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GATORAN
x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: GATORAN on 26/06/2011 19:53:04 Edited by: GATORAN on 26/06/2011 19:52:26
Originally by: Garricky
Originally by: Debbie DoesDallas This is a good start. The fact they are flying the CSM out on short notice means they are taking this issue seriously.
Time for folks to dial it down and see what comes out of the CSM Summit.
It's a smokescreen/delay tactic, otherwise they would talk to the CSM by conference call and get us info fast - not a week or more delay to fly them out there for no reason. DELAY is the goal. To say they need to hear the complaints from a CSM's mouth, I find insulting as a player.
I can play this game too...lets see: Suppose that a conference call was held instead, here is what I would be saying if I had your current attitude:
It's a smoke screen/delay tactic, otherwise they would talk to the CSM face to face and get to look them into the eyes, we're sick and tired of these cheap solutions. We want to be taken seriously CCP! Not a day or less for some cheap compounded info. Take a week and prepare a proper statement and meeting, fly them to Iceland (for good reason too!). DELAY is the goal. To say that they need to hear the complaints from a CSM's mouth over a phone, I find insulting as a player.
*/hypothetical scenario*
See how easy that was? You're not helping anyone with this conspiracy nonsense.
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Dibble Dabble
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Salco Masir There is no thrust atm. -2 subs. I'll watch your actions!
Please quit. You want be missed. Some like MT, some dont, shame your a dumb fool who cant understand that MT is optional.
Now go, quit and dont come back.
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Republica Winder
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Akiriy Azuriko they could stop half the rage just by saying there will be no P2W
stupid noobz >:[
They won't, because as the newsletter stated, Pay-To-Win is in the plan. That they won't disavow this (which would have squelched a significant part of the rage) tells you that this is what they want to do.
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: BeanBagKing on 26/06/2011 19:52:57
Originally by: Rion Deteisan Edited by: Rion Deteisan on 26/06/2011 19:34:50 Edited by: Rion Deteisan on 26/06/2011 19:33:56
Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum.
(it was going to be platinum ammo)
OR
(it was only going to be ships)
OR
(Great idea!!.. lets call in CSM to see if we can make plans to do gold ammo too!)
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540116&page=9#252
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
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Little too late, don't you think?
As someone stated here, you have left EVE to burn in the fiercest fires it has had since CCP gave birth to it, watching from the shadows. The amount of trust that CCP lost in these past few days, it will take months, if not years of hard work to gain back.
And what about players that have been literally pushed to the edges of their patience and perseverance? The ones that protested in hubs, the ones that canceled their subscriptions(those did the most hard thing for any of us to do, hats down to them), and the rest of us who raged and cried out through the forums?
But at least there are hints that community has the power to affect CCP's decisions. And ability, determination and will to stay the course and fight what is wrong. I wish CCP best of luck in their future work and a major turn around in their community relations politics.
WE, the citizens of New Eden, are watching - what you do, and not what you say from now on.
o7 PLAYERBASE REACTION TO INCARNA |
Garrance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
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Trebor - you posted:
"With regard to speed of reporting, I will try and get reports out every day detailing general progress, and we will try and get a full report out ASAP. We know this is time-sensitive."
If you realize speed is a big issue - why make us all wait for a week or more by talking to CCP in ICELAND? Do it by Skype and save us all that time waiting. Otherwise it seems just a CCP delay tactic.
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Arista Shahni
Amarr Murasaki Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
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To be buried soundlessly, in a stream of responses, like all of our voices have been.
Ah well, here I go anyway.
For me it isn't even about the MT anymore. You feel betrayed? Well, think of it this way: exposure of the truth does not mean that before-hand, the truth did not exist.
(Take a breath - run on sentences ahead)
It wasn't all caring about the players and their opinions and the BEAUTIFUL THING you have created, was it? Sticking to your unconventional MMO-company guns doing so, until suddenly this horrible leak of private documents occurred, warping reality into something that was a reflection of every game that your player-base has, in its majority, rejected.
To find out someone disregards your very humanity and looks at you as a wallet bearing rat that scuttles predictably in a cage measured by a statiticaal curves to come crawling back to the food pellets, when your reputation was devs developing for players... this is a horrible breach of trust.
Worse than a spur of the moment violation of faith, the truth has come out that this depersonalisation and dehumanisation of the very humans that pay to keep the lights on has been a sickness breeding for along time. When SOE did it to me it was fine, I knew the face and name of that beast before I opened my wallet.
When I left it, it was without regret, without this stupid choking feeling in my throat, without a love of what I was leaving behind. Congratulations on harvesting care-bear tears, and using a very literal game exploit to do it.
