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Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:41:00 -
[1]
Great metagaming until the end.. that was boring as hell. |

Alexi Blue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:42:00 -
[2]
Worst AT yet. |

Dr Djago
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:42:00 -
[3]
what a ****ing disgrace, disgusting........ |

Klein Warlock
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:43:00 -
[4]
agreed worst final match ever |

El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:43:00 -
[5]
I gotta agree, I mean its just like the match of Outbreak vs Razor yesterday, Oubreak had the win and just quit fighting, its pathetic really.
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So Sensational
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:43:00 -
[6]
NO HONOUR WHY I PAY FOR THIS? |

Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:43:00 -
[7]
I have a feeling hydra is going to leave the outbreak thrasher alive, then let it kill them (or Self destruct) |

Valdamerca
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:44:00 -
[8]
Edited by: Valdamerca on 19/06/2011 21:45:19 I want my wasted time back. This is absolutely staged. 2 Vindicators died instantly and this one alone kills everything ? This is the first and last time I watch this bull****.
EDIT: Look at your PCU of 47k. Next year it will be far less if it all continues to go this way. |

Sirion Fujiwara
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:44:00 -
[9]
Total waste of time. Why did I want to watch this live...? |

Bishop Jace Beleren
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:44:00 -
[10]
Agree. Very sad I wasted 2 weeks to watch this. |
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Implying Implications
Minmatar Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:44:00 -
[11]
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE |

flapie 2
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:44:00 -
[12]
Streams and competitions where nice, but this last few fight and all the ****crap going around now is just nonsence. |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:44:00 -
[13]
Pretty much this. Boring as hell to watch and streched out on purpose to increase the boredom. At least they could have just finished it fast instead of just dragging on a pointless fight. |

Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:44:00 -
[14]
Next tournament i wont watch ... worst tournament i have ever seen. |

Komen
Gallente The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:44:00 -
[15]
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.
Worst final ever. |

Goobai Vapor
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:44:00 -
[16]
This final is a crap parade. |

Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:45:00 -
[17]
just ban the finalist , that should teach them |

Crazyf00
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:45:00 -
[18]
Gutted.. So much for the 'build-up'.. Waste of time. |

Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:45:00 -
[19]
This match is so staged that even a noob like me figured it out. |

Karmakoma3245
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:45:00 -
[20]
Congratulations Outbreak, droping your matches right until the finals, pathetic finals |
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Jack Mancetti
Minmatar Rennfeuer Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:45:00 -
[21]
This final was a shame for Eve  |

Spectre80
Caldari The Knights Templar Strategic Operations Brigade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:45:00 -
[22]
absolutely shameful. way to **** up the tournament final you idiots. |

Linda Shadowborn
Gallente Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:45:00 -
[23]
pretty big disappointment to an otherwise great tourney |

Reilly Duvolle
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:45:00 -
[24]
Signed. Absolutely horrible. |

Cortante
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:45:00 -
[25]
Wow, really, really regret watching last weekend and this weekend for such a lame final.
Really should be a better way to pick teams for the tournament. Weak. |

CoKaine Addict
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:45:00 -
[26]
Both outbreak and hydra should be banned from next tournament |

Tony 2fingers
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:46:00 -
[27]
Edited by: Tony 2fingers on 19/06/2011 21:50:28 I would agree with the OP, this is a farce. I understand co-operation but justifying the blatant scripting of this match is ridiculous.
The final , the whole tourney for that matter, should be about pilot skill, not predetermined scripted matches.
I could understand this if it was a player run event, makes sense, especially in EVE, but this is a CCP run event and such crap should not be allowed. |

Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:46:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Roosterton on 19/06/2011 21:46:10

Epic trolling, Hydra. The tears were definitely worth the 15 minutes. |

Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:46:00 -
[29]
its very sad, that the sportive tournament came to this lame end. metagaming wins over pilot quality and that really is poor. both teams should be disqualified. it's really disappointing.
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Taciho Onnlin
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:46:00 -
[30]
God ****ing dammit
I hate this kinda ****.
Pfffff |
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Cean
Caldari Hihhulit The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:46:00 -
[31]
Agreed, next time just change rules for throwing matches... this is just plain stupid. Watched first and last time, until rule changes. Have to think about on this other scamming crap going on too. It is different that it is allowed but... just lame.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:46:00 -
[32]
If you rig a match, do it beforehand and not THAT obvious.
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Cyno Sid
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:46:00 -
[33]
A complete joke, no respect for either Alliance or for CCP for letting it happen
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Xikorita
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:47:00 -
[34]
HERO VINDICATOR!
A woman wins eve!
Congrats HYDRA :D
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Ardil
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:47:00 -
[35]
sad...
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Dex Ironmind
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:47:00 -
[36]
META RELOADED FOR THE WIN!!!
Love the METAGAME, but that was dumb...
Dex was here.  |

Tigerclaw Bunny
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:47:00 -
[37]
it should be anchored in the AT rules that such teams get tempban from eve or permaban from tournament.
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LONGAPI
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:47:00 -
[38]
worst alliance tournament ever, i hope this last 3 alliances get theyr alliances disbanded and desqualified cause this is a sport and a competition not something u metagaming, and arrange until the final . what a rip off totally lost me has a viewer of alliance tournaments THIS USED TO BE SOMETHING THAT ALL CAPSULERS HOPE FOR !! and now u broke it CCP , when u allow this type off behavior . and those "expert" comemtators plz go get verone cause this guys suck!!
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CUdie Taday
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:47:00 -
[39]
This Final SUCKED talk about anti-climatic.
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Green Snot
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:47:00 -
[40]
All that build up and all those matches, and it ends up in this farce!
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Engad Tanon
Caldari Enterprise Estonia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:47:00 -
[41]
waste of time Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |

Bayushi Akemi
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:47:00 -
[42]
That was pathetic. Outbreak should be ashamed. Give the prizes to teams who played proper
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karrak
Muchacho's
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:47:00 -
[43]
So basically wasted my 2 weekends of watching this only for the final to be rigged ... Aleast i won 23 issues of EON
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JointVW
Fearless Bandits Fearless Bears
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:47:00 -
[44]
Just a lame final.
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diaufop
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:48:00 -
[45]
Totally disagree, it was bloody hilarious.
It's Internet Spaceships, none of it really matters, no reason to get so angry about it.
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:48:00 -
[46]
ITT: People taking the tournament way too seriously. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
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Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:48:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Aloe Cloveris on 19/06/2011 21:50:48 HYRDRA HAS PROVAILED
Awesome match, also it's pretty clear that blasters are fine the way they are. That Vindicator owned. Good show! |

Sensaia
The Wyld Hunt Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:49:00 -
[48]
u won the meta gaming final, great setup
but very poor final
lol @ awesome performance
The tournament should be about performance of the different alliances, fights, excitement NOT THIS CRAP.
Also PL how much did they pay u to loose :)
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Erim Solfara
Amarr inFluX.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:49:00 -
[49]
I've absolutely no problem with them being friends and all, as long as they've got the honour to carry out the final in a proper fight, the solo vindi mop up was boring and pointless...
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FawKa
Gallente x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:49:00 -
[50]
It's part of EVE @ TQ yes.. But that was the last tournament I will spend time watching.
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Thaylon Sen
Dynamic International Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:49:00 -
[51]
Well that sucked.... wont be watching the next AT thats for sure.
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Tyrehl
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:49:00 -
[52]
HYDRA
DID
PROVAIL
Whine more ***gits :D pew-pew |

Dalen Skyard
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:50:00 -
[53]
I wish I has just gone to Vons 2 hours ago like I was originally planning.
Terrible.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:50:00 -
[54]
Can't stop laughing.  --------
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Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:50:00 -
[55]
I wonder what CCP ~really~ thinks about this final battle...?
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Vyl Vit
Minmatar Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:50:00 -
[56]
Oh goody! A rigged game! Cheat at Solitaire? EVE Tournament. It doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
What I loved was, "This is what EVE is really like."
So, we're all a bunch of cheaters. I guess it's a good demographic of modern society...no contest. Just winners.
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tigerpr0n
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:51:00 -
[57]
what a bunch of ****. |

Djavo
Selectus Pravus Lupus Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:51:00 -
[58]
Laughable.
Poor show to be honest.
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:52:00 -
[59]
Tsa.. Metagaming V is a must have skill nowdays  -
"We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value" |

