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Glyken Touchon Gallente Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:59:00 - [541] Thanks for the blog Zulu, but it won't change my opinions until I see the results. Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 26/06/2011 19:30:31 Originally by: Consortium Agent Will you be selling non-vanity items in the MT store? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540116&page=9#252 The CSMs and the developers are on the same page, since the term "gold ammo" has the origin from World of Tanks. As that link states, it means any tangible improvement, from ships to ammo. I will continue to post this for those who are so far beyond rationality and intellectual maturity that they couldn't read their way out of the alphabet. What you are linking is Trebor's post. People want to hear it from the horse's mouth, and here's why: Originally by: Kith Kanann Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Originally by: Weaselior This sentence is a nightmare, please confirm what it means is "there will not be any 'gold ammo', i.e. non-vanity 'micro' transactions". When CSM was asked for input on the devblog, I was concerned about this wording. Here is the alternate wording that I suggested, which I believe expresses the essence of CCP Zulu's intent: However, I want to make one thing absolutely clear. Despite the impression given by the "point-counterpoint" debate that appeared in the Fearless newsletter, there have never at any time been any plans to sell "gold ammo" or any other game-affecting goods for Aurum. And yet it didn't make it into the blog... Trebor suggested alternative wording that would remove ambiguity, and the change was REJECTED. Ask yourself why removing ambiguity in this case would be bad? Now for some serious tinfoil hattery. CCP could keep doing this every 12 months or so to judge the opinion of the playerbase. As soon as there isn't a response like this, non-vanity is in-game. I don't actually think CCP is going this route, but if this issue crops up again, then I will. ______ Tippia's analysis of NEX/Incarna
Siiee Recycled Heroes	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:00:00 - [542] Your careful wording of "were and are no plans" reminds me of the exact same wording used one year ago when the line was there are no plans for MT at all. Present and past but no commitment to the future, which is what we are really concerned with here. The fact that you can not simply tell us what we are looking for tells me that you're just trying to find a way to tell us the answer we /don't/ want to hear in a way that will not enrage us further. The tone however feels refreshing and honest, and while it doesn't restore any of my trust in CCP I do appreciate it.
Tridik Caldari Spricer Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:00:00 - [543] Originally by: lceman Edited by: lceman on 26/06/2011 19:46:11 what worries me is the shift in ccp policy, and their enapt to confirm what they will be selling in the shop or give word of what they will not be selling, as long time fan (2003) and player i'm worried they will one day start selling premium bpo's in their shop, why not it will make them money why not a 10 run zealot blueprint me 0 pe 0 or maybe originals, there is truely nothing that will prevent them for selling anything in that shop for a price. i spent close to 9 years in this game and have nice collection of t2 bpo's. this has been through hard work, not cause i'm rich in real life, cause face it i'm not cause i've spent 9 years playing this maybe "soon to be stupid *** game"*. This is literally one of the most important dudes in the T2 Production community, CCP. You could effectively DESTROY your much tauted "Player-Run Economy". As far as no more releases until CSM meeting. Sorry, your stalling is not good enough. Your wording is nebulous at BEST, and once again your reply is inappropriate. We feel no kinship or loyalty to you, why should we?
DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:00:00 - [544] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel We're reading you, be sure we're going to carry your words to CCP. My stance on the issue in more words is here. Be SURE to contact your CSM members and let them know, we WILL read your mail. You and all the CSM delegates should know one thing: if CCP ever breaches it's promise of non-vanity items ever being introduced in the game you all are honor bound by the positions you gained at least partly from the trust of your fellow pod pilots to avoid any NDAs and spread the news, this goes beyond one person, this affects hundreds of thousands of people some of which love this game, Hell I've grown up with this game, I've been playing it since 15 and it's one of the few games that's stuck with me (only MMO), protect it for us guys and if you cannot at least warn us to protect ourselves from the coming storm.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:00:00 - [545] Originally by: Ranger 1 Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum See you later, oh easily manipulated one. Pot: "Hey kettle. U R Black." --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:00:00 - [546] Originally by: Amber Villaneous Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel We're reading you, be sure we're going to carry your words to CCP. My stance on the issue in more words is here. Be SURE to contact your CSM members and let them know, we WILL read your mail. You are a sell-out and a joke if you go to this "Emergency" meeting prior to CCP stating that there will never be non-vanity items sold. Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum Pack your bags. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Gedid Tava Gallente The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:01:00 - [547] As someone who knows the horizon broadening power of a devil's advocate discussion, I have little doubt that the leaked doc is not a reflection of CCP's actual practices. However... My wife did bring up a fairly amusing point. This game is full of ruthless, metagaming, scheming, cruel, backstabbing, greedy bastards who will steal every last dime from their "friends" the very second the payout is large enough. Now that CCP is being accused of milking cash, even if it is for vanity only items, people flip out about what a heart wrenching betrayal it is. If nothing else, they're learning from their player base. The wife doesn't play but she summed it up perfectly. "Welcome to EVE."
