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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.06.14 12:49:00 -
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Star Wars Galaxies?
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.14 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel For those who missed it before, let's go back over this in better detail. The detail is interesting for many.
Team Stonehenge is making the store (Noble Exchange) and is making it in stages. It's fairly simple and straightforward at present but will be getting more sophisticated over time. Right now it can only sell one kind of thing at a time (no bundles) and can only accept one payment at a time (Aurum.)
It can't do trade-in's. It can't do BPCs. It can't sell anything that requires a user interface to use. It can't highlight an item on sale (they will look like the non sale items.) It can't sort/filter and only show you one kind of item. But it will get better.
Other folks are making cool ship art. Other folks are making clothing, etc. One of the cool ships was the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship which we brought to the CSM. They got to see a little better view of it than just a screen shot posted in a video broadcast and they thought it looked pretty cool. One of them will likely chime in about it or you'll see it in their meeting minutes which I know they are working on.
So I presented our dilemma to them. EVE players need to be in control of the EVE economy as much as possible. That's not just a marketing claim, that's what we really believe.
And if we sell a battleship in a store, that transgresses this important principle.
"Shall I hold this until the store properly supports BPCs or a Scorpion trade-in? Or shall I start selling it now for 3-4 months and then change how we sell it later?"
The CSM had one big question: -Is there any difference between the Ishukone Watch Scorpions sold whole and the ones sold in trade in? (The answer is no.)
They said yes, you want players in control. You want players buying Scorpions from industrialist players. Absolutely. But in this case this is not likely to hurt the EVE economy because initially people will only buy these ships as a collectible and for fun. This will not affect their purchase of Scorpions for actual fleet warfare. They will still buy as many Scorps - this would just be on extra out of their bling money.
So they recommended we go ahead and begin our learning curve and get the fun ship into circulation.
Now, behind the scenes, we will be monitoring to make sure that Scorpion sales don't crash and that the economy does not suffer. If it does, we can turn off the availability of the ship in minutes. We'll just point out that the Ishukone Watch only made a limited number of ships to sell to capsuleers and that supply has now run out.
If we need to go even slower, we can and will.
Go slower. The CSM was wrong. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.14 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake CCP have categorically stated time and time again that microtransactions will only be used for cosmetic items. CCP - do you want to prove everyone who calls you liars right?
A differently coloured Scorpion with exactly the same stats is pretty ****ing cosmetic. Yes the way they do it presently it could theoretically be used as a way to inject more common ores into the market, but realistically? Who the hell would buy an Ishukone Scorp just to reprocess it? Its not like there's a major shortage of trit with all that macroing going on.
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CCP Zinfandel
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Posted - 2011.06.14 12:56:00 -
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I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
there is the option of making the ship giving 1 trit if refined, not insurable and not leaving a wreck behind. ---
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ain't that right. |
Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Skippermonkey on 14/06/2011 13:04:49
Originally by: Grimpak there is the option of making the ship giving 1 trit if refined, not insurable and not leaving a wreck behind.
nonononono, its good. Ship for AUR straight swap is now off the table which is good.
Getting either a BPC purchase option, or a trade going is the best way forward.
Also, now theres a fairly reasonable CCP response, its kind of hard to rage about it anymore
personal preference would be for the AUR shop to sell BPC's ONLY, not pre-made ships - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OLD FORUM I ♥ YOU, NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN! |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey Edited by: Skippermonkey on 14/06/2011 13:04:49
Originally by: Grimpak there is the option of making the ship giving 1 trit if refined, not insurable and not leaving a wreck behind.
nonononono, its good. Ship for AUR straight swap is now off the table which is good.
Getting either a BPC purchase option, or a trade going is the best way forward.
Also, now theres a fairly reasonable CCP response, its kind of hard to rage about it anymore
personal preference would be for the AUR shop to sell BPC's ONLY, not pre-made ships
Even selling BPCs for Aurum would go against CCP's promise of only having MTs for vanity items.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: Grimpak there is the option of making the ship giving 1 trit if refined, not insurable and not leaving a wreck behind.
nonononono, its good. Ship for AUR straight swap is now off the table which is good.
Getting either a BPC purchase option, or a trade going is the best way forward.