Juno Valchelza
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:52:00 -
[60]
2 weeks of matches lead up to the finale... leads to a lame fight.
Yes this is Eve and yes this is part of Eve. But, not very enjoyable to watch and a waste of time.
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ASIV TRE
FREE GATES HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:52:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Karmakoma3245 Congratulations Outbreak, droping your matches right until the finals, pathetic finals
Originally by: CoKaine Addict Both outbreak and hydra should be banned from next tournament
Not only this. They should be banned from the CURRENT tournament as well. They should NOT receive the prices!
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Adriana Hubble
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:52:00 -
[62]
Fix! That had to be a fix. Final match had to have been thrown. CCP, investigate this please!
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Myr Catan
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:52:00 -
[63]
lame...so when do we get a real final?
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Pajama Sam
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:53:00 -
[64]
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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petchias
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:53:00 -
[65]
It is disgusting other alliance's deserved to be there and would have fought this was a joke
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Gilbert Intaki
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:53:00 -
[66]
I can't believe I turned down dinner with my gildfriend for this farce. Waste of an otherwise good buildup for the past two weeks.
Bullcr*p!
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Crexa
Star Mandate
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:53:00 -
[67]
Meta gaming good for the game/community. Meta gaming in high profile events, bad for EVE in general.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:53:00 -
[68]
ITT: People confuse disappointment with tears.
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Elendra Ragnek
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:53:00 -
[69]
Well that was an utter waste of my time
Sports teams get banned and fined for doing jumk like that, if no rules against meta gaming next time round won't bother watching
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Janov Moussou
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:54:00 -
[70]
Either you disqualify every team which is meta gaming or this was the last AT I was ever watching.
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ToXicPaIN
Minmatar Strategic Solutions Ltd. Huzzah Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:55:00 -
[71]
Edited by: ToXicPaIN on 19/06/2011 21:55:58 2 weeks of matches and a very very bad final
Hydra you Sucks !!!! i hope you gona die all
@CCP Disqualify OUTBREAK and Hydra !!!!!!
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Warmaster Abaddonn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:55:00 -
[72]
Waste of time. Disqualify the pair of them, this is disgusting - especially given the fact it was THE FINAL.
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RemTrad
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:55:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Elendra Ragnek Sports teams get banned and fined for doing jumk like that
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 19/06/2011 21:56:41 match fixing should have both teams disqualified in future tournaments
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Edisonn Trent
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
[75]
Give me my wasted hours back.
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Leetah Stormbringerr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
[76]
Well, they can count on me switching off for next year's tournament. I'm not interested in watching a fixed match, whether they are practice buddies... or that the 2 alliances help each other out.
How the Commentards on EvE TV could call this a "The Best Tournament Ever" is beyond a joke.
CCP should censure each of the Finals teams by disqualification, and hand out the prizes to the 3rd and 4th teams.
Also sort the rules out for next year to stand any chance of redeeming what used to be one of the more attractive parts of this game, or lose more good will of the ordinary player in this game.
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Cao Acoma
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Drykor Great metagaming until the end.. that was boring as hell.
QFT - shameful end
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Aranial
Gallente Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
[78]
omg so much whining.
This personifies EVE if you don't like it
you know what I'm going to say
GB2WOW.
Well played Hydra and Outbreak, a well earned win
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FawKa
Gallente x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:57:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Marlona Sky ITT: People confuse disappointment with tears.
+1
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Junko Sideswipe
The Altruistic League of Cultured Justicars
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:57:00 -
[80]
Love you Garmon.
This is what makes EVE great. **** the haters.   
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Zispin
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:57:00 -
[81]
Such a shame, the panel didn't even discuss the worst final ever. SHAME ON YOU....
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Valzin
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:58:00 -
[82]
It was bul**** !! I already felt stupid for sitting around watching and betting alot of isk. that **** should not be allowed, Fight or leave. Ccp want do **** either
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navalny
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:58:00 -
[83]
This final is corrupted. Parties should be in virtual eve jail. CCP, change the rules!
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kdsjfjhiskhfs
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:58:00 -
[84]
I hope ccp will ban hydra and outbreak from current and future tournaments. I hope olso pilots which played in final will get ban from eve atleast tempban.
It was waste of time.
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Firemane Ghost
Astral Blasphemy
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:59:00 -
[85]
Worst final ever!!
Good going guys!!
Oh and next time plz tell us who will be the winner from the start, so we won't have to stay online for so long... it's just too boring.
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Pans Exual
Minmatar Euro Corps
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:59:00 -
[86]
It was a shame after two weeks of great matches.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:00:00 -
[87]
Great tournament if it weren't for the final match. No matter how many matches have been rigged until now - shame on both finalists. I really wouldn't have cared if it wouldn't have been that obvious.
Just pretend to deliver a good fight and blame it on a "pilot error" next time. People will actually love you for bringing a good fight instead of hating you for beeing *******s.
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Cyno Zicke
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:00:00 -
[88]
that was the last tournament I will spend time watching.
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Drunken Kennedy
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:00:00 -
[89]
This owns.
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Pistrik
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:00:00 -
[90]
Meh, sad end to a sad tournament. Garmons A and B team staged the final to try and get press for Laedy, with the prizes to be shared between the two teams anyway. What tools.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:01:00 -
[91]
ITT: WAAAH MY :E-HONOR: IS INSULTED BAN THIS SICK FILTH
Get a ****ing grip. This is *internet spaceships*, not the World Cup final. Jesus.
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Cunane Jeran
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:01:00 -
[92]
Thats the kind of thing that makes me pay for this game <3 well played.
rest of you HTFU.
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Van Doren
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:02:00 -
[93]
Confirming that it was boring.
Good job getting there though. 
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Saul Reaver
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:02:00 -
[94]
Not gonna bother watching the next tourney to be honest. I think both teams have some truely awesome pilots among them but i feel robbed of what i think would of been one of (if not the best) Final in ally tourney history. What is the point in watching if the outcome is rigged? There is no fun in that. Congrtaz to Hydra i suppose.  ----------------------------------------
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Blubber Bubba
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:03:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Guttripper I wonder what CCP ~really~ thinks about this final battle...?
I think it is mixed. Some will say that this is EVE Online and cheating/scamming is valid, this is completely true.
However only very few people like watching obvious fixed fights. The people that say that they like such fights are only interested in the responses from the viewers. This makes the Alliance Tournament far less interesting, it has become less of an epic battle and more of a clown fight. And as far as I can see there is already a decline in popularity. This is something that CCP doesn't like.
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:04:00 -
[96]
I just want to congratulate Laedey to an amazing end to an amazing tournament! Great work!
(and thank you for this beautiful, beautiful thread full of sorrow~)
The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster
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ThaWolf
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:04:00 -
[97]
This is EVE, not Hello Kitty Online, to the hater¦s this teams worked together and beat up all others, they won together, when they wanna put up a show in the end, they earned the right to so so.
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Orange Faeces
The Atomik Izlamiks
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:04:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Alexi Blue Worst AT yet.
+1
Just to be clear... the reason the final is the worst ever is because it was the same team fighting each other. For the commentators to eat it up and claim that they had "earned" their success, when they obviously doubled their chance to win by entering two teams, are complete morons. I lost a lot of respect for CCP today.
oF ---
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Cham Palaung
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:04:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Green Snot All that build up and all those matches, and it ends up in this farce!
Exactly, so many people have invested so much time and work to compete as well as they could and offer us four days of exciting fights. This final was such a cold shower :(
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:04:00 -
[100]
Absolutely love this ending. Well done guys, congratulations on the victory!
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Parphyr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:05:00 -
[101]
worst.
Best decision will be a both teams troll by CCP taking medals and regals to Darkside
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Lord Kazuhiro
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:05:00 -
[102]
Originally by: ASIV TRE
Originally by: Karmakoma3245 Congratulations Outbreak, droping your matches right until the finals, pathetic finals
Originally by: CoKaine Addict Both outbreak and hydra should be banned from next tournament
Not only this. They should be banned from the CURRENT tournament as well. They should NOT receive the prices!
Don't worry, they won't receive the "prices" they will however receive the "prizes".
Honestly I too found it a bit odd that a team that had just wiped the floor with 80% of the enemy team with no losses (And almost no damage) could then lose the match horribly like that. I'm not calling staged, as I've seen weirder things happen in eve battles. But then they mentioned the oniros was RR the enemy team. That raised an eyebrow. Still it was entertaining, and if legit was a hell of a comeback.
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SS Starlet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:05:00 -
[103]
This is the first tournament I have seen and probably going to be the last. The outcome of that final makes me want to swing from the ceiling. I've literally wasted all day to see this final. They should be disqualified, it's an obvious fix unless i've been licking the backs of too many toads and i'm missing something.
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Waylan Yutani
Gallente Order of the Seraphim
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:05:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Gilbert Intaki
I can't believe I turned down dinner with my gildfriend for this farce. Waste of an otherwise good buildup for the past two weeks.
Bullcr*p!
*not sure if serious
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Stephan Janus
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:05:00 -
[105]
I'm of two minds.
One the final battle should have been an honest battle. even if they brought rifters and went for the last man standing, not really an alliance tournament but something /honest/.
Then there is the EPIC meta game and HOURS and HOURS of polticing, plotting and planning that went into this. Never knowing if they would succeed to be the 1 - 2 temas. The training.. Serious win there.
But do I think CCP should void the battle. There was no rule against it.. Can't write the rules after the act is done (BUT I ANT THEM TO)
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Tavi utei
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:05:00 -
[106]
ccp promated this, iam sorely disappointed, it was an obvious rig, they said it themselves, that two alliances coperated in getting into the tourney and had ccp switch sides so they could fight each other. i am disappointed in the finals match and was surprised that the annoucers did not say something about it. as far as i am concerned no prizes should be awards and the the semi fianls losers should battle for the prize. |

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:06:00 -
[107]
Boring/lame final, but they earned the right to do what they did. I like how soundwave basically ignored the final completely and asked the panelists about their favorite tournament moments. A lot of the crybabies in here would do well to follow his lead.
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Tamamono Mae
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:06:00 -
[108]
Every bit as meaningful as the World Wide Wrestling Federation, which is not "world wide," not "wrestling," and not a "federation" but an entertainment company that is only nominally publicly traded, being 96% controlled by the McMahon family, of which Linda McMahon tried to buy herself a US Senate seat with a self-financed 2010 campaign.
I guess that makes the EVE Tourney Final "real," but in a fairly disgusting sort of way.
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:06:00 -
[109]
Dunno what everybody's so mad about. Yes, Outbreak threw the match, but before they stopped firing they smashed Hydra to pieces. Outbreak was the superior team (or at least the team with the superior set up). If it makes you feel better, just tell yourself Outbreak won. I mean, they'll be splitting the grand prize anyway, who cares?
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StyphonUK
Caldari Fearless Bandits
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:06:00 -
[110]
Edited by: StyphonUK on 19/06/2011 22:07:16
Originally by: Jovan Geldon ITT: WAAAH MY :E-HONOR: IS INSULTED BAN THIS SICK FILTH
Get a ****ing grip. This is *internet spaceships*, not the World Cup final. Jesus.
And yet why is a "World Cup final" more important? That's just a stupid sport someone watches where as this is a game people put hours and hours into playing. A tournament like this is more personal to someone than some sports world cup.
Absolutely disgraceful final. They were going to share the prizes after the tournament anyway, there was no reason for them not to give us a proper fight other than some little *****es in Hydra having to be on top and having their names on the trophy. ****ers!
Originally by: The Mittani I just want to congratulate Laedey to an amazing end to an amazing tournament! Great work!
(and thank you for this beautiful, beautiful thread full of sorrow~)
Comments like that are exactly why a prick like you shouldn't be on the CSM.
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lilililililililililili lilili
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:06:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Lord Kazuhiro
Honestly I too found it a bit odd that a team that had just wiped the floor with 80% of the enemy team with no losses (And almost no damage) could then lose the match horribly like that. I'm not calling staged, as I've seen weirder things happen in eve battles. But then they mentioned the oniros was RR the enemy team. That raised an eyebrow. Still it was entertaining, and if legit was a hell of a comeback.
Please wake up and stop posting.
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AngryMax
Gallente Warriors tribe DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:06:00 -
[112]
Amazing finish Hydra. You guys totally showed everyone that one skilled pilot can take on a whole blob and win.
Good job.
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:07:00 -
[113]
To everyone that is quitting, can i please have your stuff??
Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts. |

Saul Reaver
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:07:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Lord Kazuhiro
Originally by: ASIV TRE
Originally by: Karmakoma3245 Congratulations Outbreak, droping your matches right until the finals, pathetic finals
Originally by: CoKaine Addict Both outbreak and hydra should be banned from next tournament
Not only this. They should be banned from the CURRENT tournament as well. They should NOT receive the prices!
Don't worry, they won't receive the "prices" they will however receive the "prizes".
Honestly I too found it a bit odd that a team that had just wiped the floor with 80% of the enemy team with no losses (And almost no damage) could then lose the match horribly like that. I'm not calling staged, as I've seen weirder things happen in eve battles. But then they mentioned the oniros was RR the enemy team. That raised an eyebrow. Still it was entertaining, and if legit was a hell of a comeback.
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Nankeen Heron
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:07:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Nankeen Heron on 19/06/2011 22:09:32
Originally by: Jovan Geldon Get a ****ing grip. This is *internet spaceships*, not the World Cup final. Jesus.
The World Cup final has better acting... Where do I get me some of those "magic spray" drones?
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Tankroo
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:07:00 -
[116]
OMGà I just noticed that the hero vindi with the supertank oneiros didnÆt take any damage for at least 10 minà did all the outbreak guys have damaged guns from overheating, to wipe out all the rest hydra team???!
Now I wonder!
     
