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Wrinkle Reducer
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:40:00 -
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Have they fixed it yet? have they fixed it yet? have they fixed it .......YET?
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:45:00 -
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The concept of incarna is actually pretty cool, and i imagine most would welcome it, if CCP hadn't made such a ****ing mess of the code...
They had an awesome engine and design, the thing was complete enough to show us tech demos and everyone went "AWESOME". Then they scrapped the entire thing and wrote their own engine, using the most inefficient code possible, then stuck a big sticker on it say "lolmultiboxers".
Ontop of the ridiculous optimization (or lack thereof), they didn't even complete the task at hand, instead only giving us one room, one race. Constant promises of "it won't change eve if you don't want to use it" were put out there, only to be dashed with "If you don't want to use it, stare at this pretty picture until we remove the option".
Seriously, i hope that option is going to stay there until you get at least 50% better performance from your ****ty, 16 year old coders engine.
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Garrrd
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:48:00 -
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You guys are aware that the same buttons and way you do things now can still be done in CQ right?
Also, the amount of self-entitlement in this thread is outstanding. Keep up the good work.
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Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Jaak 242
Less than 5% of the players in the game are women. You don't really expect us to believe you, do you?
Who's "us"? You and your multiple personalities perhaps? That would explain your constant poor choice of wording and flawed opinions contradicting itself in every post you make.
In any case, I don't give a damn what you believe. Anyone can pull arbitrary numbers out of a hat.
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Isha Steel
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Aderata Nonkin
Originally by: Jaak 242
Less than 5% of the players in the game are women. You don't really expect us to believe you, do you?
Who's "us"? You and your multiple personalities perhaps? That would explain your constant poor choice of wording and flawed opinions contradicting itself in every post you make.
In any case, I don't give a damn what you believe. Anyone can pull arbitrary numbers out of a hat.
I think he means the EvE community that he is clearly the spokesperson for... *oh wai...*
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Jaak 242
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rui Morin
Originally by: Jaak 242
I also don't remember saying anything about Incarna sucking, and, when I checked my post, I find I was correct.
If you check your post you will find you referred to Incarna as a "monstrosity" which would seem to indicate that you didn't like it, giving me the impression you felt Incarna sucked.
Good to see you have taken a more balanced view now.
O.o Just work on your reading comprehension. Please. Forget about games for a while.
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Maplestone
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:58:00 -
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I love the ambition of Incarna and am interested in seeing where it goes when actual gameplay is added, but my fear is purely performance.
Both computers in my home choked and died on the character creator. UI lag is one those nails-on-chalkboard irritations in games to me, but building a new PC just isn't in my budget this year (even if it's chump change to most players). So for the moment, I know there will be a downside to all the new graphics, but the upside possibilities (and gameplay) seem to still be all in the future patch cycles.
I don't like casting myself as the stick-in-the-mud holding back the new shiny tech, so I'm not opposed to Incarna, I'm just a little useasy about the short-term potential to drag down my game experience.
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Sellendis
Caldari
The Ares project
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Isha Steel
Originally by: Sellendis
Originally by: Isha Steel
Originally by: Josie Grosie
I was actually looking forward to Incarna and what walking in stations would add to the game. I just don't think now is the time for it to be implemented. Surely the flying in space part should be fixed before the walking in stations part is introduced.
If they did that we'd all die of old age before Incarna came out!
How about fixing current problems first, not adding new ones?
Currently CQ is a car with only 1 wheel on, and dragster fuel consumption.
People are not against incarna, they are against mostly useless CQ. Those of us that tested it didn't find CQ worth our CPU/GPU cycles.
"Those of us that tested it didn't find CQ worth our CPU/GPU cycles." is quite the sweeping statement seeing as I tested it and thoroughly enjoyed the experience (especially as it ran for me at 1650X1080, max settings on an aging core2duo with a 3 year old ATI graphics card with a framerate above 40fps). Yes their are features that need fixing but every step like this every iteration brings EvE closer to what I want it to be, and just like you I care little about YOUR opinion.
