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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Yeah MT for nonvanity items won't completely destroy the market right?
Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum
Obtuse much?
He's not arguing the blog ù he's arguing that the viewpoint of "MT is optional" is insanely narrowminded and completely ignores the impact MT can have on a market such as EVE's.
àalso, there is a large amount of room for evasion between "gold ammo" and "non-vanity items", so he'd have a point regardless.
Yes, there are a wide variety of things the term "non-vanity items" could cover.
Paying to open a bar, that could be used to generate ISK sales for the owner would be only one example.
Not really a vanity item, but certainly not "Pay to Win" either.
Either way, MT would still be optional.
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 -
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Guys guys, the CSM thing is just a PR stunt. A press release will go to all gaming media saying that the discussions were fruitful.
CCP is commited to Incarna and the cash shop. This doesn't mean they'll start selling non-vanity items tomorrow, but they might at some point in the future.
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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:10:00 -
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CCP Zuluà. The tone and demeanour of my blog on Friday à.... fuelled by emotions that had built up due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days à..
(you had 2 spelling mistakes..ffs)
Umm hold on, this experiencing of breach of trust, do you mean you are emotionally broken because your board of directors went in a direction that you find distressing because it breaks the ô players are the game sandboxö or, the players actions that are manifesting on forums, across the cluster and in outside game news sources due to your arrogance towards the players?
IF the latter, what trust did we breach, trust in CCP?, you must be in DENIAL, what trust, its you who have broken your promises and betrayed the player base, the only trust u have in us is that we like your product, aka sandbox, and will pay a sum to build in it, you turn it into a litter tray, we wonŠt any more weŠll protest and leave, the only trust we had you betrayed.
I like many joined eve not because it was easy but, and this is a very important but, because it was hard, complex, unforgiving and a very long term commitment, I had a look and knew on day one that this sandbox of yours was going to occupy me what whats probably left of my life, it was who dies first, eve or me.
Eve is/was full of bright, intelligent people, it still is, the player base care more about CCP than most of your directors and major shareholders, and whats more its individual and collective intelligence far outstrips any resource CCP could ever acquire or contract on the marketplace.
We understand that CCP should have other products, we made CCP successful enough to takeover/merge with WW, we understood that WiS was the making of the ambulation and box engine for and WoD, we were more than happy to keep shoveling you cash because it was good for eve and CCP. What we did not expect as you promised it would not happen is MT in eve, yes develop the method for WoD, but introducing it into eve is CCP breaking trust with the eve community.
IF you had waited with the NeX until Dust was in Beta it would have been an excellent way to pay for planetary ops, but you went and made a derivatives engine that evaporates a company liability, aka PLEX.
You donŠt understand, your games company has turned into a short term cash grab machine, those investors who we were told were games players gave the what we now know was an illusion of trust that they thought like we did, however it turns out that their games have us as their pixels and they donŠt give a **** about us, you, or your grandmothers, all they crave is money and power, they donŠt respect you they never have.
P.S. I have just used a PLEX to reactivate my account so I could post this, I did you a favor, I decreased your liability, you have 29 days to explain where the company is going, the players are your product more so than the game, you guys seem to have forgotten that.
P.P.S, i log in and find a bot in system that iŠm going to have to pop days after i reported it, just send a GM to test them, them pop them back into a clone vat, or u jelli
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GATORAN
x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Pao An
Originally by: Juan Sezole NONONONONO
Zulu you did it again.
WE DO NOT WANT MT AT ALL NO ITERATIONS NO DEVELOPMENT
GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD FFS
Quit trying to speak for everyone. I have no problem with Micro transactions for vanity items. So long as they really are micro and not obscenely expensive.
Speak for yourself, I don't particularly mind MT...I just mind MT that gives you an ingame advantage/boost
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Sinnek
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:10:00 -
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seems obvious to me that they cannot simply say yes or no to whether or not there will be any non-vanity items in the nex store, because they want to sell novelty items and ships like i.e the Zephyr and Primae. these have specialized uses in real game play and thus are not "vanity" items, but are not in any way really an advantage as their roles can easily be filled or even bettered by a "normal" ship.
