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Josie Grosie	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:42:00 - [91] I was actually looking forward to Incarna and what walking in stations would add to the game. I just don't think now is the time for it to be implemented. Surely the flying in space part should be fixed before the walking in stations part is introduced. Surely the major imbalances like super caps should be fixed first. What about faction warfare, hybrids, sovereignty, obselete ship classes, moon goo,etc etc. Countless times watching the alliance tournament I heard devs say we know about this and this problem. Well how about you fix that instead of implementing a new feature with all the initial startup problems it is going to have. Oh and whining does have its benefits, lets not forget that its thanks to people whining on outside websites that we have team bff.
Zora'e Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:43:00 - [92] Originally by: Aderata Nonkin Originally by: Zora'e even if it was small, and pathetic.. much like your manhood. Considering I'm a woman your pathetic attempt at taking a potshot fail miserably. Nice try though. In any case, well done for dodging my first paragraph. Goes to show that when all your hyperbole and exaggeration arguments wear out the only thing you can do is change the subject and become a douche. So the one being a troll in this case is you. Not very surprising. LOL again, nice try (if you ARE in fact a women and not a guy pretending to be a RL female player, congratulations for playing EVE, not many women do.). However let me point a few things out that you failed to consider. I've been on SISI and experienced CQ. My opinion and statement is based on experiencing CQ first hand, at present it is an utter failure due to the WAY ccp is implementing it. I am actually FOR Incarna, as I see the potential it has. However in it's current form, I personally predict the backlash from it will be the largest EVE has ever seen before for any expansion. CCP Implemented a 'feature' that realistically, adds virtually nothing to current game mechanics within the stations themselves (yes I know it is still young, and is groundwork for the future). However at present, about all Incarna really adds is 3 times the hardware requirements than pre-Incarna. CCP has consistently refused to even ACKNOWLEDGE player suggestions and concerns over the way they are implementing CQ, which is in DIRECT contradiction to what CCP themselves promised for how WIS would be implemented and ran (i.e. Optional decants rather than mandatory decants). If you are unable to see how this is a problem then honestly... I pity you. You also conveniently neglected to finish reading my original statement, which was I won't be paying for EVE out of my own personal wallet. Not that I was quitting eve. Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. However, should CCP not follow through with their STATED promise that WiS would be 100% optional, and choose to make it mandatory across the board, I will most likely quit playing eve and move on to something else... if I can find anything else that actually holds my interest for more than two weeks anyway. Unlike you, who has resorted to LIEING about their accomplishments (i.e. your statement that your corp blew me up, and salvaged my wrecks etc), I back my statements up with actual experience, and fact based on that experience. Something you seem unable to do. Have a nice day. Cupcake. -
Isha Steel	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:44:00 - [93] Originally by: Josie Grosie I was actually looking forward to Incarna and what walking in stations would add to the game. I just don't think now is the time for it to be implemented. Surely the flying in space part should be fixed before the walking in stations part is introduced. If they did that we'd all die of old age before Incarna came out!
Rek Seven Gallente Zandathorn Industries	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:48:00 - [94] Originally by: CCP Guard In relation to the thread subject; What is the number of "anti Incarna players"? We don't know because it's hard to measure obviously. For many reasons. For example; how many just don't like changes of this magnitude to a world they are pretty content with already? And how many actually oppose 3D character environments for EVE? How many feel Incarna is fine but that we should do other stuff first? How many don't opppose the direction, but simply disagree with some of the design angles? There are many different opinions out there. Not just "for" and "against". One thing is for sure, we will get a change to learn more about what you guys think after everyone has tried Incarna out and we've worked through any initial wrinkles (as if those ever happen...). We realize we're making various significant changes to a world that you are a part of and we have complete and utter respect for the fact that Incarna is not without skeptics. But we also have great faith in Incarna and feel it's a necessary step on our journey. And we're also pretty confident that the general consensus will line up, or we wouldn't be doing this. At this point...all any of us can do is hang tight and see how it goes :). I know you'll keep us posted on what you think, and we'll do our best to react to your feedback. Group hug! I started playing EVE because of incarna i'd im looking forward to seeing the fully implemented feature in the future. However, i'm getting tired off all these updates that reduce my game time and cause frustration when i have to download an update that seems to have done nothing but introduce a load of bugs. I love the idea of EVE contently growing and evolving but how come you guys are so caught up with introducing new things instead of fixing the old? Nobody wants you to reinvent the wheel but there are so many features in this game that need polishing, it makes the game feel broken at times.
