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Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:19:00 - [31] Originally by: dkbjitawhore I refuse to believe this is the first this issue is being brought to light. One of the first things all eve players do when they hear about something new is ask how they can blow it up/destroy it. Bad game design or game design got ignored in favor of the almighty $$. From CCP's perspective you have to ask how they expect people to spend $68 dollars on a monocle if it can be destroyed while being worn? Obviously, a player is not going to do such a thing. Therefore, it's indestructible. That's the logic. I think it's BS as well and sets a bad precedence for the game. Obviously, if MT in it's current state becomes successful enough you can expect more aspects of the game to become indestructible or otherwise departing from normal game play.
dkbjitawhore	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Mr Kidd Originally by: dkbjitawhore I refuse to believe this is the first this issue is being brought to light. One of the first things all eve players do when they hear about something new is ask how they can blow it up/destroy it. Bad game design or game design got ignored in favor of the almighty $$. From CCP's perspective you have to ask how they expect people to spend $68 dollars on a monocle if it can be destroyed while being worn? Obviously, a player is not going to do such a thing. Therefore, it's indestructible. That's the logic. I think it's BS as well and sets a bad precedence for the game. Obviously, if MT in it's current state becomes successful enough you can expect more aspects of the game to become indestructible or otherwise departing from normal game play. They are nerfing our sandbox, giving those that pay enough immunity from the destructive/cutthroat nature of the sandbox.
Glasgow Dunlop	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:24:00 - [33] Id rather spend the money on a real monocle
Lipbite Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:33:00 - [34] If it's in cargo - it will be dropped (I believe). Could be good 2-thanatos-worth booty in form of small monocle.
LiquidatorBrunt	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:56:00 - [35] Originally by: Iamien Originally by: LiquidatorBrunt i guess I would have to point out you have always been able to send large sums of money, instantly and at no risk... The point is that it is an asset, that if you possess, can be near-instantly moved someplace where you can off-load it for the highest price. Let's say you buy something cheap in one of the outer regions and want to re-sell it in Jita for maximum profit, you can move the item with 0 risk if you equip it and get podded or jumpclone. ah, in my haste i did not think of that, effectively i could buy on in jita, instantly jump to nullsec (transporting my warez to) and sell it for more.... yeah it's probably a bad thing, at the same time I will probably make a lot of cash buying and selling vanity items soon so I'm just gonna shudup
MBrace Amarr Hikivirta Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:19:00 - [36] Edited by: MBrace on 22/06/2011 12:22:34 Originally by: dkbjitawhore Edited by: dkbjitawhore on 22/06/2011 11:13:06 Originally by: MBrace It is my understanding that anything purchased with Aurum can be either used or sold, not both. If you use the item you can use it indefinitely but it cannot be sold or un-used. If you buy the Item but do not use it you may transport it at will to be sold anywhere but also destroyed anywhere. It basically works similar to PLEX. Hope that makes sense. Can anyone confirm this first-handedly? if so this is a non-issue. We promise we won't flame you if you speak up as being able to confirm or dis-prove this. Linkage I may have been slightly off, but give this a look-see. It appears stuff being worn gets destroyed when podded, stuff in cargo gets dropped when killed (or destroyed). It also appears that you will be able to take clothes purchased with AUR on and off at will meaning you can transport it and sell it. It is far from invulnerable but if you're wearing it it will be pretty much undetectable in space. Body scanners anybody??
Mishatola	Posted - 2011.08.02 06:12:00 - [37] Just verified that i could wear those boots that are so cheep to buy right now.. and take them on and off .. and when i take them off the reappear in my inventory.