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Cyno Zicke
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:07:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Vile rat Absolutely love this ending. Well done guys, congratulations on the victory!
we watched the same ??? i dont think so
BAN HYDRA / BAN OUBREAK FOR THIS ****ING **** FINAL!!!!!!!! BAN HYDRA / BAN OUBREAK FOR THIS ****ING **** FINAL!!!!!!!! BAN HYDRA / BAN OUBREAK FOR THIS ****ING **** FINAL!!!!!!!! BAN HYDRA / BAN OUBREAK FOR THIS ****ING **** FINAL!!!!!!!!
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WifehatesWow
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:08:00 -
[118]
Sad but true, meta is a huge part of eve but maybe you should drop the name Tournament to something like Alliance Show.. Wonders how many will pair up next year as most seem to copy what they see in past years. Also probably my last time viewing the AT's as it seems its no longer about honor.
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ASIV TRE
FREE GATES HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:09:00 -
[119]
Both Outbreak and Hydra Reloaded should be wardeced and their allies should reset them. They do not deserve to exist in this universe.  
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Reilly Duvolle
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:09:00 -
[120]
Agree with the OP. Yes Metagaming is a part of "normal" EVE. But "fair" arena fights are not. The tournament format is in fact NOT part of normal EVE but designed for the explicit purpose of showcasing "fair fight" PVP and make good TV entertainment for 20-30.000 viewers. I dont blame HYDRA or 0utbreak for playing the game. But after this, the ruleset needs to change before the next tourney. Because if THIS is whats going to happen, I am not gonna be arsed to stay up and watch. I'd rather just read about it in the forums the next day.
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realdognose
Caldari Biotronics Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:09:00 -
[121]
Edited by: realdognose on 19/06/2011 22:09:29 i really think, that this was a fake! 
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Tankroo
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:11:00 -
[122]
Originally by: realdognose Edited by: realdognose on 19/06/2011 22:09:29 i really think, that this was a fake! 
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Noooooo... what makes you think like that??????!
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Stephan Janus
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:11:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Reilly Duvolle But after this, the ruleset needs to change before the next tourney. Because if THIS is whats going to happen, I am not gonna be arsed to stay up and watch. I'd rather just read about it in the forums the next day.
+1
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4CID 8URN
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:11:00 -
[124]
Tournament - means 1st of all sport, ccp i think u should make it looks like Sport if u call it Tournament.
wasted my time watching...
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:12:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Cyno Zicke
Originally by: Vile rat Absolutely love this ending. Well done guys, congratulations on the victory!
we watched the same ??? i dont think so
Oh we did, I'm just enjoying the outcome a lot more than you are I suppose! I think a metagaming ending to this contest is the perfect eve ending.
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Icylce
Frost Palace
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:12:00 -
[126]
Seriously CCP why bother making any rules at all when u let them rigg matches so obviously?
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Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:12:00 -
[127]
Yeah I mean don't get me wrong, I love the scheming and politics in Eve, but I really cannot be arsed to watch a fight like this again and there have been too many in this alliance tournament. If even the finals end up like this then I'm not gonna bother with it anymore. --- Drykor - AHARM |

Hroya
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:12:00 -
[128]
"unexpected" final in some sideshow in eve.
Metagaming is part of eve and it's everywhere, rightfully so and exploited likewise. That's eve. From a viewers point it's getting old and boring to see it in the tournament though but i guess as long as people publicly rage and cry about it it serves it's purpose.
If people have problems with the metagame aspect then just dont watch next time and save yourself some "wasted" time and surely dont come here and cry about it.
It's eve wether you like it or not. Dont throw a fit because you "think" you have first dip in the honour pot. Decide next year if you want to watch again or not, see you then  |

ThrashPower
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:13:00 -
[129]
a lot of mad in this thread 
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Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:13:00 -
[130]
If you don't like it, you could always sign up your own alliance for the tournament next year and actually play to win, much like Hydra + Outbreak just did! hth! |
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Seymore Graves
The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:14:00 -
[131]
Originally by: ThrashPower a lot of mad in this thread 
I think you will agree that mad posters are the best kind of posters.
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Saul Reaver
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:15:00 -
[132]
I got an idea. Every Alliance in next years tourney turn up in T1 fitted Rifters. Brawl it out. Then when tourney is over splitt the lootz with all teams that made it to final's weekend. Profit. Any takers?  ----------------------------------------
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Sureibl
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:15:00 -
[133]
What rule do y'all want? 'Don't make it too obvious when you make an agreement for one team to win'? I'm pretty sure if you wanted to ban metagaming the only way to do it would be to ban absolutely every team...
That said, CCP could respectfully ask the teams to at least put on a good show, as this probably hurts viewer numbers in later years (though I don't see why it should), which hurts [possibly] everyone. |

Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:15:00 -
[134]
I'm gonna think outside the box and disagree with pretty much everyone saying this was bad.
We wanted a proper slugfest for the final match and that's what we got, Outbreak and Hydra went at it guns blazing and Outbreak won in the fight overall...
However Outbreak and Hydra are friends, and they've just shown the whole community that's it's not all about winning, it's about taking part, playing an online game with your friends and just having fun. The fact that Outbreak won the fight but let Hydra take the match was an amazing showing of friendship between the two that got me a little emotional 'cos it's rare nowadays to see people being so generous to each other.
So from me, +100, good on them for showing all these Eve trolls that's it's not about winning, it's about having fun! Loved the tournament, loved the commentators, was a bit bored of all the Minmatar ships but y'know, can't have everything ;)
Looking forward to next year :D
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:15:00 -
[135]
There's no place safe in EVE from metagaming, especially not the AT, which is a delicious viper's nest of spying and deal-making.
You should make peace with that, or find a game where your cries of 'honor' will actually be listened to.
The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:17:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Kagumichan I'm gonna think outside the box and disagree with pretty much everyone saying this was bad.
We wanted a proper slugfest for the final match and that's what we got, Outbreak and Hydra went at it guns blazing and Outbreak won in the fight overall...
However Outbreak and Hydra are friends, and they've just shown the whole community that's it's not all about winning, it's about taking part, playing an online game with your friends and just having fun. The fact that Outbreak won the fight but let Hydra take the match was an amazing showing of friendship between the two that got me a little emotional 'cos it's rare nowadays to see people being so generous to each other.
So from me, +100, good on them for showing all these Eve trolls that's it's not about winning, it's about having fun! Loved the tournament, loved the commentators, was a bit bored of all the Minmatar ships but y'know, can't have everything ;)
Looking forward to next year :D
+1
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:17:00 -
[137]
Notice how even the presenters were so disinterested and bored with the sham they stopped talking about it immediately once it was over, and moved onto other topics. Funny how none of the "<3 tears" crowd seemed to notice. I guess they don't want anyone to care... well, ok :-D I won't bother next year :-) -- Frog blast the vent core! |

Valzin
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:17:00 -
[138]
Well I want be watching this again. I lost alot of isk on what i thought was gonna be a fair fight
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Dracorimus
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:18:00 -
[139]
ex 0utbreak here, bad form I say, bad form... ≡v≡ Wing Commander - Caldari State
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Gaius Fabius
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
[140]
Shows no respect for all the hard work put in by CCP, sponsors and all the people behind the production.
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Veiam
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
[141]
Originally by: The Mittani There's no place safe in EVE from metagaming, especially not the AT, which is a delicious viper's nest of spying and deal-making.
You should make peace with that, or find a game where your cries of 'honor' will actually be listened to.
I absolutely love EVE because of its metagame, and all the backstabbing that it has. However the AT is supposed to be viewed by others, and say what you will it serves as a promotion for EVE. People who watch it watch it for the same reason they watch any other sporting event, which is to see a good game being played. As it stands the final would have been much better if all of Outbreak just self-destructed immidiately, or just left one of the frigates of HYDRA alive and then self-destructed.
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AngryMax
Gallente Warriors tribe DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:21:00 -
[142]
Obviously it was a show of friendship. And that's whats important in life. Not ISK.
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Hubris
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:21:00 -
[143]
YELLING LOUDLY ABOUT STUFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!
btw these tears are delicious. HI5 hydra and outbreak!!! -
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Marlona Sky ITT: People confuse disappointment with tears.
OH GOD LOL.
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Raynohr
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
[145]
Originally by: The Mittani There's no place safe in EVE from metagaming, especially not the AT, which is a delicious viper's nest of spying and deal-making.
You should make peace with that, or find a game where your cries of 'honor' will actually be listened to.
+1
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Leetah Stormbringerr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Aranial omg so much whining.
This personifies EVE if you don't like it
you know what I'm going to say
GB2WOW.
Well played Hydra and Outbreak, a well earned win
Hmmm that just proves the point that you're one of the few over inflated egos in this game that justifies the "Meta-Game". You're flying in the face of the majority view that this tourny turned into a farce. All Meta-Gaming achieves is the ruining of the game for the vast majority of players caught up in it. The only ones that benefit are that small clique of players who believe in the self centred hype that they are in some way better than every one else.
In this instance the vast majority of people watching would agree that this tournament final is probably the worst advert for this game that could have been thought of... come play EvE, nothing you do will matter because you're not even the boot scrapings on the bottom of the shoes of a small group of players with Oedipal complexes.
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Kevo Naaras
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
[147]
Nerf vindicators
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Nicolas Cabrera
Perfecto Records
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
[148]
Originally by: CoKaine Addict Both outbreak and hydra should be banned from next tournament
+1, ban those ****s who wasted the whole meaning of a tourney
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Seleene
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
[149]
I think it was a crap ending to an otherwise amazing AT. It's supposed to be a combat tournament. FIGHT! lol
Kudos to the CCP folks involved in it and the commentators for putting on a great show. I thought it very telling how the 'winner' wasn't even mentioned nor was the 'match' even discussed when it was over.  ---- Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. |