Ultim8Evil Ministry Of Eternal Disorder	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:51:00 - [95] Originally by: Rek Seven I started playing EVE because of incarna There's your problem --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kile Kitmoore	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:51:00 - [96] Originally by: CCP Guard In relation to the thread subject; What is the number of "anti Incarna players"? We don't know because it's hard to measure obviously. For many reasons. For example; how many just don't like changes of this magnitude to a world they are pretty content with already? And how many actually oppose 3D character environments for EVE? How many feel Incarna is fine but that we should do other stuff first? How many don't opppose the direction, but simply disagree with some of the design angles? There are many different opinions out there. Not just "for" and "against". One thing is for sure, we will get a change to learn more about what you guys think after everyone has tried Incarna out and we've worked through any initial wrinkles (as if those ever happen...). We realize we're making various significant changes to a world that you are a part of and we have complete and utter respect for the fact that Incarna is not without skeptics. But we also have great faith in Incarna and feel it's a necessary step on our journey. And we're also pretty confident that the general consensus will line up, or we wouldn't be doing this. At this point...all any of us can do is hang tight and see how it goes :). I know you'll keep us posted on what you think, and we'll do our best to react to your feedback. Group hug! Consider me hanging. CCP has a long road ahead to get us to that "WIS" original vision. I am in the glad Incarna is finally taking form but not pleased about losing my hanger viewer group. Also in the not pleased your RMT store is being spun like some headlining feature of Incarna group. Add it if you must but talking about it like it's some feature we have all been clamoring for is ridiculous. Watching AT9 and all the constant talk about the store got a bit irritating. I just hope you guys are watching the incoming and outgoing subs closely. I would especially watch multi-account players, this expansion could see a reduction because of demands on hardware . It will be interesting.
Jaak 242	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:51:00 - [97] Originally by: Rui Morin Originally by: Jaak 242 Originally by: Rui Morin Oh good, yet another thread for the same old *****ing. Can't you just post in one of the eleventy-hundred other threads about this? Another poster child for the combination of genetic drift and moral decay heard from. Thanks for your input. I assure you that I will give it the consideration it deserves. Your reply says nothing and you are still not explaining why yet another "Incarna sucks" thread needs to be created? Question (definition) 1. a. An expression of inquiry that invites or calls for a reply. b. An interrogative sentence, phrase, or gesture. I'd like to add an expression of interest in an issue. Does that help you? No? TFB. I also don't remember saying anything about Incarna sucking, and, when I checked my post, I find I was correct.
Sellendis Caldari The Ares project	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:52:00 - [98] Originally by: Isha Steel Originally by: Josie Grosie I was actually looking forward to Incarna and what walking in stations would add to the game. I just don't think now is the time for it to be implemented. Surely the flying in space part should be fixed before the walking in stations part is introduced. If they did that we'd all die of old age before Incarna came out! How about fixing current problems first, not adding new ones? Currently CQ is a car with only 1 wheel on, and dragster fuel consumption. People are not against incarna, they are against mostly useless CQ. Those of us that tested it didn't find CQ worth our CPU/GPU cycles.
Josie Grosie	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:56:00 - [99] Originally by: Isha Steel Originally by: Josie Grosie I was actually looking forward to Incarna and what walking in stations would add to the game. I just don't think now is the time for it to be implemented. Surely the flying in space part should be fixed before the walking in stations part is introduced. If they did that we'd all die of old age before Incarna came out! Death due to old age seems a whole lot closer than a balanced game at this point
AFKCloaked AltSpy	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:57:00 - [100] Originally by: Jaak 242 It doesn't seem so to me. Was I mistaken in thinking that MMORPG developers were interested in keeping the existing players happy? I guess that a more basic and interesting question is: Does anyone know what percentage of existing players are actually pushing for this monstrosity? I guess they weighed the pros and cons and went forward with a business decision. ****ing mind blowing, isnt it?