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Cade Windstalker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xander Hunt
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
EVE Community. I am disappointed in how little faith you had in a company that some of you have been with for seven years, and how you allowed your groupthink to overpower your ability to use formal logic and deduction regarding what may be opinion and what may be debate. But, you have my undying respect for showing passion, and love, for the game that many of us hold dear.
Its RW corporate propaganda that we're seeing here, not Zulu or Zinfadel (or however you spell his name) that are doing this DIRECTLY. (I admit, I posted that I wanted Zinfadel fired, but only because I hate the kind of job he's in, and how he tries to execute it so well. Its not about him, its about how things have changed in the past 6 months alone) I have little to no faith in *ANY* company (including the one I work for) that has investors, as investors want nothing more than more money. With all seriousness, they'll push the boundries to get monies in, and when it dries up, walk away knowing they made a profit. Its taken a few years for CCP to get to the point where investors are ... instigating and trying to enforce ideas to get more RW monies out of the system, be it due to borrowing for dev'n of Dust or whatever. Monetary-Investors suck the life out of a game (or anything) faster than a shop-vac sucks up water. Investors have passion for money, not passion for the game and its mechanics.
The only investors I have any patience for are the people who invest non-monetary ideals into something, such as passion, wisdom, intelligence, time, ideas, love, hate, interest. Its no wonder Jita and Amarr are on fire as we, the players, are so invested in this game, we don't want to see the mechanics change. We, the players, are investors as well, CCP. Money may make things work, but we're what makes all of this worth while, not money.
I'm sorry but that's a cynical and horribly misdirected view point. If you want to rage about investors then do that, but CCP as a company has proven that they want to make good games and this community keeps kicking them in the nuts and saying that they should stop bending over and look them in the eye. We take the same caution and paranoia that we apply to in-game contracts and agreements and then point it at CCP and whine "you didn't cover minor details x, y, and z...".
By the way, about those investors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCP_Games
Founders and Employees are the principal share holders meaning that the company is employee owned.
I'd also like to point out that you don't get into game developement for the money. No, really, you don't. You certainly don't get into it for the money and then go work for CCP, you work for EA or Activision at one of their studios that turns out a Madden game or "generic shooter number the next one" every nine to 18 months. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For such an intelligent player base the level of stupidity that people will put forth as fact neve |
Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 26/06/2011 19:56:40
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 26/06/2011 19:32:11
Gentlemen, we already knew that Soundwave was requested by CCP to write his article from a Gordon Gekko point of view.
We already knew that the points list in the Fearless edition were put in purposefully to provoke discussion and reinforce where the implementation of MT could go wrong if greed overtook reason.
We already knew that the copy that was originally leaked had been edited, and taken completely out of context.
You simply chose not to hear it.
And yet you keep referring to it as "proof" that they have a plan in place to do so, despite a direct refutation.
You, the EVE Online community, have been massively trolled.
And you couldn't have made it easier.
whew that's a relief
that means they can just simply say "it's all not true, we'll never destroy the game backbone (the market) by allowing non-vanity items in the aurum store"
right?
so why haven't they?
(these are what we call rhetorical questions. if the answers aren't painfully obvious to you you are as deluded as R1 here.)
looks like i'm ~never resubbing~ enough of us do it they'll stop just talking? i doubt it. upper management is the same wherever you go. it might as well already be in the game.
o7 eve you will be missed. the vision was beautiful until the green eyed moster decided to destroy it.
Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum
See you later, oh easily manipulated one.
===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Hecate Lionfire
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:54:00 -
[520]
Will bacon be the bacon in the bacon of the bacon to the bacon of the bacon when bacon of the bacon is bacon to the bacon and bacon becomes the bacon of the bacon when the game is bacon?
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:54:00 -
[521]
Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Leah Pendragon The utter refusal to say 'There will be no non-vanity MT' is deeply disturbing.
This.
And if CCP are so strapped for cash, why not just increase subscription costs slightly, like from 15 euro per month to 17 euro per month, and a corresponding increase in ETC prices? It's been 15 for over 4 years now. I can live with a small amount of inflation.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540116&page=9#252
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 19:56:24
Originally by: RougeOperator Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 19:50:24 You start off by making it sound like its our fault?
And this is a blatant stall tactic. Still trying to get us to Forget about what you guys did.
You want us to believe you give a damn about the CSM after ignoring them time and again? All the sudden you want us to magicially belive you give a damn what they say. Its just more PR stunt.
The EMAIL needs to be addressed. I want IRL ramifications for the things he said. Not just more talk.
And no one believes that Newsletter was just talk.
You all just want to wait it out till we forget and proceed as planed.
We are watching what you are doing, not what you are saying.
Also his apology is way too late. And the blog starts off with the wrong tone and excuses. You dont make excuses in a a real apology. Excuses mixed in destroy the sincerity and credibility. When you toss excuses in you dont really believe you should be apologizing at all in most cases.
How are those 1000 dollar pants Btw.
Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum
Also note he said "GOLD AMMO". So when they come back and charge for some type of ammo he can say he told the truth cause its not gold.
They are being very clever in not rejecting micros for in game items if you pay attention.
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Onnen Mentar
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:55:00 -
[523]
Now that's more of a reply.
I am very relieved to see CCP realize how important it is to trust.
However, I am also glad that someone within CCP had the balls to stand up for the community and let us know what was being discussed internally. Yes, it caused a crisis, but it also is a unique opportunity to reestablish trust. Trust has to be earned. You have to earn it from your employees and from your customers.
Also, if CCP management strongly believes in something (e.g. microtransactions), then they should be fearless and argue the point with us directly instead of agreeing one thing publically and internally discussing another.
P.S. I still think incarna is the worst (free?!?) expansion CCP have come up with ever, and yes I think CCP is being very greedy.
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Dibble Dabble
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:55:00 -
[524]
Originally by: The Offerer Edited by: The Offerer on 26/06/2011 19:51:14 Smart first step. It's all up to CSM-CCP summit now.
Just a hint: a positive outcome means +$60 MONTHLY (4 industrial accounts) for CCP from me. Yes, that's ALMOST a monocle a month for nothing more than a game content that was there for years.
I think you should just quit. Your a little on the dumb side and dont understand that MT is optional. So I suggest you quit and I would advise against breeding, the gene pool will be safer without your polution.
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:55:00 -
[525]
We're reading you, be sure we're going to carry your words to CCP.
My stance on the issue in more words is here. Be SURE to contact your CSM members and let them know, we WILL read your mail. ----- Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:56:00 -
[526]
I think this blog is a step in the right direction but I don't like the vagueness and ambiguity of the language.
It can easily be backpedaled on or said "well we just meant ammo".
As for Iceland, why not do things on SKYPE? Will we get approval by drunk csm's like last time with the Gold Scorpion?
And what services exactly?
There are a lot of questions left and I don't think this covers it.
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Ms Michigan
Gallente Aviation Professionals for EVE Fusion Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:56:00 -
[527]
Get HILMAR out here! ...Let him take the heat for what are his bad business ideas.
*I may marvel at a person who can afford a $1000 pair of pants, but I certainly don't respect them for spending their money that way.
CCP wants us all to quit. This is Hilmar's acceptable loss to alienate the VERY player base that MAKES EVE and replace us with his version of veal cattle.
You people (CCP) may have made the Sandbox we play in... but we ARE THE SANDBOX. We are what make EVE great. We make this game. FURTHERMORE, it is bad enough we pay monthly already and get Mediocre PROGRAMMING (Too many to list), LAX SECURITY (Cookie-derp/new forums), and POOR LOGIC AT TIMES (GAME BALANCE ISSUES)...Then you try and pull a fast one on us with this MT bull. You lie.
We still come because we love that EVE and CCP are better companies than 90% of the games/gaming companies out there....but YOU (CCP) are making us change our mind on that. You want to act like all the other companies and follow their dumb logic, FINE - act like them and see what happens to the Sandbox. Next thing you know it will be empty of all the great sand castles we built and all the cool kids that made them. CYA!
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:56:00 -
[528]
Originally by: Dibble Dabble
Originally by: Salco Masir There is no thrust atm. -2 subs. I'll watch your actions!
Please quit. You want be missed. Some like MT, some dont, shame your a dumb fool who cant understand that MT is optional.
Now go, quit and dont come back.
Yeah MT for nonvanity items won't completely destroy the market right?
ur so smart
--- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved |
Estelle McDeal
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:57:00 -
[529]
All they are doing is buying time.
Did they listen to us when it came to sanctum nerfs?
No all they wanted to do is sell more PLEXes. PLEX price went up meaning the demand was much higher then the offer.
If they really never planned to move microtransaction other then vanity items they would have said that immediately.
You lost our trust and calling in CSM for any credability will not work.
You gave a **** on CSM doing all other changes and all you want to do now is buy time which means more RL ISK until the obvious is stated.
You will sell game affecting items for RL cash one or the other way.
No cease fire and no clam down. This time we will not step down like stupid cash cows.
Before calling in CSM let Hilmar state in plain public that this was never intended and you will never again even think about it.
If not, rest in peace EvE.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:57:00 -
[530]
Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 26/06/2011 19:55:54 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 26/06/2011 19:53:58
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 26/06/2011 19:32:11
Gentlemen, we already knew that Soundwave was requested by CCP to write his article from a Gordon Gekko point of view.
We already knew that the points list in the Fearless edition were put in purposefully to provoke discussion and reinforce where the implementation of MT could go wrong if greed overtook reason.
We already knew that the copy that was originally leaked had been edited, and taken completely out of context.
You simply chose not to hear it.