Tez Saurus
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
[150]
I was upset because the final match was really boring to watch, but threads like this make it worthwhile. Great job to the participants.
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Mag'nal
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
[151]
Originally by: AngryMax Obviously it was a show of friendship. And that's whats important in life. Not ISK.
Everyone knew going into this match that Hydra's guy's had won, they took first and second. The amount of planning and strategizing to ensure both of their teams had the best chance of making it to the final match was awesome.
At any point during the tournament, either Hydra or OUTBREAK could have been knocked out. I really can't believe that they bought EVERY match, they got to the final on their own accord, and grats to them. And better still, they gave us a wonderful slugging match that proved OUTBREAK was the winner in combat, but they conceded that Hydra got them there, so Hydra gets to take the grand prize.
Good show all around, and to those looking at it's face value, congrats, you're all acting like shallow WoW players. It's all in your head. You're living a lie. There is nothing money can't buy. |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:25:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Frau Klaps
Originally by: Marlona Sky ITT: People confuse disappointment with tears.
OH GOD LOL.
Apparently, I spoke too soon... 
I was disappointed. These people are ****ing ****ed off!
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Aramis Rosicrux
Gallente Blazing Saddles Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:25:00 -
[153]
Originally by: The Mittani There's no place safe in EVE from metagaming, especially not the AT, which is a delicious viper's nest of spying and deal-making.
You should make peace with that, or find a game where your cries of 'honor' will actually be listened to.
THIS!
Meta Gaming. Its NOT for children.
I love the fact that professional sports is full of sell-outs... but this crowd is mad over a virtual game!
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AngryMax
Gallente Warriors tribe DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:27:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Mag'nal
Originally by: AngryMax Obviously it was a show of friendship. And that's whats important in life. Not ISK.
Everyone knew going into this match that Hydra's guy's had won, they took first and second. The amount of planning and strategizing to ensure both of their teams had the best chance of making it to the final match was awesome.
At any point during the tournament, either Hydra or OUTBREAK could have been knocked out. I really can't believe that they bought EVERY match, they got to the final on their own accord, and grats to them. And better still, they gave us a wonderful slugging match that proved OUTBREAK was the winner in combat, but they conceded that Hydra got them there, so Hydra gets to take the grand prize.
Good show all around, and to those looking at it's face value, congrats, you're all acting like shallow WoW players.
Totally agree. Comradery won.
+9000
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:28:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Mag'nal
Originally by: AngryMax Obviously it was a show of friendship. And that's whats important in life. Not ISK.
Everyone knew going into this match that Hydra's guy's had won, they took first and second. The amount of planning and strategizing to ensure both of their teams had the best chance of making it to the final match was awesome.
At any point during the tournament, either Hydra or OUTBREAK could have been knocked out. I really can't believe that they bought EVERY match, they got to the final on their own accord, and grats to them. And better still, they gave us a wonderful slugging match that proved OUTBREAK was the winner in combat, but they conceded that Hydra got them there, so Hydra gets to take the grand prize.
Good show all around, and to those looking at it's face value, congrats, you're all acting like shallow WoW players.
^ this
If you're crying about how it went, you need to find yourself some good friends who will put you before anything, even internet spaceship tournaments for fictional money, then maybe you'll understand why the finals happened the way they did.
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Gabriel Tenlegall
Gallente Bi'Atch Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:30:00 -
[156]
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Nicolas Cabrera
Perfecto Records
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:31:00 -
[157]
Originally by: The Mittani There's no place safe in EVE from metagaming, especially not the AT, which is a delicious viper's nest of spying and deal-making.
You should make peace with that, or find a game where your cries of 'honor' will actually be listened to.
A final should be about SOMEthing, not being a waste of time even more boring then the 5th rehearsal of the Bold and the Beautiful. With RZR/OB match at least it was quick and to counter CO2 metagamers, but the finals? Imagine AC Milan and Inter Milan giving a performance like this in UEFA Champions League. They'd get lynched by the public and rightfully so
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Alea Ward
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:31:00 -
[158]
It wasn't that boring ... just some pilots having a lot of fun. This was a setup? Who cares - it's just another spacefight. This was some final - I had a great time laughing about their approach. 
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Valuial
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:31:00 -
[159]
Originally by: The Mittani There's no place safe in EVE from metagaming, especially not the AT, which is a delicious viper's nest of spying and deal-making.
You should make peace with that, or find a game where your cries of 'honor' will actually be listened to.
Yup even if it's completely destroying the only event in eve that could have push eve forward in term of new player...
And maybe in the ends players will follow your "wise" advice and eve will be all about metagamming no more space shooting, only people that talk to each other try to outsmart opponent by showing how much they have sacrificed their life to be there and outsmart the crying one.
Honor and joke put aside and from a new player point of view (yeah we need fresh blood) this isn't going to be good for ccp.
Regarding the AT results, like i care, the only results is that i wont take time to watch tournament final next year.
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:36:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Terianna Eri on 19/06/2011 22:36:21 This "fight" was about as much fun to watch as a decent fight interrupted by supercapital hotdrops is to play in.
And I think it's telling that people who like the first have no problem with the second.
What a pathetic end to an otherwise great tournament.
P.S. I stuck around for another hour after the semifinals for this?  ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Seleene
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:36:00 -
[161]
I just wish they would have at least had a comedy brawl. T1 cruisers or something.  ---- Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. |

Firebolt145
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:39:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Mag'nal
Originally by: AngryMax Obviously it was a show of friendship. And that's whats important in life. Not ISK.
Everyone knew going into this match that Hydra's guy's had won, they took first and second. The amount of planning and strategizing to ensure both of their teams had the best chance of making it to the final match was awesome.
At any point during the tournament, either Hydra or OUTBREAK could have been knocked out. I really can't believe that they bought EVERY match, they got to the final on their own accord, and grats to them. And better still, they gave us a wonderful slugging match that proved OUTBREAK was the winner in combat, but they conceded that Hydra got them there, so Hydra gets to take the grand prize.
Good show all around, and to those looking at it's face value, congrats, you're all acting like shallow WoW players.
Quoting again so more people see.
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Mynt Sierra
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:41:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Seleene I just wish they would have at least had a comedy brawl. T1 cruisers or something. 
Rifters. Definitly Rifters.
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Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:42:00 -
[164]
This was the best possible ending, good job everyone.
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Vaarun
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:43:00 -
[165]
Imagine if at the world cup soccer finals, both teams came on to the field and started playing catch with the ball and occasionally kicked it, then pulled the goalies and starting shooting from mid-field at the goals for laughs.
I do not think soccer fans would be pleased.
This is how EVE players feel now...at least the ones that watched the Tourney. Right now I can hear big allainces brokering to split into smaller alliances just to field ABCDEF and G teams to get them in there and manipulate the points and brackets so that at least one of them gets into the final. Lock it down NOW!Any alliance not made by yesterday cannot compete now...but that doesn't prevent pilots from moving.
As much as people(from big 0.0 alliances, btw)on the commentary team said 'this is the way EVE is', that doesn't mean the Tournament has to be that way. Think of a way to fix it. Perhaps prefit ships, if you win one year you cannot play next year(pilots *OR* corps *OR* Alliance), or make it that wins not points determine who advances, I don't care. The amount of time I cleared to watch the matches now seems utterly wasted if the final was the end result, time I will not waste next year until changes are made.
VERY disappointed.
"To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
-Vaarun |

Sunaj Sin'Sakki
Amarr North Khanid Traders
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:44:00 -
[166]
The last fight was boring, but anyone complaining about metagaming obviously has never seen an alliance tournament before. The amount of corruption that is part and parcel with all nine of the alliance tournaments is astounding. I'm really suprised this is new to people. Its EVE where wheeling and dealing makes you famous. GHSC, Tyrrax Thorrk, BoB, Goons, PL and now Hydra are just top names in this game of espionage.