See where you get by not reading.
Testing is one thing, forcing you to use it is another. So you like walking to your sofa every time you dock to change ammo or buy something on the market, then walking back to the ship to undock? How long is that gonna be fun for you?
New game room that is currently less functional than old UI, not to mention slower to navigate then usual neocom. That is your idea of improvement?
And this is a way you wanna Eve to go? Not fixing imbalances that have been here for years? Just adding a barbie doll and a mirror? I dont have performance problems in CQ its running 40-60fps.
But as other players already tested, it maxes your CPU/VGA for less functionality than before. Fine. Can i have the option to not use it? Why of course, here is a rusty metal plate. What about hangar view?
Lets quote CCP on that "fu.ck hangar view", they might as well said so, couse they are keeping quiet form the day one we asked.
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Jaak 242
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aderata Nonkin
Originally by: Jaak 242
Less than 5% of the players in the game are women. You don't really expect us to believe you, do you?
Who's "us"? You and your multiple personalities perhaps? That would explain your constant poor choice of wording and flawed opinions contradicting itself in every post you make.
In any case, I don't give a damn what you believe. Anyone can pull arbitrary numbers out of a hat.
Originally by: Jaak 242
O.o Just work on your reading comprehension. Please. Forget about games for a while.
And I do care what you believe. It gives me a kind of a guideline.
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Zora'e
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:06:00 -
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1: Originally by: Aderata Nonkin
Originally by: Zora'e
LOL again, nice try (if you ARE in fact a women and not a guy pretending to be a RL female player, congratulations for playing EVE, not many women do.)
Not many baboons play EVE either, and yet here you are. This is still just a computer game and there are more women playing computer games than your brain might imagine. This just happens to be a sandbox MMO with flying spaceships.
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My opinion and statement is based on experiencing CQ first hand, at present it is an utter failure due to the WAY ccp is implementing it.
Your opinion, yes. What you fail to realise is that your opinion only speaks for yourself and is not a fact. CQ is a complex matter and, as has been stated previously, there are many different layers to it than just "like" or "dislike". Someone might like one aspect but dislike another, someone else might dislike all of it and yet another might like all of it.
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CCP Implemented a 'feature' that realistically, adds virtually nothing to current game mechanics within the stations themselves
CCP is adopting a viewpoint that in layman terms is called "casing the joint". For instance, if you are a bank robber - although I hope you aren't - you might go to the bank a few days before you planned to rob it. You would look around the bank and observe security guards, cameras and other obstacles, so you could plan how to avoid capture or death during the burglary.
What CCP is doing is simply adding a feature that has been talked about for many years and from there observe how things proceed. Should it prove not to be satisfactory they will simply take a step back and evaluate what needs to be improved and/or changed.
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CCP has consistently refused to even ACKNOWLEDGE player suggestions and concerns over the way they are implementing CQ,
You mean they have refused to acknowledge YOUR concerns. That is not the same thing and is merely a hyperbolic statement poorly disguised as a fact.
5: Quote:
I will most likely quit playing eve and move on to something else... if I can find anything else that actually holds my interest for more than two weeks anyway.
There is good medicine available for people with a low attention span and similar hyperdeficit disorders. I suggest you investigate this matter once you've quit EVE and moved on.
1: My wife plays MMO's, in fact she even played EVE for a while. However in my experience with MMO's like EVE, there are fewer women that play them than in other MMO's such as or like Everquest, EQ 2, Wow etc. Again, I base my statements off of experience. Not wishful thinking. Lets skip past the name calling and try to have a reasonable conversation.
2: If I view how CCP is rolling WiS out as a failure, I view this based on my years of experience as a gamer, and watching the way different companies have rolled out expansions, and the end results of the way they did it. Frankly, I LIKE the idea of WiS. I DISLIKE the way CCP is going about it, which is in direct contradiction to what and how they STATED it would be.
