning game affecting items that people care about.
Well, perhaps. But MotherMoon is quite correct: the actual damage done would be just as large regardless of the currency ù virtual or not ù used to spawn those ships out of nowhere. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Nullity That's not true. I don't think most people care about vanity items. It's the fact that the MT shop is spawning game affecting items that people care about.
Well, perhaps. But MotherMoon is quite correct: the actual damage done would be just as large regardless of the currency ù virtual or not ù used to spawn those ships out of nowhere.
Oh, I misread his/her post. That is partially true that if it just used ISK to magically generate the Scorpion, it'd still produce rage.
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syphurous
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:02:00 -
[106]
So when will I be able to buy my Jedi with all his force power trained ?
( if it is not produced in EVE, I dont want it in Eve ) Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Darth Khasei
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:02:00 -
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Terrible decision CCP. You cannot do this without consuming a tech 1 ship. Stop breaking our sandbox please.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:06:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Mars Theran Well, I guess that settles it :) I suggest CCP remove, revoke, and retroactively expunge all Alliance Tournament prizes, free ships, and all ISK associated with their sale. They do after all enter the game through non-conventional means.
None of those replicate existing, identical ships that are created by the players and part of the market.
In fact, the whole thing that makes those ships valuable and have any ISK value whatsoever associated with their sales is exactly because they cannot be recreated, either by the market or by $$$áfiat.
Actually, there has been an ongoing argument that no ships, particularly those which cannot be purchased on market, or made by players most of all, should be available through MT. I'd quote but it's a waste of time, and there are far to many responses of that nature if you bother to read. Not only in this thread, but in the multitude of others that have been put up since CCP announced the Ishukone Scorp, and some from before even that.
I can't say I agree with the Ishukone Scorp being sold for another 6 months without requiring an injection of a stock Scorp from EVE either. At very least, for every sale, CCP could buy one of the market, trash it, and continue on; or just remove the Scorp from the store entirely until they can get whatever doesn't work working. that being said, I believe CCP has their own reasons for doing this, and it's likely to measure Market impact or some other obscure thing that we are not currently aware of as it's none of our business.
I wouldn't cancel my Sub over this though, yet.. I already cancelled my Sub 3 months ago.
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Ren Nekk
Dead Eye Dogs
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:08:00 -
[109]
If the quote from CCP Zinfandel is accurate, it is really unbelievable. I guess I'm stupid, but I came to believe Aurum really would be restricted to vanity items, at least for a long while. Of course selling "whole ships" is not restricting it to vanity items. Gah. CCP does a half-assed job with lots of stuff, and that is mostly fine with me, but surely their implementation of MT is not the time or place for such, no matter how "temporary" it is supposed to be.
Also, wtf CSM?!
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Ranita Drell
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:10:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Ranita Drell on 14/06/2011 04:15:07 If true, I agree that this sets a terrible precedent.
What gets me is that there seems to be an acknowledgment on CCP's part that this sort of thing compromises the integrity of the game/sandbox, because they claim to eventually want to have the exchange require the consumption of aurum plus the normal-skinned version of the ship ...
... but instead of waiting until the feature is actually done and ready to be implemented in a way that is in harmony with their purported design philosophy, they're going to rush the feature out in an incomplete state because ... well, I guess for the sake of the PLEX sales they'll be making in the interim.
Of course, the defense CCP would probably give for this decision would probably be put in terms of "releasing an imperfect but still functional/desirable feature sooner rather than for the enjoyment of our players." I think this argument is of dubious merit when coming from a company with a reputation for allowing old bugs and features to languish for months and years on end without much-needed attention, and again: because this particular feature has implications for the integrity of the game and CCP as a company, it would be prudent for CCP to hold itself to a higher standard in this case.
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Lemony Goodness
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:14:00 -
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This is horribly stupid.
This feels like T20 all over again with different stripes. Spawn game items outside of game mechanics that can effect everyone else in game. Explain again to me CCP why this shouldn't bother me?
And an auram is worth 115,000 Isk? So if I buy an eye patch for 1 auram it is worth more than a destroyer? Seems Isk is about to become chump change and auram the new standard. Does that seem right? Shouldn't there be a few thousand aurams in 1 Isk?
Well, any interest I had with Incarna is now totally gone. If this goes live, then I am through. Been an interesting five years.
Don't do this CCP.
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cerbus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:16:00 -
[112]
lololololol
For now they'll all be predesigned (if not forever). Its the easiest way to do this without ruining the Eve Art Direction and for actual programming time; they already had this scorpion model created so I'd say that would be one of the reasons why it was first.
it has begun
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Dr Sodius
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Sodius on 14/06/2011 04:16:21 i told you so...
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1517440&page=43#1279
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EightGuns Giovanni
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:17:00 -
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CCP provides expansions free of charge to its subscribers.[77] Over time expansions have added features such as conquerable stations, ship classes like Freighter and Dreadnought capital ships and advanced missions for players to master. Apocrypha, included an overhauled probing system, wormholes and customizable Tech 3 ships as its major features.[78] ......with microtransaction incoming am I playing the right game?? Cause the "store" has content which I have to pay more for than current sub cost.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust
Originally by: Mars Theran
Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 13/06/2011 22:22:02
Originally by: Lothros Andastar Protip: You can buy ships for Isk, which comes from Plex, so you can buy ships for Dollars anyway.
Dead wrong.
Nothing in EVE, beyond PLEX itself, is created without consuming minerals that were acquired through game mechanics. It is unacceptable for CCP to introduce a ship to the economy that consumes neither minerals, or an otherwise identical ship, for nothing.
This precedent cannot be allowed. The sandbox MUST NOT become second fiddle to Microtransactions!
Well, I guess that settles it :) I suggest CCP remove, revoke, and retroactively expunge all Alliance Tournament prizes, free ships, and all ISK associated with their sale. They do after all enter the game through non-conventional means.
Please don't forget the billions of isk spent both on applying to the tourney and on the many, many ships that have and still will blow up in said tourney.
Billions of ISK that gets handed back to the winner, (Do the ships cost the Alliance ISK or Points), public showcasing of their Alliances which helps to increase their reknown, and ships which have a combined value after sale of 1,250,000,002,000 ISK (Estimated)
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Doc Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sodius Edited by: Dr Sodius on 14/06/2011 04:16:21 i told you so...
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1517440&page=43#1279
Confirming that lots of players pointed out this kind of thing would be coming in the aforementioned thread.
Seems the slope is steep enough now I can hear the wind in my ears.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:28:00 -
[117]
Damn!! Even I would fly that Thorax.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:31:00 -
[118]
Hmmà if my calculations are correct, if that ship costs ~500 AUR, I can use it to get infinite¹ ISK.
¹ àfor a limited definition of infinite ù until the mineral and PLEX orders run out. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Katmande
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:35:00 -
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Totally unacceptable. Do not implement the ships until you can do it RIGHT. I take it none, of the CSM are ship builders, hence they do not think it will hurt the ship builder. Yikes, are they really looking out for the players interest here?
IF CCP is going to mess with the EVE ecomony and not have all functional items work through the normal market. EVE is not the sandbox game I want to play.
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EightGuns Giovanni
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:37:00 -
[120]
The real question is ...How many of the SWG devs are now working for EVE?
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