Akiriy Azuriko	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:01:00 - [548] CCP need to stop worrying about MT stuff and step back and have a think why there not getting enough subscribers. MT wont fix the " financial Crisis " CCP must be in to even suggest such a idiotic idea, why even contemplate the notion. all its going to do is cause rage and loss thousands of subscribers, who will tell all there mates not to play eve because its turning fail, didn't realize CCP were such scum, ready to **** of thousands to get a quick buck. Poor form gentlemen, very poor form indeed.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:01:00 - [549] Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 20:01:46 They way he wrote no gold ammo does little in the way of taking MTs off the table for in game boosts and goods. He is being a sneaky using literal language to parse his way out of this. Later on when they sell ammo, he can say, But its not gold ammo right guys? TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOL Or maybe its a remap, or more slots to store corp fits, or training boosters.
Mercedes Lola	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:02:00 - [550] The parley words brought from players:Do not want at all! words brought from ccp:we sorwy was a leak + yada yada csm+ no this 1 item wont come actions from player's:unsub'ing actions from ccp: still pending for u to fill a blank there
Livinia Koi Wrecking Shots Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:02:00 - [551] Well, I guess it's a start. Nice delaying tactic with the CSM, though. And nice use of vague "gold ammo" comment. I don't trust you. I hope you actually listen to the CSM this time around. A couple of months ago, I was excited for the future of EVE. Now, I doubt I will still be playing in 6 months. I hope you pull your s* together. EVE is the greatest game I have ever played, but CCP seems hell-bent on f*ing it up. I hope this has finally taught you to listen.
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:02:00 - [552] Originally by: Ghoest I'll watch what you do, not what you say. ________________
Alexandra Alt	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:02:00 - [553] I didn't unsub before this blog post, but, I just did now, I am against everything everyone has been protesting yes, but, well, I was waiting for more news and more info regarding this issue. This post was not rly what I was expecting, you guys need to understand average EvE players aren't really 10 years old, and reading a damage control response, vague one also, getting the CSM's on the middle of the arguement as a probable means to be used as a scape goat just made me unsub as it clearly shows how not to handle mature costumers. MT's are bad.... specially in a subscription based game (I wouldn't tolerate it if it would get free anyway) THe only way my subscription will be renewed will be when I have a firm agreement signed and with colateral for no fullfilment that there will be no non-vanity items in the MT store. Best regards.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:03:00 - [554] Originally by: RougeOperator They way he wrote no gold ammo does little in the way of taking MTs off the table for real goods. He is being a sneaky using literal language to parse his way out of this. Later on when they sell ammo, he can say, But its not gold ammo right guys? TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOL Or maybe its a remap, or more slots to store corp fits, or training boosters. No guys Ranger 1 says it explains everything and you're being foolish and manipulated. Why can't you see the wisdom in his words? Seriously, dev blog couldn't have been more clear. He wasn't in any way beating around the bush. Why are u so easily manipulated? --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:03:00 - [555] Originally by: Onnen Mentar I am very relieved to see CCP realize how important it is to trust. I nearly fell off my seat laughing when I read that.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:03:00 - [556] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Ranger 1 Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum See you later, oh easily manipulated one. Pot: "Hey kettle. U R Black." Nope, just smarter and more mature than you. Don't you have a rage quit to attend to... ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Rho Nerys	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:03:00 - [557] CCP Zulu wrote: we need to strengthen the deep mutual trust and respect that's been so unique and descriptive of our relationship. strengthen what you just threw to pieces? Good luck!