3: Again as I stated before, I am not AGAINST WiS. I really do see the potential it has. I am just against HOW CCP is implementing it contrary to their statements concerning it.
4: No I mean they have flat out refused to even acknowledge MULTIPLE threads by multiple people, who have tested it on SISI and have voiced their concerns about it repeatedly in the Test Server section of the forums, as well as in GD, concerning how they are rolling it out. Not just MY concerns. ergo: A fact.
5: I don't suffer from either of those problems, however I do find most of the current MMO's to be exceptionally boring and easy when compared to EVE. This is one of the reasons I love EVE so much. It's complicated, has surprising depth and so many different options for game play. Incarna might add to this eventually, but presently fails to deliver.
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Ghurthe
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:07:00 -
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As long as CCP doesn't remove the old UI entirely I'll be happy.
If I'm ever forced to walk around station and talk to my agents, or walk to some NPC to access the market, I'll probably just quit playing eve all together.
I don't play Eve to walk around and talk to NPCs I play eve to enjoy rich pvp and pve with quite a bit of interesting interconnectivity.
As it stands CCP has mauled sov warfare, unbalanced capital ship warfare, systematically marred running level 5s as reasonable viable except for the most blitzable missions, normalized 0.0, and made low sec nearly irrelevant.
Now, do I trust them not to screw up docking in a station? Not really. But CCP please don't eventually force us to load the internal station. Many players do not have the super awesome computers to run incarna, especially not with multiple clients and having to run around in station to interact with things... well if I want that I'll just go play Star Trek Online.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Garrrd
You guys are aware that the same buttons and way you do things now can still be done in CQ right?
You are aware that much longer loading times, and massive drops in performance are still in CQ right?
Thats right, it wasn't cos it was a beta, it's because CCP are **** at coding. 
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Rui Morin
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jaak 242
Originally by: Rui Morin
Originally by: Jaak 242
I also don't remember saying anything about Incarna sucking, and, when I checked my post, I find I was correct.
If you check your post you will find you referred to Incarna as a "monstrosity" which would seem to indicate that you didn't like it, giving me the impression you felt Incarna sucked.
Good to see you have taken a more balanced view now.
O.o Just work on your reading comprehension. Please. Forget about games for a while.
Try typing sense.
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Slymah
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:32:00 -
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The folks QQing about Incarnia being released are the same people that would be QQing if CCP wasn't working on "walking in stations".
complainers complain
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JMERCENARY
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: JMERCENARY on 21/06/2011 15:43:54
Originally by: Jaak 242
It doesn't seem so to me.
Was I mistaken in thinking that MMORPG developers were interested in keeping the existing players happy?
I guess that a more basic and interesting question is: Does anyone know what percentage of existing players are actually pushing for this monstrosity?
What with the rest of the humanity that wants progress?
What, with all this unrealised potential of new players and new ventures and game philosophy?
That's what humans do. THEY EVOLVE!
The rest is history..
Yeah, and what is it with that tiny insignificant spec of minority that wants to return back to the caves?
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Caldari Elite Force
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: CCP Guard
*Group hug!*
IT'S A TRAP!
OUR CRUISERS CANT REPEL FIREPOWER OF THAT MAGNITUDE!
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Zora'e
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Zora''e on 21/06/2011 15:47:46
Originally by: JMERCENARY
THEY EVOLVE!
The rest is history..
Evolution is a LIE foisted off on the masses by the Godless scum of New Eden. The Amarr, the only ones left in this universe that adhere to the one Truth shall purge the Godless from new Eden!
/end fail attempt at RP
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Twist RimWalker Auduin
Figther Command
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:51:00 -
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I'm glad ccp is paving the way for incarna and dust! Looking forward to great times, and I know many that thinks the same. It's hard whining bout something your happy with :P
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:02:00 -
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Change is good.