Looking for work? : |

RemTrad
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:44:00 -
[167]
Edited by: RemTrad on 19/06/2011 22:45:58 http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/atix.png
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Icylce
Frost Palace
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:45:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Aramis Rosicrux
THIS!
Meta Gaming. Its NOT for children.
I love the fact that professional sports is full of sell-outs... but this crowd is mad over a virtual game!
Yes it is! But if u make them that obvious u risk of beeing found out and punished
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:45:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Vaarun
I do not think soccer fans would be pleased.
Pretty sure they could do without any problem, unless ofc there's evidence of them getting payed for it.
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Tech two
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:46:00 -
[170]
The final wasn't meta gaming, what on earth?
It was 2 mates having fun after killing everyone else they needed to.
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khac
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:47:00 -
[171]
I understand the fact that they completely ignored the finals afterwards. There was not much to say I guess, since there were no actual fight taking place. It was a disappointing end to an otherwise (mostly) good tourney with a different winner for a change. I only wish they'd at least have put on a decent show, since they in essence had nothing to lose from it. Two identical teams duking it out just to see who would win, or something along those lines. Good job on getting two teams through to the finals, no matter how much I wish it wasn't so.
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:47:00 -
[172]
Edited by: Roosterton on 19/06/2011 22:47:01
Originally by: Vaarun Imagine if at the world cup soccer finals, both teams came on to the field and started playing catch with the ball and occasionally kicked it, then pulled the goalies and starting shooting from mid-field at the goals for laughs.
I do not think soccer fans would be pleased.
This is how EVE players feel now...at least the ones that watched the Tourney. Right now I can hear big allainces brokering to split into smaller alliances just to field ABCDEF and G teams to get them in there and manipulate the points and brackets so that at least one of them gets into the final. Lock it down NOW!Any alliance not made by yesterday cannot compete now...but that doesn't prevent pilots from moving.
As much as people(from big 0.0 alliances, btw)on the commentary team said 'this is the way EVE is', that doesn't mean the Tournament has to be that way. Think of a way to fix it. Perhaps prefit ships, if you win one year you cannot play next year(pilots *OR* corps *OR* Alliance), or make it that wins not points determine who advances, I don't care. The amount of time I cleared to watch the matches now seems utterly wasted if the final was the end result, time I will not waste next year until changes are made.
VERY disappointed.
Good, means less resources allocated to you and a better stream for me.
HYDRA/Outbreak, keep being awesome.
Originally by: Tech two The final wasn't meta gaming, what on earth?
It was 2 mates having fun after killing everyone else they needed to.
Also this. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
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realdognose
Caldari Biotronics Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:47:00 -
[173]
>>>>or make it that wins not points determine who advances,
actually wins decided it.
Points are just taken into account if wins, losses and draws are same for both teams.
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:48:00 -
[174]
Originally by: The Mittani I just want to congratulate Laedey to an amazing end to an amazing tournament! Great work!
(and thank you for this beautiful, beautiful thread full of sorrow~)
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:49:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Vaarun Imagine if at the world cup soccer finals, both teams came on to the field and started playing catch with the ball and occasionally kicked it, then pulled the goalies and starting shooting from mid-field at the goals for laughs.
I do not think soccer fans would be pleased.
This is how EVE players feel now...at least the ones that watched the Tourney. Right now I can hear big allainces brokering to split into smaller alliances just to field ABCDEF and G teams to get them in there and manipulate the points and brackets so that at least one of them gets into the final. Lock it down NOW!Any alliance not made by yesterday cannot compete now...but that doesn't prevent pilots from moving.
As much as people(from big 0.0 alliances, btw)on the commentary team said 'this is the way EVE is', that doesn't mean the Tournament has to be that way. Think of a way to fix it. Perhaps prefit ships, if you win one year you cannot play next year(pilots *OR* corps *OR* Alliance), or make it that wins not points determine who advances, I don't care. The amount of time I cleared to watch the matches now seems utterly wasted if the final was the end result, time I will not waste next year until changes are made.
VERY disappointed.
But it IS the way Eve is, if the whole tournament was nothing but pure all-out brawling then people new to the game would think they could just jump into the game and start blowing stuff up. This match, and the tournament as a whole, showed new players it's not all about shooting the other guy, there's friendships, rivalries, politics and a lot more happening that we can't see that are more likely to be important than 'who has the bigger guns'.
The final match, although slow and boring, does broadcast the signal of "in Eve you don't just shoot people, but you have can have great friends that will work with you and be amazingly generous to each other no matter what the odds."
You can't say the tournament demonstrates the complexity of eve just by having people shoot each other, you have to have the whole sandbox experience in it as much as you can, otherwise it's not an Eve tournament, it's a bunch of spaceships shooting each other.
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:50:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Tech two The final wasn't meta gaming, what on earth?
It was 2 mates having fun after killing everyone else they needed to.
yes, both lost. no winner. tournament lost, too.
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Anaplian Laine
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:50:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Kagumichan I'm gonna think outside the box and disagree with pretty much everyone saying this was bad.
We wanted a proper slugfest for the final match and that's what we got, Outbreak and Hydra went at it guns blazing and Outbreak won in the ....
+1 agreed. It showed just how important alliances and friendship is in this game. They deserved the win.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:51:00 -
[178]
If they're going to fight, then at least put some effort in. Let the match determine the winner, even if they split the prize, which I'm 100% certain they did. CCP's putting up prizes for predicting the winners of these matches, which makes it to easy to just tell all the Hydra guys to get in on the goods, and post for Hydra Reloaded to win. Looks like someone else did, but the potential is there for this kind of thing to extend outside the game.
The final match was so rigged I'd call 1/10 for ultra bad fail trolling. First Hydra Fields 3 Faction BS, no flagship, and a mixed assortment of support, Outbreak fields the Minni selection, and begins to dominate, then throws it in Hydra's favor and they start playing duck, duck, goose around the field while letting the last Vindicator take down the rest of Outbreaks fleet. That's not even counting that they were shooting and RR members of their own and opposing fleets respectively.
It was pathetic. The worst fight in Alliance tournament history by my estimation, and I don't have to have seen most of them to know that.
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:52:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Yeo San
Originally by: Tech two The final wasn't meta gaming, what on earth?
It was 2 mates having fun after killing everyone else they needed to.
yes, both lost. no winner. tournament lost, too.
Baaaaw. No, they both won. What's better than for two alliances who put in a ****ton of effort practicing and working together to have a blast trolling everyone while finishing 1st and 2nd, getting all 100 limited issue ships in collaboration? -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
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Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:54:00 -
[180]
Yes, both teams won. It's EVE that lost.
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Psyentific
Caldari PrecipiceGames
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:54:00 -
[181]
Worst final ever?
HAH!
Best TWO finals ever. Hydra won both of the finals, so they won first and second place. Just ignore the real finals. There ya go. But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity. |

Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:56:00 -
[182]
Edited by: Roosterton on 19/06/2011 22:58:24
Originally by: Fuamnach Yes, both teams won. It's EVE that lost.

Based on how many people are laughing in this thread instead of crying, you're just utterly incorrect. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
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Zukov1
Caldari Evil Objects In Space The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:57:00 -
[183]
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!
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Leetah Stormbringerr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:59:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Fuamnach Yes, both teams won. It's EVE that lost.

Based on how many people who are laughing in this thread instead of crying, you're just utterly incorrect.
Let me lend you my fingers and toes so you can count the ones that said this final was a waste of their time and won't be watching again... I think you'll see they out number the sycophants by quite some amount... 
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Mermalior
Caldari Jugis Modo Utopia Bang Bang You're Dead
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:01:00 -
[185]
Without fair play any tournament is a joke.
There weren't any winner of this event, but I'm sure that CCP lost the match. They can explain to their sponsors, and the new players what is AT about.
o7 ------------------------------- This game is about the people |

Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:01:00 -
[186]
There is nothing CCP can do about such things. It's how Eve is. But just as the highest comodity in Eve is your reputation, this finale and the two corps involved will go down as dishonourable in eve alliance tournament history.
No matter how well they fought during the tournament - they will always be what people bring up as the very low of alliance tournament finals.
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Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:03:00 -
[187]
My hat goes off to you Garmon. You have done that which many men have strived to do...you have trolled the entire game.
o7 Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO THAT I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |

Ivan Jakanov
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:08:00 -
[188]
There should be more rules in place to prevent people from giving away the win, like in dodgeball how there's a time limit when you pick up the ball that you need to throw it in 5 seconds or so. Make it so they must keep fighting if they can, they can't just sell out and give it up half way through by not doing the damage they could be doing. I suppose then the problem would be how could they enforce that rule and make it so that they can really tell who's trying to throw the match and who's just making bad target calling decisions. I was certain that Outbreak had the match in the bag when they still had all their ships intact with HYDRA RELOADED down to just a few ships, but then it seemed like they stopped doing damage and then just let their ships get blown up by one of the vindicators when Outbreak somehow managed to tank all three in the beginning. "It may be staged a little bit" lol bull****, staged a lot maybe. |

Mermalior
Caldari Jugis Modo Utopia Bang Bang You're Dead
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:11:00 -
[189]
Anyway I missed the congaline from the final. I'd pay for it for both teams. About 1500 ISK, because I'm metagamer aswell. |

Jos Wijnants
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:14:00 -
[190]
Why does CCP don,t respond on these kind of post ,but only the ***licking ones |
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Tech two
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:17:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Jos Wijnants Why does CCP don,t respond on these kind of post ,but only the ***licking ones
because its just tears from people who have no idea. |

Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:18:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Jos Wijnants Why does CCP don,t respond on these kind of post ,but only the ***licking ones
Because they don't want to listen to whining little kids crying because they didn't get what they wanted.
You got to watch this stuff FOR FREE, it probably cost CCP a lot of money so you could see this FOR FREE (and you get your expansion packs FOR FREE!), so stop being so selfish, geez! These guys deserve their props, they do more for their community than ANY other games company in the entire world. |

Jos Wijnants
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:26:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Tech two
Originally by: Jos Wijnants Why does CCP don,t respond on these kind of post ,but only the ***licking ones
because its just tears from people who have no idea.
Indeed tears yes you are right sir. BC of the level this tournament is downgraded and therefore CCP is also,with giving us high expectations on this rigged event. Sure there is always a chance some of the tournament battles are rigged but the final match come on. shame for the tournaments i think. but i have no idea right?you have ,sir?
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:35:00 -
[194]
Wonder how CCP is going to get sponsorprices to spread out next year.
It would be nice to hear an official oppinion from CCP.
If they endorse this kind of thing, i think their partners should know about it before they throw laptops and graphicscards at them for free.
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JEK3
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:40:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Roosterton Edited by: Roosterton on 19/06/2011 22:58:24
Originally by: Fuamnach Yes, both teams won. It's EVE that lost.