Doctor John Smith	Posted - 2011.06.21 13:58:00 - [101] Originally by: Sellendis Originally by: Isha Steel Originally by: Josie Grosie I was actually looking forward to Incarna and what walking in stations would add to the game. I just don't think now is the time for it to be implemented. Surely the flying in space part should be fixed before the walking in stations part is introduced. If they did that we'd all die of old age before Incarna came out! How about fixing current problems first, not adding new ones? Currently CQ is a car with only 1 wheel on, and dragster fuel consumption. People are not against incarna, they are against mostly useless CQ. Those of us that tested it didn't find CQ worth our CPU/GPU cycles. I take it you're against the contraband changes and gambling casinos coming in August? I am making an assumption, but the majority of that assumption is based on the fact we can't have those without CQ. Ps. Contract me any Improved Drop Booster blueprints and i'll pay 8mil each in Highsec.
Indorian Pure Evil Warriors The Devil's Warrior Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:01:00 - [102] Originally by: Doctor John Smith Originally by: Sellendis Originally by: Isha Steel Originally by: Josie Grosie I was actually looking forward to Incarna and what walking in stations would add to the game. I just don't think now is the time for it to be implemented. Surely the flying in space part should be fixed before the walking in stations part is introduced. If they did that we'd all die of old age before Incarna came out! How about fixing current problems first, not adding new ones? Currently CQ is a car with only 1 wheel on, and dragster fuel consumption. People are not against incarna, they are against mostly useless CQ. Those of us that tested it didn't find CQ worth our CPU/GPU cycles. I take it you're against the contraband changes and gambling casinos coming in August? I am making an assumption, but the majority of that assumption is based on the fact we can't have those without CQ. Ps. Contract me any Improved Drop Booster blueprints and i'll pay 8mil each in Highsec. This
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:06:00 - [103] Originally by: Edward Drumm Originally by: Ezzr Goode I'm not fussed with Incarna, but I think it will be good for EVE (and CCP) as it will bring in new players. Personally, I don't expect to do much walking in stations, probably spend 30 minutes looking at my ships in the hanger then switch to current 'classic' hanger view and be done with it. Ezzr You do realse that the "classic hanger view" no longer exists? You are forced to load the walking in station content each time you dock, unless you are happy with a static screen stating "loading" (what you get when you disable it currently) Just thought i would pre warn you before you get a nasty shock when you log in. This is precisely the reason people are moaning. Not at Incarna but at the fact you are removing the sodding hanger so you HAVE TO USE IT ALL THE FRECKING TIME! The design CCP has implemented in that regard is tragic and ill conceived.
Kile Kitmoore	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:12:00 - [104] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Originally by: Edward Drumm Originally by: Ezzr Goode I'm not fussed with Incarna, but I think it will be good for EVE (and CCP) as it will bring in new players. Personally, I don't expect to do much walking in stations, probably spend 30 minutes looking at my ships in the hanger then switch to current 'classic' hanger view and be done with it. Ezzr You do realse that the "classic hanger view" no longer exists? You are forced to load the walking in station content each time you dock, unless you are happy with a static screen stating "loading" (what you get when you disable it currently) Just thought i would pre warn you before you get a nasty shock when you log in. This is precisely the reason people are moaning. Not at Incarna but at the fact you are removing the sodding hanger so you HAVE TO USE IT ALL THE FRECKING TIME! The design CCP has implemented in that regard is tragic and ill conceived. Amen!
Libria Kyzal	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:12:00 - [105] Mostly I'm just ****ed because all the people I camp into stations will now have something to do apart from ship spinning. 'Tis not good business for griefers D: Darn you CCP!