I plan to spend some of this weekend, sitting on my couch, watching me, sit on my couch.
Pretty meta.
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Spc One
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Spc One on 21/06/2011 16:11:26
Originally by: CCP Guard
In relation to the thread subject; What is the number of "anti Incarna players"? We don't know because it's hard to measure obviously. For many reasons. For example; how many just don't like changes of this magnitude to a world they are pretty content with already? And how many actually oppose 3D character environments for EVE? How many feel Incarna is fine but that we should do other stuff first? How many don't opppose the direction, but simply disagree with some of the design angles? There are many different opinions out there. Not just "for" and "against".
One thing is for sure, we will get a change to learn more about what you guys think after everyone has tried Incarna out and we've worked through any initial wrinkles (as if those ever happen... ).
We realize we're making various significant changes to a world that you are a part of and we have complete and utter respect for the fact that Incarna is not without skeptics. But we also have great faith in Incarna and feel it's a necessary step on our journey. And we're also pretty confident that the general consensus will line up, or we wouldn't be doing this.
At this point...all any of us can do is hang tight and see how it goes :). I know you'll keep us posted on what you think, and we'll do our best to react to your feedback.
*Group hug!*
I think incarna and walking in stations is very good.
The problem is that when we dock we go directly to captain's quarters.
I would do it in a different way:
1. User docks into normal station environment (can spin his ship around) like it was now.
2. If he wants to go to captain's quarters he clicks a button on left or right like fitting service and CQ environment loads up.
I think this is a better concept.
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Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:11:00 -
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No. They should know better. (The players)
Originally by: anonymous
WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
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Hairy Sue
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Spc One
The problem is that when we dock we go directly to captain's quarters.
I would do it in a different way:
1. User docks into normal station environment (can spin his ship around) like it was now.
2. If he wants to go to captain's quarters he clicks a button on left or right like fitting service and CQ environment loads up.
I think this is a better concept.
But....BUT....BUT.... but that would be a simple concept that would keep ALL players happy. Everyone!
CCP would never do that.
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Sybertank Bellmont
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:20:00 -
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All the people who whine about these changes..........
All the people who said they would quit EVE...........
The servers seem to still have the same old usual traffic of players, if you don't like EVE anymore, then just leave. Just like all your freinds after the Agents were revamped, null was nerfed, DED sites were evened out....you know when the thousands of mad players left EVE, oh wait a minute, you are still here...
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Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mantrella
LOL! this comming from some noob in eve university, gotta love dem noobs!
I agree with AthlonJedi, Eve is ment to be a simulation , not a game, and if Incarna furthers this vision with a more imersive environment, its only logical they continue to develop thier vision in this manner.
yes at 3 1/4 yrs old (main) I am a total noob with only 53 mill sp...
The implementation of CQ makes it less immersive.
If their vision makes people quit, then our concerns are very much there's... which would be why they ask for our opinions.
Nothing about eve being a simulation is incompatible with keeping the hanger and having CQ an option after docking.
In fact that is much more believable, Immersive, and better design.
It's also what they promised it would be like.
So I go back to my original point... You are both idiots.
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Support Optional CQ
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Admiral Risalo
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jaak 242
It doesn't seem so to me.
Was I mistaken in thinking that MMORPG developers were interested in keeping the existing players happy?
I guess that a more basic and interesting question is: Does anyone know what percentage of existing players are actually pushing for this monstrosity?
so far ive seen only 2 people who hate this expansion, like it or not, for every one who hates this expansion before even seeing it, there are a thousand more who cant wait
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Mike Staple
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Mike Staple on 21/06/2011 17:35:15
Originally by: impli
Incarna is a good expansion, because it's the beginning of the end vision, where eve goes. EVE is not just internet space ships it wants to be a FULL science fiction MMPOG. So yes I am for incarna and future expansions like incarna. I am looking forward to meet my "EVE" Friends in Bars and drink quafe.