And yet you keep referring to it as "proof" that they have a plan in place to do so, despite a direct refutation.
You, the EVE Online community, have been massively trolled.
And you couldn't have made it easier.
whew that's a relief
that means they can just simply say "it's all not true, we'll never destroy the game backbone (the market) by allowing non-vanity items in the aurum store"
right?
so why haven't they?
(these are what we call rhetorical questions. if the answers aren't painfully obvious to you you are as deluded as R1 here.)
looks like i'm ~never resubbing~ enough of us do it they'll stop just talking? i doubt it. upper management is the same wherever you go. it might as well already be in the game.
o7 eve you will be missed. the vision was beautiful until the green eyed moster decided to destroy it.
Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum
See you later, oh easily manipulated one.
So a attribute remap does not count as "gold ammo", right? Anything else?
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Xanthanan
Caldari Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:57:00 -
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Thank you CCP Zulu, I realise, as others have pointed out, that there is much more needed to fully pacify the player base but this is a start.
+1 to you for realising that your previous comments were emotionaly compromised, theres been a lot of that going round recently. Lets hope that those that are here because they love the game realise they could also have been guilty of that too. To the trolls that invariably congregate around threads like this, more calmness = less food for you!
I as many others cancelled my subscription this weekend. Being asked to play the game I love against RL rich people who must win with AUR boosted skills and equipment is MUCH worse than facing the entire DRF with PL in tow, that was just a consequence of gameplay and to be honest I have lost count the number of +1's I should have given in game enemies for their stance on the thorny subject of MT... The community > in game rivalries.
The CSM / CCP meeting needs to produce real results, I hope this is the case as I see the results of that meeting having a major bearing on people renewing their subs. So if I get back into game mode (which I have failed to do all weekend) more subs = more tagets which is good :) --------------------------------------------
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Dibble Dabble
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:57:00 -
[532]
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel We're reading you, be sure we're going to carry your words to CCP.
My stance on the issue in more words is here. Be SURE to contact your CSM members and let them know, we WILL read your mail.
You can read my post.
Some want MT in all its glory. Your all scared your RMT operations and bot alliances will suffer with MT.
CSM are just another vanity item, voted for by lemmings.
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Kerotakis
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kerotakis on 26/06/2011 19:57:55 It's hard to believe your damage control when your own internal discussion of microtransaction tells you to keep it hush-hush lest the subscribers get up in arms. This and your tremendous condescension towards us is hardly endearing.
Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
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Halte quivala
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:58:00 -
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Buying airline tickets for some guys to come over in order to have a talk, instead of using other tools available, and way less expensive. Some people have no idea what money is, really.
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Malkev
GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:58:00 -
[535]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:58:00 -
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Sony about to acquire CCP? http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/ ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:58:00 -
[537]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Dibble Dabble
Originally by: Salco Masir There is no thrust atm. -2 subs. I'll watch your actions!
Please quit. You want be missed. Some like MT, some dont, shame your a dumb fool who cant understand that MT is optional.
Now go, quit and dont come back.
Yeah MT for nonvanity items won't completely destroy the market right?
ur so smart
Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum
Obtuse much?
===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Fran Crick P.S. one other point Malka...nice sig!
♥
Because you're so sweet, I'll be kind.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540116&page=16#476
This is a second, recent attempt, for a CSM to explain how they were sharing the phrases with CCP, and how it should be worded. It seems a compromise was made. As noted by the CSM, if he feels that it ends up meaning something else he will be quick to inform us. -------------------
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:59:00 -
[539]
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel We're reading you, be sure we're going to carry your words to CCP.
My stance on the issue in more words is here. Be SURE to contact your CSM members and let them know, we WILL read your mail.
You are a sell-out and a joke if you go to this "Emergency" meeting prior to CCP stating that there will never be non-vanity items sold.
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Xander Hunt
Minmatar Dead Rats Tell No Tales
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:59:00 -
[540]
Originally by: Fractal Muse Oh my.
Who's brilliant plan is it to go the 'no communication' route?
Take the fire. Take the heat. Burn a bit. And walk away with a head held high that you interacted with your playerbase.
Putting everything on hold won't help your situation. Waiting another week will not help.
Goodness. Just come clean with what you are planning on doing and be done with it. Let the market decide if it likes your idea or not.
The more you play the shady, disingenuous, inept role... the more people will leave. Who can take a company that rolls out an expansion and then claims that they don't even know what they are doing seriously at this point?
I personally think its a brilliant idea to have the CSM out there. Would rather have a public TS3 feed where only CSM and CCP could speak and everyone else could listen in on, but alas, if they're flying out there, thats good too.
I like this because dealing with a small group of people is going to be easier to work with than a huge angry mob who scream demands.
I say let the CSM and CCP get a few wrinkles out. I just hope CCP doesn't get them too drunk to remember WTF happened. ;)
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