Based on how many people are laughing in this thread instead of crying, you're just utterly incorrect.
Based on the fact that 1 satisfied customer can just continue to buy, 1 unsatisfied customer can stop buying, you are utterly incorrect.
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Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:41:00 -
[196]
List of Best finals ever:
PL v Hydra
PL V darkside
Darkside V Outbreak
Hydra V Razor
...and they were all this year.
This was easily the best alliance tournament ever, its left its infancy, until this AT PL was the only team playing the tourney professionally. Now there are so many teams that are playing all aspects of the AT to a top-notch level. Hydra doing spectacularly this year.
Now go back to your level 4 missions and remain quietly ignorant of this game.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:44:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Telvani List of Best finals ever:
PL v Hydra
PL V darkside
Darkside V Outbreak
Hydra V Razor
...and they were all this year.
This was easily the best alliance tournament ever, its left its infancy, until this AT PL was the only team playing the tourney professionally. Now there are so many teams that are playing all aspects of the AT to a top-notch level. Hydra doing spectacularly this year.
Now go back to your level 4 missions and remain quietly ignorant of this game.
Nice that someone gets it ;) ----------
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Jos Wijnants
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:46:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Telvani List of Best finals ever:
PL v Hydra
PL V darkside
Darkside V Outbreak
Hydra V Razor
...and they were all this year.
This was easily the best alliance tournament ever, its left its infancy, until this AT PL was the only team playing the tourney professionally. Now there are so many teams that are playing all aspects of the AT to a top-notch level. Hydra doing spectacularly this year.
Now go back to your level 4 missions and remain quietly ignorant of this game.
Sir you are correct,that were fine matches,can,t disagree with that. except for the most important one ,the real final AT match
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Enik3
Crimson Empire. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:47:00 -
[199]
OK, so for people that were not watching -- what happened that has everyone so ticked off?
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:47:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Telvani List of Best finals ever:
PL v Hydra
PL V darkside
Darkside V Outbreak
Hydra V Razor
...and they were all this year.
This was easily the best alliance tournament ever, its left its infancy, until this AT PL was the only team playing the tourney professionally. Now there are so many teams that are playing all aspects of the AT to a top-notch level. Hydra doing spectacularly this year.
Now go back to your level 4 missions and remain quietly ignorant of this game.
Nice that someone gets it ;)
I'm not aware if you have read this, but your own Amber Saint just apologized for making CCP look like idiots, for ****ting all over the concept of the tournament.
You should talk to that guy... here is his post, read it and be ashamed. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1531508
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Deja Thoris
Invicta. Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:49:00 -
[201]
CCP should troll the finalists like the viewers got trolled and leave it in the hands of the community as to what prize they get :D
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JEK3
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:50:00 -
[202]
Edited by: JEK3 on 19/06/2011 23:51:05
Originally by: Fireglade Wonder how CCP is going to get sponsorprices to spread out next year.
It would be nice to hear an official oppinion from CCP.
If they endorse this kind of thing, i think their partners should know about it before they throw laptops and graphicscards at them for free.[/quote
Well, I don't think CCP will endorse that, but my take is that next year it will be though to get such cool sponsors... and free laptops.. Thank you Hydra!!
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Xyolon
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:57:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Telvani List of Best finals ever:
PL v Hydra
PL V darkside
Darkside V Outbreak
Hydra V Razor
...and they were all this year.
This was easily the best alliance tournament ever, its left its infancy, until this AT PL was the only team playing the tourney professionally. Now there are so many teams that are playing all aspects of the AT to a top-notch level. Hydra doing spectacularly this year.
Now go back to your level 4 missions and remain quietly ignorant of this game.
Nice that someone gets it ;)
Get what? I didn't watch the final but if it was really set up (and according to your comment it was) then people comparing the tournament to the world cup finals are correct: although the games leading up to the final are interesting it is the final game that really counts. Which you sold according to comments. This pretty much kills the meaning of having a tournament so I pretty much understand people saying they won't watch the next tournament. I won't either. You make a clear tournament: I might watch it, hell I might even apply to it. You sell the tournament: you corrupted people can make a private party of yours and give out prizes or whatever you want, we couldn't care less.
Oh, and CSMs. They are the real disappointments of this discussion. |

Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:00:00 -
[204]
After reading numerous replies that this is how Eve really is - especially from the ~hard core~ PVP members, I have to disagree...
Outbreak should have destroyed Hydra and then announced how their deal with Hydra is now null and void. Hydra is NOT getting a slice of the winnings of first place, and "Oh yea - thanks for all the help along the way suckers!"
That is Eve - backstabbing, manipulation, and outright thievery.
But that ending, and the various supportive replies just tells an outsider that the cold, harsh gaming universe is more "Hello Kitty" than ever.
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Swynet
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:11:00 -
[205]
Why the hek people discuss politics they don't have a clue?
Ok, every one with two eyes opened not being blind, with half of it's brains active and even drunk saw all the meta game and arrangements here and there witch all agree, wasted a lot of stuff about the tournament or frustrated some of us waiting great fights.
Now you can't blah blah about CCP for giving their personal time to offer all of us this direct show, investing $$ and also to the official commentators ( ) trying to share with all people playing/watching the game this passion we should share.
I had lots of fun watching those matches, hearing the comments and jokes between the power blocks leaders and CCP, hearing and learning stuff about eve/dust directly from CCP dev's and so should you. -internets for U at CCP eh  Yeah the end was frustrating, I was expecting a hell of a futk!ng match that didn't happened, but it's ok, I still had lots of fun.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:20:00 -
[206]
Edited by: Fireglade on 20/06/2011 00:22:15 Edited by: Fireglade on 20/06/2011 00:21:04
Originally by: Swynet Why the hek people discuss politics they don't have a clue?
Ok, every one with two eyes opened not being blind, with half of it's brains active and even drunk saw all the meta game and arrangements here and there witch all agree, wasted a lot of stuff about the tournament or frustrated some of us waiting great fights.
Now you can't blah blah about CCP for giving their personal time to offer all of us this direct show, investing $$ and also to the official commentators ( ) trying to share with all people playing/watching the game this passion we should share.
I had lots of fun watching those matches, hearing the comments and jokes between the power blocks leaders and CCP, hearing and learning stuff about eve/dust directly from CCP dev's and so should you. -internets for U at CCP eh  Yeah the end was frustrating, I was expecting a hell of a futk!ng match that didn't happened, but it's ok, I still had lots of fun.
Yep, but next year, im not gonna bother, cause this is only fun because of the setting its in. Its a sports event, a tournament. Who wins, how do they win, were they good, were they lucky, why did 1 setup beat the other setup etc. etc.
Now i know that a lot of the games are rigged by metagaming, this is not pitching 2 teams in an arena and only 1 comes out anymore. It just got extremely boring. As a viewer i don't get to see how the metagaming was performed, how long, how hard, how many, etc. etc. so i don't get any entertainment from it, and therefore i don't give a rats ass.
What i do care about is what is presented before me, which is the fight, i can follow it, i can see it from start to finish, i can discuss it with others on equal terms as i saw the same thing they did, etc. etc.
As it is now, it really doesn't matter to talk about who was the better team, cause how many of these matches was rigged ?
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:31:00 -
[207]
Notice how everyone's *****ing about how Hydra and Outbreak did what they did and totally ignoring the fact that PL themselves openly admitted to attempting to metagame the whole thing themselves and no one is throwing hate at them? If you're gonna win tournaments, you need every weapon at your disposal. Then there's Wi., they were 'technically' a second Goonswarm Fed team at the end but no, that's ok, Goon can have two teams in the tourny (technically) because they lost and that makes it fair.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:32:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Fireglade You should talk to that guy... here is his post, read it and be ashamed. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1531508
That guy has it right (if he wasn't trolling.) It was a douchey thing to do. Just field identical setups and may the best pilots win.
Just because you earned the right to be lame doesn't mean you had to exercise that right.
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Cirroco Jones
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:09:00 -
[209]
No respect for skill, game or public. Call it metagaming all you like, it's still cheating. Shame on cheaters, shame on all who support that (especially csm), shame on ccp for allowing this on their official tournament. |

Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:10:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Leetah Stormbringerr
Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Fuamnach Yes, both teams won. It's EVE that lost.

Based on how many people who are laughing in this thread instead of crying, you're just utterly incorrect.
Let me lend you my fingers and toes so you can count the ones that said this final was a waste of their time and won't be watching again... I think you'll see they out number the sycophants by quite some amount... 
I could count every single post in this thread, OR I could just laugh, as you clearly do not "get" eve. I think I'll do the latter. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:12:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Cirroco Jones No respect for skill, game or public. Call it metagaming all you like, it's still cheating. Shame on cheaters, shame on all who support that (especially csm), shame on ccp for allowing this on their official tournament.
Remind me which rule they broke again? 
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Vaarun
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:35:00 -
[212]
Edited by: Vaarun on 20/06/2011 01:35:17
Originally by: Greniard
Originally by: Cirroco Jones No respect for skill, game or public. Call it metagaming all you like, it's still cheating. Shame on cheaters, shame on all who support that (especially csm), shame on ccp for allowing this on their official tournament.
Remind me which rule they broke again? 
No rule, technically, but the spirit of competition was broken. The spirit of "winning" was totally fulfilled, so I guess it's an ethical question of one's character where they fall into this. I heard a lot of claims that alliances were refusing inside info. They wanted to win on their merits. And where were they during the final match? Watching. I don't think that's right.
Yes, yes up to the final it was mostly a competition, but there should be a rule change so it's not so obvious and not so easy to be lame.
Bah. What do I care. I'm not watching anymore. Enjoy the "EVE is EVE" Tourney next year... "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
-Vaarun |

Tyrehl
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:41:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Vaarun Edited by: Vaarun on 20/06/2011 01:35:17
Originally by: Greniard
Originally by: Cirroco Jones No respect for skill, game or public. Call it metagaming all you like, it's still cheating. Shame on cheaters, shame on all who support that (especially csm), shame on ccp for allowing this on their official tournament.
Remind me which rule they broke again? 
No rule, technically, but the spirit of competition was broken. The spirit of "winning" was totally fulfilled, so I guess it's an ethical question of one's character where they fall into this. I heard a lot of claims that alliances were refusing inside info. They wanted to win on their merits. And where were they during the final match? Watching. I don't think that's right.
Yes, yes up to the final it was mostly a competition, but there should be a rule change so it's not so obvious and not so easy to be lame.
Bah. What do I care. I'm not watching anymore. Enjoy the "EVE is EVE" Tourney next year...
Wait a minute, do you have a fuking idea what you are talking about?
They (HYDRA and Outbreak) were the best performing alliances in this Alliance Tournament. They reached the finals. What are you complaining about? How were they supposed to do the final? Maybe they could've done it better, like not that obvious. Then what? What would be different, the outcome?
If you can not accept what happened (2 brosef alliances, which worked together the whole time winning the AT) then .. i dont know what to say.
Im asking again, what should've been different? Exclude one of the 2 alliances because there are people that know each other? Or maybe run a new AT without them .. rofl. pew-pew |

Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:44:00 -
[214]
I'm so glad we broke our previous record of pubbie tears from the previous tournament from when we self destructed to give Agony the win. ---
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Riveting Tale Sibling
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:45:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Suitonia I'm so glad we broke our previous record of pubbie tears from the previous tournament from when we self destructed to give Agony the win.
And I'm so glad that you WON the tournament, and still will not be respected as much as Darkside. and Pandemic Legion will be for their fight. 
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Siddi Stress
Minmatar Dark Space Frontier True Reign
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:14:00 -
[216]
I'm ****ED the way this turned out. "Shout out to girls that play EVE" That is bull****, us girls can **** your faces WITHOUT having the whole damn thing staged....
TOTAL LETDOWN. I'm still mad 4 hours later..............
Waste of 2 weeks of my life, not so much. But what a let down after all that build up and WAITING..
Yeah ok fine these guys put in the time to get to the finals in the first place. YAY. Not the point. So what, who cares if your name is tarnished by getting beat by some new guys, ITS YOUR GUYS. You should have given us a fight at the very least. THAT WAS TOTAL BS.
The alliance tournament is the only sport I watch, and it's only around once a year! I was so excited that for once PL wasnt going to have a chance to win YET AGAIN, but at least PL wins FAIRLY and doesnt THROW THE MATCH. Get in there and give it your best, sort out the 'winnings' later. ONE OF THE TOP TEN RULES OF A FLEET ENGAGEMENT!!! YOU SHOULD KNOW THEM BY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! RABBLERABBLERABBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |

Sarah Moonshine
doMAL S.A.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:18:00 -
[217]
This final was amusing in its own way. Props for hydra and outbreak for setting it all up, from the training in wh space, to the match results leading to the desired final match AND the match results. A brawl would've been entertaining, alright, but the result was funny and entertaining nonetheless. I certainly hope it doesn't become a trend though - for after novelty is gone, it'll no longer be anywhere near as amusing. --
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Mintchip
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:59:00 -
[218]
The final was pretty boring :( I wish there had been more of a battle.
Grats on your isk.
xoxo Mintchip
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Domania
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:20:00 -
[219]
Yes congratulations Hydra on the great and hard earned victory. Your meta gaming skills were above the average. Enjoy the 2 trillion isk worth of injected AT ships.
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Ultan Rova
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:29:00 -
[220]
AT9 was fun right until the final match, then it took a swan-dive into the toilet. Never mind the utter douchebaggery on display by both teams; but if you're going to rig a match, at least make it interesting. The ultimate match, the match that was supposed to be the capstone for the entire year, was just lame, and boring, and dumb, and insulting.
The whole point of the Alliance Tournament (I thought) was to highlight small-gang warfare in Eve, but impose rules to make the tourney more "fair": i.e., explicitly to remove the "anything goes" mindset of the sandbox game and make the PvP more sportsmanlike. I fail to see how the "metagaming" aspect is anything other than blatant cheating -- or call it an "exploit" if you want, since it was mainly exploiting a loophole in the rules rather than an outright violation of the rules.
I don't know. If the outcome of the match was never in doubt, why in the hell even do it in the first place? Why not just run out a bunch of noob ships or industrials and give the rubes a show?
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designed2die
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:56:00 -
[221]
funny how games work: one philosophy is to set the bar as high as possible and test honor and stuff like that. The other game is no-game, just take control in whatever corrupt way possible because that is easier and faster than training for the honor thing...
Someone said today was like making the superbowl and then doing a giant FU, throw the game and grief the fans.
Can't argue right or wrong, but I feel ripped off. Sorry so many in EVE just don't get it and are too lazy to find out what they are missing.
We've been given this universe to build the way we want; maybe better than RL? That would be a nice change of pace. But I guess not.
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Azishkra'elhykai Mizamel
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:33:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Siddi Stress I'm ****ED the way this turned out. "Shout out to girls that play EVE" That is bull****, us girls can **** your faces WITHOUT having the whole damn thing staged....
TOTAL LETDOWN. I'm still mad 4 hours later..............
Waste of 2 weeks of my life, not so much. But what a let down after all that build up and WAITING..
Yeah ok fine these guys put in the time to get to the finals in the first place. YAY. Not the point. So what, who cares if your name is tarnished by getting beat by some new guys, ITS YOUR GUYS. You should have given us a fight at the very least. THAT WAS TOTAL BS.
The alliance tournament is the only sport I watch, and it's only around once a year! I was so excited that for once PL wasnt going to have a chance to win YET AGAIN, but at least PL wins FAIRLY and doesnt THROW THE MATCH. Get in there and give it your best, sort out the 'winnings' later. ONE OF THE TOP TEN RULES OF A FLEET ENGAGEMENT!!! YOU SHOULD KNOW THEM BY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! RABBLERABBLERABBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gonna bite on this one. Laedy is by far the bestest female pvper ever. Her vindicator doesn't afraid of anything.
Love how nobody really seriously listened to the commentators during these finals. Kil2 was dropping hints left right and centre about Outbreak being Hydra's B-team (In fact, I believe he outright stated at least once almost every day when the matches were being held).
I will definitely waste my time watching the grand final on Youtube (since I accidentally passed out 2 hours beforehand from exhaustion), and savouring their victory.
HYDRDRA REPLOADED 4EVR.
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Geralden
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:41:00 -
[223]
I was called to work yesterday, i left disgruntled because i wanted to see the finals...
Now, im just happy i didnt.
If this is an "ok" turnout by CCP, just can the tournament in the future.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:51:00 -
[224]
Worst ending - no style, no pinache, just trolling idiotic children.
CCP should deny them the prizes. ____________________________________________________
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:56:00 -
[225]
Ya CCP, screw this man, this is mainly on your hands now if you do not punish people for throwing a fight, just like in boxing, its illegal.
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Tyrehl
Amarr Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:56:00 -
[226]
Your tears, they fuel my spaceship pwnmobile.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:57:00 -
[227]
Originally by: CoKaine Addict Both outbreak and hydra should be banned from next tournament
QFT ____________________________________________________
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:01:00 -
[228]
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 20/06/2011 06:01:22
Originally by: Tyrehl Your tears, they fuel my spaceship pwnmobile.

No QQ.
Just lameness.
To get tears from someone you gotta actually have some skill - just a few children thinking they're something special.
They're not special - they lost any respect they had. It's obvious - Hydra and Outbreak lost.
Either CCP Responds or CCP loses its respect from the community too for the Alliance Tourney. ____________________________________________________
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:09:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Greniard
Originally by: Cirroco Jones No respect for skill, game or public. Call it metagaming all you like, it's still cheating. Shame on cheaters, shame on all who support that (especially csm), shame on ccp for allowing this on their official tournament.
Remind me which rule they broke again? 
Lol they broke the rule of sportsmanship, and when it comes to it, sure you guys dont give a crap, but next year is going to be different, and I would be surprised if EVETV gets half the viewers they did this year. Think CCP will give big prizes next year with this? lol
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The Yzzerman
Chaotic Marines Bang Bang You're Dead
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:15:00 -
[230]
Metagaming at it best
I salute and dring for Hydra and outbreak today 
Well done!!!!!
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Tasha Ares
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:17:00 -
[231]
Total disappointment of a tourney. Perhaps CCP can tell us again what exactly the point is of the tournament? Or is it just for giving hundreds of billions of isk in prizes to the richest alliances and metagamers of EvE?
I'm done watching the farce as well, even with the new rules/ship setups it was boring, almost as much as the thrown fights. |

carebear starer
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:28:00 -
[232]
so much dumb itt.
the tourney was over after the sem-finals. the SEMI-FINALS WERE THE FINALS. Hydra (including Outbreak) did something amazing - they managed to get first and second. that is awesome.
if you didn't realize the semi-finals were the real finals and the final was meaningless, well then you probably feel "cheated." you weren't cheated, however, you just weren't paying attention and missed one of the coolest things to ever go down in AT history.
next time, maybe, you will pay closer attention.
and to those who are bitter that one alliance managed to take first and second, next time, maybe you'll try harder!
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Daniel Rotius
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:34:00 -
[233]
Perhaps they should broadcast the earlier matches and leave the finals for eve radio or something, that way the "meta-gamers" can have their fun and we don't have to watch rigged matches.
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:39:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Daniel Rotius Perhaps they should broadcast the earlier matches and leave the finals for eve radio or something, that way the "meta-gamers" can have their fun and we don't have to watch rigged matches.
You didn't have to watch them if you didn't want to, it's not like you were paying for the pleasure of seeing them anyways.
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Ceyres
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:40:00 -
[235]
Edited by: Ceyres on 20/06/2011 07:40:38 Lets see, if there will be a post or any kind of reaction from CCPs side. Maybe they will adjust the rules for next years tournament.
(edit for typos)
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Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:44:00 -
[236]
Originally by: The Yzzerman Metagaming at it best
I salute and dring for Hydra and outbreak today 
Well done!!!!!
T
This.
Hydra and Outbreak ARE the best team.
The 'outrage' in this thread is hilarious.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:45:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Ceyres Edited by: Ceyres on 20/06/2011 07:40:38 Lets see, if there will be a post or any kind of reaction from CCPs side. Maybe they will adjust the rules for next years tournament.
(edit for typos)
It was two god damn lines, how did you have typos?
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Alty McPlanet
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Posted - 2011.06.20 08:10:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Bloodpetal Edited by: Bloodpetal on 20/06/2011 06:01:22
Originally by: Tyrehl Your tears, they fuel my spaceship pwnmobile.