Jaak 242	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:14:00 - [106] Originally by: Aderata Nonkin Originally by: Zora'e even if it was small, and pathetic.. much like your manhood. Considering I'm a woman your pathetic attempt at taking a potshot fail miserably. Nice try though. In any case, well done for dodging my first paragraph. Goes to show that when all your hyperbole and exaggeration arguments wear out the only thing you can do is change the subject and become a douche. So the one being a troll in this case is you. Not very surprising. Less than 5% of the players in the game are women. You don't really expect us to believe you, do you? Exaggeration and hyperbole are nice words, but your usage suggests that you don't understand their meanings. Nice try. But my next question is, "What do any of your posts have to do with whether CCP is affected by the number of players who are, shall we say, not actively supporting Incarna?" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ - ------------------------------- /////////////////////////////
SNeAkYbRiT Gunslingers Corp	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:16:00 - [107] not against change or incarna...just give us options instead of dictating to us.
Isha Steel	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:17:00 - [108] Originally by: Sellendis Originally by: Isha Steel Originally by: Josie Grosie I was actually looking forward to Incarna and what walking in stations would add to the game. I just don't think now is the time for it to be implemented. Surely the flying in space part should be fixed before the walking in stations part is introduced. If they did that we'd all die of old age before Incarna came out! How about fixing current problems first, not adding new ones? Currently CQ is a car with only 1 wheel on, and dragster fuel consumption. People are not against incarna, they are against mostly useless CQ. Those of us that tested it didn't find CQ worth our CPU/GPU cycles. "Those of us that tested it didn't find CQ worth our CPU/GPU cycles." is quite the sweeping statement seeing as I tested it and thoroughly enjoyed the experience (especially as it ran for me at 1650X1080, max settings on an aging core2duo with a 3 year old ATI graphics card with a framerate above 40fps). Yes their are features that need fixing but every step like this every iteration brings EvE closer to what I want it to be, and just like you I care little about YOUR opinion.
Ezzr Goode Drugs 'R' Us	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:20:00 - [109] Originally by: Edward Drumm Originally by: Ezzr Goode I'm not fussed with Incarna, but I think it will be good for EVE (and CCP) as it will bring in new players. Personally, I don't expect to do much walking in stations, probably spend 30 minutes looking at my ships in the hanger then switch to current 'classic' hanger view and be done with it. Ezzr You do realse that the "classic hanger view" no longer exists? You are forced to load the walking in station content each time you dock, unless you are happy with a static screen stating "loading" (what you get when you disable it currently) Just thought i would pre warn you before you get a nasty shock when you log in. Bah, humbug
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:20:00 - [110] Originally by: CCP Guard In relation to the thread subject; What is the number of "anti Incarna players"? We don't know because it's hard to measure obviously. For many reasons. For example; how many just don't like... CCP Guard, Ima let you finish, but Apocrypha was the best patch of all time, of all time.
Jaak 242	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:23:00 - [111] In the end, I'm glad i asked because two of the responses have made me reconsider the whole Incarna thing. I'd still like to see existing issues fixed, and I'm still not interested in the CQ, but: I think it will bring in new players, which is good for all of us. I really like the idea that it may lead to a more full spectrum 'internet spaceship' game, even though this isn't the way that I would have approached it.
AthlonJedi Gallente RazorBlade Smile Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:25:00 - [112] it never ceases to amaze me how many people are complaining about CQ. CCP envisioned eve as a SCIFI SIMULATOR NOT JUST A DAMN GAME! In keeping with this ideal, dont you think people WOULD be getting out of thier ships and walking around in stations, thier POSes ( hopfuly down the road ), and thier PI Planets ( Via dust atm but with any luck players in eve will too at some point) What , you think people 20000 yrs from now are gonna spend thier entire existance ( cant say life, thiers clones you know ) in thier pod? I for one have been waiting for this since it was announced WAY WAY WAY back in 2006. What no one else has felt all this time something was missing in eve? And to be honest with everyone, I didnt spend the money on 3 hd projectors, screen, eyefinity graphincs, 16'x8' screen...... just to stay in my ship FOREVER. While some my not like this epansion, they are usualy the ones that don't understand the difference between a SIMULATION and a GAME. EVE IS A REAL PLACE, although it is a place that only exists in virtual space ( look it up if you don't know what that is ) it still exists none the less. Those complaining arte also usualy the ones that were complaining virtual reality doesnt exist yet back in the day. GUESS WHAT it DOES exist, its just not presant in YOUR concept of what a virtual reality should be. Its called EVE ONLINE and other simulations like it. CCP keep up the excelent work as you progress twards your vision of what EVE is ment to be.