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Dmoney3788
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jiks "there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum."
This is a politicians answer. It does not rule out future plans for gold ammo, or indeed current plans for gold ships/modules/remaps/skillpoints/etc.
There have been literally thousands of posts asking for a simple yes/no to the question "will non-vanity items be sold for aurum?" ... Zulu has carefully not answered that question.
Good CCP are talking to the CSM, bad they are using this as delaying tactic. I heard there were ways of communicating over the internet these days to avoid the need to fly to a simple meeting but I must be getting senile.
Exactly. If CCP had no intention of selling non-vanity items through Aurum, they would have said so as quickly as they denied the Sony merger.
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DarthMopp
Gallente I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: DarthMopp on 26/06/2011 20:12:57 First: This Blog was one quantum leap better than its predecessor! I think thats a common ground we all can start from.
I am willing to give CCP the benefit of doubt for the moment. The only cause why is because you made this unique, brilliant game i enjoyed for roundabout five years now and until Incarna i had at least the feeling that you might know what you are actually doing. That trust was deeply distressed by Incarna, the Newsletter and the leaked E-Mail. Nevertheless I am actually willing to listen to what you have to say because i am still refusing to believe that CCP is willing to slap their very own, faithful community.
So, speak up and let actions follow accordingly. Be honest and stay to your words. Remember: If one stakeholder is leaving, the other two cannot provide the stability for your company anymore.
Ps.: I know its an old saying, and i guess everyone heard it from his parents before (as i was telling my children the same) but i think it fits with all that MT-Madness in the Gaming industry:
"If everyone is jumping from the bridge, then you are going to do the same?"
"Alea iacta est"
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Buffy McChestyChest
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:11:00 -
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you have lost credibilty and my respect. I am closing my extra accounts, and will close this one if i see no changes by the July 1st meeeting.
You have made a terrible error in judgement, and have chosen a terrible decision, and may have destroyed your game permanetly
I would ask for your money back from your hired consultants, they have failed you miserably, and now you are suffering the consequences
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Ubumble
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:11:00 -
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Time to calm down, perhaps?
This is how it works: - they screwed up, and yes, destroyed a lot of trust - a lot of the community protested and they reacted badly - now they seem truly worried and have started taking steps - we wait, see what they do and take appropriate steps
If you like the game, you'll be hoping that CCP reacts well from this point.
Let's be optimistic and very vigilant.
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Dibble Dabble
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: RougeOperator They way he wrote no gold ammo does little in the way of taking MTs off the table for real goods.
He is being a sneaky using literal language to parse his way out of this.
Later on when they sell ammo, he can say, But its not gold ammo right guys? TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Or maybe its a remap, or more slots to store corp fits, or training boosters.
No guys Ranger 1 says it explains everything and you're being foolish and manipulated. Why can't you see the wisdom in his words?
Seriously, dev blog couldn't have been more clear. He wasn't in any way beating around the bush. Why are u so easily manipulated?
Glad you have gone, a little less lag to worry about and i guess your not up adapting to change. Like so many other lemmings Eve will be a better place without you.
I want to see MT in all its gory glory.
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:11:00 -
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This blog is a promising but much-delayed first step. The events of the past few days have left me feeling skeptical of the entire situation, since the May Summit itself went peachy, yet then these issues with the NeX prices cropped up, undiscussed, out of nowhere - not to mention the Hilmar mail, Greed is Good, et cetera.
Mark me down on the 'actions not words' end of the scale - In Reykjavik, I'm going to want to see exactly how the NeX prices were decided upon, how they were drafted, and which suits where were behind this nonsense - and who chose to not mention this to the CSM. Perhaps most important is understanding the degree of financial motivation behind this, and why it came from CCP like a bolt from the blue, and thus how likely similar bolts from the blue might be in the future.
I don't have much more to say beyond what I've already said on Eve Radio and in my CEO Update, which is crossposted on Kugu and Failheap.
We'll see how Reykjavik goes.