catinboots Minmatar Vintage heavy industries	Posted - 2011.08.02 06:20:00 - [38] Why do I have this nasty feeling this debate is all about griefing/tears extraction etc etc ...and nothing else ________________________________________ Minmatar are like jedi knights, we use ductape as our force, it has a darkside and a sticky side
Mishatola	Posted - 2011.08.02 06:30:00 - [39] and i just got one of those Quaf shirts in low sec... put it on, and flying out... lol
malaire	Posted - 2011.08.02 08:16:00 - [40] Originally by: Iamien You don't get it., using aurum it is possible to instantly transport billions of isk in assets simply by dying or jump cloning to a station, whatever the distance. You can only "transport" what you are currently wearing, and only to where your medical clone is (by getting podded). Jump clones dont allow such "transport". CCP answers here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1532513&page=1#29

catinboots Minmatar Vintage heavy industries	Posted - 2011.08.02 08:34:00 - [41] Originally by: Mr Kidd Originally by: dkbjitawhore I refuse to believe this is the first this issue is being brought to light. One of the first things all eve players do when they hear about something new is ask how they can blow it up/destroy it. Bad game design or game design got ignored in favor of the almighty $$. From CCP's perspective you have to ask how they expect people to spend $68 dollars on a monocle if it can be destroyed while being worn? Obviously, a player is not going to do such a thing. Therefore, it's indestructible. That's the logic. This is exactly why nex items are indestructable The NEx store is here to stay, most of us got over that and understand what OPTIONAL means personally i think the crybabies just mad because CCP doesn't give you the cha,nce for that golden GRIEF killmail ________________________________________ Minmatar are like jedi knights, we use ductape as our force, it has a darkside and a sticky side
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.08.02 08:40:00 - [42] It should be destroyed like implants when you are podded. Perhaps "the scorched brazier of jade constantine" or the "nearly pristine shirt of the mittani" can become an item to be displayed in your CQ Trophyroom but I doubt it. This is a busdiv (business devision) decision that called a shot on gameplay (bad). On the other hand I am curious to see what that will do to the dynamic of the "I want to extract implants from bodies" request that has been floating around for ages. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.08.02 08:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Iamien You don't get it., using aurum it is possible to instantly transport billions of isk in assets simply by dying or jump cloning to a station, whatever the distance. You don't get it., using isk it is possible to instantly transport billions of isk in isk simply by dying or jump cloning to a station, whatever the distance.
Catheryn Martobi	Posted - 2011.08.02 09:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Iamien Originally by: Wacktopia I think you're naked in your pod.... BUT if you undock somewhere else then your clothing is magically there unlike any other item in game? Hmmm... the immersion breach is deeper than we first thought. And I bet all your jump clones instantly have a copy too. It could be argued that the reason this clothing is so expensive is because you get a wardrobe installed in every station in the game.
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.08.02 17:20:00 - [45] Edited by: Vincent Athena on 02/08/2011 17:24:58 We can fix the immersion issue: When you get in your pod nanites quickly disassemble your clothes and store them in the pod. The pod is filled and you are ôplugged inö. While this happens your pod flies from the balcony to your ship, and your ship undocks. Upon docking the pod is drained and you are cleaned and dried by nanites. Your stored clothing is then reassembled on your body by the nanites. In seconds you are ready to step out of the pod and onto the balcony. If you are podded a scan of your mind and a scan of the disassembled clothing is transmitted to your cloning station. You mind scan is loaded into your clone, and your clothing is reconstructed upon it. This technology has its limitations. The clothing scan, like that of your mind, is destructive. Also like a single use BPC, only one replacement item can be made from the scan. In addition the Joves who supplied this technology are unwilling or unable to extend it to any other part of the ship other than the pod. Source: I made it all up based on what we see in the game and scraps of info supplied by the Devs. Edit: Ive also heard that CCP figured that if worn clothing was destructible, then it would not be worn. People would change out of it before undocking. And then you still could not destroy it! So why bother making it destructible if the result would be it sits in the station?
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2011.08.02 17:39:00 - [46] I find it very un-Evelike that these items do not drop/get destroyed upon podkill. CCP, you disappoint me.
Aldan Romar Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.02 17:40:00 - [47] I think NeX clothes shouldn't be destroyable, as no one would pay those prices then. But I also think NeX clothes shouldn't be tradable. If they were just available in your wardrobe they would stay what they are - real vanity items and not trade goods. And at least then half of the whining would go away.
Ayieka Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.02 17:53:00 - [48] Originally by: Wacktopia Hmmm... the immersion breach is deeper than we first thought. yeah this is so much less immersive than warping through a planet.