Melkath Bandrom	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:28:00 - [113] Originally by: Keltas Mortermain when you dock up you get an option CQ or docking bay "last being current enviroment. casue i can imagine CQ slowing down ore drop offs and so on but hell whats 1 min extra VIVA LA CQ!!!!! For those of us missioning for Isk/hr ratio, over 60 missions thats an hour of time. That REALLY hurts if your running Courier missions for standings as well. Time is money in this game if you are efficient enough and want to make Isk or other rewards with as little delay as possible.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:30:00 - [114] Originally by: AthlonJedi it never ceases to amaze me how many people are complaining about CQ. CCP envisioned eve as a SCIFI SIMULATOR NOT JUST A DAMN GAME! In keeping with this ideal, dont you think people WOULD be getting out of thier ships and walking around in stations, thier POSes ( hopfuly down the road ), and thier PI Planets ( Via dust atm but with any luck players in eve will too at some point) What , you think people 20000 yrs from now are gonna spend thier entire existance ( cant say life, thiers clones you know ) in thier pod? I for one have been waiting for this since it was announced WAY WAY WAY back in 2006. What no one else has felt all this time something was missing in eve? And to be honest with everyone, I didnt spend the money on 3 hd projectors, screen, eyefinity graphincs, 16'x8' screen...... just to stay in my ship FOREVER. While some my not like this epansion, they are usualy the ones that don't understand the difference between a SIMULATION and a GAME. EVE IS A REAL PLACE, although it is a place that only exists in virtual space ( look it up if you don't know what that is ) it still exists none the less. Those complaining arte also usualy the ones that were complaining virtual reality doesnt exist yet back in the day. GUESS WHAT it DOES exist, its just not presant in YOUR concept of what a virtual reality should be. Its called EVE ONLINE and other simulations like it. CCP keep up the excelent work as you progress twards your vision of what EVE is ment to be. You sir are an idiot. The majority of complaints (and certainly all mine) have been about HOW they implement Incarna, not WHETHER they implement Incarna. I don't normally comment as I am not especially good at it... But the number of spelling mistakes in your post is spectacular... This makes you sound like a mindless ranting idiot... The content confirms it... Please try harder in future. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Kara Kaprica Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:33:00 - [115] the fact that you dont have to take part in it, mean thats your crying is pointless. it doesnt affect your gameplay, but it may entice new players to eve, which will make your gameplay better.
Rui Morin	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:34:00 - [116] Originally by: Jaak 242 I also don't remember saying anything about Incarna sucking, and, when I checked my post, I find I was correct. If you check your post you will find you referred to Incarna as a "monstrosity" which would seem to indicate that you didn't like it, giving me the impression you felt Incarna sucked. Good to see you have taken a more balanced view now.
Gallinari	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:36:00 - [117] What they are trying to do is make everyone happy which is an impossible task. Go onto ANY MMO forum and you will find the same thing... Wow players cried about Vanilla, then they cried about BC, then they cried about Wrath, then they cried about Cata...blah blah blah. They just need to implement new features to bring on new players, yet keep enough of the 'minority' players happy so they keep subscribing...This is a business.
Mantrella	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:36:00 - [118] LOL! this comming from some noob in eve university, gotta love dem noobs! I agree with AthlonJedi, Eve is ment to be a simulation , not a game, and if Incarna furthers this vision with a more imersive environment, its only logical they continue to develop thier vision in this manner.