Who don't want to interact in station should move to 0.0 and shoot people in a face.
If you want this why you just don't play 2nd Life? I dislike direction where CCP and EVE heading for. Vanila items sold for real $ to show up, is real behind motion for Incarna.
10 out of 15 people in my corporation will gladly use "don't load CQ feature". Threating us with future removing of "feature to turn it off" is bad. I spend already enough real $ on EVE so you will not see any $ from me for useless vanity items. If I want new jacket I will go out and buy it in my RL.
+1 in count of Incarna haters. It only hog my CPU/GPU and RAM for nothing. It has negative impact on my enjoy in EVE.
BTW go out and drink with friends real beer it is way much better than do it with bits in your computer.
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HactionGuy Wim
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:34:00 -
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EVE 2014 - On a planet killing 8 boars for a guild quest.
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar
Fearsome Engine
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Soden Rah
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Originally by: Jaak 242
It doesn't seem so to me.
Was I mistaken in thinking that MMORPG developers were interested in keeping the existing players happy?
I guess that a more basic and interesting question is: Does anyone know what percentage of existing players are actually pushing for this monstrosity?
You are assuming that the few vocal whining idiots on the forum are somehow representative of the majority of the player base. If I recall correctly, the number of players who post on the forums is around the 5-7% mark, of which probably 10-20% are unhappy with the idea of Incarna.
Now I am aware that the 10-20% figure is only an extremely rough estimate based on the number of threads made that are against Incarna, and the subsequent unique players who posted in agreement in those threads, but the 5-7% figure was from CCP, so I feel comfortable in saying that most people do not share such a negative view.
TL;DR There are a few highly vocal dissenters who are, realistically speaking, vastly out numbered by those who are either neutral toward, or in support of Incarna.
you can't make this statement for exactly the same reason that people claiming a majority hate incarna... you don't have the figures.
Also you can't extrapolate from the self selecting few that post on the forums to those that don't. which means the majority of people on the forums could love or hate Incarna, and the majority of the player base could have the opposite opinion.
If 10~20% of the forum dwellers do indeed dislike this implementation of incarna, and that percentage is played across the rest of EVE, then you are talking about between
1 in 10 and 1 in 5 players who would be happier with an option to disembark upon docking rather than mandatory CQ...
Seeing as that option doesn't hurt those that don't care about it, why not please the 10~20% of people you guess do care?
Actually I can extrapolate. For a start the 5-7% figure was stated by CCP not me, which is NOT 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 people. Then there is the fact that if you hate something but don't speak up then you will be considered neutral or in favour of something, just as it is with real life elections.
The thing with claiming that everyone is angry and that you speak for them all, is that it doesn't work. Really angry people rarely stay quiet, and the lack of tens of thousands of really angry people just helps prove my point. On the flip side, saying that most people don't seem to care about something is MUCH easier to back up due to the lack of people showing up to protest something.
Don't misunderstand me however, I am fully in support of having the option to disable the new Captains Quarters, not just temporarily as it stands right now, but permanently. Everyone should be able to get what they want out of this, customers on both sides of the fence and CCP.
I just hate seeing people claiming that just because they personally do not like something, that EVERYONE else shares that sentiment. It is the height of arrogance and ignorance to assume such a thing.
Originally by: Urban Dictionary
Bro we just got monocled by CCP
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Lucrezia Romanova
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lucrezia Romanova on 24/06/2011 08:04:22
I am not against Incarna.
I am against the business model that came with it.
I am against forcing Incarna content on players that do not want it.
I am against being treated like **** as a customer.
But I am a hopeless optimist as well.
Or was it a pessimist, oh heck.. some kind of issimist.
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glepp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Guard
What is the number of "anti Incarna players"? We don't know.
So what you're saying is that you don't do market research before implementing major change?
If you CBA to do that, at least listen to the CSM.
Stop being ****ing amateurs.
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