Magnus Orin Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.02 18:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Mr Kidd Originally by: dkbjitawhore I refuse to believe this is the first this issue is being brought to light. One of the first things all eve players do when they hear about something new is ask how they can blow it up/destroy it. Bad game design or game design got ignored in favor of the almighty $$. From CCP's perspective you have to ask how they expect people to spend $68 dollars on a monocle if it can be destroyed while being worn? Obviously, a player is not going to do such a thing. Therefore, it's indestructible. That's the logic. No that's bull**. CCP doesn't care if you give them money and it gets blown up 10 seconds later, or else they never would have introduced PLEX, nor would they have made said PLEX destructible in game. It is the way it is, which is horrid and immersion breaking (rp lol), because CCP is lazy, and needed to rush this NEX ** out fast to get a nice cash infusion for their bottom line. What needs to be done now is this: Make it so that as soon as you purchase an item (and this goes for all items) of the NEX store, it is only available to wear in that station. If you want to move it from station to station, you haul it in your cargo hold like any other item, including PLEX. You want to look rich and classy everywhere you go? SUck it up and either buy stuff for multiple stations, or risk hauling it around. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Magnus Orin Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.02 19:00:00 - [50] Edited by: Magnus Orin on 02/08/2011 19:00:41 Originally by: Ayieka Originally by: Wacktopia Hmmm... the immersion breach is deeper than we first thought. yeah this is so much less immersive than warping through a planet. Its not even just the immersion that is broken here, its a completely different paradigm for in game items that are sellable on the market. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.

Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.08.02 19:06:00 - [51] Originally by: Mr Kidd I think it's BS as well and sets a bad precedence for the game. Basically, yes. Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.08.02 19:19:00 - [52] NeX store in EvE is like space ship floating outside Goldshire inn. NeX store clothes are like ray of beams coming out from that spaceship and transforming gnomes to captain kirks. I would like to buy azure netherdrake with 1200mm autocannon II's. How many aurdooms would that be mr Hilmar ? --- This is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change
Uuali	Posted - 2011.08.02 19:53:00 - [53] It's called retconning. Watch and lol as CCP starts doing it.
Ana Vyr Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.02 20:10:00 - [54] You know the only real answer to this is to make these items destroyable to be consistent with the rest of the game. Oh no...they just broke their own idea didn't they? Surely, they must have thought this one through...oh wait.
Joan Avon Amarr We See Dead People Atlas.	Posted - 2011.08.02 20:35:00 - [55] Originally by: Magnus Orin No that's bull**. CCP doesn't care if you give them money and it gets blown up 10 seconds later, or else they never would have introduced PLEX, nor would they have made said PLEX destructible in game. It is the way it is, which is horrid and immersion breaking (rp lol), because CCP is lazy, and needed to rush this NEX ** out fast to get a nice cash infusion for their bottom line. What needs to be done now is this: Make it so that as soon as you purchase an item (and this goes for all items) of the NEX store, it is only available to wear in that station. If you want to move it from station to station, you haul it in your cargo hold like any other item, including PLEX. You want to look rich and classy everywhere you go? SUck it up and either buy stuff for multiple stations, or risk hauling it around. No! You can't take or destroy virtual goods that have been purchased with direct real life money transactions or Micro transactions. That would put CCP in an awkward position should the owner of one of those ill fitting and poorly sized monocles decide to Sue either CCP or if possible the person who destroyed their paid for property in court (assuming they share some jurisdiction). Since plex isn't an actual finite piece of property but instead a voucher or coupon issued by CCP that can be turned in for the the actual piece of property/Asset which is the Month worth of game time. Since the game time cannot be stolen/taken away by anyone but CCP it's outside that legal cesspool. Besides the fact remains that the NeX's sales would be significantly if not disastrously hampered by peoples refusal to spend real life money on something that can be stolen/destroyed by any low class Griefer creep in Eve. That's why Tiffany's doesn't have a location in the middle of the south central L.A. Ghetto. So... No! You can't steal other players real money property in Eve. Be thankful that in this case CCP just prevents you from doing it and saving you the joy of small claims court. Please Note: The preceding was a presentation of the Carebear Industrial Kiss & Cuddle Network