Chernitski	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:03:00 - [558] Originally by: Gedid Tava As someone who knows the horizon broadening power of a devil's advocate discussion, I have little doubt that the leaked doc is not a reflection of CCP's actual practices. However... My wife did bring up a fairly amusing point. This game is full of ruthless, metagaming, scheming, cruel, backstabbing, greedy bastards who will steal every last dime from their "friends" the very second the payout is large enough. Now that CCP is being accused of milking cash, even if it is for vanity only items, people flip out about what a heart wrenching betrayal it is. If nothing else, they're learning from their player base. The wife doesn't play but she summed it up perfectly. "Welcome to EVE." +1
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:04:00 - [559] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: RougeOperator They way he wrote no gold ammo does little in the way of taking MTs off the table for real goods. He is being a sneaky using literal language to parse his way out of this. Later on when they sell ammo, he can say, But its not gold ammo right guys? TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOL Or maybe its a remap, or more slots to store corp fits, or training boosters. No guys Ranger 1 says it explains everything and you're being foolish and manipulated. Why can't you see the wisdom in his words? Seriously, dev blog couldn't have been more clear. He wasn't in any way beating around the bush. Why are u so easily manipulated? No i refuse to be manipulated is what it comes down to. I read everything they say as if they are a lawyer of djinn trying to put one over on me. I assume its like a monkeys paw wish scenario at this point.
Darius Sokarad	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:04:00 - [560] UNSUBSCRIBED Originally by: Dibble Dabble Please quit. You want be missed. Some like MT, some dont, shame your a dumb fool who cant understand that MT is optional. Now go, quit and dont come back. I had reserved taking action on the issues at hand because I wanted to see what CCP's response would be. I am sorely disappointed in what I have seen. Doublespeak and astroturfing are not the way to win back the trust of your customer base. We as players need to stop thinking of ourselves as a "player" base and start thinking of ourselves as a "customer" base. When I have felt less than satisfied with someone I do business with, I approach them and try to work things out. I understand that as a business, CCP needs to make money and a reasonable amount of growth is to be expected, but this most recent behavior is unacceptable and I am afraid that unless more drastic remedies are undertaken I will have to take my business elsewhere. Personally I think that CCP Zulu should not be in a position to interact with customers, and this most despicable practice of astroturfing needs to come to an immediate halt. UNSUBSCRIBED, but I do retain some faint hope that my trust will be restored and I will continue to do business with what was once a most enjoyable partnership. If CCP needs money so badly, I will be happy to pay double my current subscription fees if it means and end to this foolishness.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:05:00 - [561] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Ranger 1 Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum See you later, oh easily manipulated one. Pot: "Hey kettle. U R Black." Nope, just smarter and more mature than you. Don't you have a rage quit to attend to... You're so smart and mature. Your comments couldn't just as easily apply to you as those you condemn. I'm resubbing now and calling all my friends so they do the same. Thanks for bringing us into the light. We were all being so silly about this. You are in no way dumb. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:05:00 - [562] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Yeah MT for nonvanity items won't completely destroy the market right? Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum Obtuse much? He's not arguing the blog ù he's arguing that the viewpoint of "MT is optional" is insanely narrowminded and completely ignores the impact MT can have on a market such as EVE's. àalso, there is a large amount of room for evasion between "gold ammo" and "non-vanity items", so he'd have a point regardless. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Vincentus	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:05:00 - [563] Oh and in the meantime, please fix CQ so we have the old hangar back instead of a door
Dmoney3788 Black Aces Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:06:00 - [564] Saying sorry after every time you punch someone in the face starts to lose its meaning until you stop punching them in the face.
Dalketh	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:07:00 - [565] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel We're reading you, be sure we're going to carry your words to CCP. My stance on the issue in more words is here. Be SURE to contact your CSM members and let them know, we WILL read your mail. Good read, however you admit that you see the 'face to face' meeting with them possibly a waste of a week or more time... ("Either way, we've been summoned to Iceland on very short notice. Frankly I don't see the point, we could convey mostly the same thing with the skype conversations we've been having non-stop") Why not bring that up to CCP and your fellow CSM members and save us all a big delay (even if that is CCP's goal)?
