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Golden Goose 4CCP	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [241] I can wait.. I can't wait forever.
Darth Sith Genbuku. Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [242] Correct me if my math is off, but don't you have to sell a metric F**K-ton of Monacles just to pay for the flights of the CSM to Iceland ? Not so much on the profitability :)
Xenuchrist STK Scientific	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [243] Originally by: Leon Razor Edited by: Leon Razor on 26/06/2011 18:48:30 I think this response should be enough to calm everyone down. For now at least they seemed to have answered the big yellow question. No they didn't. The big yellow question was about non-vanity items, not golden ammo specifically. Won't resub until they do. -- "In human stupidity, when it is not malicious, there is something very touching, even beautiful... There always is." /Tolstoy
Salpun Gallente Paramount Commerce	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [244] Will this hold up the minutes from the last CSM meeting? Hope you have a transcriber in there this time so the minutes take less time to write up. Good luck CSM6. Get us what we want
Shasz Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [245] 3 devblogs later and not one addressing the crap you've done to the game and its interface. This microtransaction crap is such a fun distraction for the sheep and trolls, but means nothing to the game play and interface issues you're ignoring. Somebody email me when the game is out of Beta again - I'll take another look. ___________________________________
DaiTengu Gallente GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [246] Originally by: Dibble Dabble Originally by: Angeliq No plan for "golden ammo"? Just like you had no plan a few years back for cash shop?? And what about other non-vanity items like implants, ships, enchantments, bonuses, etc?? I want these items. Dont really care if you dont. MT is optional you ****head. so what happens when an army of people fueled by, say, an aluminum tycoon armed with millions of dollars takes over the entire game because they're able to afford things that make their ships explode slower, or not at all, or other's ships explode faster?
Senlia Hucel-Ge	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [247] Sounds not bad. As soon as you clarify, that * you do not sell ANY non-vanity items, * shortcuts (SP, standings), * now and in the future * in a way that does not allow any loopholes I gladly resub.
Don Pellegrino Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [248] I like how the devblog is carefully worded... "There HAVE BEEN no plans" does not mean there "WILL NOT". ____________________________________________ I REFUSE to watch Eve Online die without fighting.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [249] Still on the unsubscribed side of things here (-2), looks like a week at least then. Thanks for the apology though, appreciate it. PS: start communicating in the Test-Server-Forums, 30% of the rage is fuelled by your lack of talking with the testers over there. What wrong is with Eve / CCP (by Tippia)
Kith Kanann Minmatar Pator Tech Corp	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:03:00 - [250] The CSM... Seriously? What a waste of time. .......................................... Greed is GoodÖ Originally by: CCP Soundwave It's going to be awesome.

Dessau Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:03:00 - [251] As you recall there was a definitive promise of 'no microtransactions, ever' last June. Now, here we are. By extension, today's 'promise' is equally as meaningless.
Trebor Daehdoow	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:03:00 - [252] Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say. As will the CSM. Originally by: Innominate Lies, spin, and equivocation. "Gold ammo" is a catch-all for anything affecting gameplay, and I suspect you're not using it as such here. I can tell you without fear of contradiction that "Gold ammo" is shorthand for "any non-vanity item". Originally by: Innominate "Please stop talking about this." On the contrary; start talking about it. Make sure that the CSM, your representatives, is absolutely clear about your opinions. I think we are, but there are always nuances. Originally by: Weaselior This sentence is a nightmare, please confirm what it means is "there will not be any 'gold ammo', i.e. non-vanity 'micro' transactions". When CSM was asked for input on the devblog, I was concerned about this wording. Here is the alternate wording that I suggested, which I believe expresses the essence of CCP Zulu's intent: However, I want to make one thing absolutely clear. Despite the impression given by the "point-counterpoint" debate that appeared in the Fearless newsletter, there have never at any time been any plans to sell "gold ammo" or any other game-affecting goods for Aurum. Originally by: Buzzmong I'll EvEmail this as well to the CSM members as I suspect you'll miss this. Thanks, appreciated. You can also email me directly at [email protected]
Govinda Sertan	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 - [253] Imho, this Zulu blog was a fail. He dont answer anything. He ask us to wait a hole week. He dont give us anything. It's hard to say but to me, the trust has been broken, and it will take a lot more than these weak, empty words, to bring it back. I need acts. I need bug fixes. I need new projects to make the game better. I am not paying a subscription to allow the dev to add more paying content !
Goatse Girl	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 - [254] Resubbed! much love CCP ZULU!
Amber Villaneous	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 - [255] OK CCP you win. It is quite obvious you could not say "We will never sell non-vanity items". My subs have been in cancellation status for 3 days and there is no chance that will ever change now. I can unequivocally state that I will never put another dime into your company again. I can also unequivocally state that I will never advise nor reccomend to anyone that they do so either. My ranting and protest are done, you win.
Dibble Dabble	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 - [256] Originally by: DaiTengu Originally by: Dibble Dabble Originally by: Angeliq No plan for "golden ammo"? Just like you had no plan a few years back for cash shop?? And what about other non-vanity items like implants, ships, enchantments, bonuses, etc?? I want these items. Dont really care if you dont. MT is optional you ****head. so what happens when an army of people fueled by, say, an aluminum tycoon armed with millions of dollars takes over the entire game because they're able to afford things that make their ships explode slower, or not at all, or other's ships explode faster? I think you will find that people are doing it already with Plex. Your scared of change. Your a fool.
Kithrus Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 - [257] Why does everyone keep expecting worst case?
justme6	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 - [258] just Skype it and be done with it you'll just ignore their recommendations anyway!
Helig Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 - [259] Thanks for the blog and the additional dialogue.. we're heading in the right direction. One of the big concerns for most is some commitment to not selling game impacting items via Aurum (we already have plex for that). This is pretty critical as it really would undermine our monthly subscription.
St'oto Elite Predators	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 - [260] It's about bloody time! CCP you seriously need to learn how too communicate better with your customers. Maybe the CSM needs to school you guys in proper communication etiquette? I literally signed back up too eve about 2 hours ago. I hope to god I won't regret it. I'm hoping that the CSM will put you guys back in line and show you just how valuable your customer base is. Without us, you are nothing. You need to remember that.