No QQ.
Just lameness.
To get tears from someone you gotta actually have some skill - just a few children thinking they're something special.
They're not special - they lost any respect they had. It's obvious - Hydra and Outbreak lost.
Either CCP Responds or CCP loses its respect from the community too for the Alliance Tourney.
That sounds a lot like tears, bro
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 08:51:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Precisionist
Originally by: Greniard
Originally by: Cirroco Jones No respect for skill, game or public. Call it metagaming all you like, it's still cheating. Shame on cheaters, shame on all who support that (especially csm), shame on ccp for allowing this on their official tournament.
Remind me which rule they broke again? 
Lol they told us about fixing the match. If they hadn't I'd be completely oblivious to it happening and everything would be fine. But now that even I realised what was happening I'm sad.
FYP
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General Foom
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.20 08:56:00 -
[240]
It really feels like this may bring about an end to the alliance tournament for good
the lack of any want to stream/show the preliminary matchs the massive Hours a few dedicated CCP employee's must put in to get this to happen... in the face of seemingly little to no investment by CCP corporate into this "important community event" the corpse like state of giant nerds who host the AT. the horrible meta gaming destroying most of the viewer enjoyment of the tourney and overwhelming negative public sentiment of the whole affair
yeah i predict AT x rip
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Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:01:00 -
[241]
Edited by: Mithfindel on 20/06/2011 09:02:47 Compared to ASCN vs. BOB final, that was a good match. Though that tells more about how boring was it to watch two teams to stand off for 15 minutes or so. (That tournament was resolved with an interceptor duel.)
Personally, would've gone in in T1 cruisers (or something rarely seen such as all Moa or Thorax hulls) or something and had a brawl. Perhaps Hydrabreak tried to make a show, but making shows is difficult. |

Anthony Dallas
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:08:00 -
[242]
Finals like this just show low-level of everything that CCP does. As already said these teams should be banned. That game was just like lying on the grass on the final match of football world championship.
People trust in you. People bet on you. And you just f*ck up as always. That`s not how business works.
You`ve (CCP) also ruined my plans about working with you on a new projects. GL, hope you`ll do something to fix that situation. 0/
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:10:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Anthony Dallas Finals like this just show low-level of everything that CCP does. As already said these teams should be banned. That game was just like lying on the grass on the final match of football world championship.
People trust in you. People bet on you. And you just f*ck up as always. That`s not how business works.
You`ve (CCP) also ruined my plans about working with you on a new projects. GL, hope you`ll do something to fix that situation. 0/
So basically you want them banned for not lying to you in the final? Makes sense. |

Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:23:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Kagumichan
Originally by: Daniel Rotius Perhaps they should broadcast the earlier matches and leave the finals for eve radio or something, that way the "meta-gamers" can have their fun and we don't have to watch rigged matches.
You didn't have to watch them if you didn't want to, it's not like you were paying for the pleasure of seeing them anyways.
Granted I did not pay specifically to see those matches. But if I go to see a match that is rigged from the start, even a free one (and I don't know it in advance) I would feel like I wasted time and effort (not to mention bandwith) watching it.
It's not a big deal, but nobody likes to watch a throwed fight cause its not interesting to watch. ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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designed2die
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:43:00 -
[245]
"and to those who are bitter that one alliance managed to take first and second, next time, maybe you'll try harder!"
I'm still amazed to see that the tear-lickers have no clue. No one is bitter. There are two views of what it means to be human colliding here. There are two views of conduct colliding here. Causing "bitterness" is just a figment of your paranoid world outlook.
Us adults are just feeling sorry that taking the low road of deception is denying all tournament players and fans the experience and feelings that are the reward of an honorable pilot; and above average intelligent people who even understand what honor is and why it is important to being a man or woman in everything we do...even games.
Anyone can be a low-life liar and manipulator. You think that is talent? I guess it is giggles for the incompetent and immature. But if you think you are really griefing, you are delusional. We are just turned off for a minute, hardly a blip on the screen. You worked so hard to pull this off. You should still feel some embarassemt. I'm not bitter, I'm embarrassed for EVE. Our community is a tad disfunctional but do we have to televise that part?
Rock on. Thank God we are starting Incarna tomorrow, and CCP put some stuff on sale, guess I'll go shopping. 
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:51:00 -
[246]
Agree, was rubbish. Outbreak should have finished it off.
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JEK3
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:14:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Jenshae Chiroptera Agree, was rubbish. Outbreak should have finished it off.
Yup, they ended like pussies... "let's let our buddies win" .. . what for an hello kitty final.
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Dust Fourtwenty
Dust 515
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:38:00 -
[248]
Edited by: Dust Fourtwenty on 20/06/2011 15:38:03
Originally by: Mithfindel Edited by: Mithfindel on 20/06/2011 09:02:47 Compared to ASCN vs. BOB final, that was a good match.
this reminds me that the champion BOB had THE FIVE literally as their team of alts in AT2 and AT3 and nobody rally cared, yet now a close-knit group splits into two (instead of this being just alts) and suddenly tears. |

Lou Ping
H A V O C Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:47:00 -
[249]
Bring back BoB. The fact that most of EvE hated them made the final interesting.
Oh ya and they were really good....
(Troll and flame away... you know you want to )
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:49:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Lou Ping Bring back BoB. The fact that most of EvE hated them made the final interesting.
Oh ya and they were really good....
(Troll and flame away... you know you want to )
Most of Eve hates Hydra now because they did what BoB did.... HYDRA IS REALLY BoB??!!! 
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Feroz
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:52:00 -
[251]
erm....someone want to summarise what all the drama is about??
I didn't see the final and just logged in to see this dramalama 
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Lou Ping
H A V O C Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:58:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Feroz erm....someone want to summarise what all the drama is about??
I didn't see the final and just logged in to see this dramalama 
long story short. 1. Hydra and Outbreak make final 2. Hydra and Outbreak are very good friends. Outbreak are considered Hydra B team. 3. Final starts and Outbreak start kicking Hydras ass in the first 3 mins and are considered sure winners. 4. Outbreak stop kicking Hydras ass and let them win. 5. Some consider this a victory for meta gamming, others think this is Bullsh*t.
Discuss
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:58:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Feroz erm....someone want to summarise what all the drama is about??
I didn't see the final and just logged in to see this dramalama 
Hydra and Outbreak were working together to get to the end of the tournament and win. They orchestrated spying, back-hand deals, sneaky ear-whispering and twisted some matches until they hit the final, then they tried to give everyone an epic fight and kinda screwed it up a bit and made it really boring to watch, and everyone's crying about it. That's basically the whole thing really 
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Mr Vrix
Caldari Vrix Nation
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:00:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Feroz erm....someone want to summarise what all the drama is about??
I didn't see the final and just logged in to see this dramalama 
yust a boring unoriginal rigged final,
good for them to get there 2 teams in the final but omg give atleast a show in a final not some lameass slow rigged game, next time go with haulerfleets ;o better then this fail final or yust tell ya not gooing todo crap so ppl dont waste there time with the final
most ppl proberly dont care they have 2 teams, alot do, alliances are cheap to make and everyone can do that
so yeah gratz with the win but tobad about the lame final . ______________________________________________
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Sanny San
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:08:00 -
[255]
Just disqualify those teams.
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Feroz
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:19:00 -
[256]
Edited by: Feroz on 20/06/2011 16:19:27 Just watched the final on youtube........absolutely shocking. What a farce 
I mean....congrats for getting two teams to the final, but don't waste our time with that poorly staged piece of crap
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Woodman2
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:21:00 -
[257]
Some of you need to look up the definition of "metagaming".
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:23:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Woodman2 Some of you need to look up the definition of "metagaming".
i think they misread it as betagaming...
Hardcore demo testers!!!
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Kayleigh Lothian
Minmatar Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:02:00 -
[259]
Edited by: Kayleigh Lothian on 20/06/2011 17:03:18
Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte
Originally by: The Mittani I just want to congratulate Laedey to an amazing end to an amazing tournament! Great work!
(and thank you for this beautiful, beautiful thread full of sorrow~)
your joking right? CSM? yeah right
Someone is mad because he got out metaed?
Tbh, in which tourney was the final ever a good match? Those saying this was the worst AT ever must not have seen any of the other ATs. True, my first AT viewed was AT 2, so I have not seen all of them, but I think this was the best one yet. Perhaps the IMPOC-kill makes that AT uniq but when it comes to matches this one was best. Also when it comes to the coverage, the lack of real fxxk ups and all the stuff around it. Not one single canceled match because someone ragequited, not so much goon math (108 points, right) at least not if someone gives AAA a calculator ;)
To all that wants alliances banned and/or disbanded: You can make sure this does not happen again, start to get a team together and stop the nasty metagamers from reaching the final next time! It's not hard, or at least you seem to think it's not.
All the parallells to Fotball/Soccer and such: Where are your Sun Tzu quotes? One guy saying it would be like if the players all were lying down in the grass. Well tbh they do that a lot! They throw themselves on the grass seamingly in agony and when they do not get a free kick they get up real quick and are fully functional again. Getting a ball on your foot and grabbing your face in pain to get someone sent off, that's no meta gaming?
The differences is that in footy, metagaming is not legal, here it is. Try to come up with better analogies please, put some effort in it please.
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Junzar Hoth
Minmatar Hootie Owl Round-Tip Scissors Club
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:15:00 -
[260]
We had some really great matches in the finals, just a shame the grand finale was a soft, smelly stool.
Never mindà one less thing to waste your time on next year. I think the You Tube suggestion is the way to go with this one. Eve is still the same game, just without a credible AT. No big deal
Respect to the presenters and commentators. Not something I could do and you guys did a real professional job.
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Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:27:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Telvani List of Best finals ever:
PL v Hydra
PL V darkside
Darkside V Outbreak
Hydra V Razor
...and they were all this year.
This was easily the best alliance tournament ever, its left its infancy, until this AT PL was the only team playing the tourney professionally. Now there are so many teams that are playing all aspects of the AT to a top-notch level. Hydra doing spectacularly this year.
Now go back to your level 4 missions and remain quietly ignorant of this game.
Do you mean from all the alliance tournaments? Because if you do , man you are so wrong .
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Flexington Steele
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:36:00 -
[262]
The finals were awesome for the same reason the duel between Darth Vader and Obi Wan Kenobi in Episode IV was more awesome than that ridiculous duel at the end of Episode III.
If you want just another empty, meaningless, battle, there's plenty of those throughout the tournament, go watch them.
If you're complaining that the finals was 'boring', see the first paragraph above. Context and meaning defines the EVE sandbox.
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:39:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Flexington Steele The finals were awesome for the same reason the duel between Darth Vader and Obi Wan Kenobi in Episode IV was more awesome than that ridiculous duel at the end of Episode III.
If you want just another empty, meaningless, battle, there's plenty of those throughout the tournament, go watch them.
If you're complaining that the finals was 'boring', see the first paragraph above. Context and meaning defines the EVE sandbox.
Strike my corp-mates down and my Vindi will become more powerfull than you can possibly imagine.
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Bong Ki
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Posted - 2011.06.21 19:31:00 -
[264]
Silly monkeys. Go somewhere else to cry. Yes this tournament was rigged. As was every single one before it. Yes the latest nerfs were designed to preserve power in the hands that already have it and to diminish those who do not. As was every single one before it. If you don't like getting bent over and made to squeal, then quit. You really have not other choice. It's easy, I promise you. If on the other hand, you do like it, then stick around! There's a hell of a lot more where that came from!
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