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:37:00 - [119] Edited by: Benri Konpaku on 21/06/2011 14:37:17 Originally by: CCP Guard In relation to the thread subject; What is the number of "anti Incarna players"? We don't know because it's hard to measure obviously. For many reasons. For example; how many just don't like changes of this magnitude to a world they are pretty content with already? And how many actually oppose 3D character environments for EVE? How many feel Incarna is fine but that we should do other stuff first? How many don't opppose the direction, but simply disagree with some of the design angles? There are many different opinions out there. Not just "for" and "against". One thing is for sure, we will get a change to learn more about what you guys think after everyone has tried Incarna out and we've worked through any initial wrinkles (as if those ever happen...). We realize we're making various significant changes to a world that you are a part of and we have complete and utter respect for the fact that Incarna is not without skeptics. But we also have great faith in Incarna and feel it's a necessary step on our journey. And we're also pretty confident that the general consensus will line up, or we wouldn't be doing this. At this point...all any of us can do is hang tight and see how it goes :). I know you'll keep us posted on what you think, and we'll do our best to react to your feedback. Group hug! Most people are strongly against two things: 1) Forced CQ view with no option to disable it - This can be solved by placing an optional hangar view in place like the old one without loading the CQ part of the environment. Or at the very least keeping the option to not load the CQ environment altogether. 2) Use of crippled Physx and all related limitations for non-Nvidia users - This can be solved by actually using Multithreading for software Physx among many other improvements CCP can implement to boost performance for other brands of graphics cards. Otherwise everyone and their mother will assume CCP is in Nvidia's pocket and is trying to force their player base to buy Nvidia using cheap tricks like those Nvidia has used on all the other Phyxs games. Edit : And one more: 3) Potential for P2W due to microtransactions - As long as CCP keeps their word not to MT anything other than vanity items this shouldn't be much of an issue in the long run. TL;DR Most players either don't care about Incarna's first motel room (and will disable it if possible) or were looking forward to it until the Physx thing. But I doubt you didn't know about all of this already.
Aderata Nonkin Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:39:00 - [120] Originally by: Zora'e LOL again, nice try (if you ARE in fact a women and not a guy pretending to be a RL female player, congratulations for playing EVE, not many women do.) Not many baboons play EVE either, and yet here you are. This is still just a computer game and there are more women playing computer games than your brain might imagine. This just happens to be a sandbox MMO with flying spaceships. Quote: My opinion and statement is based on experiencing CQ first hand, at present it is an utter failure due to the WAY ccp is implementing it. Your opinion, yes. What you fail to realise is that your opinion only speaks for yourself and is not a fact. CQ is a complex matter and, as has been stated previously, there are many different layers to it than just "like" or "dislike". Someone might like one aspect but dislike another, someone else might dislike all of it and yet another might like all of it. Quote: CCP Implemented a 'feature' that realistically, adds virtually nothing to current game mechanics within the stations themselves CCP is adopting a viewpoint that in layman terms is called "casing the joint". For instance, if you are a bank robber - although I hope you aren't - you might go to the bank a few days before you planned to rob it. You would look around the bank and observe security guards, cameras and other obstacles, so you could plan how to avoid capture or death during the burglary. What CCP is doing is simply adding a feature that has been talked about for many years and from there observe how things proceed. Should it prove not to be satisfactory they will simply take a step back and evaluate what needs to be improved and/or changed. Quote: CCP has consistently refused to even ACKNOWLEDGE player suggestions and concerns over the way they are implementing CQ, You mean they have refused to acknowledge YOUR concerns. That is not the same thing and is merely a hyperbolic statement poorly disguised as a fact. Quote: I will most likely quit playing eve and move on to something else... if I can find anything else that actually holds my interest for more than two weeks anyway. There is good medicine available for people with a low attention span and similar hyperdeficit disorders. I suggest you investigate this matter once you've quit EVE and moved on. æIf you are not big enough to lose, then you are not big enough to win.Æ

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