Magnus Orin Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.02 20:41:00 - [56] Edited by: Magnus Orin on 02/08/2011 20:46:28 Edited by: Magnus Orin on 02/08/2011 20:43:16 Originally by: Joan Avon Originally by: Magnus Orin No that's bull**. CCP doesn't care if you give them money and it gets blown up 10 seconds later, or else they never would have introduced PLEX, nor would they have made said PLEX destructible in game. It is the way it is, which is horrid and immersion breaking (rp lol), because CCP is lazy, and needed to rush this NEX ** out fast to get a nice cash infusion for their bottom line. What needs to be done now is this: Make it so that as soon as you purchase an item (and this goes for all items) of the NEX store, it is only available to wear in that station. If you want to move it from station to station, you haul it in your cargo hold like any other item, including PLEX. You want to look rich and classy everywhere you go? SUck it up and either buy stuff for multiple stations, or risk hauling it around. Since plex isn't an actual finite piece of property but instead a voucher or coupon issued by CCP that can be turned in for the the actual piece of property/Asset which is the Month worth of game time. Since the game time cannot be stolen/taken away by anyone but CCP it's outside that legal cesspool. You do know that PLEX can be asploded right? And because it can, what difference does it have from any other in game item? That's right: None. NEX items break this model. Your argument that people would not pay for items with real cash because they can be destroyed in game is wrong. People lose in game items every day that they purchased via Real Money -> GTC -> PLEX -> Isk. There is ZERO reason NEX items should be exempt from this paradigm. Edit: Oh I just want to touch on the suing part.. because that is incredibly laughable as a well. You do know that you do not truly own your Eve character, its equipment and items right? CCP retains all ownership of virtual property as you should know if you clicked accept on the EULA, and TOS, as is the industry standard with MMOs. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
malaire	Posted - 2011.08.02 20:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Joan Avon No! You can't take or destroy virtual goods that have been purchased with direct real life money transactions or Micro transactions. That would put CCP in an awkward position should the owner of one of those ill fitting and poorly sized monocles decide to Sue either CCP or if possible the person who destroyed their paid for property in court (assuming they share some jurisdiction). Since plex isn't an actual finite piece of property but instead a voucher or coupon issued by CCP that can be turned in for the the actual piece of property/Asset which is the Month worth of game time. Since the game time cannot be stolen/taken away by anyone but CCP it's outside that legal cesspool. Besides the fact remains that the NeX's sales would be significantly if not disastrously hampered by peoples refusal to spend real life money on something that can be stolen/destroyed by any low class Griefer creep in Eve. That's why Tiffany's doesn't have a location in the middle of the south central L.A. Ghetto. So... No! You can't steal other players real money property in Eve. Be thankful that in this case CCP just prevents you from doing it and saving you the joy of small claims court. Err, what? NeX items can be stolen/destroyed just like any other item when they are not worn on your char.
malaire	Posted - 2011.08.02 20:48:00 - [58] Originally by: Magnus Orin There is ZERO reason NEX items should be exempt from this paradigm. Actually, there is good reason. There are ships in EVE which work a bit like vanity items, since they can't really be used for anything - e.g. raven state issue. If expensive NeX items were destructable while worn, they would have same fate of never being used. Only by making them indestructable while worn can CCP make them worth being used. This is even more important for limited edition NeX items.
Magnus Orin Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.02 21:04:00 - [59] Originally by: malaire Originally by: Magnus Orin There is ZERO reason NEX items should be exempt from this paradigm. Actually, there is good reason. There are ships in EVE which work a bit like vanity items, since they can't really be used for anything - e.g. raven state issue. If expensive NeX items were destructable while worn, they would have same fate of never being used. Only by making them indestructable while worn can CCP make them worth being used. This is even more important for limited edition NeX items. NEX items should not be destructible while worn. I agree with you. The model I would like to see used though, relies on the premise that you enter your pod naked. Your NEX bought clothing is left behind when you enter your pod and undock your ship. If you want to bring your clothing to another station, you need to put into your cargo hold, like any other item in the Eve Universe. If you want to dress nicely in multiple stations, either buy more clothes, or risk transporting it around. My main problem with the NEX items as is, is that they magically appear at any station you travel to, yet can never be destroyed. I do not think that a switch to the model I illustrated above would cause them not to be used, and it may increase sales for CCP as the really rich, would buy multiples of the items they like. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
malaire	Posted - 2011.08.02 21:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Magnus Orin My main problem with the NEX items as is, is that they magically appear at any station you travel to, yet can never be destroyed. I dont know official stance on this, but I like this explanation: Pod has small section for items you were wearing when you entered pod, and that is were your worn items are put when going into pod. When pod is destroyed, items do get destroyed, but their purchase price includes insurance which gives you new set for your new clone.



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