Also, now theres a fairly reasonable CCP response, its kind of hard to rage about it anymore
just throwing feasible options. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
there is the option of making the ship giving 1 trit if refined, not insurable and not leaving a wreck behind.
I think it would be too much to ask for a million work arounds so that we can save eve and have the ship asap. I'm surprised we got an answer and action was taken to delay the ship being introduced..causing bad things to happen to our eve. I'm still worried all in all..but thankful to ccp for listening and acting.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenus 'It won't affect the economy because people are buying them for fun'.
Seriously? I mean, how goddamn dumb can you be?
I seem to remember reading a similar claim, somewhat paraphrased as "Titans won't affect 0.0 because people won't afford themà" ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: Rodj Blake CCP have categorically stated time and time again that microtransactions will only be used for cosmetic items. CCP - do you want to prove everyone who calls you liars right?
A differently coloured Scorpion with exactly the same stats is pretty ****ing cosmetic. Yes the way they do it presently it could theoretically be used as a way to inject more common ores into the market, but realistically? Who the hell would buy an Ishukone Scorp just to reprocess it? Its not like there's a major shortage of trit with all that macroing going on.
Question: what's the functional difference between selling a re-skinned Scorpion for cash and selling a normal Scorpion for cash?
Answer: nothing.
Question: would you be happy with CCP selling re-skinned titans for cash?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
there is the option of making the ship giving 1 trit if refined, not insurable and not leaving a wreck behind.
I think it would be too much to ask for a million work arounds so that we can save eve and have the ship asap. I'm surprised we got an answer and action was taken to delay the ship being introduced..causing bad things to happen to our eve. I'm still worried all in all..but thankful to ccp for listening and acting.
as I said, it's a "feasible" option. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:10:00 -
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The Real Space Initiative - V7
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Cathy Drall
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going.
Thanks Zinfandel. It's ok, just a Scorpion hull .. when's the Ashimmu with Khanid paintjob coming (would easily be the prettiest ship in game)????
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
stuff
Thank you for looking into it and making the wise choice.
The Real Space Initiative - V7
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 14/06/2011 13:16:33
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
Like you would do if you would follow some kind of deployment schedule with benchmarks and a finished project.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
This is indeed "not remembering correctly" they DIDN'T want this but they could "live" with one week test...that's as big as a diplomatic PLEASE NO as you can get!
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
The easiest way I can ask you guys is to ask the CSM. I will do that first and see what they say.
It seems you allready did sir! It seems they didn't like it sir! It seems nobody likes it SIR!
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
So they [CSM] recommended we go ahead and begin our learning curve and get the fun ship into circulation.
A total and utter lie, from what you just said. There is a big difference between no and reccomend.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August [..]
This is what you were allready going to do! So you are saying you WILL NOT change ANYTHING. (see below here for previous comment on 2011.06.14 11:10:00)
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
We aren't offering everything in the store on day one. We are rolling stuff in slowly. I had scheduled the Ishukone Watch Scorpion for late August
------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 14/06/2011 13:16:37 CCP please start creating Ships out of thin air so i can start my own company and create game like this ( but better ) and put you out of bussiness.
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EightGuns Giovanni
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:16:00 -
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I guess when this crap does get introduced what is CCP going to do for the people that paid for scorp paint job or any other ship and loses it in battle?
While some might buy this stuff after losing some you think it would become a dead end product.
I think the "store" should sell the paintjob not the ship, and it becomes an account unlock so if you buy the red scorp or w/e then any scorp purchased off the market can be painted in the hangar.
Just an opinon here.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
This is absolutely a feature that does not need to be rushed. Holding is a good choice... Not doing at all would be better however. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey Edited by: Skippermonkey on 14/06/2011 13:04:49
Originally by: Grimpak there is the option of making the ship giving 1 trit if refined, not insurable and not leaving a wreck behind.
nonononono, its good. Ship for AUR straight swap is now off the table which is good.
Getting either a BPC purchase option, or a trade going is the best way forward.
Also, now theres a fairly reasonable CCP response, its kind of hard to rage about it anymore
personal preference would be for the AUR shop to sell BPC's ONLY, not pre-made ships
It's off the table for now, for this first implementation. Don't get your hopes up =P They were clear enough, step by step, slower if need be.
INCARNA. EXPERT HOUSING, QUARTER STYLE, New Eden's Blue Lagoon. Coming Soon.