The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster
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Alexandra Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:12:00 -
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Nice, can't edit my post, anyway, as I was about to say, I forgot to add something, the thing that ****es me the most, is the fact that I'm treated as someone who doesn't know what he wants, granted sometimes one does tend to have opinions and wishes that are selfish and don't fit a community as a whole, but, you don't say that, ever, even in an internal newsletter (which was said to be out of context, you could release the whole newsletters to make it in context, that is, if it won't make the issue worse), and that hurt me, so much that it will be quite hard for you (CCP) to make me change my mind.
Best regards.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:12:00 -
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Please CSM, tell them we would also like CQ to be optional as promised.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Shemmy
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sha Dar NOW you want to listen to the CSM...
LOL
Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
These, pretty much.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Pao An
Originally by: Juan Sezole NONONONONO
Zulu you did it again.
WE DO NOT WANT MT AT ALL NO ITERATIONS NO DEVELOPMENT
GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD FFS
Quit trying to speak for everyone. I have no problem with Micro transactions for vanity items. So long as they really are micro and not obscenely expensive.
Maybe but I've not actually seen a Rnager 1 post that you describe.
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GATORAN
x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Morphisat Guys guys, the CSM thing is just a PR stunt. A press release will go to all gaming media saying that the discussions were fruitful.
CCP is commited to Incarna and the cash shop. This doesn't mean they'll start selling non-vanity items tomorrow, but they might at some point in the future.
Guys guys, the CSM thing is not a PR stunt. A press release will go to all gaming media saying that the discussions were fruitful.
CCP is not committed to Incarna and the cash shop. This means they won't start selling non-vanity items tomorrow, and never will at any point in the future.
see how easy that was?
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Dalketh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Dalketh
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel We're reading you, be sure we're going to carry your words to CCP.
My stance on the issue in more words is here. Be SURE to contact your CSM members and let them know, we WILL read your mail.
Good read, however you admit that you see the 'face to face' meeting with them possibly a waste of a week or more time...
("Either way, we've been summoned to Iceland on very short notice. Frankly I don't see the point, we could convey mostly the same thing with the skype conversations we've been having non-stop")
Why not bring that up to CCP and your fellow CSM members and save us all a big delay (even if that is CCP's goal)?
Done and done. There's advantages to having face to face meetings, depending on who has to participate, and it's frankly a looot faster and denser than typing words and waiting for people to answer. So it's more efficient.
It all depends on how the conversation goes, but we'll see.
Typing? I was talking about voice Skype? Yes I can see there could be some advantage to face to face, but does that outweigh this dragging on for weeks more when many people already see it as a CCP delay tactic?
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Lirael Dyrim
Gallente In Bacon We Trust
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shemmy
Originally by: Sha Dar NOW you want to listen to the CSM...
LOL
Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
These, pretty much.
QFT.
"Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious." |
MC187
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: MC187
so which is it?
Gentlemen, we already knew that Soundwave was requested by CCP to write his article from a Gordon Gekko point of view.
We already knew that the points list in the Fearless edition were put in purposefully to provoke discussion and reinforce where the implementation of MT could go wrong if greed overtook reason.
We already knew that the copy that was originally leaked had been edited, and taken completely out of context.
You simply chose not to hear it.
And yet you keep referring to it as "proof" that they have a plan in place to do so, despite a direct refutation.
You, the EVE Online community, have been massively trolled.
And you couldn't have made it easier.
you caught me before i finished editing. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540116&page=15#442
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Nope, just smarter and more mature than you.
Don't you have a rage quit to attend to...
While you're out white knighting on your horse, consider at one time MTs were never on the table.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 -
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A clear seperation and clarification of how Dust/ EVE link will work /counteract pay to win players.
Seperate the WOD game more clearly from this discussion by acknowleding it and placing it clearly seperate but still talked about in CCP publications.
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Shemmy
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ubumble If you like the game, you'll be hoping that CCP reacts well from this point.
Yes, and if you've been here a while, you'll be expecting ... not a lot, to be honest.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Canuk EroSennin Good lord almighty people! Listen to yourselves....CCP Zulu has heard your whining and *****ing and is going to call a meeting of the CSM (your representitives in eve voted in by you) and the CCP staff to discuss the future of eve, what you are all *****ing NON STOP about, and how to address the current problems facing eve to everyones benefit.