octahexx Charante	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 - [261] or he said their trust had been breached...hence the internal info came out. csm is called back for being told off by this security leak. this is their major problem not what was in the letter. gold ammo answer is just a play of words to avoid the subject.
Onyx Blackman	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [262] Originally by: Dibble Dabble Originally by: SunTsu Rae An open Letter to the CPP management. You are NOT the ones that should be driving how we play. Why? Look at your pay checks. They are written on our REAL LIFE money. Break the game , and we break YOUR bank. The interaction with 0.0 is decided by the player, the one who pays on the account, and should not ever be dictated by the application writers. Quickbooks tried that, and it cost them market share. Take the hint. We make the choices, and we can choose to go elsewhere in quantity if we see you reduce quality. Maybe it is time for a review by the Investors of the books, overall business practices and future direction. If you prefer your clientele to only be pubescent teenagers, and college kids, continue to destroy the economics and abundance of play styles. The result will be a slightly above average, internet based, application eqivalent to a console game, instead of the thriving community and economy. I used to recruit for the adventure of Eve: Online. I guess I will hold off on that. Some of us would like MT to work. If you dont want MT then dont buy it. I like the idea of MT, its optional. Your just another lemming ******. That's the thing, it's only 'optional' if it has no bearing on gameplay or gives no advantage.
Vic Tenrach Minmatar Fuer Grissas ost Drauka	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [263] Wonderful news, and a pleasure to read this devblog. I've been uneasy since Incarna came out, but still cautiously optimistic. Today I don't feel worried that my favorite game will crash and burn and the world will end \o/
Carai an'Caldazar Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [264] Originally by: Kith Kanann The CSM... Seriously? What a waste of time. Do you have a better way for them to communicate with the player base? I know of no better way for them to reach out to the community and find out our real concerns, besides looking at the debates we have on these forums (which I imagine they do based on their discussions with the CSM). Regardless of your political affiliations in EVE regarding the delegates and where they are from, there has been only evidence to support that the past CSM councils have had the best interests of the EVE player base at heart. While CCP may not have a track record for spearheading development based on their meetings, there has been victories and hopefully will be many more. ~Carai an'Caldazar~ ~Carai an'Ellisande~ -- Dawn of a new Empire --
Urziel99	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [265] No disrespect Zulu but I'll believe it when I see it. Meantime, I'll be keeping an eye on the NeX and if I see anything remotely suspicious I'll pull the plug on my 4 accounts. I won't play a game who's economy is being usurped by the games creators.
Walextheone The Red Circle Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [266] A good step forward. No advantages by aurum is just what I want to hear. Hopefully the next steps will be in the same direction
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [267] I am glad that CCP have seen the importance of the issue and have scheduled a crisis meeting with the CSM. Thank you. Now we will see the character and calibre of the CSM representatives we elected in these vital discussions on the future of the game. Its my hope that future directions will be greatly clarified in this meeting and we will quickly see a commitment to a non-mandatory CQ / no PTW MC via Aurum and a general reassertion of the future of Eve Online as a fully subscription-driven product. Join the Revolution!
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [268] Well it's definitely an improvement from Friday's blog. I'll accept "no gold ammo" as a psuedo-answer until the CSM meeting clarifies things but I'll leave my subs cancelled pending what information is forthcoming post the July 1 meeting. One thing I would suggest as a gesture of good faith is to adjust the ship fitting limit to a more reasonable value immediately, 1000 should suffice for the time being. As the infamous email says "this is a time when we look at your actions rather than your words".
Shepard Book	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [269] Thanks Zulu. I look forward to hearing about the upcoming meeting.
Troy LS	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [270] Bets that the Sony/CCP deal is announced before the CSM meeting next weekend? I'll stay unsubbed until next week at the earliest. Actions, not words.



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No plan for "golden ammo"? Just like you had no plan a few years back for cash shop?? And what about other non-vanity items like implants, ships, enchantments, bonuses, etc??

No plan for "golden ammo"? Just like you had no plan a few years back for cash shop?? And what about other non-vanity items like implants, ships, enchantments, bonuses, etc??