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Terh Rumnatarn
Caldari Research School of Astronomy and Astrophysics
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:19:00 -
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Thumbs up for the delay. "Linking MT to Plex" problem remains. And also the fact that you (CPP) constantly losing players confidence in this brand.
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
Thanks for the clarification, Zinfandel.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Skippermonkey on 14/06/2011 13:21:09
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
Thanks for the clarification, Zinfandel.
Page 13, enter the CSM Candidate Delegate (oops)
your voters have been raging
time to placate them in a statesman-like manner - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OLD FORUM I ♥ YOU, NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN! |
Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
Thanks for the clarification, Zinfandel.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel So they [CSM] recommended we go ahead and begin our learning curve and get the fun ship into circulation.
Yeah he didn't remember "some parts correctly" ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Buzzmong
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia I seem to remember reading a similar claim, somewhat paraphrased as "Titans won't affect 0.0 because people won't afford themà"
Also see: "Being able to fire the most powerful weapon in the game, which has an AOE effect, from a remote location off grid might be OP and go against Risk Vs Reward? Nah, it'll be fiiiinnnnneee."
Or the other: "So, we've introduced this new captial but we're boosting it as it's not a popular class. It's now going to be bridge the gap between a carrier and titan. You want to know it's role? Er, well, it's going to bridge the gap. Don't worry, it'll also be expensive and you won't see it often."
As for the topic. I pay a subscription to EvE and as such I don't want to see MT at all. If I have to suffer them, then they've got to not affect the game in any way at all (ie, just vanity). Adding a ship with a new paintjob that's created out of thin air and is essentially just injecting minerals into the game goes against this principle, not to mention the market issues.
I have to admit that if CCP continues down this front over the next 6 to 12 months, I can see myself leaving EvE and never coming back. It's got a massive whiff of Galaxies NGE about it when the devs and management couldn't see or forgot what made the game great and popular in the first place.
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ciar Meara Edited by: Ciar Meara on 14/06/2011 13:17:47
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
Like you would do if you would follow some kind of deployment schedule with benchmarks and a finished project.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
This is indeed "not remembering correctly" they DIDN'T want this but they could "live" with one week test...that's as big as a diplomatic PLEASE NO as you can get!
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
The easiest way I can ask you guys is to ask the CSM. I will do that first and see what they say.
It seems you allready did sir! It seems they didn't like it sir! It seems nobody likes it SIR!
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
So they [CSM] recommended we go ahead and begin our learning curve and get the fun ship into circulation.
A total and utter lie, from what you just said. There is a big difference between no and reccomend.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August [..]
This is what you were allready going to do! So you are saying you WILL NOT change ANYTHING. (see below here for previous comment on 2011.06.14 11:10:00)
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
We aren't offering everything in the store on day one. We are rolling stuff in slowly. I had scheduled the Ishukone Watch Scorpion for late August
Five Star post, Ciar Meara. You captured my shared sentiments perfectly.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey Edited by: Skippermonkey on 14/06/2011 13:21:09
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
Thanks for the clarification, Zinfandel.
Page 13, enter the CSM Candidate Delegate (oops)
your voters have been raging
time to placate them in a statesman-like manner
Actually, much as this issue is important. some CSM weight would better be used at this particular moment on the 'making CQ optional on docking, and retaining the old hanger view' issue. Given Incarna launches in 6 days. Also why can't we have our unlimited fittings back. So yes some CSM support for the MT issue is essential, but on a time sensitivity basis, it needs to go on Incarna first. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
Thank you. For now.
What may help preventing another forum rage in a few weeks about this is before August hits the calendar this year, to put up a dev blog and explain to us concerned citizens of EVE, why you need this particular item to be tested in your shop before the shop is actually finished and fully functional.
What is with the rush? We can wait a bit more on paint jobs. And there's always SiSi for testing.
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Davich MacGregor
Minmatar Stellar Products and Quality Resources
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:32:00 -
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This game used to be ok. Now they're going to make it some kind of a bastardized micro transaction/pay to play freak show. So proud about they're player economy that they're going to shove it up our arses to their elbows. Thanks CCP. Way to destroy this thing. Good job.
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EightGuns Giovanni
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: EightGuns Giovanni on 14/06/2011 13:34:35 Kinda a sad really that you can compare EvE and SWG together now
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