Hilmar himself explained that CCP will watch out to our actions and not care so much about what we say at this time, because they already knew what we would say. And he said they will stay the course and change the world. Again!
Are you calling him a liar now? I think that's not fair - This man obviously cares about us a great deal!
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Marhaba
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 -
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By the way, I consider the Scorpion battleship you guys were talking about selling to be "gold ammo."
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 -
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Trust? You can't be serious.
I lost trust in CCP's ability to deliver anything with some measure of quality (in both execution and design) with the Dominion patch.
Over the past three months, CCP has either ****ed up in executing initiatives or actively taken steps to reduce the playability and enjoyment of the game in my experience.
Forget the NEX / AUR nonsense (though, CCP is managing things terribly and Hilmar is a complete ass). That's just background noise for me. What about all of the buggy crap that you guys have introduced recently? What about Null-sec changes w/barely an ounce of warning? And what about the 50 server-side fittings?
tl;dr - Trust is gone due to consistently poor service and product delivery over the past 18 months.
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Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 -
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Thanks for the blog, it might calm the lynch mob down a bit.
However
1) It was still put in words that leave some room to speculate. No gold ammo could mean no items of power whatsoever or it could mean literally that, no ammo but something else that will break the sandbox. How about gold ships? Weapons? Blueprints? Could it mean no items but generic improved performance like extra fitting slots? These might work on other games but when you have a competetive game with consequences magicking stuff from outside just breaks the foundation of the sandbox. BTW you might want to refer to this thread if you need to see the opinion of the community (the vote count is from page 25 or so but the spread of votes follow the general notion of it).
2) Furthermore I'm concerned about the developement of EvE. From the material made available it sounded like EvE gets just minor developement resources and most of our subscription money gets redirected to Dust and WoD. This wouldn't be a problem if the last three expansions would have added more to the space part of the game, or at least had fixed some of the old problems. Instead we got a clickfest in preparation of Dust, Incursions (which are actually pretty neat but limited) with some tweaking of the planetary clickfest and now after several years of waiting a small room with a dress-up shop. Of course we understand that these are works in progress for something greater but one cannot think that you are ignoring the main gameplay that drew the players to this game in the first place.
I understand you cannot answer these before consulting the CSM (which might be the best solution) but they are up here for reading. Hopefully it's of some use for evaluating the current problem. (Note that I didn't touch the MT store pricing or mandatory CQ, these are more important IMO.)
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:16:00 -
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To the CSM:
First off, thank you guys for those replies in this thread which do a hell of a lot more then Zulu's blog.
Here is the issue that I would like you to comment on:
At your last meeting with CCP, Zymurgist tried to sneak a Scorpion into the Nex shop, but as I understand you guys told him in no uncertain terms that that was unacceptable.
He then took you all out to dinner, got you all drunk, and then over the course of several hours whittled away at you until he seemed to have an agreement to release the Cash-for-Scorpion for one week only (Oh really???.)
And so along he arrives with his Nex shop, complete with the Cash-for-Scorpion, and all with the blessing of the CSM.
THIS is how I see CCP's strategy for your meeting next week working.
Question is: Would it be possible for you all too please abstain from alcohol and/ or drugs and/or hookers for the duration of your stay in Iceland?
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel Done and done. There's advantages to having face to face meetings, depending on who has to participate, and it's frankly a looot faster and denser than typing words and waiting for people to answer. So it's more efficient.
It all depends on how the conversation goes, but we'll see.
What would be extremely efficient is a Devblog unequivocally stating that there will never be non-vanity items for sale.
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Adellle Nadair
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:17:00 -
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Thank you CCP for continuing to provide open communication about Eve.
Contrary to most of the flamer responses, I am happy to hear about an internal newsletter that's purpose is to inspire debate and critical thought. This further highlights your commitment to being an intelligent, leading gaming company.
Keep up the great work. I can't wait to see how you will expand and enrich the Eve Universe next.
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Sax Delphinus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:17:00 -
[600]
This is good enough that I'll stop shooting up Jita. I have to be picky though and agree that until I get a clear "There will never be non-vanity items, period", I won't be re-subbing. Hopefully this CSM meeting will bring the clarity we want.
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