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:08:00 - [566] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Yeah MT for nonvanity items won't completely destroy the market right? Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum Obtuse much? He's not arguing the blog ù he's arguing that the viewpoint of "MT is optional" is insanely narrowminded and completely ignores the impact MT can have on a market such as EVE's. àalso, there is a large amount of room for evasion between "gold ammo" and "non-vanity items", so he'd have a point regardless. dude don't be immature. Ranger 1 is trying to explain this to us if we would just listen to his smarter more mature viewpoints. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Jiks Caldari Prophets of Doom	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:08:00 - [567] "there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum." This is a politicians answer. It does not rule out future plans for gold ammo, or indeed current plans for gold ships/modules/remaps/skillpoints/etc. There have been literally thousands of posts asking for a simple yes/no to the question "will non-vanity items be sold for aurum?" ... Zulu has carefully not answered that question. Good CCP are talking to the CSM, bad they are using this as delaying tactic. I heard there were ways of communicating over the internet these days to avoid the need to fly to a simple meeting but I must be getting senile.
Pao An	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 - [568] Originally by: Juan Sezole NONONONONO Zulu you did it again. WE DO NOT WANT MT AT ALL NO ITERATIONS NO DEVELOPMENT GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD FFS Quit trying to speak for everyone. I have no problem with Micro transactions for vanity items. So long as they really are micro and not obscenely expensive.
Canuk EroSennin Gallente Public Security Section Nine	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 - [569] Good lord almighty people! Listen to yourselves....CCP Zulu has heard your whining and ***ing and is going to call a meeting of the CSM (your representitives in eve voted in by you) and the CCP staff to discuss the future of eve, what you are all *ing NON STOP about, and how to address the current problems facing eve to everyones benefit. I get it....you dont trust CCP. Nothing you can do about it past ***ing on the forums or unsubbing. I will wait, patiently to see how CCP and CSM resolve this crisis within eve. CCP ZULU CAN NOT JUST THROW OUT WILD PROMISES TO APPEASE YOU, THEY WOULD JUST GET THROWN IN HIS FACE AGAIN AT A LATER DATE SHOULD EVE EVOLVE FURTHER. When the meeting is concluded and all avenues of discussion have been hammered out we will hopefully get a response one way or another. The Fearless newsletter was only a discussion envoking document meant to initiate debates within CCP as to what eve might become if implemeted, and how it would profit CCP and the players. You all just use it in the worst possible context, as if, whats mentioned in it is already a guaranteed fact. It is not. You all ask for an answer to so many questions however you will not get a quick answer that will lock a person into something! CCP doesn't know the entire future of AUR anymore than you all do....maybe some day in the future something will be sold on the AUR market and one quote from Zulu would undermine that entire possibility. I understand your concerns, I have them too, however CCP aren't just players who have no accountability....they have a responsibility to not just think about eve as it is now (like you all do) but to see what the future of eve could/should be and making off the collar appeasing comments will not be in eves best interests. The problems must be discussed by multiple individuals of different viewpoints until the final decision is revealed. Until then just do whatever you have to do...unsub, keep playing or sit there waiting for your mother to pop her tit back in your mouth. Keep the pressure on but don't get carried away by fear. There is nothing to fear except fear itself.
Meissa Anunthiel	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 - [570] Originally by: Dalketh Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel We're reading you, be sure we're going to carry your words to CCP. My stance on the issue in more words is here. Be SURE to contact your CSM members and let them know, we WILL read your mail. Good read, however you admit that you see the 'face to face' meeting with them possibly a waste of a week or more time... ("Either way, we've been summoned to Iceland on very short notice. Frankly I don't see the point, we could convey mostly the same thing with the skype conversations we've been having non-stop") Why not bring that up to CCP and your fellow CSM members and save us all a big delay (even if that is CCP's goal)? Done and done. There's advantages to having face to face meetings, depending on who has to participate, and it's frankly a looot faster and denser than typing words and waiting for people to answer. So it's more efficient. It all depends on how the conversation goes, but we'll see. ----- Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6

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